Billboard Hot 100: 04/01/2017

[Gary]

A classic song according to the dictionary is a song that is very good and has had a lot of influence for a long time.

Just an opinion but to me "a long time" is something a bit longer than 32 weeks.

[Au$tin]

Mar 20, 2017 23:36:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

A classic song according to the dictionary is a song that is very good and has had a lot of influence for a long time.

Just an opinion but to me "a long time" is something a bit longer than 32 weeks.

While I get your point, "classic song" is not in the dictionary.

"Classic" is, however, and is defined as one of the following:
serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value
traditional, enduring
characterized by simple tailored lines in fashion year after year
of or relating to the ancient Greeks and Romans or their culture
historically memorable
noted because of special literary or historical associations
authentic, authoritative
typical
of or relating to the period of highest development of Mesoamerican and especially Mayan culture about a.d. 300–900

None of which actually mention a specific amount of time needed to be called a classic.

"Closer" is definitely a classic, though, because it for sure relates to the period of highest development of Mesoamerican and especially Mayan culture about a.d. 300-900. When Halsey croons about that tattoo on your shoulder, it really resonates with the Mayan way of life.

That being said, "Don't Wanna Know" is also a classic! It's very typical. Classic modern Maroon 5! :kii:

[Deleted]

I define classic in simpler terms. See Mariah Carey circa 1990s (skip Rainbow) and then jump to 2005. Classic pen. Classic voice. Classic albums. Classic ghetto trash rappers even! She even makes urban music sound classic to every hue of human.

[MilesW1998]

Mar 20, 2017 22:52:55 GMT -5 portermerrill said:

Mar 20, 2017 22:48:58 GMT -5 inverse said:

If any song from the 2010's could be labeled a classic I'd say it's Closer. That or Rolling In The Deep, those two just had a stranglehold on culture during their peaks and are both great songs. 

Also not to diverge the thread much I never really was that big of a fan of How Do I Live and I'm not sure why people think it's so great, I like Leann Rimes songs with more focus on interesting melody like I Need You and especially Can't Fight The Moonlight. 

Maybe Uptown Funk! on the list too

I'd definitely say Closer, Rolling In The Deep, and Uptown Funk are modern day classics, probably the most recognizable songs of the entire decade so far are those three tracks.

[Sherane Lamar]

I see Closer has less recognition as a song than any other major (say, top 20 or top 30) 2010's song. Mostly because of how generic it is, and how it specifically does NOT stand out from other Chainsmokers songs, or other EDM pop songs.

I think it's forget-ability actually helped it last as long as it did. I feel like it could be played on the radio every hour and an inattentive listener wouldn't even notice.

Compared to songs like Thrift Shop, Uptown Funk, Sexy and I Know It, Party Rock Anthem, Royals, Blurred Lines, We Are Young, Somebody That I Used To Know, All About That Bass, and others, I think it will be forgotten within the next 12 months. Every one of those songs stands out from other songs of its time period in a very specific way. Closer does the opposite, and blends in. 

I do not think that Closer's exceptional charting success guarantees it to be a classic or guarantees it to be a memorable song, as it is already a very forgettable song.

[Harx]

"Look At Me!" by XXXTentacion slipped down!!! That is promising!

[Sherane Lamar]

And you guys can worship Adele all you want but "stranglehold on the culture"? Hahaha. What a joke. What an insult to 2011. Not that it was that great of a year, but if I was a time traveler from 2011, I would be severely pissed off at you misrepresenting my culture.

I mean, it was a hit song, it went #1 and lasted a good 60 weeks or so on the Hot 100, and it stood out compared to the other songs surrounding it, but a "stranglehold on the culture"???? One of two songs from our DECADE that deserve the title of "classic"?

Come on guys, can you really hate the last 7 years of pop culture so much to say that Rolling in the Deep and Closer are our two classic songs? Completely cringing at this notion.

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 21, 2017 4:14:21 GMT -5 Harx said:

"Look At Me!" by XXXTentacion slipped down!!! That is promising!

Is it a coincidence that a site that worships grandma music and The Chainsmokers also is filled with people who root for innovative trends in music to fail?

It's promising when a guy who makes a type of music that's never been made before starts to slip off. And it's "classic" when cookie cutter production duos spend 32 weeks in the Top 10. 

[Harx]

Are you in bad mood or something?

[Sherane Lamar]

Came here to congratulate 6LACK for finally hitting the Hot 100 as I've heard significant buzz surrounding the artist for the last few months.

But now I realize he should probably GTFO to make room for Adele, The Chainsmokers, Katy Perry, Maroon 5, Flo Rida, Pitbull, Imagine Dragons, DJ Snake, Calvin Harris and OneRepublic.

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 21, 2017 4:28:19 GMT -5 Harx said:

Are you in bad mood or something?

Yeah, it's very annoying to see this type of attitude to be honest. 

[Gary]

Mar 20, 2017 23:50:55 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 20, 2017 23:36:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

A classic song according to the dictionary is a song that is very good and has had a lot of influence for a long time.

Just an opinion but to me "a long time" is something a bit longer than 32 weeks.

While I get your point, "classic song" is not in the dictionary.

"Classic" is, however, and is defined as one of the following:
serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value
traditional, enduring
characterized by simple tailored lines in fashion year after year
of or relating to the ancient Greeks and Romans or their culture
historically memorable
noted because of special literary or historical associations
authentic, authoritative
typical
of or relating to the period of highest development of Mesoamerican and especially Mayan culture about a.d. 300–900

None of which actually mention a specific amount of time needed to be called a classic.

"Closer" is definitely a classic, though, because it for sure relates to the period of highest development of Mesoamerican and especially Mayan culture about a.d. 300-900. When Halsey croons about that tattoo on your shoulder, it really resonates with the Mayan way of life.

That being said, "Don't Wanna Know" is also a classic! It's very typical. Classic modern Maroon 5! :kii:

www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/classic_1


[usually before noun] a classic song, book, play, television programme etc is very good and has been popular and had a lot of influence for a long time

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

A debate about what modern current songs are classics is mostly pointless because it's heavily based on opinion and everyone will feel differently. If this discussion is about what songs will be considered classics in the decades to come, there might be something to talk about but then we won't know until a reasonable amount of time has passed. For me, I would say Closer would be among those songs from the last few years that will be considered a classic. Yeah, it's kind of forgettable in a lot of ways but I think its constant presence for the last 8 or so months penetrated for a lot of people in their memories and experiences, and that's what makes a classic. Both Torn and I Love You Always Forever kind of fit that mould and I'd say both of those qualify as being classic 90s songs (Torn moreso).

There's certainly no limit to how many songs from any particular moment can be considered classics. Some years might have more than others in hindsight.



And Nikki Lee does have a point.

[badrobot]

Wait 10 years and see what songs are featured on a "best of the '10s" compilation and you'll have your answer.

[Gary]

A current hit is no more a classic than an artist charting with their first hit is a one-hit wonder

Both take time

Also a 'classic' label, oftentimes has nothing to do with the initial chart run

[Leo ✔]

Someone can see the chart of this week ??

[Harx]

Mar 21, 2017 7:51:02 GMT -5 Leo ✔ said:

Someone can see the chart of this week ??

www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2017-04-01

[Leo ✔]

Mar 21, 2017 7:52:03 GMT -5 Harx said:

Mar 21, 2017 7:51:02 GMT -5 Leo ✔ said:

Someone can see the chart of this week ??

www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2017-04-01

Damn... I though this week chart is "04/08"
/_u

Thanks !!

[jenglisbe]

Mar 20, 2017 21:25:49 GMT -5 @mirza said:

How Do I Live & Closer achieving the same feat, though one is clearly way superior to the other
No hate intended to Closer, but How Do I Live is a classic

I love Trisha Yearwood's "How Do I Live" but Rimes' "How Do I Leave" never quite made sense to me.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

RIP ALL TIME LOW

[Harx]

Mar 21, 2017 9:31:49 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

RIP ALL TIME LOW

WHAT? IT'S GONE?!

omg it really is. :(  But it had a good run and a good peak.

[renfield75]

It will be some time before we know what the classics of the '10s are. Sometimes it's obvious (like "Billie Jean" was an obvious classic in '83), but I don't think anyone then would've thought "Don't Stop Believin'" would be the definitive 80s song and hits like "Physical" would be relatively forgotten. Etta James' "At Last" didn't even crack the top 40 in the early 60s but it's much more of a classic than most number one hits from that era. You just never know, and honestly megahits are at a disadvantage; people get so sick of hearing them at the time they NEVER want to hear them again and they get no recurrent play. When was the last time you heard "Macarena" or "You Light Up My Life"?

And Nikki Lee, I'm happy to see 6LACK hit the Hot 100 too. "PRBLMS" is a great song.

[Sambalada]

Who ever thought "Too Little Too Late" will be considered as a member of '00s classics? Not me

[areyoureadytojump]

www.yahoo.com/music/chart-watch-nicki-minaj-tops-aretha-or-does-she-212006437.html

Chart Watch: Nicki Minaj Tops Aretha (Or Does She?)
by Paul Grein
Yahoo MusiMarch 20, 2017

Nicki Minaj this week pulls ahead of Aretha Franklin as the female artist with the most Hot 100 hits. Minaj has amassed 76 hits on Billboard‘s flagship chart, compared to 73 for the Queen of Soul. That’s an impressive achievement, though it comes with a big asterisk. Franklin was the lead (or co-lead) artist on all 73 of her chart hits. Minaj has been the lead artist on only 32 of hers. She had a featured credit on the other 44.

That, to my mind, constitutes a big difference. So is the fact that chart hits are dispensed like Halloween candy nowadays. Minaj picks up three chart hits this week alone. “No Frauds” (with Drake and Lil Wayne) debuts at No. 14. “Regret in Your Tears” opens at No. 61. “Changed It” (with Lil Wayne) bows at No. 71.

Franklin set the record as the female artist with the most Hot 100 hits in June 1977, when “Break It to Me Gently” became her 54th Hot 100 hit. The old record was held by Connie Francis, with 53.

Franklin had co-lead billing on five of her 73 chart hits. She teamed with George Benson on “Love All the Hurt Away” (No. 46 in 1981), Eurythmics on “Sisters Are Doin’ It for Themselves” (No. 18 in 1985), George Michael on “I Knew You Were Waiting (for Me)” (No. 1 in 1987), Elton John on “Through The Storm” (No. 16 in 1989) and Whitney Houston on “It Isn’t, It Wasn’t, It Ain’t Never Gonna Be” (No. 41 in 1989).

For all her hits, Minaj has yet to top the Hot 100—either as a lead or featured artist. She came closest when “Anaconda” reached No. 2 in September 2014. Franklin has topped the chart twice, with the aforementioned “I Knew You Were Waiting (for Me)” and the immortal “Respect.” Franklin is way ahead in another respect, too. She has collected 18 Grammys. Minaj has yet to win her first.

Trailing Minaj and Franklin on the list of female artists with the most Hot 100 hits are Taylor Swift (70), Rihanna (58), Madonna (57), Dionne Warwick (56), Beyonce (54), Connie Francis (53), Mariah Carey (48), Brenda Lee (48), Miley Cyrus (43), Barbra Streisand (41), Mary J. Blige (40), Janet Jackson (40), and Diana Ross (40).

Minaj still has a ways to go to become the solo artist with the most Hot 100 hits. Lil Wayne holds that record, with 135 Hot 100 hits. Drake is nipping at his heels with 133. The leader, among all chart acts, is the Glee Cast, with 207 charted hits. (Yes, of course, you can’t compare output by a TV phenomenon like Glee with hits by actual groups such as The Beatles and The Beach Boys, but that’s another column.)

Top Songs

Sheeran’s “Shape of You” logs its eighth week at No. 1 on the Hot 100. That’s the longest run at No. 1 since The Chainsmokers’ “Closer” (featuring Halsey) had 12 weeks on top last year. “Shape of You” sold 104K copies this week, which enables it to hold at No. 1 on Top Digital Songs for the eighth week. That’s the longest run at No. 1 on that chart since “Closer” had 13 weeks on top.

“Shape of You” logs its 10th week at No. 1 on The Official U.K. Singles Chart. That’s the longest run since Drake’s “One Dance” (featuring Wizkid and Kyla) logged 15 weeks on top last year.

Bruno Mars’ “That’s What I Like” jumps from No. 3 to No. 2 in its ninth week. Mars pulled two No. 1 hits from each of his first two albums. Will he manage to pull a No. 1 hit from his third album? Stay tuned. “That’s What I Like” jumps to No. 1 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, displacing Migos’ “Bad and Boujee” (featuring Lil Uzi Vert). It’s Mars’ first No. 1 on that chart.

“Bad and Boujee” dips from No. 2 to No. 3 in its 18th week. The song logged three weeks at No. 1.

The Zayn/Taylor Swift collabo “I Don’t Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker)” holds at No. 4 in its 14th week. It peaked at No. 2.

The Weeknd’s “I Feel It Coming” (featuring Daft Punk) rebounds from No. 12 to No. 5 in its 17th week. It’s The Weeknd’s fifth top five hit; Daft Punk’s third. “I Feel It Coming” echoes the super-smooth vocal approach of such Michael Jackson hits as “Heal the World.” Ne-Yo’s “Closer” (No. 7 in 2008) and The Weeknd’s “Can’t Feel My Face” (No. 1 in 2015) also evoked MJ, but neither was this close to the real thing.

Kodak Black’s “Tunnel Vision” holds at No. 6 in its fourth week.

Rihanna’s “Love on the Brain” drops from No. 5 to No. 7 in its 22nd week.

“Something Just Like This” by The Chainsmokers and Coldplay rebounds from No. 11 to No. 8 in its fourth week. The song has climbed as high as No. 5. The Chainsmokers’ “Paris” drops from No. 7 to No. 9 in its ninth week. The song has climbed as high as No. 6.

Lil Yachty lands his second top 10 hit as KYLE’s “iSpy,” on which he is featured, jumps from No. 14 to No. 10 in its 12th week. Lil Yachty was previously featured on D.R.A.M.’s “Broccoli,” which reached No. 5.

The Chainsmokers’ “Closer” (featuring Halsey) finally drops out of the top 10, ending a record-tying 32-week run in the top 10. Two other songs drop out of the top 10 this week: Big Sean’s “Bounce Back” and Clean Bandit’s “Rockabye” (featuring Sean Paul & Anne-Marie).

[portermerrill]

Mar 20, 2017 22:52:55 GMT -5 portermerrill said:

Mar 20, 2017 22:48:58 GMT -5 inverse said:

If any song from the 2010's could be labeled a classic I'd say it's Closer. That or Rolling In The Deep, those two just had a stranglehold on culture during their peaks and are both great songs. 

Also not to diverge the thread much I never really was that big of a fan of How Do I Live and I'm not sure why people think it's so great, I like Leann Rimes songs with more focus on interesting melody like I Need You and especially Can't Fight The Moonlight. 

Maybe Uptown Funk! on the list too

Another song we are leaving out of this is Radioactive, It never hit number one but peaked at number 3 and had 87 weeks on the chart total. That's the record too.

[Caviar]

Paul sounds so bitter in that article.

[taylor]

Mar 20, 2017 15:40:04 GMT -5 Gary said:

Well the "Starships" record stands at 32 weeks. That may where the LeAnn record stands too barring any sudden reversals in the next week or two

I know it's a little late, but what is the "Starships" record?

[Sambalada]

Mar 25, 2017 8:09:56 GMT -5 taylor said:

Mar 20, 2017 15:40:04 GMT -5 Gary said:

Well the "Starships" record stands at 32 weeks. That may where the LeAnn record stands too barring any sudden reversals in the next week or two

I know it's a little late, but what is the "Starships" record?

Most consecutive weeks in the top 10 after debuting inside that region.

[taylor]

Mar 25, 2017 8:17:33 GMT -5 Sambalada said:

Mar 25, 2017 8:09:56 GMT -5 taylor said:

I know it's a little late, but what is the "Starships" record?

Most consecutive weeks in the top 10 after debuting inside that region.

I actually knew that. I wanted to know what "stands at 32 weeks" means?

Edit: Nevermind guys. I figured it out just now by myself. That user was referring to it as the "Starships" record because that is the first song that brings to mind when it's about most weeks in the top 10 after debuting. Anyways.Thanks for the quick replies.

[Dylan :)]

Mar 25, 2017 8:09:56 GMT -5 taylor said:

Mar 20, 2017 15:40:04 GMT -5 Gary said:

Well the "Starships" record stands at 32 weeks. That may where the LeAnn record stands too barring any sudden reversals in the next week or two

I know it's a little late, but what is the "Starships" record?

In 2012, Nicki Minaj's Starships debutted in the top 10 and managed to last a total of twenty one weeks in the top 10 without falling out, beating I Gotta Feeling's twenty weeks. Songs came close after this (Shake It Off in 2014 which spent one week at #11 and I believe Maroon 5's Sugar and Justin Bieber's What Do You Mean matched the record) but wasn't beaten until 2016 by Justin's Love Yourself, which has since been beaten by The Chainsmokers and Halsey's Closer