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Post by vithor on Sept 7, 2020 14:27:13 GMT -5
Sis had an album to support her tour that was supposed to be over by now if not for covid and we still have no word on when new music is dropping? This is frustrating...
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Post by schnetzka on Sept 7, 2020 14:35:14 GMT -5
Sis had an album to support her tour that was supposed to be over by now if not for covid and we still have no word on when new music is dropping? This is frustrating... I wonder if the album has even been fully or anywhere near recorded yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 14:56:02 GMT -5
I feel like the album was probably mostly complete since she was supposed to tour this summer in support of it. It would have been risky (and odd) to announce a tour in the near future to support an album that wasn't recorded. My assumption is now they'll probably take some additional time on the project, because I don't see her putting out an album if she can't tour to support it.
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Post by Night Senses on Sept 7, 2020 15:26:01 GMT -5
Can we talk about how good janet sounds on those leaked Rich Harrison demos from the Damita jo album? Sis was SANGIN!!!! The Rich Harrison production is a bit cringe in retrospect, but I completely agree about the vocals. Rich must have really pushed her hard. I think the Damita Jo album/era contained some of her strongest vocals. The bridge and adlibs on Pops Up & Put it on You >>>
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Post by vithor on Sept 7, 2020 22:33:22 GMT -5
Sis had an album to support her tour that was supposed to be over by now if not for covid and we still have no word on when new music is dropping? This is frustrating... I wonder if the album has even been fully or anywhere near recorded yet. Well, when she was on Jimmy Fallon back in February and she said the tour would feature new music from a new album, so it must've been finished or close to by then. I feel like the album was probably mostly complete since she was supposed to tour this summer in support of it. It would have been risky (and odd) to announce a tour in the near future to support an album that wasn't recorded. My assumption is now they'll probably take some additional time on the project, because I don't see her putting out an album if she can't tour to support it. Well, I thought that too, but at this point in her career I feel like whoever is buying tickets to see Janet will do it no matter if she has a new album out or not. I just think it would be a good idea to put a single out this year, work Urban AC stations and her public (cause UAC campaigns are long as hell), put a new single out early next year, release the album in the spring and go on tour in the summer. Well no matter how long it takes she'll always have my streams anyway.
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Post by spiritboy on Sept 8, 2020 5:29:29 GMT -5
I heard Billboard will be banning bundles thing. Will it include ticket bundles as well or just merch bundles? If ticket bundles are included, she should just drop the album.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 7:30:10 GMT -5
I wonder if the album has even been fully or anywhere near recorded yet. Well, when she was on Jimmy Fallon back in February and she said the tour would feature new music from a new album, so it must've been finished or close to by then. I feel like the album was probably mostly complete since she was supposed to tour this summer in support of it. It would have been risky (and odd) to announce a tour in the near future to support an album that wasn't recorded. My assumption is now they'll probably take some additional time on the project, because I don't see her putting out an album if she can't tour to support it. Well, I thought that too, but at this point in her career I feel like whoever is buying tickets to see Janet will do it no matter if she has a new album out or not. I just think it would be a good idea to put a single out this year, work Urban AC stations and her public (cause UAC campaigns are long as hell), put a new single out early next year, release the album in the spring and go on tour in the summer. Well no matter how long it takes she'll always have my streams anyway. I think the tour acts more as promotion for the album than the other way around at this stage of her career.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Sept 10, 2020 15:57:43 GMT -5
Yes, the tour is promotion for the album and it also guarantees a profit. Independent artists get a bigger cut of money from album sales and tour tickets, right?
The pandemic really threw things off the rails. Streaming alone won't be enough to get a return on investment.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 10, 2020 16:29:04 GMT -5
spirit- albums tied to tickets will only count toward the charts if available as an add-on to the ticket purchase. Same will go for merchandise items. I'm sure some ticket buyers will opt to purchase albums as add-ons, though perhaps not at the level of those who took action to redeem copies in the past.
She may not see see the kind of numbers Unbreakable pulled upon its release, though I'd think a top 10 placement shouldn't be a problem. Another No. 1 would depend on timing, as if there are heavily streamed albums out at the time, it wouldn't compete in that department.
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Post by Kishi KCM on Sept 12, 2020 12:29:42 GMT -5
In your own opinions, what are things that could be done to make Janet's music more viable in the streaming era?
With Black Diamond coming up, there's naturally going to be discussion on where the new music will chart and how long the music will last. Obviously we won't know until it's released and see how consumers react.
But what could be done now and before the era starts? NOT INCLUDING the obvious lack of videography on YouTube.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Sept 12, 2020 12:34:06 GMT -5
In your own opinions, what are things that could be done to make Janet's music more viable in the streaming era? With Black Diamond coming up, there's naturally going to be discussion on where the new music will chart and how long the music will last. Obviously we won't know until it's released and see how consumers react. But what could be done now and before the era starts? NOT INCLUDING the obvious lack of videography on YouTube. I think she needs one amazing collaboration or sample of a signature track on a hit song that is a massive streaming hit. That will help to connect and introduce a different audience to her music.
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Post by stunnedout on Sept 12, 2020 22:26:48 GMT -5
Can we talk about how good janet sounds on those leaked Rich Harrison demos from the Damita jo album? Sis was SANGIN!!!! The Rich Harrison production is a bit cringe in retrospect, but I completely agree about the vocals. Rich must have really pushed her hard. I think the Damita Jo album/era contained some of her strongest vocals. The bridge and adlibs on Pops Up & Put it on You > I like most of the production Rich did with here. They could've used some tweaks in certain areas, but we didn't get a finished product so it's hard to judge. I love "What can I say" and "Clap your hands".
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Post by Dreams on Sept 13, 2020 5:34:52 GMT -5
"What Can I Say" and "Clap Your Hands" might have good, full vocals, for Janet's standards, but as songs they just suck. Good thing those unmelodic drecks remain unreleased.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 15, 2020 17:55:30 GMT -5
Kishi- a new track from a Janet album, at least in the USA, can possibly see a one-week Hot 100 appearance, if all is timed right, with a collaborator who does well in streaming- see "Made For Now." She always has strong potential at her core radio format (Adult R&B), but that won't trickle over to big streaming business.
That's just something we have to accept when it comes to our legendary "divas." :) We can just hope for quality music that we can enjoy- and as Unbreakable was a much stronger effort than the couple of albums that preceded it, I hope we're on the verge of another Janet tour de force.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:50:33 GMT -5
She might be too shy for it but I think Janet would benefit SO much from a Verzuz! She’s just so absent and hidden away all the time but her catalogue is one of the greatest EVER for a female and could easily remind everyone why she’s such a legend.
Plus so many of her hits are timeless! It could help get her streaming going in general
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Post by SHOOTER on Sept 15, 2020 20:06:30 GMT -5
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Sept 15, 2020 21:00:27 GMT -5
She might be too shy for it but I think Janet would benefit SO much from a Verzuz! She’s just so absent and hidden away all the time but her catalogue is one of the greatest EVER for a female and could easily remind everyone why she’s such a legend. Plus so many of her hits are timeless! It could help get her streaming going in general Here's what I'm going to say about a Janet Verzuz... If she wanted to do it, I'd of course be down. But IMO I don't think the format lends itself well to Janet's performance style. Why?? Because when was the last time we saw Janet do an entire show by herself with the exclusion of DANCERS?!?! She loves Dance, and she is just as legendary to the Dance and Choreography community as she is to the music world. It's the thing she and her team do that is really above and beyond everyone else. This also complicates who she could go up against in a Verzuz. Mariah and Janet are pretty close to contemporaries, but y'all know Mariah ain't even about to take two steps. Love you Paula, but the catalog truly isn't deep enough. All of the people that came up after Janet... Britney, Beyonce, Christina, Pink, Usher?? Too much of a generation gap. Sure Missy has a love for the dance community similar to Janet's, but a rapper vs. a singer is also not going to work. Plus Missy has produced for so many other acts. They're just different musical stories to tell that don't work well for a Verzuz format. So we all know who's left, and once again I just don't think it's going to work. Eventhough Madonna has danced her whole career, Vogue is the only instance where her dance moves can be considered 'Iconic'. With Janet, every single era had at least one moment of iconic choreography that was born from it. I think Janet needs to be looking more towards a Netflix type doc to help tell her story, and maybe consider releasing Black Diamond as a double album where you have a greatest hits side and a new music side. If you do that, and tie it in with a nice Documentary, you've got lots of stuff that interest fans new and old.
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Post by Caviar on Sept 15, 2020 21:42:13 GMT -5
Swizz should be on his damn knees apologizing to Janet for disrespecting her. Granted it was poorly worded, but he doubled down on it which makes me suspicious of his intentions. Janet’s catalog is bigger than his child support payments so he needs to sit the f**k down and put some RESPECT on her name. On a night where black woman were being celebrated he took the time to throw her under the bus.
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Post by 🇯🇲 lucy88 🇯🇲 on Sept 15, 2020 22:49:08 GMT -5
She might be too shy for it but I think Janet would benefit SO much from a Verzuz! She’s just so absent and hidden away all the time but her catalogue is one of the greatest EVER for a female and could easily remind everyone why she’s such a legend. Plus so many of her hits are timeless! It could help get her streaming going in general Here's what I'm going to say about a Janet Verzuz... If she wanted to do it, I'd of course be down. But IMO I don't think the format lends itself well to Janet's performance style. Why?? Because when was the last time we saw Janet do an entire show by herself with the exclusion of DANCERS?!?! She loves Dance, and she is just as legendary to the Dance and Choreography community as she is to the music world. It's the thing she and her team do that is really above and beyond everyone else. This also complicates who she could go up against in a Verzuz. Mariah and Janet are pretty close to contemporaries, but y'all know Mariah ain't even about to take two steps. Love you Paula, but the catalog truly isn't deep enough. All of the people that came up after Janet... Britney, Beyonce, Christina, Pink, Usher?? Too much of a generation gap. Sure Missy has a love for the dance community similar to Janet's, but a rapper vs. a singer is also not going to work. Plus Missy has produced for so many other acts. They're just different musical stories to tell that don't work well for a Verzuz format. So we all know who's left, and once again I just don't think it's going to work. Eventhough Madonna has danced her whole career, Vogue is the only instance where her dance moves can be considered 'Iconic'. With Janet, every single era had at least one moment of iconic choreography that was born from it. I think Janet needs to be looking more towards a Netflix type doc to help tell her story, and maybe consider releasing Black Diamond as a double album where you have a greatest hits side and a new music side. If you do that, and tie it in with a nice Documentary, you've got lots of stuff that interest fans new and old. Yeah, I don't think Missy would be a good match for Janet, either. Plus, Janet has been in the music industry way longer than Missy. I think Paula would have been a great match for Janet, but her catalog isn't as big as Janet's. I would have love to see Janet do a verzuz battle with Madonna since they have plenty of dance hits spanning over 30 years, but I don't see that every happening since they've never been buddy buddy with each other.
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Post by SHOOTER on Sept 16, 2020 1:26:54 GMT -5
Honestly, if they participated, I’d probably prefer the likes of Janet, Missy, Mariah do solo events a la Babyface’s WTE special where they discuss the stories behind some of their biggest hits AND deep cuts (or, in Missy’s case, the extensive work she’s done writing/producing for others. The industry, in general, honestly doesn’t talk enough about how Missy is the only woman to be an artist/songwriter/producer and amass such an extensive body of work).
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Post by Dreams on Sept 16, 2020 3:53:56 GMT -5
The NERVE of that deadbeat father to suggest Janet is a bad match for Missy. In the words of early-2010s pop icon Demetria Lovato: "you got it the wrong way around honey"! The absoulte NERVE! Janet Jackson's catalog is far beyond Missy Elliott's and far beyond any Versuz. KNOW THAT!
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Post by Caviar on Sept 16, 2020 8:32:43 GMT -5
Right! She could do a Verzuz based on Control and RN alone! Foh
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 8:35:51 GMT -5
What an asinine thing to say about her.. and I get when the kids don't realize the impact she had, but he's old enough to know better..
I don't really think there's anyone out there who it would make sense for her to do a Verzuz with.. most of the acts compared to her are not her contemporaries (they're acts who followed in her footsteps).
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Post by stunnedout on Sept 16, 2020 9:19:18 GMT -5
I think janet and Mariah would be a good match IF they have a good rapport with each other and it can be more of them having girl talk and sharing stories about each other and their experiences.
Janet nor Mariah need to "perform" for Versuz, they are just playing music and sharing stories so it could totally work. Mariah IMO would be the only one it would make sense for her to do it with because they are both 90's divas that play within the pop and r&b space and they were at the top of the charts during the same time.
They could also do a Janet VS Janet and bill it something like "Some artists are too big to compete with anyone else.." type of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:31:14 GMT -5
For a legend music man to shade Janet Jackson with the albums, the hits and the success she had is ludicrous to me. Has to be a personal problem clouding his judgement.
Janet can open her vault and fit 15 alicia keys in it (sorry AK for bringing u up due to your husbands words) but real talk dont disrespect a legend like that.
Janet has had one of the greatest careers and fucking Swiss Cheeese and his played out beats can't speak on it.
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Post by PGriffin on Sept 16, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5
well...I can't think of an artist who can go up against Jan....maybe Madonna or if Michael was alive......Missy and Janet definitely are not a good fit. Maybe, Janet vs Ciara?? Old vs New?
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Post by stunnedout on Sept 16, 2020 11:29:52 GMT -5
Ciara doesn't even have 10 hits...
janet vs. Beyonce would be interesting for a old vs. new.
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Post by SHOOTER on Sept 17, 2020 2:12:31 GMT -5
Keep in mind this is the same man who sincerely suggested his wife should battle Mariah. 🥴
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Sept 17, 2020 22:48:43 GMT -5
Swizz should be on his damn knees apologizing to Janet for disrespecting her. Granted it was poorly worded, but he doubled down on it which makes me suspicious of his intentions. Janet’s catalog is bigger than his child support payments so he needs to sit the f**k down and put some RESPECT on her name. On a night where black woman were being celebrated he took the time to throw her under the bus. TBH I'm still shocked at his comment. Like how can he say that Janet's catalog isn't "deep enough"? She has Grammy nominations in 5 separate genres, including Rock. She has 41 Hot 100 hits across 4 separate decades, number 1 and top 10 hits across 3 decades. 20 Dance Club Number 1s, Tons of R&B chart leaders, literally whole albums that dominated the charts. On an album to album basis, she outperforms every one of her contemporaries when you consider how few albums she actually created. Swizz Beats can't be that ignorant. He just CAN'T be.
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Post by 🇯🇲 lucy88 🇯🇲 on Sept 17, 2020 23:22:52 GMT -5
I choose not to take that joker seriously. I'll let Janet's 27 top 10 hits, iconic videos, and 10 #1s speak for themselves.
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