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Post by Mylo13 ๐ on Oct 15, 2017 23:52:50 GMT -5
About to post on thoughts.
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Post by Mylo13 ๐ on Oct 16, 2017 0:44:30 GMT -5
Everyone but me ranked from most to least town IMO:
Az: I did try to start the whole 'pros and cons' thing, but I was stretching. In reality, there was no sane reason to do that as a mafia.
gravey: Yeah this top two isn't anything special. Going SO strongly for someone, if they were your teammate is just dumb. If gravey hadn't been so strong, it could have been between me or gravey for that elimination.
zaclord: Just generally helpful to town with no scum signs for me. I can imagine him being mafia, but he's been posting constantly with no strong scum implications. Much like...
thewebinator: Most people have him as a town, but a small portion of doubt remains with me. As previously mentioned, he has always been the go to town member sorry Kunt and should have been a mafia target. In the early days, not. He probably would have been protected by either az or the doctor. However, if he survives next elimination my suspicion will rise a LOT. But, all of this isn't enough to take him away from a town lean.
Galaxy Girl: Yeah, I was being petty earlier. She brought up nothing but reasonable points about me, and rightfully was suspicious of me. BUT, she still was suspicious of az and gravey (which yes, I was too.) which are all but confirmed. The normusic conflict is something, but don't forget that norm went for galaxy at a time were it was popular and probably would have been considered town-ish in his books. Not to mention, it was only shortly for both of them. Slight town read but still in my sights for possible candidate.
Zedd: POST MORE PLEASE. I'm going to vote for you, not because you're the most suspicious, but because you're the least helpful by a mile. Your small posts barely contributed,and didn't make much sense either.
vote: Zedd (despite null read.)
Codex: Despite the most suspicious, I'm not getting a scum reading from you. The misunderstanding flavours thing was weird, considering your history of mafia (from what I've heard). Your reaction was VERY... awkward. (reply #649) That seems like a STRONG cover-up. But I really can't find any strong evidence against you.
Also, just going through some numbers: 1 mafia and 7 town are still in. Assuming worst case, where we mislynch and get a town death. Next day, we'd have 1 mafia and 5 town. If we flavour claimed that day, we'd still win (even with a mislynch and a separate town death.). So we have a back-up, last case scenario if necessary.
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 8:38:46 GMT -5
Codex , what do you think about my post about Galaxy Girl's D1 vote on normusic and how she voted him with her first post of substance in the entire game? Does it change your lean on Galaxy Girl at all? Link here
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 12:32:23 GMT -5
Codex has 3 votes, Zedd has 2 votes.
For the posters that are the only player voting for their target, what is it that makes them a better lynch than one of the larger wagons? We still have ~9 hours left so there's time to come to consensus, but if you want to build a wagon with more support then please contribute and support your case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 12:41:34 GMT -5
My reasons for voting Codex are still the same as previous reasons.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 16, 2017 13:58:15 GMT -5
For me, Zaclord feels like the most logical conclusion after process of elimination. If we assume the remaining scum is one of the more continually active players, that rules out Galaxy Girl and Zedd. Most of us have soft-cleared Gravey and Milo, further ruling them out. I've claimed Deputy - again, ruled out.
This leaves Webi, Codex and Zac - and my gut instinct is telling me the most likely scum member of those three is Zac. Codex had a good plan with Town in mind, and Webi is trying to clear people (which as scum I don't see him doing - why narrow the pool of viable mislynches?)
All that's left is Zac - which is where my vote currently stands. I think scum!lord made a good play for my lynch following Webi's grilling of me D3, and the only reason that didn't come to pass is because of my claim - because it nearly worked otherwise. Further, I don't believe in his approval of Codex's protection scheme because he endorsed the backwards version which was easier to go wrong for Town. I see scum!lord pushing this because he'd be able to counteract Town's game plan. Lastly, his suspicions focus on people I consider to be Town - which is tenuous on its own as evidence, but I think scum!lord is trying to plant whatever seeds of doubt he can now that his team is all wiped out.
I'm not sure I'll be back in time for deadline (complicated by time zone difference and me staying up longer than I intended overnight). If I'm back in time for deadline I'll re-consider the placement of my vote if it's necessary to ensure a lynch. I need the Doctor tonight or I'm toast.
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 14:27:25 GMT -5
one thing I have noticed about zaclord that has raised my suspicion slightly is a few times when he's mentioned his current vote on Codex he's hedged it with "I'm not 100% sold on the vote, but it's the best lynch for now". Here after his big Zedd summary post: So while I'm not super convinced of this vote (but really only using the fact at how hard he went after normusic on D2 as a defense), I am voting for Codex. and here after responding to my post questioning Codex voting for normusic being a clear town move: So while I'm still not sold on Codex, I do think he's a better lynch than Zedd or Galaxy Girl today. No one is ever certain of their reasoning but to stress it to the town twice in a ~3 hour period seems a little odd. It gives him a clearer "out" if Codex flips town. I still think Codex is a better lynch today but after reading Snark Knight's post against zaclord I remembered these posts and figured they were important to highlight.
One sidenote though to Snark Knight: Lastly, his suspicions focus on people I consider to be Town - which is tenuous on its own as evidence, but I think scum!lord is trying to plant whatever seeds of doubt he can now that his team is all wiped out. I know you pointed out this is tenuous but I'd be careful with this reasoning. If you use process of elimination to cross out every player but zaclord (as you did in the full post) then obviously every single suspicion he has is going to be against a player you consider to be town. Your post is relying on several assumptions on non-cleared players too that if wrong make the case fall apart so be careful not to lock into confirmation bias mode.
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 16, 2017 14:42:07 GMT -5
Vote: Codex. It's best for me to this since the vote is 3-2, and with my vote it'll be 4-2.
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 17:37:12 GMT -5
Current Vote Count (5 needed for majority lynch)(3) Zedd - Galaxy Girl, miloninja, Codex(4) Codex - thewebinator, zaclord, gravey, Zedd(1) zaclord - AzAz Paynter as the only 100% clear your vote is going to be really crucial at EOD, hope you have the time to pop in and pick one of the viable wagons. Despite his recent vote on Codex for no reason other than self-preservation, I personally don't see Zedd as a better lynch than Codex because of points brought up by zaclord (both of his teammates voting for him early on D1 as well as normusic listing Zedd in his Top 3 maf leans w/Barbie), so I hope either Mylo13 ๐ or rainie can look back at the cases and change their mind to the Codex wagon. If the Zedd wagon grows and it's the only way we'll get a lynch today I'll flip to him but I think he's town. At the very least if he's a mislynch his inactivity won't be a crutch to further town discussion. I'll be on and off throughout the rest of D4 to check in and make sure we get a majority lynch in at the end of the day. I don't want us to no lynch today and miss an opportunity to win this game.
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Post by Mylo13 ๐ on Oct 16, 2017 17:48:20 GMT -5
It doesn't look like Zedd's going to speak up, so I suppose I'll have to move to my most suspicious person.
Vote: Codex
But if it isn't Codex, and I don't die, I'm going to be pressuring Zedd much harder. Especially after his VERY suspicious vote.
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 16, 2017 21:28:29 GMT -5
It doesn't look like Zedd's going to speak up, so I suppose I'll have to move to my most suspicious person. Vote: CodexBut if it isn't Codex, and I don't die, I'm going to be pressuring Zedd much harder. Especially after his VERY suspicious vote. Just wondering, how was my vote suspicious?
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 16, 2017 22:12:06 GMT -5
I think we're at deadline now; I'm not totally onboard with the Codex!wagon but you've got your 5 votes so at least a lynch is happening. I'm probably dead tonight so if Codex is town, I really think it's scum!lord.
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Post by Mylo13 ๐ on Oct 16, 2017 22:18:13 GMT -5
It doesn't look like Zedd's going to speak up, so I suppose I'll have to move to my most suspicious person. Vote: CodexBut if it isn't Codex, and I don't die, I'm going to be pressuring Zedd much harder. Especially after his VERY suspicious vote. Just wondering, how was my vote suspicious? Voting for someone, to simply save yourself as it seems, is EXACTLY what a mafia would think (though not voice out loud). I'm sure you had some other reason, but from face value, it was VERY suspicious.
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Post by Mylo13 ๐ on Oct 16, 2017 22:19:07 GMT -5
I think I'm going to be an elimination target tonight.
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 22:21:14 GMT -5
I think we're at deadline now; I'm not totally onboard with the Codex!wagon but you've got your 5 votes so at least a lynch is happening. I'm probably dead tonight so if Codex is town, I really think it's scum!lord. I looked back through the day and found this from castleoblivion: Day Four ends Thursday Oct 16th at 10pm ESTAssuming he meant Monday Oct 16th apparently D4 ended an hour earlier than the most recent two for some reason but looks like regardless it's EOD and no votes came in between 10 and 11 EST to change anything anyway.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 16, 2017 22:23:08 GMT -5
I think I'm going to be an elimination target tonight. Confirmed Town power over here. Not sure why you'd be the N4 target. :sip2:
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 16, 2017 22:52:13 GMT -5
Sorry I've been a terrible host. I have no internet and ran out of data on my phone so posting is really hard to do so I'm not updating everything here right now and I cannot link to the green room.
Congrats to town! You have lynched the 4th Mafia and ended the game. I will say that I think mafia got screwed because of my mistake and I again apologize for that. If I ever host again I promise to do a better job.
Leaving at that for now, when I can get on a computer I will write up some more detailing the game. Thanks for playing everyone!
Day Four ends Monday Oct 16th at 11pm EST
to have a majority vote 5 people must vote for the same person and keep their vote active until the deadline!
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know): (5) Codexย -ย gravey, thewebinator, zaclord, Zedd, miloninja (2) Zedd - Galaxy Girl, Codex (1) zaclord - Snark Knight NO VOTE:
ROLES REMAINING: Camila Harris (Godfather) Carrie Stapleton (Doctor) Kelly Gomez (Deputy) Sabrina Tomlinson (Townsperson) Thomas Osborne (Townsperson) Ed Jonas (Townsperson) Nick Styles (Townsperson) Demi Bieber (Townsperson)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 22:53:07 GMT -5
Gravey the MVP, (don't mean to brag) I called Backwoods and Codex as final 2 Mafia members after my mistake on normusic. XD
Will we get Green Room access and what exactly the mistake was regarding Mafia?
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 16, 2017 22:53:45 GMT -5
Well goodjob guys.
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Post by Green Baron on Oct 16, 2017 22:54:34 GMT -5
Goddamnit I was rooting against Town and Mafia was just so inexperienced I was hoping for Codex to pull out alive
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 16, 2017 22:55:04 GMT -5
...saywut?
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 16, 2017 22:55:41 GMT -5
Can we get greenroom links?
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 22:56:26 GMT -5
wow, 4/4 with no mislynches, awesome job town! Really curious to see the green room and know what the mistake was lol. Had a fantastic time playing here for the first time, definitely would do it again in the future! Hope there's no hard feelings about D3 Az Paynter , also I'm definitely stealing "thescuminator" for a potential name change before next game haha
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 22:56:26 GMT -5
It was very very obvious that they were Mafia after normusic turned out to be Mafia and after Az revealed as Deputy.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 16, 2017 22:57:37 GMT -5
Gravey the MVP, (don't mean to brag) I called Backwoods and Codex as final 2 Mafia members after my mistake on normusic. XD Will we get Green Room access and what exactly the mistake was regarding Mafia? Will post a link to green room soon. The mistake was I answered Albie as sheriff on n1 and mafia chose to block Albie. Albie as everyone knows chose normusic to investigate. After the suggestion was made to have mafia make new targets they didn't block Albie but they also didn't kill who they originally planned. When I am able to get online I will detail all of this
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 22:58:36 GMT -5
Codex was definitely backed into a corner by that BackwoodsBarbie lynch, was mostly luck because I didn't believe in the milo/gravey wagons and was looking for a quick scummy reason to go after one of the posters I hadn't focused on.
It's also why those "list every player" lean posts can be really bad for mafia, revealed an inconsistency in Barbie's play that I noticed and voted her for.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 16, 2017 22:58:49 GMT -5
wow, 4/4 with no mislynches, awesome job town! Really curious to see the green room and know what the mistake was lol. Had a fantastic time playing here for the first time, definitely would do it again in the future! Hope there's no hard feelings about D3 Az Paynter , also I'm definitely stealing "thescuminator" for a potential name change before next game haha I did say I played like garbage D3. I'm not looking forward to the green room, expecting to have been utterly dragged to hell and back for that. I wonder who the Doc was? My f**k-up was trying to drag the Doc for maybe not doing their job properly (under the assumption that Codex = Town).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 22:59:04 GMT -5
So who was the other protective?
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Post by Web on Oct 16, 2017 22:59:46 GMT -5
my guess is Zaclord for doctor
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 16, 2017 22:59:59 GMT -5
zaclord was the doctor
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