Taylor Swift - reputation (Nov 10)

[born]

Nov 6, 2017 13:38:44 GMT -5 schnetzka said:

Can we at least get the track lengths. Something. Anything.

I'm curious to see the rest of the track lengths because the FOUR songs we got so far are basically the same, the shortest song is 3:23 and the longest one is 3:31 lol... Only 8 seconds apart.

[Ivy Leegue™]

Oooh...look what you made me do. I did something bad and this is why we can't have nice things LOLOLOL OMG she is out of control.

I'm most likely going to buy one of those magazine bundles (which is already $20 as is). Let the crazy, poor stans rack up credit card debt trying to "help" someone buy a table to put in one of her mansions.

[deepston]

Nov 6, 2017 14:15:31 GMT -5 Exclusive said:

4) This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things
13) I Did Something Bad

These titles make me cringe. I hope none of the hooks are like LWYMMD and non-polarizing. But everything else looks fine imo. Can't wait!

I actually think "This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things" is my favorite title xD

[born]

Same. Or probably the only one that I love. Others would be "...Ready For It?", "End Game" and "Look What You Made Me Do".

[Ivy Leegue™]

Hopefully, This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things is her Democrat-coming out anthem, where she officially denounces Trump and shuts up all those haters that thinks she stumps for Trump!

[Glove Slap]

Nov 6, 2017 15:30:23 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

Hopefully, This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things is her Democrat-coming out anthem, where she officially denounces Trump and shuts up all those haters that thinks she stumps for Trump!

But you know it's going to be about people hating on her staged 4th of July pics .

[Ivy Leegue™]

Nov 6, 2017 15:33:27 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Nov 6, 2017 15:30:23 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

Hopefully, This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things is her Democrat-coming out anthem, where she officially denounces Trump and shuts up all those haters that thinks she stumps for Trump!

But you know it's going to be about people hating on her staged 4th of July pics .

[👑 Eloquent ™]

People are idiotic with their assumptions about Taylor being pro-Trump and their disgusting tendency to associate her with words like "aryian" knowing good and well their hate-filled connotations (drums up images of KKK etc). Taylor isn't a political figure and doesn't have to speak out on political matters. Most artists for as long as I can remember just keep their personal political beliefs to themselves. Just because she speaks out on certain issues doesn't mean she is required to speak out on every issue.

[deepston]

Totally agree with this! ^

[Bwol]

Nov 6, 2017 17:41:08 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

People are idiotic with their assumptions about Taylor being pro-Trump and their disgusting tendency to associate her with words like "aryian" knowing good and well their hate-filled connotations (drums up images of KKK etc). Taylor isn't a political figure and doesn't have to speak out on political matters. Most artists for as long as I can remember just keep their personal political beliefs to themselves. Just because she speaks out on certain issues doesn't mean she is required to speak out on every issue.

OH MY GOSH PREAAAAACHH. The whole Taylor Trump supporter issue is one of those annoying things in this culture that strikes just the wrong nerve for me. I hate it when people want a celebrity to speak out for a certain organization or against Trump. What these people are doing is treating them like some kind of promotion source and not as a person. Idk if that made any sense, but there’s my take on it.

[Grün]

I proudly voted for HRC, but I am not going to condemn people for voting for Trump. Truth be told, I am more angry at the people who didn't vote and the Bernie Bros, but that is a different story.

On the topic of Taylor, I seriously doubt she voted for Trump. If I remember correctly, she was an Obama supporter. Although, it would be funny if she didn't vote for Hillary because of Katy Perry haha.

More importantly, if she did vote for Trump then that's okay too. This us vs them scenario isn't helping anyone in this contentious and divisive time. Condemning others and witch hunts aren't going to make states blue. It just feeds into the narrative that democrats are erratic snowflakes.

[deepston]

Now seriously, which artist with the minimal brain mass to function properly would vote for Trump?

[Deleted]

I'm actually happy with all 4 songs this era now, they all have grown tremendously

Look What You Made Me Do: The best of the 4, it's polarizing but in a way that make sme actually really like it, the music video was also amazing eye candy and executed perfectly
Ready For It: I really like the pacing and production on this one, it's a very action packed song and it's fun. The Music video was also eye candy but not as great as LWYMMD, though still good.
Gorgeous: Least favorite of the 4 but it has grown so much one to where I randomly sing it now, it actually works despite what I thought of it at first.
Call It What You Want: This doesn't have a strong initial hook on it when you first listen to it but it's sound and lyrics just grab you and your pulled into this one imo, I really like this, it feels like a sister track to 1989

My level of album hype is still tremendous given it's only 4 days away and there are likely surprises to await with the 11 tracks we have yet to hear

[Deleted]

Isn't Karlie Kloss dating Jared Kushner's brother? I always imagined that's why Taylor never spoke out against Trump --

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how this album does. It'll obviously have a huge opening week, but with no single smashing at the moment it'll likely have a very steep decline 2nd week.

I just hope some of the other songs live up to the quality of her previous album. So far I'm only partially sold on 2 out of the 4 songs.

[Juanca]

Checked news on whatever default website appears in my work laptop, and the first article I see is:
usat.ly/2hN59LB

[Grün]

Nov 6, 2017 23:26:52 GMT -5 Juanca said:

Checked news on whatever default website appears in my work laptop, and the first article I see is:
usat.ly/2hN59LB

........ I hate these "writers" that say inflammatory,hateful things. It is no surprise, I would sue too.

Just because she didn't vocally support a candidate, you can't liken her Adolf Hitler and the alt-right.

[Glove Slap]

www.aclunc.org/docs/Swift_letter_final.pdf

"Criticism is never pleasant, but a celebrity has to shake it off,
even if the critique may damage her reputation."

Probably the most scathing thing I can recall since that article called Rihanna a "full-time footwear designer and part-time singer" two years ago.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

If that isn't the most laughably ridiculous article I have ever read. So, basically, a few white supremacists have latched onto Taylor and "Look What You Made Me Do", essentially twisting and misrepresenting the actual narrative of the song and utilizing it and her for their own hate-filled agenda. This has absolutely nothing to do with Taylor herself. She obviously can't help that she is white and has no control over insufferable racist morons latching onto and grossly miusing her material. She can however react to how recognized publications use her name. Saying her lyrics speak to racial hierarchy and the KKK, as well as likening her to Adolf Hitler is as ridiculous as it is malicious. I don't blame her for suing. I would sue their f**king pants off for their unjustified attemted asinine character assassination.

[deepston]

[toomuchboy]

Nov 6, 2017 17:41:08 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

People are idiotic with their assumptions about Taylor being pro-Trump and their disgusting tendency to associate her with words like "aryian" knowing good and well their hate-filled connotations (drums up images of KKK etc). Taylor isn't a political figure and doesn't have to speak out on political matters. Most artists for as long as I can remember just keep their personal political beliefs to themselves. Just because she speaks out on certain issues doesn't mean she is required to speak out on every issue.

I don’t think most people expect her to come out and comment on Trump, Hillary, BLM, etc. What they do expect is for an artist to denounce white supremacists using their lyrics. And that’s not expecting too much. Especially from someone who sues over any other damn thing, it's glaring and disgusting and I have no sympathy for her getting raked over the coals.

[Glove Slap]

I've always disliked the "stan" effect, and that it's been turned into some kind of positive, but it's especially unfortunate in a case like this.

It's not about supporting a certain candidate, or that an extremist concentration is using and co opting her lyrics to serve their agenda. It's that she is staying silent on it. It's not that someone is saying that her lyrics speak to white supremacists, it's that they have re-interpreted them for their own needs and she is staying silent on it. If she can respond to how publications can use her name, why not speak up against Breitbart? This when she's had no problem speaking up during far less intense topics in the past. Against whatever criticism she faced, Taylor always chose to be vocal on what she believed in. She even chose to title an album she wrote by herself as Speak Now, which is hilariously ironic in retrospect now. No, she doesn't have to speak up on every topic, but the fact is that the very topics that she has championed are under attack by the same people. 

She doesn't have to speak up in a directly political way, but these same people who are co-opting her lyrics helped send a man who promised to not turn his back on the LGBT community, and then went back on his word in a big way by stripping Transgender Americans of their right to serve their country in the Military into the White House. A man who has been accused of sexual assault and boasted about it being ok to sexually assault women. This makes it even worse when you take into account that Taylor just had a case where she was on the receiving end of that. And no, a financial donation does not excuse silence for someone like her. He also chose a man with a record of anti-female and anti-LGBT policy as his VP, and then joking that he wants all LGBT people dead. Parts of her fanbase that don't have the power and voice that she does are being very affected by it.

She would be nowhere near the first artist to publicly reject the use and citation of her work by an extremist group. Artists have long spoken out when their music was used for political purposes that they were not ok with, and they were rarely as extreme as the ones who have done so with her music. Additionally, not only is she not speaking up, but she's trying to suppress anyone trying to point that out, and on top of that, trying to keep that from getting out.

Given all this, I don't think it's odd in the slightest that it might elicit at least an eyebrow raise from an onlooker. She's already massive. She won't lose her fame, she won't be kicked out of the stadiums she is filling. She's already been polarizing for ages, so that wouldn't be anything new.

So we are left the question of what exactly does she have to lose? Well, one possible answer might be market share. That thing that the stans love to boast so much about and hold above all else. How could it possibly be wrong if it keeps the numbers up? What could possibly be more important?

However, if that is the reason why, given the things this administration has done and is doing, it's especially unfortunate and disappointing from her part, because it goes against everything she has championed and built her name on.

Her last tour began with a video of her professing her admiration of Madonna and calling her one of her idols. Well Madonna wasn't afraid to go against the grain, and not in a "well I'll write about you and if you hate on me you're not a feminist lololol" way. She surrounded herself with Gay men a time when AIDS stigma was still very heavily attached to association with any kind of non-heterosexual group. She took part in AIDS charities and fundraisers when people still thought it could be transmitted through skin contact. When this led to rumors that she herself might have been HIV positive, she used that and her massive celebrity to shine light on the stigma that individuals with HIV faced. She knew that it was cutting into her potential record sales, and still forged forward. She knew that power and a voice is to be used when the things you care about are under attack, and faced the consequences head on. That sort of bravery and steadfastness is massively different from anything Taylor has showed recently, and against what she has built up.

She has built herself up as a powerful voice, and just at the precise moment when for the first time in her career, that type of voice is needed more than ever, especially against people who are going as far as to use her work and image for their own benefit to push an agenda harmful to the same people that have supported Taylor and who she presented herself as a friend of, she's staying silent. People have every right to point that out. And no amount of stan logic or complaining is going to change that. 

[deepston]

New video from her youtube account.
That girl saying it felt like she was her best friend... gaaah...

[MilesW1998]

Nov 7, 2017 8:41:33 GMT -5 deepston said:

New video from her youtube account.
That girl saying it felt like she was her best friend... gaaah...

Was literally about to post this, but you beat me to it. 
It should be interesting to see what other fans who weren't in the Secret Sessions will think of the album when it's released. 

[Glove Slap]

That video is nearly identical to the one that was done for the last album, it says pretty much nothing about the actual album. It's great that she does this, but die-hards are always the least reliable and objective for every single artist.

[deepston]

Nov 7, 2017 8:49:28 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

That video is nearly identical to the one that was done for the last album, it says pretty much nothing about the actual album. It's great that she does this, but die-hards are always the least reliable and objective for every single artist.

It still sounds like they had a blast and had me hyped up!

[MilesW1998]

Nah, the video did nothing for me. Still planning to buy the album on Friday regardless.

[Taylor.]

Didn't the first critic reviews of 1989 come out a few days before the release? I'm ready.

EDIT: Yeah, NY Times reviewed it on Oct. 23 (it came out on Oct. 27).

[Ivy Leegue™]

Glove Slap is, once again, the voice of reason. Taylor is basically Beyonce before she became #woke: staying silent to protect her brand and her financial interests until that no longer becomes an option. Technically, we are already past the point of it no longer being an option, which is why people are frustrated at Taylor's silence. Of course, stans (who, by definition, are irrational and incapable of logical thought) don't and won't care about any of this.

Either way, I am still interested in the album, particularly the tone and sonics of the songs we haven't heard. I want something more than 80's electropop minimalism from her. We got it, to an extent, with the recent song, but I'mma need more.

[Dylan :)]

The video looked great as the fans looked like they had a lot of fun, but I wouldn’t take it as a review of the album. Their reviews after aren’t good as it is (see: Gorgeous), let alone when they are in Taylor’s (or any artist’s) house after being invited and being recorded by her people

[gbaby]

I had thought the album was out on 11/27 for some reason, but seeing 11/10 on this thread just made me all types of giddy!

Anyway, as for the press stuff, I personally dgaf. I think Taylor is at the point in her career where anything she does - or doesn't do - is going to be scrutinized and she is going to be torn apart for it. It doesn't move me. I scroll through Buzzfeed every few days, and there are always at least 4 or 5 articles about Taylor, half saying someone slammed her, the other talking about how her fans are freaking out. Eh. I like the music, I like the branding, I'm here for it. The rest of it can eat a...schnitzel.