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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 12, 2017 16:27:48 GMT -5
Those numbers are ok but I don't think that's enough to debut that high on Hot 100 then simmnfierzig at ATRL: Early predictions 1 Look What You Made Me Do 459 (=) 2 Bodak Yellow 378 (=) 3 1-800-273-8255 359 (+2) 4 Despacito 350 (-1) 5 Too Good At Goodbyes 321 (debut) 6 Wild Thoughts 275 (=) 7 Believer 267 (+1) 8 Attention 258 (-1) 9 Unforgettable 247 (=) 10 Strip That Down 238 (+4) 11 There's Nothing Holdin Me Back 226 (-1) 12 Sorry Not Sorry 225 (+1) 13 Bank Account 224 (-1) 14 Slow Hands 222 (+1) 15 Feel It Still 217 (+3) 16 Rake It Up 216 (-5) 21 Ready For It 180 (-17) 24 Dusk Till Dawn 173 (debut) 56 Love So Soft 90 (debut) 80 Swish Swish (-25) 95 Let Me Go 42 (debut) |
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 12, 2017 16:31:16 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been said but I think on top of the way we consume music affecting how quickly we get it, we also have much more choice now. For example, when I was younger (I'm only 19 but) the only way I could listen to the songs I liked was by buying the CD (namely Now That's What I Call Music), requesting it on a music channel or hoping to catch it on the radio. I didn't get broadband until 2007/2008 or so, so before then I couldn't just look up a song. However, this also meant I generally only knew about songs from the radio, TV or that a friend would tell me about. Now with Spotify (granted I don't have it but in general), you are not 'forced' to only know the biggest stars, you can listen to a random indie artist from the middle of nowhere in Australia with ten true fans who happened to upload their music to Spotify, and so completely ignore all of the big acts. Did you followed music and bought cds when you were 8? Although I didn't start following the charts until 2014, I have been buying music since 2005/2006 (the Black Eyed Peas were the first/one of the first bands I 'stanned' for, and that started just before/after Monkey Business came out). I can remember the struggle of trying to find somewhere to watch the music video for Don't Lie. I used to buy CD singles which had the music videos on them, but I could never find the one for Don't Lie (I remember getting the CDs for Let's Get It Started, My Humps, Pump It and Where Is The Love - I also had DVD Behind The Bridge to Elephunk). I remember the relief the day we got Real Player and how great if felt to be able to watch the Don't Lie video online  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 16:39:19 GMT -5
Those numbers are ok but I don't think that's enough to debut that high on Hot 100 then simmnfierzig at ATRL: Early predictions 5 Too Good At Goodbyes 321 (debut) I believe that, but I don't think he used 75k sales and 15m streams... that's "only" about 200 points |
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Post by Gary on Sept 12, 2017 16:56:36 GMT -5
The only real differences in options bewteen now and 11 years ago was streaming. 11 years ago in 2006, although stores were rapidly shrinking, they still existed and as today, CD sales were on rapid decline. Even today if you look hard enough, physical CDs are stll available for purchase. The format of consumption in 2006 showing the biggest growth was digital downloads, on basically many of the same services as today. Streaming was available 10+ years ago to a degree. I was using Napster in college in the first half of the 00s. I know it has really developed since then, but my point is more that even that type of listening (along with CDs, mp3s, radio, etc) was available 10-15 years ago. Posting on this site 10+ years ago, I remember discussions about illegal downloads, iTunes and physical CDs Not a lot of streaming services In any case we are both saying the same thing. Music consumption choices have not changed much in 10 years. Which "choice" is more dominant has certainly changed but for the most part, the choices haven't |
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 12, 2017 17:00:24 GMT -5
Over a year ago I was surprised to see that there were nostalgia pieces about about High School Musical and Hannah Montana already and then I realized they are 10 years old! Lea Michelle recently tweeted about Glee premiering 8 years ago, remember how that show dominated the charts every single episode lol. Time flies so fast To further the previous discussion: HSM was universally ridiculed 10 years ago, and "old people" were always trashing it and saying how much better the Mickey Mouse Club was. Now current young adults praise it and talk about how much better everything was 10 years ago. People in a couple years will be talking about the good old days of Bieber and Drake and complaining about whatever the current stars are. I think we all realize that there is some degree of 'nostalgia' to music (and other pop culture items) and thus we like what we grew up on, but that doesn't mean there can't be an objective element, too. I think there is a difference in "favorite" and "best," for one. And while it depends what you want out of music and I don't judge anyone for what they like, I think we can at least recognize some songs are more complex musically and/or lyrically, some songs have a more original sound/production, some songs make more of a statement (and I use "statement" very broadly), etc. As an example, some people might prefer Beyonce's debut album and name it a "favorite," but many of them could still recognize that Lemonade is a better album in terms of its production, its message, its complexity, and so on. To me that's a parallel to comparing decades of music and other topics. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Sept 12, 2017 17:32:16 GMT -5
Most of this discussion is r/lewronggeneration.
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Post by superdroid73 on Sept 12, 2017 17:43:39 GMT -5
So XXXTentacion just released his "video" for Look At Me! Any chance of that re-entering the Hot 100?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 17:50:58 GMT -5
So XXXTentacion just released his "video" for Look At Me! Any chance of that re-entering the Hot 100? I don't not know, but I'm sure most people here would love that to happen!!! |
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Post by fhas on Sept 12, 2017 18:10:40 GMT -5
Kworb's Digital Sales Predictions: 1. Too Good At Goodbyes 94k 2. Look What You Made Me Do 79k 3. 1-800-273-8255 53k 4. Sorry Not Sorry 50k 5. ...Ready For It? 46k 6. Feel It Still 44k 7. Despacito 40k 8. Thunder 40k 9. Strip That Down 37k 10. Dusk Till Dawn 37k kworb.net/cc/ |
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Post by fhas on Sept 12, 2017 18:15:52 GMT -5
^OMG. YouTube and iTunes numbers are terrible for this week. LWYMMD will remain at #1, but with ~45k points. The week I'm The One debuted at #1, HUMBLE. fell to #4 with 46,800 and SOY was #5 with 44,500.
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Post by rainie on Sept 12, 2017 20:07:50 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been said but I think on top of the way we consume music affecting how quickly we get it, we also have much more choice now. For example, when I was younger (I'm only 19 but) the only way I could listen to the songs I liked was by buying the CD (namely Now That's What I Call Music), requesting it on a music channel or hoping to catch it on the radio. I didn't get broadband until 2007/2008 or so, so before then I couldn't just look up a song. However, this also meant I generally only knew about songs from the radio, TV or that a friend would tell me about. Now with Spotify (granted I don't have it but in general), you are not 'forced' to only know the biggest stars, you can listen to a random indie artist from the middle of nowhere in Australia with ten true fans who happened to upload their music to Spotify, and so completely ignore all of the big acts. Did you followed music and bought cds when you were 8? I understand your point about that large variety of options that are available now, and in theory that makes sense. In reality, you take a look at teenagers and it seems they all listen to basically the same acts. Drake, Bieber, Swift, Kendrick... As a teenager, I really disagree with this. Actually, I think the range of artists that people listen to is quite a bit bigger what it seemingly was 10 or 20 years ago. Also oh god, if Look at Me renters and makes the year end because of that I'm gonna barf |
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Post by Suono on Sept 12, 2017 20:42:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 3:52:58 GMT -5
^OMG. YouTube and iTunes numbers are terrible for this week. LWYMMD will remain at #1, but with ~45k points. The week I'm The One debuted at #1, HUMBLE. fell to #4 with 46,800 and SOY was #5 with 44,500. Only 45k? Holy hell, LWYMMD is freefalling FAST. And to think it started with over 100k points a couple weeks ago. I guess the lukewarm reception caught up to the song a bit earlier than I thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 3:55:09 GMT -5
So XXXTentacion just released his "video" for Look At Me! Any chance of that re-entering the Hot 100? It had its 20 weeks. It's gonna need a LOT of views to return. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 13, 2017 7:33:45 GMT -5
^Yeah. Assuming it only had the YouTube video, it would need 16 million weekly views in the U.S. or so to get around 100 points, which is about what's needed to be in the top 50. It has just over 4 million so it won't get there, even assuming all the views are from the U.S., by the end of Thursday's streaming tracking week. We'll see about next week.
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kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format Overall AI (Top 20) - 09/13/20171. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (178.122) (-0.389) 2. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (171.572) (-1.965) *** 3. (=) DJ KHALED F/RIHANNA/B. TILLER - Wild Thoughts (165.290) (-3.689) 4. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Believer (142.269) (-2.326) 5. (=) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (139.188) (+1.973) 6. (+1) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (115.141) (+2.986) *** 7. (-1) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (111.928) (-0.294) 8. (=) FRENCH MONTANA - Unforgettable f/Swae Lee (109.105) (-0.294) *** 9. (=) BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like (106.348) (-1.669) 10. (+2) TAYLOR SWIFT - Look What You Made Me Do (101.728) (+1.906) 11. (-1) LUIS FONSI - Despacito f/Daddy Yankee (100.445) (-3.347) 12. (-1) ZEDD & ALESSIA CARA - Stay (100.365) (-0.731) 13. (+1) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (99.201) (+1.953) 14. (-1) THE CHAINSMOKERS & COLDPLAY - Something Just Like This (98.840) (-0.400) 15. (=) SAM HUNT - Body Like A Back Road (86.624) (-2.843) 16. (=) CARDI B - Bodak Yellow (75.270) (+0.322) 17. (=) DUSTIN LYNCH - Small Town Boy (72.340) (-0.386) 18. (=) JAMES ARTHUR - Say You Won't Let Go (71.656) (-0.459) 19. (+1) P!NK - What About Us (67.360) (+0.919) 20. (-1) KYGO X SELENA GOMEZ - It Ain't Me (65.368) (-1.257) Others: 30. (+3) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (55.420) (+2.938) 42. (+9) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (43.437) (+5.803) 75. (-8) THE REVIVALISTS - Wish I Knew You (25.365) (-4.054) ***
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 13, 2017 8:31:53 GMT -5
^OMG. YouTube and iTunes numbers are terrible for this week. LWYMMD will remain at #1, but with ~45k points. The week I'm The One debuted at #1, HUMBLE. fell to #4 with 46,800 and SOY was #5 with 44,500. Only 45k? Holy hell, LWYMMD is freefalling FAST. And to think it started with over 100k points a couple weeks ago. I guess the lukewarm reception caught up to the song a bit earlier than I thought. I wouldn't call it free falling if it's still going to literally be higher than every other song with that total. That seems to me more like that it's normalizing around the same area as every other top hit of right now, which is a good thing. While the song is not going to be a juggernaut in points, that doesn't mean it's not connecting with people. Instead, the point total at week three shows us that the song is connecting with people, but not at a level any higher than other hits out right now. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 13, 2017 8:40:15 GMT -5
^No one uses the term free falling correctly. I've given up explaining what it means.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 13, 2017 14:15:27 GMT -5
Did you followed music and bought cds when you were 8? I understand your point about that large variety of options that are available now, and in theory that makes sense. In reality, you take a look at teenagers and it seems they all listen to basically the same acts. Drake, Bieber, Swift, Kendrick... As a teenager, I really disagree with this. Actually, I think the range of artists that people listen to is quite a bit bigger what it seemingly was 10 or 20 years ago. 20 years ago was the late 90s when the charts often featured hip-hop (Biggie, etc), country crossover (LeAnn Rimes, Shania Twain, etc), 'teen pop' (Britney, BSB, etc), R&B/neo-soul (Erykah Badu, R Kelly, etc), female singer/songwriters (Sheryl Crow, Sarah McLachlan, etc), AC ballads (Celine, some of Mariah, Diane Warren ballads), mainstream rock (Sister Hazel, Marcy Playground, Alanis Morissette, Eric Clapton), and even dance (Real McCoy, Gina G, Robyn). We also saw the Latin movement starting by then with Ricky Martin and others. I'm not sure how you can get much more diverse. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 13, 2017 14:58:03 GMT -5
As a teenager, I really disagree with this. Actually, I think the range of artists that people listen to is quite a bit bigger what it seemingly was 10 or 20 years ago. 20 years ago was the late 90s when the charts often featured hip-hop (Biggie, etc), country crossover (LeAnn Rimes, Shania Twain, etc), 'teen pop' (Britney, BSB, etc), R&B/neo-soul (Erykah Badu, R Kelly, etc), female singer/songwriters (Sheryl Crow, Sarah McLachlan, etc), AC ballads (Celine, some of Mariah, Diane Warren ballads), mainstream rock (Sister Hazel, Marcy Playground, Alanis Morissette, Eric Clapton), and even dance (Real McCoy, Gina G, Robyn). We also saw the Latin movement starting by then with Ricky Martin and others. I'm not sure how you can get much more diverse. Most of that is available today too. Streaming favors hip hop so that tends to dominate but you also have everything else including Latin |
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Post by felipe on Sept 13, 2017 17:10:34 GMT -5
Over a year ago I was surprised to see that there were nostalgia pieces about about High School Musical and Hannah Montana already and then I realized they are 10 years old! Lea Michelle recently tweeted about Glee premiering 8 years ago, remember how that show dominated the charts every single episode lol. Time flies so fast To further the previous discussion: HSM was universally ridiculed 10 years ago, and "old people" were always trashing it and saying how much better the Mickey Mouse Club was. Now current young adults praise it and talk about how much better everything was 10 years ago. People in a couple years will be talking about the good old days of Bieber and Drake and complaining about whatever the current stars are. Are there really people praising HSM and and finding artistic merit in it? Of course people who watched it as kids might look back and feel nostalgic, just as they might about a certain chocolate they used to eat or their trips to the video rental shop. That's not a comparison of artistic merit. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 13, 2017 17:16:39 GMT -5
Not too long til we start getting nostalgic for one of the biggest singles artists in history
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Post by rainie on Sept 13, 2017 17:21:16 GMT -5
As a teenager, I really disagree with this. Actually, I think the range of artists that people listen to is quite a bit bigger what it seemingly was 10 or 20 years ago. 20 years ago was the late 90s when the charts often featured hip-hop (Biggie, etc), country crossover (LeAnn Rimes, Shania Twain, etc), 'teen pop' (Britney, BSB, etc), R&B/neo-soul (Erykah Badu, R Kelly, etc), female singer/songwriters (Sheryl Crow, Sarah McLachlan, etc), AC ballads (Celine, some of Mariah, Diane Warren ballads), mainstream rock (Sister Hazel, Marcy Playground, Alanis Morissette, Eric Clapton), and even dance (Real McCoy, Gina G, Robyn). We also saw the Latin movement starting by then with Ricky Martin and others. I'm not sure how you can get much more diverse. Not all those genres may still be in the mainstream, but my point is I think that people listen to way more stuff OUT of the mainstream these days, which leads to an overall wider variety of music being listened to unlike 20 years ago where it was much harder to find out about music that wasn't already big. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:25:24 GMT -5
Were the old folks during the 80s complaining about the music and stating how The Beatles and Elvis were so much better? Just wondering if this only has happened since I was born
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Post by kcdawg13 on Sept 13, 2017 19:38:25 GMT -5
I'm genuinely shocked that all the One Direction boys were able to notch Top 20 hits (well, almost all, sorry Luis). And with Niall nearing the Top 10, four of the boys would have a Top 10 hit under their belts. That's unheard of from a boy band, most only have one member that has a successful solo career (Micheal Jackson, Justin Timberlake). I think the only other boy band to have multiple members get solo hits was The Beatles, but I'm pretty sure it was just McCartney and Lennon. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by hughster1 on Sept 13, 2017 21:28:20 GMT -5
I'm genuinely shocked that all the One Direction boys were able to notch Top 20 hits (well, almost all, sorry Luis). And with Niall nearing the Top 10, four of the boys would have a Top 10 hit under their belts. That's unheard of from a boy band, most only have one member that has a successful solo career (Micheal Jackson, Justin Timberlake). I think the only other boy band to have multiple members get solo hits was The Beatles, but I'm pretty sure it was just McCartney and Lennon. Correct me if I'm wrong. All the Beatles had number one singles. Ringo and John had two, George had 3, and Paul had 9. New Edition and NKOTB also had multiple members have top ten solo hits. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Sept 14, 2017 0:58:52 GMT -5
I'm genuinely shocked that all the One Direction boys were able to notch Top 20 hits (well, almost all, sorry Luis). And with Niall nearing the Top 10, four of the boys would have a Top 10 hit under their belts. That's unheard of from a boy band, most only have one member that has a successful solo career (Micheal Jackson, Justin Timberlake). I think the only other boy band to have multiple members get solo hits was The Beatles, but I'm pretty sure it was just McCartney and Lennon. Correct me if I'm wrong. All the Beatles had number one singles. Ringo and John had two, George had 3, and Paul had 9. New Edition and NKOTB also had multiple members have top ten solo hits. Ah, forgot about New Edition. NKOTB seriously had multiple members have top ten solo hits? I swear Jordan Knight was the only one to snag a Top 10. |
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Post by jebsib on Sept 14, 2017 6:31:09 GMT -5
^ Yes, the old folks in the 80s hated the 80s music and lamented that the 60s stuff was better. It happens every generation.
You didn't have Youtube comments sections, but if you read Billboard letter section, or worked in radio (as I did), it was a frequent complaint.
Teens that grew up in the 70s also often hated 80s music.
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2017 8:06:14 GMT -5
On the "boy bands" - Jackson 5 wasn't just Michael, Jermaine had a bunch of hits too.
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2017 8:12:25 GMT -5
All the Beatles had number one singles. Ringo and John had two, George had 3, and Paul had 9. New Edition and NKOTB also had multiple members have top ten solo hits. Ah, forgot about New Edition. NKOTB seriously had multiple members have top ten solo hits? I swear Jordan Knight was the only one to snag a Top 10. Joey McIntyre hit with "Stay The Same" |
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