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Post by Web on Oct 12, 2017 22:03:46 GMT -5
unfortunately not surprised at Albie's death but incredibly happy that the last second BackwoodsBarbie lynch resulted in a maf kill. Her leans post was what made me suspicious enough to vote her. Why did she suspect gravey for not wanting to lynch normusic but not me for the same reason? (answer: he was an easy mislynch, I wasn't)
Give a bit of time to type up a larger post about our strategy today but I think we're really close to pulling this off. Would be really funny if gravey was right and maf team was Barbie and Codex. I know Codex was busy with birthday shenanigans but he was the only one not on the Barbie wagon and played it really safe for D3...
I think gravey is basically cleared, not only from his reaction to his near-lynch but from pursuing BackwoodsBarbie for the entire day. If the remaining scumteam was BackwoodsBarbie and gravey I sincerely doubt they'd be able to coordinate that bussing and have gravey not even blink at losing his last team member to that last second wagon with opportunites to jump off. So I'm going to operate under the assumption that gravey is clear. Any players think otherwise?
Let's start this off by pressuring players who have remained out of the spotlight and see what everyone has to say about the Barbie flip.
Vote: Zedd
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Post by rainie on Oct 12, 2017 22:12:22 GMT -5
It's a new day, but I'm still fairly suspicious of Miloninja and I'd like to hear what others have to say regarding him seeming scum.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 12, 2017 22:18:22 GMT -5
At the moment I'm not convinced of Scum!loninja. I went back to find my other post detailing my last set of reads, thinking about how I might reshuffle them after the end of D3. I'm actually bumping Webi back down to neutral from scum, but Zac is still on the scummy side for me (I lean Town on Galaxy Girl and Gravey right now, two people you would have lynched over Barbie - why?)
Vote: Zaclord
Also bumping up toward the other end of the spectrum is Codex. I can't forget the plan you detailed re: Town power night actions, but you were also against choosing Barbie as the lynch vote (and as Webi pointed out, you weren't on the wagon). At this point only one of you can be scum (#CaptainObviousHat) but my immediate thought right now is - why were you more sure of Barbie's Town-ness over others?
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Post by Web on Oct 12, 2017 22:21:41 GMT -5
I know people have cautioned against the "assume no experienced maf" approach but would a miloninja/normusic/Barbie mafia pick the nightkills that have happened so far, specifically Max N1? I'm not so sure. I'll look into milo more tomorrow, headed to bed soon.
I also think we should start discussing what day it might be optimal for Doc to claim since mafia obviously can't counterclaim or they would be dead the next day even if we lynched the real doctor. If Albie had survived and been able to clear a non-doc townie I definitely would have suggested the claim today, since we'd then virtually win by process of elimination.
I think that the doc claim might be a better play for D5 (if we don't win today) instead, since obviously mafia will go for a cleared townie N4 (most likely Snark Knight unless Doc can protect him). Definitely no doc claims yet without a larger discussion, but I think it's a good question to bring up for everyone to weigh in on.
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Post by Web on Oct 12, 2017 22:22:21 GMT -5
sorry, meant "assume at least one experienced maf"
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Post by Web on Oct 12, 2017 22:31:36 GMT -5
I rarely do list posts (I think I said why D2) but to help gather my thoughts at the start of D4 here's my ranking from least to most scummy. Can give explanations if players are curious but here's the general template I'm starting off D4 with.
1. Snark Knight (obv) 2. gravey 3. Galaxy Girl 4. miloninja 5. Zedd 6. zaclord 7. Codex
Currently voting Zedd over Codex/zaclord because I think they will both come in and explain themselves without being prodded. Hope everyone can check in soon and we don't have the large gaps again despite our reduced numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 0:59:30 GMT -5
Vote - CodexReasons that I explained the day before still apply to this day. Reasons that you explained the day before still have no logic in them. They do since they carry on until the next day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 1:08:46 GMT -5
Alright, you have to convince me very very well for me to unvote you, otherwise my vote is sticking on you.
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 1:19:16 GMT -5
^maybe this will have to wait until your big summary post Codex, but do you agree with me that gravey is cleared town?
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Post by Mylo13 π on Oct 13, 2017 3:41:44 GMT -5
I just realised that my vote for Barbie, particularly with me being a newbie, looks suspicious. I voted for her at the very end, and it turned out she was in fact mafia meaning people will suspect me as a mafia member who tried to show their 'town-ness'.
Anyway, NO! Why couldn't it have been an unimportant town like me, or an inactive town like Zedd? Why was it was one of the most valuable and important ones?
However... I'm beginning to get suspicious of thewebinator. Not his style or his content, but his survival. From the start, he was the go-to town member, and thus should have been a mafia target.
Obviously there could be reasonings for this, like maybe mafia think he'll be saved, or maybe they hope for this suspion.
But it kind of makes my thoughts on him differing...
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Post by Mylo13 π on Oct 13, 2017 3:50:45 GMT -5
Also, going back a while, could we name claim (claim your nane for your person), as long as you don't show any proof (screenshots)? Because we have enough town that EVERYONE could claim, and two people would be left with the same name. One is the truthful town, the other a lying mafia. We could lynch one, and if that fails, have enough people to thoroughly lynch the other the next day. Actually this would be perfect! Only question is, are we allowed? Again, with no screenshots it'd be based on pure words. Town have no reason to lie, and mafia get caught quick! castleoblivion26 ???
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 13, 2017 4:41:24 GMT -5
Screenshots can be doctored, that's why they've never been admitted in the past.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Oct 13, 2017 4:44:41 GMT -5
Screenshots can be doctored, that's why they've never been admitted in the past. I know, but what about the idea?
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 7:19:18 GMT -5
Yes, massclaiming is allowed but it's important to not do it too early and give mafia all of the remaining information they don't have.
At this point the doc claiming is the equivalent of massclaiming anyway.
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 7:24:03 GMT -5
Actually wait, I forgot that mafia has no safe flavor claims. Idk if mass flavor claiming is allowed or not, considering if we did it the game would basically be over since we'd just lynch between the people claiming the same person.
castleoblivion can you clear this up?
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 7:36:42 GMT -5
(triple post!) Also regardless of what castleoblivion says I have no idea why maf!milo would point that flavorclaim strategy out, makes me think he's town.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 13, 2017 10:28:59 GMT -5
I have no rules stating a mass claiming is not allowed as long as no screenshots are used. I'll probably change that in the future because it does bring the game to a screeching halt and kind of breaks the point of the game so I would prefer you didn't play that way. Again though as I didn't have that as a rule I won't stop it this game
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 11:04:44 GMT -5
Yeah it's cool with me if we stay away from flavor claiming this game, would feel like a cheaper town victory anyway.
We should discuss when it's best for doc to role claim though.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 13, 2017 13:04:15 GMT -5
I say Doc should remain anonymous for at LEAST one more day. I'm the next logical NK, so I need the Doc to protect me if possible. After that, having another confirmed Townie would narrow the field further.
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 13:28:17 GMT -5
We need you contributing today. In past games I've seen you described as "a troll when town, and helpful but reserved when mafia". Your gameplay style D3 is leaning towards the second of those two options with how inactive you've been on D3. Where did you read that? I'm legit curious, lol. I think Kunt said it in the election mafia? Too lazy to check, I read through a game or two before this one just to see how you guys played and get an unfair advantage some info on your playstyles. Did you guys not check until now? Everyone is included in the story lol. There were 14 names and 14 people. It was my first thought on D2 when I saw the story. My first post of the game was about how flavors were linked to roles so I did read the story but for some reason it took until now to dawn on me that it also meant mafia had no safe flavors to claim lol matteeeb after seeing the results of our most recent lynch, who do you now suspect to be the final scum and why? Please back up your reasoning with more than a sentence or two.
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 14:40:33 GMT -5
I'll be back with lengthier thoughts later on tonight, but for the record milo's suggestion of a strategy (mass flavor claiming) that if he were mafia would end the game immediately with his loss moved his needle quite a bit towards town imo. I already explained my reasoning with gravey on prior pages (also of note, when he's online he responds to posts directed to him in minutes with little to no lag between gravey's brain and the keyboard, I think it would be pretty obvious if he was mafia) but perhaps everyone isn't on board clearing him yet. At the very least I don't think gravey or milo should be lynch targets today, which leaves four D4 targets for the final maf. (Codex, Galaxy Girl, zaclord, Zedd) waiting on zaclord π 's thoughts on how the Barbie wagon went down/why he favored lynching others over her as Snark Knight pointed out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 14:44:03 GMT -5
Unvote Codex for now. I'll see how It goes next few days before voting again. May be a chance I vote codex again idk.
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Post by Mylo13 π on Oct 13, 2017 17:00:41 GMT -5
So no mass reveal :( I guess it would end the game too early, and probably not make it interesting for either party. Still, I thought I was on to something!
Not many people have commented this day. It's hard to form an opinion if I only have old data. So no vote for now.
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 13, 2017 17:39:58 GMT -5
Sorry y'all - had a concert last night and just now read through everything from last night/today. I'll hopefully be online later tonight to sift through everything and give my updates. Bringing some of my student leaders to a corn maze for a group bonding/team building thing tonight
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 18:26:09 GMT -5
ROLES REMAINING: Camila Harris (Godfather)Carrie Stapleton (Doctor) Kelly Gomez (Deputy) Sabrina Tomlinson (Townsperson) Thomas Osborne (Townsperson) Ed Jonas (Townsperson) Nick Styles (Townsperson) Demi Bieber (Townsperson) Codex you missed this post from the end of D3 which makes flavor-claiming basically an instant win for town.
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Post by Web on Oct 13, 2017 22:21:53 GMT -5
matteeeb after seeing the results of our most recent lynch, who do you now suspect to be the final scum and why? Please back up your reasoning with more than a sentence or two. matteeeb matteeeb matteeeb 1/4 through the day and you haven't posted anything yet. We're down to half of the players at the start of the game so your thoughts on my quote above and initial vote would be appreciated. I want to wait to see what zaclord has to say after he navigates through his corn maze and Codex's "who to vote for" post before throwing out another big post so I'll hold off until tomorrow.
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 14, 2017 0:12:57 GMT -5
Alright, looking back at Barbie's posts here are my thoughts: Her votes: D1: Zedd, D2: Snark Knight, graveyD3: gravey again thewebinator defended Barbie and Kurt called him out for it gravey thought she was scum early on without much to go on but then jumped on and voted for Zedd after Barbie and normusic already had voted for him hereBarbie called thewebinator most likely to be town hereNote from AlbieAnother note from Albie - a vote on BarbieMay be worth noting where normusic and Barbie switched their votes to right before they went to bed at the end of day 1 and more importantly who already had their vote on Broccoli (in case they were playing follow the leader) More wise words of wisdom from AlbieHere is when Barbie was adamant in proving that an experienced member was in the mafia by doing all the math to back up her argument. Makes me think she and normusic are accompanied by a newbie for an all-newbie scum team. Normusic saying he's suspicious of Barbie, but also Zedd and Albie. Would he really say he's suspicious of BOTH of his teammates? This is my greatest argument why Zedd isn't likely as the last mafia. But idk... Here is my post explaining my suspicions of Barbie on D3 Barbie's lean on D3 can be seen here. She was most suspicious of Az and Gravey with Codex and thewebinator being least suspicious. Hmmm... Zedd pops in from nowhere to just agree with Barbie and vote for gravey Gravey was pretty hellbent on Barbie being the mafia even when no one else really suspected her. That's the same reasoning I found Codex not suspicious since he went after normusic so hard on D2. thewebinator weighs in on Barbies play here and calls her play suspicious. Next post down, he really is the one that started the Barbie lynch wagon. miloninja was on the gravey train with Barbie (which I started but jumped on the Az train once web and Albie brought up some good points. Codex then joined the gravey train (or should I say gravey boat? ) and I hopped back on after Az's reveal. Az then jumped on a vote for Barbie, followed by me once gravey acted suuuuuuuper town (which was the vote that gave Barbie the lead on votes over gravey mind you), Galaxy Girl then voted Barbie but wanted to go for milo instead. I was also more supportive of a milo lynch but also was suspicious of Barbie. Zedd came in with a last minute vote on Barbie too and milo came in super late to the party (again) with the bandwagon lynch and thewebinator called him out on it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ After Barbie's death: At the moment I'm not convinced of Scum!loninja. I went back to find my other post detailing my last set of reads, thinking about how I might reshuffle them after the end of D3. I'm actually bumping Webi back down to neutral from scum, but Zac is still on the scummy side for me (I lean Town on Galaxy Girl and Gravey right now, two people you would have lynched over Barbie - why?) Vote: ZaclordNot sure if this is a rhetorical question or if its even directed at me, but I didn't find Galaxy Girl suspicious at all. normusic was adamant on lynching her on D2 so that cleared her on D3 for me. Gravey I was suspicious because of the things I noted in my analysis of D2 on D3 - normusic defending a vote for gravey (which he never did for anyone) and telling him to post more, and the "normusic is 100% town" comment from him, but once we were ready to lynch him, his posting felt suuuuuuuper towny to me and agreed he shouldn't be lynched at that point. Especially now knowing that Barbie was mafia and gravey was soooo focused on her being mafia, gravey is at the bottom of my suspect list. Miloninja and thewebinator were probably the only ones I was more suspicious of than Barbie at the end of D3, but milo would've been the only one I would have advocated a lynch of over Barbie because I have (and continue to) found his posting to be suspicious (see some notes above). I didn't want to lose thewebinator yet even if he is mafia since he's the most active player here and his analysis (although not always correct) is thoughtful and he dedicates time to make connections, which most other players haven't done. He'd be a big loss to town. However... I'm beginning to get suspicious of thewebinator. Not his style or his content, but his survival. From the start, he was the go-to town member, and thus should have been a mafia target. Obviously there could be reasonings for this, like maybe mafia think he'll be saved, or maybe they hope for this suspion. But it kind of makes my thoughts on him differing... I'm glad you brought this up, because had Az just been town and we lynched him, I would've been advocating for a webby lynch today. He's been the most valuable for town so I don't know why Kurt was killed over him on D2. Kurt was probably the 2nd best choice if you're looking to kill active members, but he had just told us that he wasn't going to be online much due to some personal issues, so why kill Kurt over thewebinator? Not 100% sold on him as mafia, but I too have shared these feelings over the last few days. Also, going back a while, could we name claim (claim your nane for your person), as long as you don't show any proof (screenshots)? Because we have enough town that EVERYONE could claim, and two people would be left with the same name. One is the truthful town, the other a lying mafia. We could lynch one, and if that fails, have enough people to thoroughly lynch the other the next day. Actually this would be perfect! Only question is, are we allowed? Again, with no screenshots it'd be based on pure words. Town have no reason to lie, and mafia get caught quick! castleoblivion26 ??? I was hands-down gonna be on the miloninja train today until this post though. I feel like no mafia in their right mind would suggest this tactic. I thought it was a brilliant plan but then as the convo continued did realize it would suck all the fun out of it. But a mafia wouldn't suggest a surefire win for town... Interested to see the rest of Codex's analysis, because he's one of my top suspects at this point. After this analysis here is who I am most suspicious of: 1. Zedd - normusic and Barbie both voting for him on D1 could've been to distance themselves from him, but him plopping in to agree with Barbie on gravey and contribute nothing else was super suspicious to me. Also, without having much to go on in any direction, I'm leaning toward him just to kill off the least active participant. The only thing really saving him for me right now is that normusic listed him along with Barbie and Albie as his big 3 suspects. If I were mafia, I would've just said one of my teammates but not the other, but who knows what normusic was thinking... 2. Codex - hey, gravey's hunch was correct on Barbie... I was suspicious of Jordan from the beginning, so I'm still a tad suspicious of Codex too. I think *if* there's an experienced member in the mafia he's the most likely. But he went so hard for normusic on D2. That could've been to cover himself in the future though. 3. thewebinator - he's made some poor calls (defending normusic, going after Az) which seems scummy, but he's posted so much that he's bound to have said some incorrect assumptions. I am still questioning how he's still alive though. 4. Galaxy Girl - I gave her a bigger pass on D3 since normusic was gunning for her hard on D2, but she contributed little once her name wasn't being thrown around as a potential lynch. But normusic could've tried to throw one teammate under the bus to clear his name for the rest of the game since he'd have another teammate still. 5. miloninja - he would've been #1 until the flavor claiming comment. That not even something an inexperienced mafia would ever suggest... so definitely not here for a vote on him today 6. gravey - he was waaaay too hard on Barbie on D3 after scum was already down 2. It would be stupid for him to push that hard to kill his last teammate when no one else was throwing votes her way 7. Az - obviously I'm not ready to put down a vote yet, but I'm definitely leaning toward Zedd or Codex. Barbie trying to convince us that there was an experienced member of the mafia really has me thinking there isn't one now though. She spent a lot of time trying to do that math for us to prove that there was an experienced member in the mafia, which is why I'm leaning Zedd over Codex and then maybe throwing Galaxy Girl in the mix too. ***As we move forward, it's important to note that since there is only 1 mafia, so there isn't gonna be a situation where a mafia is defending another mafia. Any defenses are going to be genuine that this person is town, even from the mafia. So there isn't any reason for anyone to be skeptical of anyone saying that we shouldn't consider voting for someone in this day phase for whatever reason (example: thewebinator saying we shouldn't lynch gravey or milo today seems fair knowing that he is truly defending him - even if he is mafia, he isn't defending them to save them since he would be the only mafia left). Hope that makes sense. Not sure if I am explaining that well.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 14, 2017 1:01:01 GMT -5
I was looking back over Norm's and Barbie's posts; yes they both voiced suspicions of Zedd. Knowing they were both Mafia (and knowing that Barbie was not a very active poster) I think it was a rather safe common 'suspicion' for the two of them to share, because they would not have been seen as a means of connecting the two. I think based on this I'd err on the side of Zedd being Town. His inactivity/seeming inattentiveness could've been used as the means/excuse to direct his mislynch without raising too many questions.
Gravey, we now all appear to agree upon, is Town. Same for Milo, whose idea of mass-claiming is actually fantastic although a gamebreaker (Castle either should have thought to not give away which name was linked to the Godfather; that way vanilla could still have been used as a valid safe claim in the absence of cover identities being provided). If I am also to conclude that I was on the wrong path re: thescuminator (and I am obviously Town post-Deputy claim) that narrows the pool to Galaxy Girl, Codex and Zac. Of the three, my strongest suspicion remaining is Zac (and I note that you also list Zedd as a suspect, which makes a common link between all three of you).
A counterpoint for you Zac; why exactly do you consider Webi coming after me a poor call? Town!Webi coming after me on D3 is only a poor call in hindsight. I've played terribly (particularly on D3) so I don't see why it was such a wrong move on Webi's part to pursue me. Until I claimed, he didn't know anything about my alignment - only that I'd backed myself into a corner and I was spinning my wheels. Knowing my - ermm, temperamental - play style, I could just as easily have been Mafia inadvertently outing myself. As for Webi still being alive, I could chalk that up to newb!scum not realizing how much a spanner in the works he could prove to be, and not taking him out early (with Town powers out in the open, obviously these would be priority NK's instead).
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 14, 2017 1:20:38 GMT -5
A counterpoint for you Zac; why exactly do you consider Webi coming after me a poor call? Town!Webi coming after me on D3 is only a poor call in hindsight. I've played terribly (particularly on D3) so I don't see why it was such a wrong move on Webi's part to pursue me. Until I claimed, he didn't know anything about my alignment - only that I'd backed myself into a corner and I was spinning my wheels. Knowing my - ermm, temperamental - play style, I could just as easily have been Mafia inadvertently outing myself. As for Webi still being alive, I could chalk that up to newb!scum not realizing how much a spanner in the works he could prove to be, and not taking him out early (with Town powers out in the open, obviously these would be priority NK's instead). Just meant his assumptions were wrong both times there (as were mine and several others). He kinda led the attack/defense with you and normusic, which seems kind of scummy, but like I also mentioned in my post, he just posts so frequently compared to others and is always throwing out ideas to get people talking/moving, so its more likely he'd say some incorrect things. So it could be viewed as him trying to take out a good player (you) or save his teammate normusic (this one was sketchier to me). Just something I'm keeping my eye on. Also not really sure why me being suspicious of Zedd here (when others have also posted these suspicions for days) says to you that I'm aligned with normusic and Barbie. I think I explained my reasoning behind him and used their suspicions of him as a counter claim to him being mafia. I do think he and Codex are my top suspects right now still, but not sure which one to go with right now. Galaxy Girl is up there too but normusic's aggression toward her on D2 makes me doubt her a bit. Waiting on Codex to finish his response before deciding what to do.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 14, 2017 1:31:17 GMT -5
I didn't say it outright aligned you with them - I said it was a common link that the three of you shared, one that as a scum team the three of you could push with relative comfort because it wouldn't look like any of your suspicions shared a link unless you were looking for it. I'm also waiting for Codex to come back and make that post. Meanwhile rainie are you just gonna ghost the rest of this game or?
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