Billboard Hot 100 9/16/2017 - Taylor Swift #1

[fhas]

Look What You Made Me Do: 30,773,551 On-Demand Streams, according to HDD.

hitsdailydouble.com/streaming_songs

[smiley22]

Sept 1, 2017 2:44:06 GMT -5 chartPredictor said:

It actually bothers me quite much how everybody views the records as being Mariah's. The record was never hers, it was shared by her and Boyz 2 Men (who have more 10wk+ number ones than she does) . Now it is shared by luis fonsi, daddy yankee, and justin bieber as well. Stop calling it Mariah's record.

Whoa the grammer police are out. Mariah's record got some people shook.

[85la]

Sept 1, 2017 12:44:21 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Sept 1, 2017 12:05:16 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Yes, the dreaded deleted singles - Columbia did that with CLG, which kept it from #1, and then deleted IBT, so that people would have to buy Unplugged. Ironically, all of these deleted singles, airplay only track, etc. to force people to buy albums resulted in Napster, etc. so there's justice in that.

Mariah has a whole history of deleted and/or limited singles. You can add "Fantasy," "Heartbreaker" and "Thank God I Found You" to the ones we've already named. I wonder how many more weeks at #1 she would have otherwise (but then her album sales may not have been as strong).

I don't know much about deleted singles, but it's my understanding that Mariah was far from the only one who did this. Since we're on this topic, what does it mean to "delete" a single anyway? Does it mean the label stops manufacturing any new copies, or do they pull all copies from store shelves, making it completely unavailable for sale?

[KeepDeanWeird]

Sept 1, 2017 15:44:02 GMT -5 85la said:

Sept 1, 2017 12:44:21 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mariah has a whole history of deleted and/or limited singles. You can add "Fantasy," "Heartbreaker" and "Thank God I Found You" to the ones we've already named. I wonder how many more weeks at #1 she would have otherwise (but then her album sales may not have been as strong).

I don't know much about deleted singles, but it's my understanding that Mariah was far from the only one who did this. Since we're on this topic, what does it mean to "delete" a single anyway? Does it mean the label stops manufacturing any new copies, or do they pull all copies from store shelves, making it completely unavailable for sale?

Mariah was not the only one - by far, but Columbia made her one of the first because they knew she could sell albums with radio hits. Once the trend caught on and Billboard failed to respond for years, labels started to issue certain singles on a limited basis (manufacture very few copies) because the song could chart since it had a physical release and continue to chart on airplay points with zero sales. The Billboard H100 charts from 1992-1998 are not completely representative of what was happening in music - they need to be supplemented with airplay charts.

Two good examples of this 'chart game" is:

1) Jewel's YWMFM single, which also had the album version of FG on the CD: YWMFM charted and stayed on chart for months; FG was remixed for a soundtrack and released to radio, but was ineligible to chart until someone pointed out to Billboard that FG was on the long-deleted YWMFM single, therefore it could chart as part of "double-sided" single. Atlantic didn't manufacture more singles, so FG's Billboard chart points were completely based on airplay, but it still managed to hit the Top 10.

2) Alanis' YL and YOK. YOK was not released as a physical single and did not chart, but when YL was issued as a limited physical single a year later as the FOURTH single from JLP, it included a 'live Grammy' version of YOK, resulting in double-sided #6 hit on H100.

[badrobot]

Of the 5 acts who are on the 2 longest running #1s, there is only one act who is not on equal footing: Justin Bieber. He is only a "featured" artist, and in fact is not even on the original version of Despacito -- meaning a significant minority of plays/purchases of the song do not feature him.

Mariah, Boyz, Luis, and Daddy all have equal co-lead billing and should all get equal credit for their achievements.

[Someone]

simmnfierzig's updated predictions

1 Look What You Made Me Do 1.064 (+76) (388k sales, 70M airplay, 75M streams)
2 Despacito 462 (-1)
3 Bodak Yellow 382 (=)
4 Wild Thoughts 348 (-2)
5 Attention 293 (=)
6 Believer 284 (-2)
7 There's Nothing Holdin Me Back 275 (=)
8 Unforgettable 272 (-2)
9 1-800-273-8255 241 (+20)
10 Rake It Up 229 (=)
11 Strip That Down 227 (=)
12 Humble 227 (+7)
13 Shape Of You 226 (-4)
14 That's What I Like 221 (-6)
15 Slow Hands 221 (-1)
16 Bank Account 216 (-4)
17 Sorry Not Sorry 214 (+1)
18 Body Like A Back Road 198 (-5)
19 XO Tour Lif3 190 (+6)
20 Feel It Still 185 (+3)

21 Congratulations 180 (-6)
22 Feels 178 (=)
23 Mi Gente 168 (+1)
24 Something Just Like This 167 (-3)
25 I'm The One 163 (-9)
26 Redbone 159 (-9)
27 Praying 157 (+1)
28 What About Us 149 (+7)
29 Location 148 (-3)
30 Stay 148 (-3)
31 Friends 137 (-11)
32 Jocelyn Flores 136 (debut)
33 Say You Won't Let Go 133 (-2)
34 Loyalty 129 (-2)
35 Young Dumb & Broke 128 (+6)
36 Love Galore 121 (-3)
37 Small Town Boy 121 (-1)
38 Mask Off 119 (-8)
39 What Ifs 110 (-1)
40 No Promises 109 (-1)

41 I Get The Bag 106 (-7)
42 It Ain't Me 104 (-5)
43 The Way Life Goes 104 (debut)
44 **** Love 102 (debut)
45 Thunder 100 (+14)
46 No Such Thing As A Broken Heart 98 (+4)
47 Swish Swish 96 (re-entry)
48 It's A Vibe 91 (-4)
49 Silence 87 (+3)
50 Do Re Mi 84 (+4)
51 Sauce It Up 84 (debut)
52 Roll In Peace 84 (+1)
53 Everybody Dies In Their Nightmares 83 (debut)
54 Crew 83 (-3)
55 Fetish 83 (=)
56 Heartache On The Dance Floor 81 (=)
57 When It Rains It Pours 81 (+1)
58 Magnolia 80 (-11)
59 The Race 80 (-10)
60 444+222 79 (debut)

61 Back To You 74 (-1)
62 Butterfly Effect 74 (-5)
63 DNA 72 (+2)
64 Transportin' 71 (+18)
65 Drinkin Problem 71 (-20)
66 Felices Los 4 69 (-5)
67 New Rules 68 (+7)
68 The Weekend 67 (+4)
69 Unforgettable Thomas Rhett 67 (-2)
70 What Lovers Do 66 (debut)
71 Escapate Conmingo 66 (-8)
72 Whatever You Need 66 (-8)
73 All The Pretty Girls 65 (+3)
74 Glorious 64 (-6)
75 Revenge 64 (debut)
76 Versace On The Floor 64 (-34)
77 Do I Make You Wanna 61 (-11)
78 Light It Up 60 (debut)
79 B.E.D. 58 (-4)
80 Save Me 58 (debut)

81 X 57 (debut)
82 Carry On 56 (debut)
83 My Girl 55 (-5)
84 Depression & Obsession 54 (debut)
85 Tell Me You Love Me 54 (debut)
86 They Don't Know 53 (=)
87 Love 53 (-16)
88 Havana 51 (+6)
89 Most Girls 51 (-19)
90 Every Little Thing 50 (-6)
91 Wish I Knew You 49 (-6)
92 More Girls Like You 48 (-3)
93 Questions 48 (-3)
94 For Her 47 (-2)
95 It Ain't My Fault 47 (-12)
96 Somebody Else Will 45 (-27)
97 Greatest Love Story 45 (debut)
98 Walk On Water 44 (debut)
99 Relationship 44 (-1)
100 Something New 43 (debut)

Others

I Could Use A Love Song 40
Down 40
Malibu 39
He Like That 38
You Already Know 38
Honest 36

[Mattress]

Sept 1, 2017 16:37:09 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Sept 1, 2017 15:44:02 GMT -5 85la said:

I don't know much about deleted singles, but it's my understanding that Mariah was far from the only one who did this. Since we're on this topic, what does it mean to "delete" a single anyway? Does it mean the label stops manufacturing any new copies, or do they pull all copies from store shelves, making it completely unavailable for sale?

Mariah was not the only one - by far, but Columbia made her one of the first because they knew she could sell albums with radio hits. Once the trend caught on and Billboard failed to respond for years, labels started to issue certain singles on a limited basis (manufacture very few copies) because the song could chart since it had a physical release and continue to chart on airplay points with zero sales. The Billboard H100 charts from 1992-1998 are not completely representative of what was happening in music - they need to be supplemented with airplay charts.

Two good examples of this 'chart game" is:

1) Jewel's YWMFM single, which also had the album version of FG on the CD: YWMFM charted and stayed on chart for months; FG was remixed for a soundtrack and released to radio, but was ineligible to chart until someone pointed out to Billboard that FG was on the long-deleted YWMFM single, therefore it could chart as part of "double-sided" single. Atlantic didn't manufacture more singles, so FG's Billboard chart points were completely based on airplay, but it still managed to hit the Top 10.

...

Actually, Atlantic DID manufacture more "You Were Meant For Me" singles in the US, going so far as to include the hit remix of "Foolish Games" as an unlisted third track during its chart run!

They also affixed a new hype sticker to the cover of the second pressing that prominently mentions the inclusion of "Foolish Games":

[felipe]

Am I the only one upset that Taylor released a song this weak and stopped Despacito from breaking the record it was clearly going to?

[Golden Bluebird]

Sept 1, 2017 16:38:22 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Of the 5 acts who are on the 2 longest running #1s, there is only one act who is not on equal footing: Justin Bieber. He is only a "featured" artist, and in fact is not even on the original version of Despacito -- meaning a significant minority of plays/purchases of the song do not feature him.

Mariah, Boyz, Luis, and Daddy all have equal co-lead billing and should all get equal credit for their achievements.

It's worth noting that for the original version of Despacito, Daddy Yankee is credited as a featured artist.

[flextamcsignals]

Sept 1, 2017 17:25:45 GMT -5 felipe said:

Am I the only one upset that Taylor released a song this weak and stopped Despacito from breaking the record it was clearly going to?

I'm upset too. A chance for chart history and Taylor ruins it with a song that's mediocre at best. Couldn't she have waited one more week?

[Az Paynter]

#StayMad :sip2:

[badrobot]

Sept 1, 2017 17:26:52 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Sept 1, 2017 16:38:22 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Of the 5 acts who are on the 2 longest running #1s, there is only one act who is not on equal footing: Justin Bieber. He is only a "featured" artist, and in fact is not even on the original version of Despacito -- meaning a significant minority of plays/purchases of the song do not feature him.

Mariah, Boyz, Luis, and Daddy all have equal co-lead billing and should all get equal credit for their achievements.

It's worth noting that for the original version of Despacito, Daddy Yankee is credited as a featured artist.

Good call, I didn't realize this since they use an & on the Hot 100.

[Golden Bluebird]

Sept 1, 2017 17:45:12 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Sept 1, 2017 17:26:52 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

It's worth noting that for the original version of Despacito, Daddy Yankee is credited as a featured artist.

Good call, I didn't realize this since they use an & on the Hot 100.

The & is for the remix version where it is credited as "Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee featuring Justin Bieber" but for the original, it's "Luis Fonsi featuring Daddy Yankee".

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I'm not a fan of Taylor, but i'm glad she did that. It's a smart move, Look What You Made Me Do always will be remembered as a song that stopped Despacito from the record. There were hundreds of songs that deserved more this record.

[forg]

Sept 1, 2017 17:56:49 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I'm not a fan of Taylor, but i'm glad she did that. It's a smart move, Look What You Made Me Do always will be remembered as a song that stopped Despacito from the record. There were hundreds of songs that deserved more this record.

Well for chart geeks and Mariah fans for sure but the song will likely be remembered by other people not because of that. Maybe it will be remembered for the music video, the "Old Taylor Swift is dead" lyric or simply the publicity and polarizing reactions it generated

[garrettlen]

Sept 1, 2017 17:56:49 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I'm not a fan of Taylor, but i'm glad she did that. It's a smart move, Look What You Made Me Do always will be remembered as a song that stopped Despacito from the record. There were hundreds of songs that deserved more this record.

The song that deserves the record is the song that has enough points for enough weeks to obtain the record for themselves.

It obviously won't be "Despacito", but I predict someone else will challenge the record again; sooner rather than later, and with any luck, maybe they won't have

the bad luck of having to deal with a major artist's first single release from their new album either.

[Choco]

Yeah, soon enough another contender will rise. The current chart rules make it easier than it was in the 90s.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Sept 1, 2017 18:15:54 GMT -5 forg said:

Sept 1, 2017 17:56:49 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I'm not a fan of Taylor, but i'm glad she did that. It's a smart move, Look What You Made Me Do always will be remembered as a song that stopped Despacito from the record. There were hundreds of songs that deserved more this record.

Well for chart geeks and Mariah fans for sure but the song will likely be remembered by other people not because of that. Maybe it will be remembered for the music video, the "Old Taylor Swift is dead" lyric or simply the publicity and polarizing reactions it generated

Yeah, i know. But i was talking about chart geeks. Like we always mention "Black Beatles" and "See You Again" we will mention Taylor's song, because number of weeks at number 1 are one of the most imporant record on Billboard. And maybe i'm wrong, but it's too big coincidence to release "Look What You Made Me Do" that day and that week. Only she knows the truth.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Sept 1, 2017 17:03:04 GMT -5 Mattress said:

Sept 1, 2017 16:37:09 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Mariah was not the only one - by far, but Columbia made her one of the first because they knew she could sell albums with radio hits. Once the trend caught on and Billboard failed to respond for years, labels started to issue certain singles on a limited basis (manufacture very few copies) because the song could chart since it had a physical release and continue to chart on airplay points with zero sales. The Billboard H100 charts from 1992-1998 are not completely representative of what was happening in music - they need to be supplemented with airplay charts.

Two good examples of this 'chart game" is:

1) Jewel's YWMFM single, which also had the album version of FG on the CD: YWMFM charted and stayed on chart for months; FG was remixed for a soundtrack and released to radio, but was ineligible to chart until someone pointed out to Billboard that FG was on the long-deleted YWMFM single, therefore it could chart as part of "double-sided" single. Atlantic didn't manufacture more singles, so FG's Billboard chart points were completely based on airplay, but it still managed to hit the Top 10.

...

Actually, Atlantic DID manufacture more "You Were Meant For Me" singles in the US, going so far as to include the hit remix of "Foolish Games" as an unlisted third track during its chart run!

They also affixed a new hype sticker to the cover of the second pressing that prominently mentions the inclusion of "Foolish Games":

I had no idea - very cool! I'm assuming it was a limited release - those were the days when I was in Minneapolis and there were a big record store in SkyWay that I'd check out at least 2x+ a week after lunch. When I think of how many hours I used to spend in multiple record stores - esp looking for OOP and imports - back in the day....

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Sept 1, 2017 18:23:55 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Sept 1, 2017 17:56:49 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

I'm not a fan of Taylor, but i'm glad she did that. It's a smart move, Look What You Made Me Do always will be remembered as a song that stopped Despacito from the record. There were hundreds of songs that deserved more this record.

The song that deserves the record is the song that has enough points for enough weeks to obtain the record for themselves.

It obviously won't be "Despacito", but I predict someone else will challenge the record again; sooner rather than later, and with any luck, maybe they won't have

the bad luck of having to deal with a major artist's first single release from their new album either.

Well, in the past year, 3 songs had at least 12 weeks. It's only a matter of time.

[forg]

I'm glad we now have 2 16-week #1 than having another 14 week #1 lol

[Deleted]

Very random, but this decade 10 songs got 10/12/14/16 weeks at #1 but 0 songs got 11/13/15/17

[garrettlen]

Sept 1, 2017 19:12:33 GMT -5 forg said:

I'm glad we now have 2 16-week #1 than having another 14 week #1 lol

But we still don't have a 15 week #1.  :(

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Sept 1, 2017 19:38:51 GMT -5 @pete said:

Very random, but this decade 10 songs got 10/12/14/16 weeks at #1 but 0 songs got 11/13/15/17

In 2000s, 11 songs got 10/12/14 at #1, but only Independent Women got 11 weeks. So, Independent Women is the only song this century with an odd number over ten weeks.

[forg]

It is a little anticlimactic that someone widely expected to be #1 beats Despacito. It's more fun if a song that came out of nowhere do that ala See You Again and Black Beatles (even Jay Sean's Down ending Black Eyed Peas' 26 week run at #1)

[jenglisbe]

Sept 1, 2017 17:25:45 GMT -5 felipe said:

Am I the only one upset that Taylor released a song this weak and stopped Despacito from breaking the record it was clearly going to?

Well, Swift could have released it a week earlier and prevented "Despacito" from even tying the record...

[jenglisbe]

Sept 1, 2017 15:44:02 GMT -5 85la said:

Sept 1, 2017 12:44:21 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mariah has a whole history of deleted and/or limited singles. You can add "Fantasy," "Heartbreaker" and "Thank God I Found You" to the ones we've already named. I wonder how many more weeks at #1 she would have otherwise (but then her album sales may not have been as strong).

I don't know much about deleted singles, but it's my understanding that Mariah was far from the only one who did this. Since we're on this topic, what does it mean to "delete" a single anyway? Does it mean the label stops manufacturing any new copies, or do they pull all copies from store shelves, making it completely unavailable for sale?

As has been said, other artists definitely had limited/deleted singles. Sony in particular was big on this, so another example of a deleted single is "Because You Loved Me." And, yes, a 'deleted' single means they stop pressing new copies to send to stores despite there being demand. A 'limited' single is where they only make so many copies to start with, and they don't plan to make more.

[.It'sGriffin]

Watch Humble. reenter the top 10...

[85la]

^ how would that happen?

[Bhad Bill]

Aug 31, 2017 20:39:11 GMT -5 MilesW1998 said:

Aug 31, 2017 20:38:13 GMT -5 Oprah said:

Does this herald some sort of dark alliance between Taylor Swift stans and the lambs?

Lol nope.

Aw, you're no fun.

It is nice to see female pop star fandoms united for once. That rarely happens!