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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2017 1:17:26 GMT -5
Poor Despacito, it was never a hit we wished it would be.
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Post by chartPredictor on Sept 1, 2017 2:44:06 GMT -5
It actually bothers me quite much how everybody views the records as being Mariah's. The record was never hers, it was shared by her and Boyz 2 Men (who have more 10wk+ number ones than she does) . Now it is shared by luis fonsi, daddy yankee, and justin bieber as well. Stop calling it Mariah's record.
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Post by Kologne on Sept 1, 2017 5:49:52 GMT -5
It actually bothers me quite much how everybody views the records as being Mariah's. The record was never hers, it was shared by her and Boyz 2 Men (who have more 10wk+ number ones than she does) . Now it is shared by luis fonsi, daddy yankee, and justin bieber as well. Stop calling it Mariah's record. I agree ! But if you consider that they have more 10wks+ number ones, can we also consider that she has more 8wk+ number ones than they do, or that they got only 4 #1 during the 90's while Mariah got fucking 14 #1 during that same decade? :|   IMO she was a more reliable guarantee to get a number 1 than they were - I think it would be more relevant to acknowledge that before discussing the longevity of their number one hits. By the way, wasn't OSD crafted for Mariah's Daydream album? In a way, it makes it more her song than theirs from my pov. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 1, 2017 6:53:35 GMT -5
The other #1's are irrelevant.
One Sweet Day is what we are talking about.
Mariah has more #1's overall, more 8+ weeks #1's etc. Irrelevant, so what? We are talking about one song only, not the others.
That does not make One Sweet Day a Mariah song or more of a Mariah song than that other group.
One Sweet Day was co-written by Mariah and Boyz II Men, so they SHARE credit at the writing level too.
However, this is Pulse. Ignore or disregard everything not done by a female pop star - LOL
Mariah NEVER had this record all to herself, HOWEVER, Boyz II Men did.
Boyz II Men held the record until it was broken by Whitney Houston and later tied again by Boyz II Men.
Boyz II Men (w Mariah) breaks the record again
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 1, 2017 6:58:08 GMT -5
It's Daddy Yankee's record now. Fuck the rest.
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Post by MilesW1998 on Sept 1, 2017 6:58:34 GMT -5
The other #1's are irrelevant. One Sweet Day is what we are talking about. Mariah has more #1's overall, more 8+ weeks #1's etc. Irrelevant, so what? We are talking about one song only, not the others. That does not make One Sweet Day a Mariah song or more of a Mariah song than that other group. One Sweet Day was co-written by Mariah and Boyz II Men, so they SHARE credit at the writing level too. However, this is Pulse. Ignore or disregard everything not done by a female pop star - LOL Mariah NEVER had this record all to herself, HOWEVER, Boyz II Men did. Boyz II Men held the record until it was broken by Whitney Houston and later tied again by Boyz II Men. Boyz II Men (w Mariah) breaks the record again And now they have to share the record with a Latin artist no one ever heard of before this, a pretty well known Latin hip-hop artist that has had a few minor hits, and who is possibly one of the most polarizing pop figures that somehow continues to get even more success than was ever thought possible. |
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Post by garrettlen on Sept 1, 2017 7:08:17 GMT -5
Oh well, they still have to live with the fact that it's sharing the title of longest #1. She's still there and the 1st to do it. That's the point. She and them (Mariah & Boyz II Men). |
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Post by Gary on Sept 1, 2017 7:15:52 GMT -5
The other #1's are irrelevant. One Sweet Day is what we are talking about. Mariah has more #1's overall, more 8+ weeks #1's etc. Irrelevant, so what? We are talking about one song only, not the others. That does not make One Sweet Day a Mariah song or more of a Mariah song than that other group. One Sweet Day was co-written by Mariah and Boyz II Men, so they SHARE credit at the writing level too. However, this is Pulse. Ignore or disregard everything not done by a female pop star - LOL Mariah NEVER had this record all to herself, HOWEVER, Boyz II Men did. Boyz II Men held the record until it was broken by Whitney Houston and later tied again by Boyz II Men. Boyz II Men (w Mariah) breaks the record again And now they have to share the record with a Latin artist no one ever heard of before this, a pretty well known Latin hip-hop artist that has had a few minor hits, and who is possibly one of the most polarizing pop figures that somehow continues to get even more success than was ever thought possible. No one ever heard of Luis Fonsi before because they are not looking in the right spot, he is one the biggest artists on the Latin chart with now 7 #1 hits (In the 2015 Greatest Of All Time lists - he ranked #41, probably much higher now) |
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Post by mrricx on Sept 1, 2017 7:29:43 GMT -5
Too much fuss over something so stupid.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 1, 2017 7:29:49 GMT -5
And now they have to share the record with a Latin artist no one ever heard of before this, a pretty well known Latin hip-hop artist that has had a few minor hits, and who is possibly one of the most polarizing pop figures that somehow continues to get even more success than was ever thought possible. LMAO The irrelevance. Wish Daniel Powter had the record instead of Mimi so we wouldn't have posts like these |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Sept 1, 2017 8:24:43 GMT -5
New #1. kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format so their updates are completely incorrect Overall AI (Top 20) - 2017/09/011. (+1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (174.478) (+0.102) 2. (+1) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (174.306) (-0.011) 3. (-2) DJ KHALED F/RIHANNA/B. TILLER - Wild Thoughts (173.305) (-2.549) *** 4. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Believer (159.105) (-0.257) 5. (=) LUIS FONSI - Despacito f/Daddy Yankee (128.254) (-2.635) 6. (+1) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (117.457) (+1.610) 7. (-1) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (117.436) (-0.662) 8. (=) BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like (113.523) (+0.068) 9. (+1) FRENCH MONTANA - Unforgettable f/Swae Lee (108.872) (-0.295) *** 10. (-1) SAM HUNT - Body Like A Back Road (108.013) (-1.476) 11. (+3) TAYLOR SWIFT - Look What You Made Me Do (106.565) (+11.306) 12. (-1) ZEDD & ALESSIA CARA - Stay (106.351) (-1.179) 13. (-1) THE CHAINSMOKERS & COLDPLAY - Something Just Like This (101.615) (-0.237) 14. (-1) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (97.399) (+1.520) 15. (=) CHILDISH GAMBINO - Redbone (78.301) (-1.326) 16. (+2) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (76.713) (+1.367) 17. (=) CALVIN HARRIS - Feels f/Pharrell/Katy/Big Sean (75.896) (+0.328) 18. (-2) JAMES ARTHUR - Say You Won't Let Go (75.650) (-0.815) 19. (=) KYGO X SELENA GOMEZ - It Ain't Me (72.844) (-0.228) 20. (=) OLD DOMINION - No Such Thing As A Broken Heart (67.736) (+0.615) Others: 21. (=) DUSTIN LYNCH - Small Town Boy (67.228) (+1.476) 22. (=) CARDI B - Bodak Yellow (65.809) (+1.456) 25. (=) P!NK - What About Us (54.358) (+1.086) 26. (+3) JON PARDI - Heartache On The Dance Floor (52.308) (+1.159) 28. (+4) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOYALTY. f/ Rihanna (50.913) (+1.907) 33. (+2) JASON ALDEAN - They Don't Know (49.093) (+1.162) 37. (+3) KENNY CHESNEY - All The Pretty Girls (47.986) (+1.415) 47. (=) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (40.698) (+1.159) 55. (+3) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (34.478) (+1.063) 68. (+3) THOMAS RHETT - Unforgettable (29.340) (+1.035) |
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Post by DenverGuy on Sept 1, 2017 10:18:08 GMT -5
"OSD" also didn't get the benefit of chart weeks climbing to #1 because of chart rules at the time. It had top 2 airplay before it ever debuted, so under the late 90s chart rules it would have debuted earlier and added extra weeks to its chart run. Additionally, my understanding is the commercial single was deleted at a certain point, so that also led to its somewhat quick descent. Additionally, its airplay at R&B radio didn't count toward its Hot 100 run; so, again, under current chart rules it would have had even better airplay because of its multi-format success. It might have had more weeks at #1, or at least more weeks on the chart under current rules. In other words, there are a lot of factors. You nailed it. Mariah's record company stopped shipping OSD singles to focus on the 10x platinum album. The song could have been #1 20 weeks probably. All good points - and what also hasn't been mentioned here is that One Sweet Day was release (and was at #1 for multiple weeks) in 1995. So it's chart points were split between two separate chart years, something that none of these other songs has had. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 1, 2017 10:19:08 GMT -5
You nailed it. Mariah's record company stopped shipping OSD singles to focus on the 10x platinum album. The song could have been #1 20 weeks probably. All good points - and what also hasn't been mentioned here is that One Sweet Day was release (and was at #1 for multiple weeks) in 1995. So it's chart points were split between two separate chart years, something that none of these other songs has had. All chart points were 1996 #1 Debut 12/2/1995 the first chart week of 1996 |
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Post by DenverGuy on Sept 1, 2017 10:19:49 GMT -5
New #1. kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format so their updates are completely incorrect Overall AI (Top 20) - 2017/09/011. (+1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (174.478) (+0.102) 2. (+1) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (174.306) (-0.011) 3. (-2) DJ KHALED F/RIHANNA/B. TILLER - Wild Thoughts (173.305) (-2.549) *** 4. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Believer (159.105) (-0.257) 5. (=) LUIS FONSI - Despacito f/Daddy Yankee (128.254) (-2.635) 6. (+1) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (117.457) (+1.610) 7. (-1) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (117.436) (-0.662) 8. (=) BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like (113.523) (+0.068) 9. (+1) FRENCH MONTANA - Unforgettable f/Swae Lee (108.872) (-0.295) *** 10. (-1) SAM HUNT - Body Like A Back Road (108.013) (-1.476) 11. (+3) TAYLOR SWIFT - Look What You Made Me Do (106.565) (+11.306) 12. (-1) ZEDD & ALESSIA CARA - Stay (106.351) (-1.179) 13. (-1) THE CHAINSMOKERS & COLDPLAY - Something Just Like This (101.615) (-0.237) 14. (-1) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (97.399) (+1.520) 15. (=) CHILDISH GAMBINO - Redbone (78.301) (-1.326) 16. (+2) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (76.713) (+1.367) 17. (=) CALVIN HARRIS - Feels f/Pharrell/Katy/Big Sean (75.896) (+0.328) 18. (-2) JAMES ARTHUR - Say You Won't Let Go (75.650) (-0.815) 19. (=) KYGO X SELENA GOMEZ - It Ain't Me (72.844) (-0.228) 20. (=) OLD DOMINION - No Such Thing As A Broken Heart (67.736) (+0.615) Others: 21. (=) DUSTIN LYNCH - Small Town Boy (67.228) (+1.476) 22. (=) CARDI B - Bodak Yellow (65.809) (+1.456) 25. (=) P!NK - What About Us (54.358) (+1.086) 26. (+3) JON PARDI - Heartache On The Dance Floor (52.308) (+1.159) 28. (+4) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOYALTY. f/ Rihanna (50.913) (+1.907) 33. (+2) JASON ALDEAN - They Don't Know (49.093) (+1.162) 37. (+3) KENNY CHESNEY - All The Pretty Girls (47.986) (+1.415) 47. (=) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (40.698) (+1.159) 55. (+3) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (34.478) (+1.063) 68. (+3) THOMAS RHETT - Unforgettable (29.340) (+1.035) Shawn Mendes has the most played song, ehhhhh?? Hmmmm. And a nice slight move up for French Montana, even if it is just getting bumped around. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 10:34:14 GMT -5
The gap between 1 and 2 (even 3) on radio must be the smallest ever
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 1, 2017 10:48:53 GMT -5
"OSD" also didn't get the benefit of chart weeks climbing to #1 because of chart rules at the time. It had top 2 airplay before it ever debuted, so under the late 90s chart rules it would have debuted earlier and added extra weeks to its chart run. Additionally, my understanding is the commercial single was deleted at a certain point, so that also led to its somewhat quick descent. Additionally, its airplay at R&B radio didn't count toward its Hot 100 run; so, again, under current chart rules it would have had even better airplay because of its multi-format success. It might have had more weeks at #1, or at least more weeks on the chart under current rules. In other words, there are a lot of factors. You nailed it. Mariah's record company stopped shipping OSD singles to focus on the 10x platinum album. The song could have been #1 20 weeks probably.I wouldn't go that far; it was replaced by "Because You Loved Me," which had strong airplay and sales, too. The point is more that there are always a lot of factors with every song's chart run, and while the speculation can be fun, it's ultimately just that...speculation. At the end of the day, both "One Sweet Day" and "Despacito" were #1 for 16 weeks, and they share the record. I will note that the week "OSD" hit 16 weeks at #1, the Hot 100 column noted its lack of challengers and essentially predicted a 17th week at #1. It then fell to #5 the next week. I'd imagine (so again, speculation) that was due to Sony stopping making the commercial single, and thus sales fell harder than predicted. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 1, 2017 10:50:13 GMT -5
^Yeah, so my prediction that Attention would reach #1 in radio audience came true. If Look What You Made Me Do doesn't get much of a correction from today's airplay in tomm, it could end up as high as #5 in Radio Songs next week.
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2017 11:56:59 GMT -5
 @ Despacito's airplay probably being below Shape of You's by this time next week. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 1, 2017 12:05:16 GMT -5
"OSD" also didn't get the benefit of chart weeks climbing to #1 because of chart rules at the time. It had top 2 airplay before it ever debuted, so under the late 90s chart rules it would have debuted earlier and added extra weeks to its chart run. Additionally, my understanding is the commercial single was deleted at a certain point, so that also led to its somewhat quick descent. Additionally, its airplay at R&B radio didn't count toward its Hot 100 run; so, again, under current chart rules it would have had even better airplay because of its multi-format success. It might have had more weeks at #1, or at least more weeks on the chart under current rules. In other words, there are a lot of factors. You nailed it. Mariah's record company stopped shipping OSD singles to focus on the 10x platinum album. The song could have been #1 20 weeks probably. Yes, the dreaded deleted singles - Columbia did that with CLG, which kept it from #1, and then deleted IBT, so that people would have to buy Unplugged. Ironically, all of these deleted singles, airplay only track, etc. to force people to buy albums resulted in Napster, etc. so there's justice in that. |
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2017 12:10:40 GMT -5
It was an understandable tactic at the time, but in the long run I think all the album filler you had to purchase to get a single song helped kill sales as well.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 1, 2017 12:44:21 GMT -5
You nailed it. Mariah's record company stopped shipping OSD singles to focus on the 10x platinum album. The song could have been #1 20 weeks probably. Yes, the dreaded deleted singles - Columbia did that with CLG, which kept it from #1, and then deleted IBT, so that people would have to buy Unplugged. Ironically, all of these deleted singles, airplay only track, etc. to force people to buy albums resulted in Napster, etc. so there's justice in that. Mariah has a whole history of deleted and/or limited singles. You can add "Fantasy," "Heartbreaker" and "Thank God I Found You" to the ones we've already named. I wonder how many more weeks at #1 she would have otherwise (but then her album sales may not have been as strong). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 12:46:37 GMT -5
"One Sweet Day", which by the way is a really dragging record, was released as the second single from Mariah Carey´s fifth album and it was not on Boyz 2 Men´s album, so that´s why it´s considered more as Mariah´s song than Boyz 2 Men´s one. But I really skip this song on radio or album as I do "Despacito".
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Sept 1, 2017 12:52:38 GMT -5
It honestly doesn't matter. It's Mariah's record. It's Boyz II Men's record. It's Luis Fonsi's record. Daddy Yankee's record. Justin Bieber's record. Or both belongs to them collectively and individually.
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Post by Gary on Sept 1, 2017 12:58:14 GMT -5
"One Sweet Day", which by the way is a really dragging record, was released as the second single from Mariah Carey´s fifth album and it was not on Boyz 2 Men´s album, so that´s why it´s considered more as Mariah´s song than Boyz 2 Men´s one. But I really skip this song on radio or album as I do "Despacito". It is considered more Mariah's song only by people whose narrow view of music is limited to female pop stars. So when there is an actual collaboration such as this, when the song is played, the female voice comes through loud and clear, they may hear another voice on the record but will ignore it or not know who it is because clearly, "the average listener" whose 'musical ear' is only tuned to female pop music, will do that - LOL |
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Post by inverse on Sept 1, 2017 14:18:08 GMT -5
And now they have to share the record with a Latin artist no one ever heard of before this, a pretty well known Latin hip-hop artist that has had a few minor hits, and who is possibly one of the most polarizing pop figures that somehow continues to get even more success than was ever thought possible. LMAO The irrelevance. Wish Daniel Powter had the record instead of Mimi so we wouldn't have posts like these |
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Post by inverse on Sept 1, 2017 14:21:37 GMT -5
Also sorry for the double post but I still think not enough attention is being given to the fact that we have ANOTHER record IN PROGRESS right now. And not a tied record either, Shape Of You just got the 33rd week in the top 10 and nobody's been talking at all about whether or not it's gonna stay in the top 10 or what. All you peeps complaining about a tied record really should be focusing more on this because it just broke the tied record between Closer and How Do I Live. I know it's being knocked down by one spot by Taylor but beyond that is Strip That Down, Rake It Up, or Bank Account a challenger?
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 1, 2017 14:31:54 GMT -5
Also sorry for the double post but I still think not enough attention is being given to the fact that we have ANOTHER record IN PROGRESS right now. And not a tied record either, Shape Of You just got the 33rd week in the top 10 and nobody's been talking at all about whether or not it's gonna stay in the top 10 or what. All you peeps complaining about a tied record really should be focusing more on this because it just broke the tied record between Closer and How Do I Live. I know it's being knocked down by one spot by Taylor but beyond that is Strip That Down, Rake It Up, or Bank Account a challenger? It's being overshadowed because the top 10 record has been flirted with more often and more recently; within the past two years "Uptown Funk" was 1 week shy of tying the record, within the past year "Closer" did tie the record, and now "Shape of You" set a new record. At the same time, nothing has been within a week of the record for weeks at #1 (much less tied it) in the past 21 years. So, that alone makes the #1s record more notable. Plus, in general people/media are more hyped about #1s than weeks in the top 10. That is only to give an explanation. It's obviously truly impressive that "Shape of You" has been able to stay in the top 10 for 8 months now. |
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Post by Kologne on Sept 1, 2017 14:35:38 GMT -5
"One Sweet Day", which by the way is a really dragging record, was released as the second single from Mariah Carey´s fifth album and it was not on Boyz 2 Men´s album, so that´s why it´s considered more as Mariah´s song than Boyz 2 Men´s one. But I really skip this song on radio or album as I do "Despacito". It is considered more Mariah's song only by people whose narrow view of music is limited to female pop stars. So when there is an actual collaboration such as this, when the song is played, the female voice comes through loud and clear, they may hear another voice on the record but will ignore it or not know who it is because clearly, "the average listener" whose 'musical ear' is only tuned to female pop music, will do that - LOL  ...Well I guess that you posted earlier just after one of my posts, so I think I can jump into the discussion and correct you : I really don't care if the singer is male or female. For example, I would think that Stay is more Zedd's single than Alessia's, and they seem to be both equaly credited, she's a female and the only vocalist. Right? So let's not jump right on these generalisations, that's dumb  After all, we all have subjective pov when it comes to what criterion are relevant when it comes to give credit - even you! If being credited on a song determines the fact that you deserve credit for its achievements, then how about songs like Hey Mama or Right Round which do not credit either Bebe Rexha or Ke$ha? |
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Post by Glove Slap on Sept 1, 2017 14:42:34 GMT -5
I would think that Stay is more Zedd's single than Alessia's Then you would be wrong, because they get equal billing. If acts get equal billing, then they split equally. It's not a difficult concept to understand. Everything else people have been going on about (who had more hits, what was on who's album, etc.) is worthless stan semantics. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 1, 2017 14:47:38 GMT -5
It is considered more Mariah's song only by people whose narrow view of music is limited to female pop stars. So when there is an actual collaboration such as this, when the song is played, the female voice comes through loud and clear, they may hear another voice on the record but will ignore it or not know who it is because clearly, "the average listener" whose 'musical ear' is only tuned to female pop music, will do that - LOL ...Well I guess that you posted earlier just after one of my posts, so I think I can jump into the discussion and correct you : I really don't care if the singer is male or female. For example, I would think that Stay is more Zedd's single than Alessia's, and they seem to be both equaly credited, she's a female and the only vocalist. Right? So let's not jump right on these generalisations, that's dumb After all, we all have subjective pov when it comes to what criterion are relevant when it comes to give credit - even you! If being credited on a song determines the fact that you deserve credit for its achievements, then how about songs like Hey Mama or Right Round which do not credit either Bebe Rexha or Ke$ha? My post was sarcasm, in reaction to numerous attempts to correct people that One Sweet Day was NOT a Mariah solo record just because Boyz II Men has fewer overall #1 hits or "the average listener thinks" or whatever The whole discussion about whose song 'One Sweet Day' really is, hurts my brain. To me, the answer is obvious. |
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