Billboard Hot 100: 7/8/2017

[Gary]

Jun 23, 2017 6:39:14 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jun 23, 2017 6:17:49 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Can't really quantify that as you don't know why people are buying the song other than because it got remixed w Beiber. Radio picked it up solely cuz of Beiber. 100% only reason it went to #1 is Beiber.

Agreed. And I never agree with you. If the Bieber remix didn't exist, the song wouldn't have exploded when it did. Even if it's standing on its own now, which I also don't disagree with, it didn't get here on its own.

I think we are all in agreement. I agreed with the original statement twice so far, third time now.

The Justin Bieber factor got the song more exposure --- In week 14 of it's chart run when it jumped from 48 to 9  after peaking at #44 and basically being left for dead, that was Justin Bieber - exclusively --- agreed 100%

It is now 8 weeks later in the chart run with 6 weeks at #1 and no signs of dropping anytime soon, now that the song has been exposed to a wider audience and is still a fairly strong #1, it isn't necessarily JUST Justin Bieber anymore - at some point you have to say the song itself is resonating with  people.  Justin Bieber's longest prior run at #1 was 3 weeks, this has 6 and counting - even for Justin Bieber this is new territory.

[areyoureadytojump]

ATRL:

1 BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like: 191.347 (- 0.685)
2 ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You: 164.468 (- 1.154)
3 ZEDD & ALESSIA CARA - Stay: 156.301 (- 0.427)
4 THE CHAINSMOKERS & COLDPLAY - Something Just Like This: 152.981 (- 1.097)
5 LUIS FONSI & DADDY YANKEE - Despacito f/Justin Bieber: 142.999 (+ 1.861)
6 DJ KHALED - I'm The One f/Bieber/Quavo…: 137.541 (- 0.530)
7 JAMES ARTHUR - Say You Won't Let Go: 127.886 (- 3.734)
8 KYGO X SELENA GOMEZ - It Ain't Me: 126.735 (- 1.726)
9 JULIA MICHAELS - Issues: 102.210 (+ 0.227)
10 ED SHEERAN - Castle On The Hill: 99.323 (+ 0.606)

11 IMAGINE DRAGONS - Believer: 97.100 (+ 1.264)
12 SAM HUNT - Body Like A Back Road: 94.349 (+ 0.473) ▲
13 KENDRICK LAMAR - HUMBLE.: 93.902 (- 0.511) ▼
14 CHILDISH GAMBINO - Redbone: 87.280 (+ 1.873)
15 HALSEY - Now Or Never: 79.131 (+ 1.937) ▲
16 SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me...: 78.787 (+ 1.223) ▼
17 ALESSIA CARA - Scars To Your Beautiful: 67.184 (+ 0.130)
18 FUTURE - Mask Off: 66.026 (- 0.787)
19 FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE - God, Your Mama, And Me: 63.481 (+ 0.193)
20 BLAKE SHELTON - Every Time I Hear That Song: 59.781 (+ 0.413)

DJ KHALED F/RIHANNA/B. TILLER - Wild Thoughts: 59.496 (+ 7.813)
FRENCH MONTANA - Unforgettable f/Swae Lee: 55.949 (+ 1.150)
THOMAS RHETT - Craving You f/Maren Morris: 55.599 (+ 0.689)
KEITH URBAN - The Fighter f/Carrie Underwood: 47.608 (+ 0.180)
CHARLIE PUTH - Attention: 45.007 (+ 0.926)
NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands: 44.402 (+ 0.988)
MILEY CYRUS - Malibu: 40.997 (+ 0.592)
DAVID GUETTA - 2U f/Justin Bieber: 40.636 (+ 0.839)
SELENA GOMEZ - Bad Liar: 39.912 (+ 0.336)
POST MALONE - Congratulations f/Quavo: 35.478 (+ 0.501)
LADY GAGA - The Cure: 34.116 (- 0.010)
CAMILA CABELLO - Crying In The Club: 24.865 (+ 0.094)
CALVIN HARRIS - Feels f/Pharrell/Katy/Big Sean: 24.070 (+ 2.400)
LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo: 23.540 (+ 0.157)
BRUNO MARS - Versace On The Floor: 20.254 (+ 0.779)
FIFTH HARMONY - Down f/Gucci Mane: 13.142 (+ 0.108)
KENDRICK LAMAR - LOYALTY. f/ Rihanna: 9.011 (+ 1.226)
KILLERS - The Man: 4.571 (+ 0.178)
ARCADE FIRE - Everything Now: 4.483 (+ 0.123)
SHANIA TWAIN - Life's About To Get Good: 1.282 (- 5.052)

[imbondz]

Actually we can quantify it. The original without Beiber is currently #19 at iTunes, #43 at Spotify with minimal airplay. So on its own the song would be somewhere in the 60's?

[Gary]

Jun 23, 2017 8:37:11 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Actually we can quantify it. The original without Beiber is currently #19 at iTunes, #43 at Spotify with minimal airplay. So on its own the song would be somewhere in the 60's?

Disagree,  and missing the point.

The original (sans Bieber) would not be charting at all 22 weeks in, it is only this high because of the remix


Despacito became a hit 8 weeks ago because of Bieber  (agreed for the 4th time)

However, It is still a hit because of the song as well.  At what point did it become the song and not just the "Justin Bieber remix", week 17? week 18?  Hard to say but I find it difficult to believe that the song is #1 forever entirely because Justin Bieber is on the remix.    Justin Bieber has never had a hit this big, could the song have something to do with that?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Jun 23, 2017 8:37:11 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Actually we can quantify it. The original without Beiber is currently #19 at iTunes, #43 at Spotify with minimal airplay. So on its own the song would be somewhere in the 60's?

Not to mention the original version video continues to be #1 in YouTube, which it pretty much has been since it started charting. I'm aware that probably less than half of those view come from the US. The remix audio is actually #16 there.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Jun 23, 2017 9:00:03 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jun 23, 2017 8:37:11 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Actually we can quantify it. The original without Beiber is currently #19 at iTunes, #43 at Spotify with minimal airplay. So on its own the song would be somewhere in the 60's?

Disagree,  and missing the point.

The original (sans Bieber) would not be charting at all 22 weeks in, it is only this high because of the remix


Despacito became a hit 8 weeks ago because of Bieber  (agreed for the 4th time)

However, It is still a hit because of the song as well.  At what point did it become the song and not just the "Justin Bieber remix", week 17? week 18?  Hard to say but I find it difficult to believe that the song is #1 forever entirely because Justin Bieber is on the remix.    Justin Bieber has never had a hit this big, could the song have something to do with that

I just point to "Company" peaking at 53 following 3 massive #1s on Purpose. The song has everything to do with it. A bad song won't have longevity no matter who's name is slapped on label.

[fhas]

Pandora

12. Despacito (Original Version) +35 WTF?
70. That's What I Like - Remix ft. Gucci Mane (-18) --- The original version was #2 before going recurrent
78. 2U (debut)

Wild Thoughts didn't debut. Even big releases take 2-3 weeks to debut on Pandora.

[.It'sGriffin]

It looks like Despacito may not hit #1 on airplay, as WT has a decent shot at blocking it. Though IMO it will end up on it for like a day or two.

[.It'sGriffin]

Jun 23, 2017 9:00:03 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jun 23, 2017 8:37:11 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Actually we can quantify it. The original without Beiber is currently #19 at iTunes, #43 at Spotify with minimal airplay. So on its own the song would be somewhere in the 60's?

Disagree,  and missing the point.

The original (sans Bieber) would not be charting at all 22 weeks in, it is only this high because of the remix


Despacito became a hit 8 weeks ago because of Bieber  (agreed for the 4th time)

However, It is still a hit because of the song as well.  At what point did it become the song and not just the "Justin Bieber remix", week 17? week 18?  Hard to say but I find it difficult to believe that the song is #1 forever entirely because Justin Bieber is on the remix.    Justin Bieber has never had a hit this big, could the song have something to do with that?

IMO, if the remix would dissapear, morph itself into nothing, whatever, Despacito could still be big, but not #1 big.

[Deleted]

Jun 23, 2017 10:03:31 GMT -5 .It'sGriffin said:

It looks like Despacito may not hit #1 on airplay, as WT has a decent shot at blocking it. Though IMO it will end up on it for like a day or two.

Desp is still growing strong on airplay. It will definitely hit number 1.

[Gary]

Jun 23, 2017 10:07:27 GMT -5 .It'sGriffin said:

Jun 23, 2017 9:00:03 GMT -5 Gary said:

Disagree,  and missing the point.

The original (sans Bieber) would not be charting at all 22 weeks in, it is only this high because of the remix


Despacito became a hit 8 weeks ago because of Bieber  (agreed for the 4th time)

However, It is still a hit because of the song as well.  At what point did it become the song and not just the "Justin Bieber remix", week 17? week 18?  Hard to say but I find it difficult to believe that the song is #1 forever entirely because Justin Bieber is on the remix.    Justin Bieber has never had a hit this big, could the song have something to do with that?

IMO, if the remix would dissapear, morph itself into nothing, whatever, Despacito could still be big, but not #1 big.

We all agree that the remix became a hit in the first place because Justin Bieber was added to the song.

The trend in music now is to add Justin Bieber to the remix to push the song up the chart.
Will this work with any old crap song?  for now...probably for a week or two

but for the song to show longevity and be #1 this long with no signs of slowing down, is that still just solely and exclusively because of Justin Bieber? 

new question:

We all agree Despacito shot up the charts because of Justin Bieber however,
Justin Bieber has never had a hit this big so, why has Despacito been #1 this long?

a)  Justin Bieber is on the remix
b) People actually like the song
c) Something else

[Gary]

DJ Khaled's 'Wild Thoughts,' Featuring Rihanna & Bryson Tiller, Aiming for Top 10 Hot 100 Debut



By Gary Trust | June 23, 2017 11:37 AM EDT



The track from Khaled's new album should start as the week's No. 2-selling song.

DJ Khaled's newest single "Wild Thoughts" could launch in the top 10 on next week's Billboard Hot 100 chart (dated July 8). The song features Rihanna and Bryson Tiller and is from Khaled's new album, Grateful, released today (June 23).

Highlights of next week's Hot 100 will post on Billboard.com Monday (June 26), with all charts updating online Tuesday (June 27).

Following its first full week of activity, industry forecasters suggest that "Thoughts," released along with its official video last Friday (June 16), could sell around 100,000 downloads in the tracking week ending June 22, likely arriving as the week's No. 2-selling song (below Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee's "Despacito," featuring Justin Bieber). When finalized streaming (perhaps more than 30 million U.S. streams in the week ending June 22) and radio airplay (more than 35 million in all-format audience in the week ending June 25) are added to the mix, "Thoughts" could arrive in the Hot 100's top 10. (The chart blends U.S. streaming, airplay and sales data.)


If "Thoughts" debuts in the Hot 100's top 10, it would mark Rihanna's 31st top 10, a sum third only to Madonna's record 38 and The Beatles' 34. Khaled would score his second top 10, with both likely in the region simultaneously: "I'm the One," featuring Bieber, Quavo, Chance the Rapper and Lil Wayne, ranks at No. 2 on the July 1-dated Hot 100 after debuting atop the May 20 chart. Tiller, meanwhile, would earn his first Hot 100 top 10.

"Thoughts," which samples Santana's "Maria Maria," a 10-week Hot 100 No. 1 in 2000, already soared in at No. 1 on the real-time Billboard + Twitter Trending 140 chart just after its release.

[Normi]

DJ Khaled already has two Top 10s so it would be his third.
'I'm on one' and 'I'm the one'.

[fhas]

With these numbers (100k sales, 35m airplay, 30m streams) Wild Thoughts should debut at #4.

[85la]

It's also hard to completely separate the Bieber remix and the original, because the remix definitely boosted interest and created additional consumption for the original as well (as what happened with the Macarena). It's been a two-way street, so you can't neccessarily take the current rankings of the original, whether it's in the 40s or whatever, and say that's where it would be at if the remix didn't exist. Having said that though, I agree that the reason it's been #1 for so long now must in large part have to do with sustained likability and resonance with the public.

[Deleted]

Well JB being feature on a song doesn't 100% guarantee success of a song (Deja Vu - Post Malone)
But no question in my mind that the Despacito exploded because of Remix. I mean if they had just put somebody else for remix would the same impact have had happened? This I'm not gonna know 100%
Also look at "2U", it's doing ok but not incredibly well like his other feats

[.It'sGriffin]

Jun 23, 2017 10:22:44 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jun 23, 2017 10:07:27 GMT -5 .It'sGriffin said:

IMO, if the remix would dissapear, morph itself into nothing, whatever, Despacito could still be big, but not #1 big.

We all agree that the remix became a hit in the first place because Justin Bieber was added to the song.

The trend in music now is to add Justin Bieber to the remix to push the song up the chart.
Will this work with any old crap song?  for now...probably for a week or two

but for the song to show longevity and be #1 this long with no signs of slowing down, is that still just solely and exclusively because of Justin Bieber? 

new question:

We all agree Despacito shot up the charts because of Justin Bieber however,
Justin Bieber has never had a hit this big so, why has Despacito been #1 this long?

a)  Justin Bieber is on the remix
b) People actually like the song
c) Something else

C, actually. An important factor is that Despacito is the only new Pop song. Just look at the top 20!

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Just to note that Despacito got to #2 in radio audience according to kworb.

[Gary]

The 7/8 chart will mark week 156 of the Artist 100 or basically 3 full years

6 artists have been one of the top 100 artists of the week the entire time:

Drake
Eminem
Florida Georgia Line
Maroon 5
Blake Shelton
Sia

All other artists have been out of the top 100 for at least 1 week

[Deleted]

Jun 23, 2017 13:25:56 GMT -5 Gary said:

The 7/8 chart will mark week 156 of the Artist 100 or basically 3 full years

6 artists have been one of the top 100 artists of the week the entire time:

Drake
Eminem
Florida Georgia Line
Maroon 5
Blake Shelton
Sia

All other artists have been out of the top 100 for at least 1 week

What??????!
Why are Eminem, Florida Georgia Line, Blake Shelton can hang on so well? Is it because they tour a lot? And even Adele and Taylor Swift are not on here? I thought their albums are really consistent sellers

[Gary]

Jun 23, 2017 13:29:58 GMT -5 @holden said:

Jun 23, 2017 13:25:56 GMT -5 Gary said:

The 7/8 chart will mark week 156 of the Artist 100 or basically 3 full years

6 artists have been one of the top 100 artists of the week the entire time:

Drake
Eminem
Florida Georgia Line
Maroon 5
Blake Shelton
Sia

All other artists have been out of the top 100 for at least 1 week

What??????!
Why are Eminem, Florida Georgia Line, Blake Shelton can hang on so well? Is it because they tour a lot? And even Adele and Taylor Swift are not on here? I thought their albums are really consistent sellers

Slow n Steady sometimes wins the race so to speak - slow n steady catalog sellers.

Eminem has never been higher than #11 in the three years this chart has been out(the other 5 have been to #1).   This week Eminem is #41 due to 3 albums charting in the BB200

Blake Shelton is #60 this week also has 3 charting albums

Taylor Swift with 151 weeks out of a possible 155 has had a lot of time now between albums
Adele is the same

[.It'sGriffin]

Jun 23, 2017 10:08:46 GMT -5 @walker9 said:

Jun 23, 2017 10:03:31 GMT -5 .It'sGriffin said:

It looks like Despacito may not hit #1 on airplay, as WT has a decent shot at blocking it. Though IMO it will end up on it for like a day or two.

Desp is still growing strong on airplay. It will definitely hit number 1.

I was meant to write week. But yeah, It'll hit #1 without a problem. But I also wouldn't be surprised if it wouldn't.

[Deleted]

Despacito will be the next #1 on airplay in two weeks and will be there for at least 2 months. Just what I think

[DistrictTwelve]

I feel like Stay could be one of the songs that will spend a lot of weeks in the top 10 but peaked at 6 or lower.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jun 23, 2017 7:01:59 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jun 23, 2017 6:39:14 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Agreed. And I never agree with you. If the Bieber remix didn't exist, the song wouldn't have exploded when it did. Even if it's standing on its own now, which I also don't disagree with, it didn't get here on its own.

I think we are all in agreement. I agreed with the original statement twice so far, third time now.

The Justin Bieber factor got the song more exposure --- In week 14 of it's chart run when it jumped from 48 to 9  after peaking at #44 and basically being left for dead, that was Justin Bieber - exclusively --- agreed 100%

It is now 8 weeks later in the chart run with 6 weeks at #1 and no signs of dropping anytime soon, now that the song has been exposed to a wider audience and is still a fairly strong #1, it isn't necessarily JUST Justin Bieber anymore - at some point you have to say the song itself is resonating with  people.  Justin Bieber's longest prior run at #1 was 3 weeks, this has 6 and counting - even for Justin Bieber this is new territory.

I don't think anyone is arguing that though. I think the original statement (and maybe I'm wrong) was that it was because of Bieber that the song got here. Without the remix, it wouldn't have gotten the attention to get to #1 and wouldn't be #1 right now as a result. It's like how radio deals push a song high right out of the box and if people like it, it sticks, otherwise it doesn't. In this case, people like the song so it sticks. Bieber served the same purpose as the radio deal.

[singingrulebritannia]

Jun 23, 2017 12:01:18 GMT -5 Normi said:

DJ Khaled already has two Top 10s so it would be his third.
'I'm on one' and 'I'm the one'.

By the end of his career he'll have a hit song for every iteration of "I'm (preposition) One"
Can't wait for "I'm During One" and the posthumous track "I'm Underneath One"

[Deleted]

To add my input into your Despacito argument:
The remix obviously helped Despacito and transformed it into a hit. I personally think that the remixed version sounds better, too.


The reality is however that without the actual foundation of the song that Fonsi and Yankee created, despacito could never have been as big as it is now. Bieber is featured on many songs that are not hits.

[fhas]

Billboard Radio Songs since August 20th 2016

Cheap Thrills: 8 weeks at #1
Closer: 11
Don't Wanna Know: 8
Shape Of You: 12
That's What I Like: 7 (Should finish with 8-9 weeks at #1)

48-49 weeks, 5 number-one songs. That's sad.

[Deleted]

lol this year might be the lowest amount of songs to top airplay ever?
1 Shape Of You
2 That's What I Like
3 Despacito
4 Taylor Swift
Probably one or two more?

[Deleted]

Jun 23, 2017 22:43:10 GMT -5 fhas said:

Billboard Radio Songs since August 20th 2016

Cheap Thrills: 8 weeks at #1
Closer: 11
Don't Wanna Know: 8
Shape Of You: 12
That's What I Like: 7 (Should finish with 8-9 weeks at #1)

48-49 weeks, 5 number-one songs. That's sad.

Cheap thrills was a weak song. surprised it got that many #1 radio weeks