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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 23:32:43 GMT -5
more of how inconsistent the chainsmokers are. all of my statements are true You are inconsistent. How do you expect a flop if they haven't promoted nothing since SJLT??? Gosh. Ok, they released an album, and besides The One, Paris and SJLT have charted in Hot 100, but, they haven't released nothing as the next single. They pulled their song featuring Jhene Aiko, it doesn't count. The One was just promotional, Paris went to top 10 on BB Hot 100 and #3 on Pop, SJLT peaked at #4 on BB Hot 100 and was #1 on Pop. Is that a flop? Also, MDNO debuted at #1 on BB Hot 200. Still that a flop?? SJLT peaked at #3 and yes it is a hit. The one flopped. The bunch of collabs they did with random artists after closer flopped. So now they have stopped releasing new stuff. |
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Post by Leo β on Jun 6, 2017 23:33:55 GMT -5
You are inconsistent. How do you expect a flop if they haven't promoted nothing since SJLT??? Gosh. Ok, they released an album, and besides The One, Paris and SJLT have charted in Hot 100, but, they haven't released nothing as the next single. They pulled their song featuring Jhene Aiko, it doesn't count. The One was just promotional, Paris went to top 10 on BB Hot 100 and #3 on Pop, SJLT peaked at #4 on BB Hot 100 and was #1 on Pop. Is that a flop? Also, MDNO debuted at #1 on BB Hot 200. Still that a flop?? SJLT peaked at #3 and yes it is a hit. The one flopped. The bunch of collabs they did with random artists after closer flopped. So now they have stopped releasing new stuff. What part of "they haven't pushed nothing since SJLT" didn't you understand???? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 23:36:03 GMT -5
SJLT peaked at #3 and yes it is a hit. The one flopped. The bunch of collabs they did with random artists after closer flopped. So now they have stopped releasing new stuff. What part of "they haven't pushed nothing since SJLT" didn't you understand???? Why do people get so defensive over this crap? They released a ton of flops before SJLT, and they haven't released anything after. And btw, look at paris now. Hung on to the top 10 for a little while, down to 19, then steamrolled away |
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Post by Leo β on Jun 6, 2017 23:37:52 GMT -5
What part of "they haven't pushed nothing since SJLT" didn't you understand???? Why do people get so defensive over this crap? They released a ton of flops before SJLT, and they haven't released anything after. And btw, look at paris now. Hung on to the top 10 for a little while, down to 19, then steamrolled away All We Know and Setting Fires never were sent to radio. Even without being sent to radio, All We Know was below top 40 on Pop. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 6, 2017 23:39:02 GMT -5
You are inconsistent. How do you expect a flop if they haven't promoted nothing since SJLT??? Gosh. Ok, they released an album, and besides The One, Paris and SJLT have charted in Hot 100, but, they haven't released nothing as the next single. They pulled their song featuring Jhene Aiko, it doesn't count. The One was just promotional, Paris went to top 10 on BB Hot 100 and #3 on Pop, SJLT peaked at #4 on BB Hot 100 and was #1 on Pop. Is that a flop? Also, MDNO debuted at #1 on BB Hot 200. Still that a flop?? SJLT peaked at #3 and yes it is a hit. The one flopped. The bunch of collabs they did with random artists after closer flopped. So now they have stopped releasing new stuff. You are the best troll this board has seen in quite some time, and are a gracious antidote to all the other members of the YE circle jerk crew (I even feel that I might be treading on disrespect by associating a goddess such as you with them in the same sentence, and this is me saying this). I commend you; never change.  |
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Post by Zach on Jun 6, 2017 23:49:35 GMT -5
SJLT peaked at #3 and yes it is a hit. The one flopped. The bunch of collabs they did with random artists after closer flopped. So now they have stopped releasing new stuff. Why do people get so defensive over this crap? They released a ton of flops before SJLT, and they haven't released anything after. And btw, look at paris now. Hung on to the top 10 for a little while, down to 19, then steamrolled away  I'm done here. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 7, 2017 0:24:38 GMT -5
Lorde Jesus, please save us from our sins.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 0:27:30 GMT -5
Lorde Jesus, please save us from our sins. Jesus? Only Lucifer is here. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 7, 2017 0:30:08 GMT -5
Lorde Jesus, please save us from our sins. Jesus? Only Lucifer is here. Clearly. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 0:32:19 GMT -5
You guys can thank me for getting started with this Chainsmokers topic :(
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 7, 2017 0:34:58 GMT -5
SJLT peaked at #3 and yes it is a hit. The one flopped. The bunch of collabs they did with random artists after closer flopped. So now they have stopped releasing new stuff. You are the best troll this board has seen in quite some time, and are a gracious antidote to all the other members of the YE circle jerk crew (I even feel that I might be treading on disrespect by associating a goddess such as you with them in the same sentence, and this is me saying this). I commend you; never change. I don't know if we should encourage this unholy behavior of saying All I Want for Christmas Is You isn't a hit. |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 7, 2017 0:36:57 GMT -5
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By that token: -Purple Rain has never been a hit. -Formation isn't a hit. -Piece by Piece isn't a hit. -Summer Sixteen isn't a hit. -Perfect Illusion, Rise, and Make Me all were failures. -All I Want for X-Mas has never been a hit. -OOOUUU will likely not be a hit. -Deja Vu might not be a hit. -Millions Reasons might not be a hit. I'm willing to bet you think of at least one of these as hits and will thus want to reconsider that hardline stance. Of course if a song was released at a s**tty time and hit its points split in half then that can be an exception. Sorry if I left that out. But a ton of the songs on your list just had massive debuts and completely fell off after that. And All I want for Xmas was not a hit because it wasn't even released as a song eligible for charting. If it had been, it would have certainly been a hit.  |
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Post by Sambalada on Jun 7, 2017 2:08:25 GMT -5
YASSS the Devil does NOT approve of the birth of Jesus! The christmas classic AIWFCIY ain't a hit!
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Post by lyhom on Jun 7, 2017 4:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by Harx on Jun 7, 2017 4:58:48 GMT -5
Have these constant off-topic "what counts as a hit" discussions always been a thing here or did it all get this bad recently?  |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 7, 2017 5:58:53 GMT -5
Have these constant off-topic "what counts as a hit" discussions always been a thing here or did it all get this bad recently? I haven't followed along enough to tell you how frequently it comes up, but I'm certain it crops up every time someone thinks theirs is the only valid interpretation (which is usually some one-size-fits-all BS coming from someone who doesn't understand what context is). :sip2: |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 7, 2017 6:32:33 GMT -5
You are inconsistent. How do you expect a flop if they haven't promoted nothing since SJLT??? Gosh. Ok, they released an album, and besides The One, Paris and SJLT have charted in Hot 100, but, they haven't released nothing as the next single. They pulled their song featuring Jhene Aiko, it doesn't count. The One was just promotional, Paris went to top 10 on BB Hot 100 and #3 on Pop, SJLT peaked at #4 on BB Hot 100 and was #1 on Pop. Is that a flop? Also, MDNO debuted at #1 on BB Hot 200. Still that a flop?? SJLT peaked at #3 and yes it is a hit. The one flopped. The bunch of collabs they did with random artists after closer flopped. So now they have stopped releasing new stuff. LMAO! |
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By that token: -All I Want for X-Mas has never been a hit. I'm willing to bet you think of at least one of these as hits and will thus want to reconsider that hardline stance. Of course if a song is released at a s**tty time and has its points split in half then that can be an exception. Sorry if I left that out. [...] And All I want for Xmas was not a hit because it wasn't even released as a song eligible for charting. If it had been, it would have certainly been a hit. So that's not what you consider a bad timing for releasing the single? It was a radio single, and a popular one at that that just happened to come out in that time when the dumb rule was in play (I wonder if you consider fellow victims like Don't Speak, Torn, 3AM, or Men in Black hits either). Even then, your counter-argument doesn't hold water because what are these? 29 0 Re-Entry 2 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 29 The Billboard Hot 100 2012-12-22 25 29 - 3 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 25 The Billboard Hot 100 2012-12-29 21 25 29 4 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2013-01-05 26 0 Re-Entry 5 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2013-12-21 27 26 β 6 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2013-12-28 26 27 26 7 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2014-01-04 50 0 Re-Entry 8 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2014-12-20 40 50 β 9 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2014-12-27 35 40 50 10 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2015-01-03 26 0 Re-Entry 11 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2015-12-19 22 26 β 12 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 21 The Billboard Hot 100 2015-12-26 18 22 26 13 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 18 The Billboard Hot 100 2016-01-02 11 18 22 14 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 11 The Billboard Hot 100 2016-01-09 23 0 Re-Entry 15 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 11 The Billboard Hot 100 2016-12-17 17 23 β 16 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 11 The Billboard Hot 100 2016-12-24 20 17 23 17 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 11 The Billboard Hot 100 2016-12-31 16 20 17 18 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 11 The Billboard Hot 100 2017-01-07 35 16 20 19 All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah Carey 11 The Billboard Hot 100 2017-01-14 I don't know about you, but those sure look like a lot of weeks in the hit zone, even a few weeks really close to the top 10, to me! |
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 7, 2017 9:42:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 15:49:45 GMT -5
inb4 "expressing hope that a song will make the Year-End Hot 100? you're obviously insinuating that it's not considered a hit if it doesn't!!!" I don't get why people like to call every god damn song a hit... if a song can't even make the top 100 of the year it was released, it is not a hit, by any definition
yes, yes, opinions and such but an atom isn't big. i dont care how subjective the word big is. an atom doesn't fit that word's meaning. In that case explain the status of the following songs most being plagued by that stupid old rule that is no longer in play: Torn - Natalie Imbruglia Don't Speak - No Doubt All I Want For Christmas - Mariah Carey |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jun 7, 2017 16:42:00 GMT -5
I don't get why people like to call every god damn song a hit... if a song can't even make the top 100 of the year it was released, it is not a hit, by any definition
yes, yes, opinions and such but an atom isn't big. i dont care how subjective the word big is. an atom doesn't fit that word's meaning. In that case explain the status of the following songs most being plagued by that stupid old rule that is no longer in play: Torn - Natalie Imbruglia Don't Speak - No Doubt All I Want For Christmas - Mariah Carey Clearly flops of the decade |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 18:14:48 GMT -5
In that case explain the status of the following songs most being plagued by that stupid old rule that is no longer in play: Torn - Natalie Imbruglia Don't Speak - No Doubt All I Want For Christmas - Mariah Carey Clearly flops of the decade Dude. A song not eligible for charting can under no definition be a hit, in terms of chart success. It literally didn't chart. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 7, 2017 18:31:28 GMT -5
Clearly flops of the decade Dude. A song not eligible for charting can under no definition be a hit This is just completely ignorant and incorrect on about a thousand levels. You continue to ignore the fact that these songs were not eligible under crazy pretenses that Billboard has since fixed. You have absolutely zero understanding of how the music industry worked back then or presently if you believe this utter nonsense you keep spewing. Not to mention these songs have all reached the charts even if they did not specifically manage to chart on the Hot 100. Some of these songs being listed were record holders on other charts. All of these songs have made large impacts on the music industry. Just because they didn't reach the Hot 100 for whatever reasons doesn't make them any less of a hit than, say, "Do You Make Me Proud" by Taylor Hicks. Your definition of a hit is not the end all be all. It might actually be the worst one yet of all the terrible Hot 100 thread lurkers as of late. You need an enormous dose of reality before you get yourself banned, because at the rate you are going, it's gonna happen. So how about you sit down, do some actual research on these topics you are failing to comprehend and discuss, reevaluate your view of the industry, and come back when you have something intelligible to contribute to this conversation rather than instigating arguments in almost every Hot 100 thread since your existence on Pulse. Reported. Blocked. Thank you. This will be my final input into any Hot 100 thread until these problems are finally resolved, if that ever happens. |
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Post by lyhom on Jun 7, 2017 18:37:59 GMT -5
Clearly flops of the decade Dude. A song not eligible for charting can under no definition be a hit, in terms of chart success. It literally didn't chart.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 18:42:49 GMT -5
Why are people trying to argue with Lucifer, who is living up to its name?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 18:53:48 GMT -5
Dude. A song not eligible for charting can under no definition be a hit This is just completely ignorant and incorrect on about a thousand levels. You continue to ignore the fact that these songs were not eligible under crazy pretenses that Billboard has since fixed. You have absolutely zero understanding of how the music industry worked back then or presently if you believe this utter nonsense you keep spewing. Not to mention these songs have all reached the charts even if they did not specifically manage to chart on the Hot 100. Some of these songs being listed were record holders on other charts. All of these songs have made large impacts on the music industry. Just because they didn't reach the Hot 100 for whatever reasons doesn't make them any less of a hit than, say, "Do You Make Me Proud" by Taylor Hicks. Your definition of a hit is not the end all be all. It might actually be the worst one yet of all the terrible Hot 100 thread lurkers as of late. You need an enormous dose of reality before you get yourself banned, because at the rate you are going, it's gonna happen. So how about you sit down, do some actual research on these topics you are failing to comprehend and discuss, reevaluate your view of the industry, and come back when you have something intelligible to contribute to this conversation rather than instigating arguments in almost every Hot 100 thread since your existence on Pulse. Reported. Blocked. Thank you. This will be my final input into any Hot 100 thread until these problems are finally resolved, if that ever happens. you conveniently left out my "in terms of chart-success." I added that in seconds after posting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 18:54:16 GMT -5
everyone is making this more than it really is, lets just agree to disagree my god
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 7, 2017 19:38:43 GMT -5
Lucifer clearly relies on Billboard 100% for his chart insights, which he is free to do. It's unfortunate because Billboard is a company that tracks stats in a way it believes to be accurate that may or not be accurate, or at least that change over time and while Billboard is the primary chart tracking company out there right now, there was a time when they had competition. To most people, a "hit" can be a wide range of definitions from local to regional to national to international and Billboard is but one single measurement of a song's success. So really, you should be specifying here and saying "Billboard hit" in place of the word "hit" whenever you're talking about it. Because while most people have moved beyond that, you haven't. And that's quite alright. But for clarification purposes, you're talking strictly about Billboard.
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Post by Gary on Jun 7, 2017 21:23:59 GMT -5
Lucifer clearly relies on Billboard 100% for his chart insights, which he is free to do. It's unfortunate because Billboard is a company that tracks stats in a way it believes to be accurate that may or not be accurate, or at least that change over time and while Billboard is the primary chart tracking company out there right now, there was a time when they had competition. To most people, a "hit" can be a wide range of definitions from local to regional to national to international and Billboard is but one single measurement of a song's success. So really, you should be specifying here and saying "Billboard hit" in place of the word "hit" whenever you're talking about it. Because while most people have moved beyond that, you haven't. And that's quite alright. But for clarification purposes, you're talking strictly about Billboard. I wouldn't even use "Billboard Hit". I would argue that some of the biggest songs ever released did not fare well on the Hot 100 or did not even chart at all, on the Hot 100. Billboard does other charts, for example the biggest songs of the 1990s were certainly "Billboard hits" as they charted well on the only charts they were eligible for (Don't Speak, Torn, etc.) but here they don't exist because the Hot 100 says they don't. Stairway to Heaven, Into The Groove and others got heavy airplay and helped their respective artists sell lots of albums but per the Hot 100, they don't exist. I get the complaints that a lower peak or a recurrent cutoff of chart run or whatever, diminishes chart success but, what does that mean? For example: Does that mean that since Uptown Funk, for example was cut-off after week 56, it is now no longer a hit, or it lesser of a hit than a song that did not have its chart run cut? Yes, if you use the narrow view of the Hot 100 and say that well obviously it will not stand up to the "chart success" of Party Rock Anthem or Radioactive or other songs that were not artificially removed. ---- Song popularity of songs that charted in different times CAN NEVER BE ACCURATELY COMPARED Against EACH OTHER. , FYI - Uptown Funk,is still on the recurrent chart to this day one of the 15 or 20 longest chart runs in recurrent chart history. Point being, because it is no longer on the Hot 100 does not mean people stopped listening. Bottom line: the problem I see here is that using the Billboard Hot 100, or the Hot 100 year end charts or whatever relies on a very narrow view of what a "hit" is. |
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