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Post by Web on Oct 14, 2017 9:49:35 GMT -5
yeah the more I think about it doc claim should hold off until D5 unless they become the main lynch target today, they might be able to protect Snark Knight N4 but if they don't and SK is the kill then we'll be down to 6 players and having another 100% clear will be hugely beneficial, especially if it isn't one of the soft-clears we're considering (aka milo considering gravey already claimed vanilla town). I'm going to a concert tonight so I won't be as active until Sunday but I hope Codex can get his big post in soon since it will help clear up his current reasoning. also one interesting point to me was Codex's response to this question: ^maybe this will have to wait until your big summary post Codex, but do you agree with me that gravey is cleared town? I don't, actually. As of writing this he's not my main target anymore, but I don't think he did anything to be completely cleared. I'll elaborate in a bit. Hopefully Codex's elaboration will clear things up here, but one thing to note towards the end of game is that mafia are always going to be the most hesitant to clear players, since it reduces the pool of players in consideration for lynches. The obvious counter argument is that this is what I suspected Snark Knight of when he was arguing with Albie about SK's soft-clearing of normusic and miloninja, but the situation is really different here and the evidence is more concrete imo. (I think zaclord and Snark Knight have also made points about gravey's posts around the time of his lynch.)
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Post by Web on Oct 14, 2017 10:30:16 GMT -5
It's a new day, but I'm still fairly suspicious of Miloninja and I'd like to hear what others have to say regarding him seeming scum. Hi Galaxy Girl, maybe a more pointed question will get you into the thread. Since you were really suspicious of him, what do you think of milo's flavorclaiming strategy that has several players now giving him a strong town read? If you're still suspicious, why? If you aren't, who is your biggest scum read now?
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Post by Mylo13 π on Oct 14, 2017 16:42:09 GMT -5
I went on here, expecting a lot of posts, but instead we have TWO by the same person.
Really guys? You don't have to be all that helpful, but even just posting: I don't think <person> is suspicious because <reason>.
I know we said flavor/flavour claiming would take the fun out of the game, but we ourselves are doing that!
I'm fine with web, zac, az and codex, but Zedd, Galaxy and partly gravey, C'mon! You all haven't posted within 24 hours here, but where on Pulse in the last 3 hours.
Maybe I'm exaggerating here, but Zedd has made ZERO posts this entire day period. And Galaxy made one post near the beggining, that attempted to put a spotlight on someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 16:53:59 GMT -5
Zedd and Galaxy have made posts on other threads but not here. Its making me seem like that they do not care about this game anymore. Not a good sign.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 14, 2017 19:53:44 GMT -5
If I am being completely honest, I think the remaining scum member is someone who HAS been posting, so not only will I not support a wagon against either Zedd or Galaxy Girl this Day phase, but I will be salty af if the vote ends up on one of them.
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 14, 2017 21:08:30 GMT -5
While we wait for matteeeb and rainie to contribute, @walker9 and Mylo13 π what are your thoughts and why? Hopefully Codex can come in and finish his thoughts soon too so we have a little more to go off of. But we're not getting anywhere right now without anyone else contributing so let's hear what y'all have to say for now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 21:10:08 GMT -5
I still think that codex could be last scum but I really want to wait and hear others first before knowing what to do.
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 14, 2017 21:21:44 GMT -5
I still think that codex could be last scum but I really want to wait and hear others first before knowing what to do.Understandable. I'm waiting to hear from Codex before making a decision on who to vote for too, but in the meantime it would be helpful for the rest of us to at least analyze D3 and share current thoughts on what's happened so we can have some discussion going. We've gotta find out who this last mafia is and we won't get anywhere without everyone sharing their thoughts and opinions instead of waiting around for others to share theirs. There simply aren't enough people left to take a backseat here. If we just randomly vote for someone this round then the mafia has a better chance of being safe. I think we'll have enough to go off of after D1-D4 to make an educated decision by the end of the day but we've gotta talk and explain reasoning in order to get anywhere.
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Post by Web on Oct 14, 2017 23:11:18 GMT -5
If I am being completely honest, I think the remaining scum member is someone who HAS been posting, so not only will I not support a wagon against either Zedd or Galaxy Girl this Day phase, but I will be salty af if the vote ends up on one of them. I completely agree with you here, and since he still hasn't posted his promised analysis... Vote: CodexI feel like he's just delaying the inevitable and doesn't want to put a vote/accusations down. At least zaclord is semi-regularly contributing.
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Post by Web on Oct 14, 2017 23:12:10 GMT -5
Btw super tired from the concert so I'll come through with some detailed analysis tomorrow.
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 7:24:41 GMT -5
wait Codex does "crosses off" mean clear to you or just not a viable lynch today? If it means clear, what changed between your first response to me and that last post to make gravey clear to you?
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 8:12:00 GMT -5
also how does Galaxy Girl's really early vote on normusic play into your vote/analysis.
do you think a Galaxy Girl/Backwoods Barbie/normusic mafia developed a bussing strategy that early on D2?
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 15, 2017 10:37:49 GMT -5
While you didn't bring up a ton of new information, I do think this piece is definitely worth noting: This post in particular just really rubs me the wrong way: Wait, it may be too late for this, but how many people would change their current vote to miloninja? We could possible have enough for a last minute lynch. Backwood Barbie does lean scum to me so I wouldn't be too salty if she got lynched instead, but if we can somehow get enough votes to pull off a last minute target change... It seems like something a desperate newbie scum would post while her last teammate is about to be lynched. [/div][/div][/quote] I agree with you here that this does somewhat seem like a last minute attempt to save her teammate. However, she was fighting for a miloninja lynch earlier that day, so it also could have just been her seeing that the debate was open again and she wanted to throw her suspicion of miloninja in there for debate. I originally just assumed it was the latter, but you bring up a good point that it could be the former instead. The thing that makes me a little less suspicious of Codex though is how willing he is to clear me at this point based off of very little. Yeah, I was on board for the discussion of who to save Albie but looking back it would've made more sense for the Deputy to save Albie first and the Doctor 2nd (looks like both saved him first though). So I'm not sure with me agreeing to go along with your plan should completely clear me. But what I find most interesting in that is that Codex is willing to vouch for me saying I'm not mafia, which like thewebinator pointed out earlier is something mafia doesn't want to do: have more people cleared and have the pool of candidates lightened. Which is why I'm now leaning towards a Zedd or Galaxy Girl vote over Codex. Vote: Galaxy Girl please come contribute!
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 13:16:32 GMT -5
finally back home and rested, so I can get some decent content in. First I want to look back at Codex's D3, because it can help shed light on the reasons why I'm currently voting for him. The first few posts were about dedicated to his doc/deputy plan that only zaclord caught onto before the end of D2. I don't think that this post alone is enough to clear zaclord but it definitely makes me feel better about him (and by extension strengthens my Codex vote) I'm pissed. Yeah let's just ignore Codex and discuss who Albie should cop, instead of coordinating the Deputy/Doctor. Results: - Albie got Roleblocked and knows nothing - Kunt is dead because both Deputy/Doctor wasted their time on Albie - Albie is probably going to get NK'd tonight because he can't get saved anymore he then explained it in greater detail after Albie expressed frustration Codex wasn't more specific at the end of D2. Then shortly afterwards throws a vote down on Galaxy Girl waiting for her long-promised summary post. I'm not sure if it was influence from Galaxy Girl rubbing off after the vote, but for the rest of D3 Codex basically mimicked Galaxy Girl's D2, continuously popping in to remind town that he would come back with a detailed post at some point but ending the day without it. Here's the rest of his D3 where when he does post leans he gives little to no reasoning for them other than gut feelings: For example, Codex comes in as a joke vote D1 before Jordan left, and voted Max. Next night, Max died. What does a RVS vote I cast on one of my friends before I even started playing have to do with Max getting NK'd? Sidenote: I'm a bit bogged down with school rn, but I'll try to do a post on everyone tomorrow. Here he jumps on the Snark Knight wagon (vote #3 after me and then zaclord), saying his playing was "off" and he would elaborate tomorrow. in the last 22 hours, only four of the ten alive players have posted, and I'm the only one with more than two posts. I can continue to dig back through the game and make some cases on where we should go from here but if no one is actually reacting, responding, offering their own thoughts or pressuring players there isn't anything new to work off of. Where is everyone? Who do you think is scum? What do you think of my case against Snark Knight? Our wagons are really disorganized and we're coming up on 24 hours to go, this could get really bad really fast for town. I'm sorry, I know I said yesterday that I would post today, but my day got ruined. I had to come home from work early, because I was so exhausted. I took a nap and slept until midnight I just came on Pulse for like 30 minutes, but I have to go back to sleep now to be able to work tomorrow. I will say though that from skimming the thread, Az is my main suspicion. There is something very off about him, which I'll try to elaborate tomorrow. Until then: Vote: Snark KnightThe next time he posts almost 24 hours later (after a larger post he was writing was deleted) Snark Knight has already claimed so he obviously retracts the vote without having to elaborate why, only that he agreed with pretty much everything I had said. (aka a post that screams noncommittal and bandwagony) He also says he has a bad case of tunnel vision and didn't see much else, then votes gravey on the (imo) tenuous normusic is 100% town post that made me think gravey was more town than mafia. s**t. It's my birthday tomorrow, so my friends came over to watch a movie and celebrate... Unvote: AzIn my post that proboards decided to delete while I was f**king writing it, my conclusion ended up being that my decision is to vote for gravey, not as OMGUS, but because of how adamant he was about normusic being town during his wagon yesterday. I'm a bit annoyed, because Az was my main suspicion, and I usually have a bad case of tunnel vision and didn't see much around him. Vote: GraveyIf I'm not too drunk I'll drop in before the deadline So Codex only stated D3 opinions on Galaxy Girl (only before she wrote her long post, didn't comment on the post/GG until EOD when she was listed as an alternate suspicion with gravey), Snark Knight (kind of, but didn't say much before retracting it), and gravey right at EOD. That's 3/9 players, meaning he comes into D4 with a dead mafia he stated no personal opinions on during D3 and a leaves lot of wiggle room with his own opinions. It is good that he's willing to consider clearing players like zaclord but he still remains my strongest mafia lean and my vote stays where it is.
Regarding a Zedd/Galaxy Girl lynch, if those are the only two viable targets near EOD (which I really hope isn't the case and I'll push against), I'd vote Zedd over Galaxy Girl because he's this giant question mark and barrier to discussion that clearly isn't going to change his playstyle near the end of the game. I think he's probably town but if we have to get a mislynch I'd rather it be the poster who isn't helping town in any conceivable way. Obviously not my ideal situation so I'd like to hear other players' thoughts on Codex now that he's shared his points. Later tonight I'll make a post about non-Codex players and my thoughts on them, hopefully by then other players will have checked in. Especially rainie and matteeeb , where are you guys, you haven't said anything of substance on D4 and it's almost 75% over!
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Post by rainie on Oct 15, 2017 13:31:40 GMT -5
It's a new day, but I'm still fairly suspicious of Miloninja and I'd like to hear what others have to say regarding him seeming scum. Hi Galaxy Girl, maybe a more pointed question will get you into the thread. Since you were really suspicious of him, what do you think of milo's flavorclaiming strategy that has several players now giving him a strong town read? If you're still suspicious, why? If you aren't, who is your biggest scum read now? Hey I'm really sorry for being MIA! I wasn't able to get on pulse at all yesterday so as such I couldn't partake in this. Anyways I actually think the flavor claiming is a super smart idea and that it certainly makes milon seem less scummy in my back. Right now I'm leaning towards Zedd being scum, as his absence is pretty suspect and I'm not getting a super strong scum read from anyone else, besides maaaybe Codex. So for the time being: Vote: Zedd Edit: the whole "there's probably one more active mafia member left" theory seems interesting to me, though it could very well not be true since who becomes mafia is random and isn't related to who would likely post more. However I am growing more suspect for Codex, as he seems pretty eager to throw accusations out for very little, he delayed his big post for a while, and then when he finally posted it was just recapping which doesn't really speak to him doing much strategizing to help out the town. I'm still voting Zedd but Codex is close behind.
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 14:30:30 GMT -5
Level 100 reaching. You're giving me a hard time for being slightly inactive in D3, when we have people D4 who haven't even done anything? I'm far from being the most inactive person in this thread. Or even in the top 3 most inactive. Sometimes people have personal / other issues that they need to deal with that are more important than Pulse. Either way, I gave a flimsy vote to try to move the game along, so we don't end the day on a no-lynch, which has happened many times in previous games. I'm also sorry that I agreed with your thoughts? If I wrote my own thoughts which were similar, you'd be saying that I'm just repeating everyone else. I don't think that this post alone is enough to clear zaclord but it definitely makes me feel better about him (and by extension strengthens my Codex vote) You're clearing zaclord and voting me instead, because he agreed with a good plan that I came up with??? I mean if you read my post you'd see that I didn't clear him from his response to your plan, it just made me feel better about him as you said a maf!zaclord would perhaps intentionally not draw attention to it in the hopes that it would be ignored. (zaclord wasn't even convinced about his own clearing in #673 lol) Since my two strongest scum leans are zaclord and you (see early D4) naturally anything that weakens my lean on one of the players is going to strengthen the lean against the other or at the very least increase the likelihood of voting the other. My reasons for voting you don't have to do with the plan you came up with at the end of D2, they have to do with the fact that your D3 didn't have any original information or ideas which was very different from your D2. I understand the life shit getting in the way (the past two weekends during game day phases I've had 4 hour drives back and forth) but I wish when you had posted D3 it contained more analysis and less nodding with other posts. You can support a case by adding new points to it. It's surely better than saying "I agree with everything x poster said", that allows you to be fully shielded by the original poster's case. Sure you've been more active than Zedd but I hold experienced players to a higher standard than new players. If we just lynched based on inactivity mafia would win every single game. Anyway, I'll think about it a bit more. I'm not 100% set on Galaxy Girl, I just really didn't like that post she made at the end of D3, and she's in the list of players that aren't cleared yet. What else do you guys think we should look at? Based on the two main lynch wagons, I can't find anything interesting, because everyone basically bandwagoned on Norm or BB, and defended the other. So... It doesn't narrow down anything. I agree with this, it's annoying that most players jumped on the Barbie wagon with little to no reasoning (other than "it's better than gravey") since it makes analyzing that wagon nearly impossible. Inactivity throughout the game is killing us, as everyone is scrambling to get a lynch in at EOD. Hopefully we can avoid that D4 but so far it's not looking good. Town seems in near-unanimous agreement that milo is cleared, and fuzzier clears that some players feel strongly about on gravey and zaclord. So if I'm correct that leaves Codex, GG, Zedd (and myself) as players that no one has suggested as cleared today? I'll look at Galaxy Girl's game post-D2 later tonight to refresh myself on how she's played after the normusic vote since that's what I'm mainly basing my town lean of her on as of now. For the record she also voted normusic early on D1 before the wagon eventually shifted over to Broccoli (and she never moved off normusic to Broccoli D1). Again I'm not sure that a Barbie/normusic/Galaxy Girl mafia would be concerned with bussing that early on D1. Here's her D1 vote: Alright, after reading through the thread a couple times and thinking about things count me in on the normusic train. He seemed really quick to throw out accusations and make posts persuading people to vote webinator with very little evidence in very short posts. I agree that he also came across as defensive in his latest post, particularly the "not that I feel attacked part." Also the quick flip to Zedd, while not suspect on its own, shows me that he may just be willing to follow the numbers in order to get people off his own back, which is further shown by the fact that not only did he largely piggy back on other people's arguements for both web and Zedd, he also stole whatever picks were looking popular at the time. Vote: normusic I have some homework to do and then dinner so I'll be on tonight with a closer look at GG. It would also help if matteeeb came in here, put down a vote, offered thoughts on players, literally anything other than what he's doing now.
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 15, 2017 14:57:02 GMT -5
I'm still convinced that the remaining mafia member has to be an experienced player. Snark Knight is obviously 100% town, which leaves only two options, Thewebinator and Codex. At this point, im still unsure which one of you it would be, since I get a big town lean from both of you, but I just can't see the Mafia being 3 new pulse mafia players, that wouldn't end well for the Mafia.
Anyways, just to have a vote out there: Vote Thewebinator.
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 15, 2017 15:02:28 GMT -5
Also, can we get an update on the votes?
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 15, 2017 15:25:07 GMT -5
Thanks for finally coming in to offer some thoughts Galaxy Girl. I was hoping my vote (on top of Codex's) would bring you out of the woodwork! Totally get that life gets in the way, just pop in as much as you can so that we can make an educated analysis from everyone's opinions before lynching someone.
We have 30 hours to come to a consensus and we haven't made much progress. It seems like the only ones safe this round are gravey, miloninja, and Az. I won't add my name to that list unless Az changes his mind on me. But that leaves thewebinator, Galaxy Girl, Codex, and Zedd (and me). I will strongly argue against a webinator lynch today so that leaves Galaxy Girl and Zedd who have barely been active in D4 (and Zedd barely in the game in general) and Codex who I am suspicious of but at least he's been putting in more of an effort. I've got small defenses for both Galaxy and Codex on what they've done to look less suspicious (normusic going hard after Galaxy Girl on D2, and Codex going hard after normusic on D2 with a handful of other things). But I really don't have anything to clear Zedd.
I still think what we need to look at is how Barbie tried to use complicated math to prove that it was highly likely at least one experienced player was in the mafia. I find that super sketchy now knowing she was in the mafia and it looks like she was trying to direct our attention toward the bigger players here. Codex, webinator, Az, and I she listed as 'experienced'. That leaves Galaxy Girl, Zedd, miloninja, and gravey as 'inexperienced'. With Zedd coming in for the first time in D4 to say that he thinks an experienced player is behind the last mafia seat, that makes me suspicious. However, I'm surprised his vote went to webinator over me or Codex who already have votes on them. Any reason why webinator is more suspicious than me or Codex, Zedd?
Changing my vote to Zedd right now.
Updated votes: Galaxy Girl - Codex Zedd - zaclord, Galaxy Girl Codex - thewebinator zaclord - Az
NO VOTES - miloninja, gravey (now is not the time to sit back and relax fellas)
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Post by matteeeb on Oct 15, 2017 15:52:07 GMT -5
Thanks for finally coming in to offer some thoughts Galaxy Girl. I was hoping my vote (on top of Codex's) would bring you out of the woodwork! Totally get that life gets in the way, just pop in as much as you can so that we can make an educated analysis from everyone's opinions before lynching someone. We have 30 hours to come to a consensus and we haven't made much progress. It seems like the only ones safe this round are gravey, miloninja, and Az. I won't add my name to that list unless Az changes his mind on me. But that leaves thewebinator, Galaxy Girl, Codex, and Zedd (and me). I will strongly argue against a webinator lynch today so that leaves Galaxy Girl and Zedd who have barely been active in D4 (and Zedd barely in the game in general) and Codex who I am suspicious of but at least he's been putting in more of an effort. I've got small defenses for both Galaxy and Codex on what they've done to look less suspicious (normusic going hard after Galaxy Girl on D2, and Codex going hard after normusic on D2 with a handful of other things). But I really don't have anything to clear Zedd. I still think what we need to look at is how Barbie tried to use complicated math to prove that it was highly likely at least one experienced player was in the mafia. I find that super sketchy now knowing she was in the mafia and it looks like she was trying to direct our attention toward the bigger players here. Codex, webinator, Az, and I she listed as 'experienced'. That leaves Galaxy Girl, Zedd, miloninja, and gravey as 'inexperienced'. With Zedd coming in for the first time in D4 to say that he thinks an experienced player is behind the last mafia seat, that makes me suspicious. However, I'm surprised his vote went to webinator over me or Codex who already have votes on them. Any reason why webinator is more suspicious than me or Codex, Zedd?Changing my vote to Zedd right now. Updated votes: Galaxy Girl - CodexZedd - zaclord, Galaxy GirlCodex - thewebinatorzaclord - AzNO VOTES - miloninja, gravey (now is not the time to sit back and relax fellas) I don't have any reason to suspect you of being mafia, so that's why I didn't vote you. I only voted Webinator over Codex because Web doesn't have any votes against him thus far in the day, and I think that he should be an option to look closer into.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Oct 15, 2017 16:19:01 GMT -5
I'm gonna try and do an update soon though I can only do it from my phone as I am now without internet for the next week or possibly longer unfortunately but I am in my new house thankfully!
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 16:19:29 GMT -5
a quick really important note to throw out here as I glanced back over the beginning of Galaxy Girl's game before dinner. Here are her first three posts of the entire game: First, a hello/introduction post asking questions about how the voting works. So I've played this type of game before irl but never on pulse. We gonna do some organized way of voting? Or just throw names out there like Kunt has been doing haha. Second, a post apologizing for her inactivity (the first of many lol), where she expresses being overwhelmed with forum mafia over irl mafia, and then a quick joke about gravey. Hey guys, sorry I've been largely inactive lately. I've been busy with school, and frankly kind of overwhelmed with this, as its way harder to tell people's intentions over the internet and there's so much more strategy and intracecies. I'll cast my vote later tonight, but I want to get a better read on things first. Tempted to vote gravey since he isn't likely to ever do anything tho Third, and the post I quoted above, her vote on normusic. Alright, after reading through the thread a couple times and thinking about things count me in on the normusic train. He seemed really quick to throw out accusations and make posts persuading people to vote webinator with very little evidence in very short posts. I agree that he also came across as defensive in his latest post, particularly the "not that I feel attacked part." Also the quick flip to Zedd, while not suspect on its own, shows me that he may just be willing to follow the numbers in order to get people off his own back, which is further shown by the fact that not only did he largely piggy back on other people's arguements for both web and Zedd, he also stole whatever picks were looking popular at the time. Vote: normusic So if Galaxy Girl is the last mafia that means that in a Barbie/Galaxy Girl/normusic mafia team that Galaxy Girl's first post of substance she voted one of her teammates who only had two other votes at the time? (myself, Zedd) She never shifted off normusic on D1 and promptly voted him again at the start of D2. That doesn't seem like a move that a first-time forum mafia player who was scum would do imo. I'll look at her post-D2 normusic vote posts after dinner but this initial look back made my town lean of Galaxy Girl stronger. Here's Galaxy Girl's first vote of D2 on normusic (her third post of that day)
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 15, 2017 18:18:37 GMT -5
Alright, so I decided to go in and analyze my current vote's (Zedd's) posting history and here are all of his posts for the whole game. You can click on the hyperlinked day/time of the post to bring you back to the original post for more context. D1: I've got no clue what y'all talking about so:/ I understand the objective of the game and the rules, im just unsure on how were supposed to even find out who's on what side when we start off with only one piece of information, your role. I agree that just voting off the inactive people first round isn't smart, since nobody knows what is going on yet this early in the game. And a summary on the terms would be quite helpful Thanks Web. Got a basic understanding now Also fair warning; I'm going to the Royal Melbourne Show today so I'mma be virtually useless all day. I'll have my phone but even then expect short posts at best. Sorry. Have fun! Vote: NormusicI will most likely be changing this, just want to have a vote out there in case something happens. Worth noting even though this wasn't Zedd speaking: Vote: Zedd There are still quite a lot of players who haven't contribute anything but some more or less stupid questions about game in general (not this particular game) and Zedd apper the most scumy because he's one of those who keeps constant activity so they won't get voted because of inactivity but still they don't contribute anything to this game. So this vote can easily be changed if I get some opinion on game from Zedd. I'm new to mafia which is probably obvious at this point so please correct me if any of the previous asumptions are wrong. I'm also not the best in english so feel free to correct my grammer and spelling since I don't have time or patience to go checking every word into a dictionary. So I re-read some things and re-arranged my thoughts, not because I feel threatened or anything but I think I need to I think I do seem like a douchebag lol But it's true we really have to help town and use the different roles wisely People helping doesn't really hurt our chances So I'm changing my vote: Vote: Zedd Just because I feel like of all people who tried to help he did the least and I just have a strange feeling about him I guess Willtry to be or active on this and follow along more strongly Back to Zedd on D1: For the record I have been quiet because ive been travelling around for the past few days and I won't be back until tomorrow tonight, iil try and get a post up before the first day is over with my thoughts and opinions on everything. Kunt: Has been both active and beneficial to the game so far, I would say that he is town leaning for sure. Thewebinator: Town leaning for sure, he helped clarify some stuff to the new players (me) and has been putting in tons of effort so far, and looks like he'll be beneficial to the town. Gravey: I get a small town lead from him just based on his analysis and posts so far, but im still suspicious of him, and will continue to be. Az: Town lean. Not much to say about him, but he seems to be town because of him wanting everyone to more active. Figurative: Not sure what to think of her game yet, has been quite on most things which is kind of suspicious, but not enough to accuse her of anything. Null Stacey: Scum leaning. Hasn't contributed anything too relevant yet, getting an analysis from him would be helpful. BackwoodsBarbie: Town lean. Really don't have an opinion on him just yet personally, but he is providing good information and has proven himself to be useful thus far. Miloninja: Scum. Keeps changing his vote which is VERY suspicious, and it looks like he is trying to make himself look weak for some reason? Not sure what he's doing Albie: Town leaning. Has given us good information and reasoning so far, which will be beneficial to the town. Broccoli: Scum. Looks like he isn't interested in putting in the effort needed in the game, and has been pretty suspicious based off of his posts so this screams Scum to me. Rose: Null. Has been giving out good information and looks like he'll be a good player. But none of his posts/vote have really stood out to me as favoring one side over the other. Zaclord: Null. He voted Normusic after everyone else did so he might be jumping on the bandwagon? Or he voted Nor because he was being suspicious? I don't know just yet because he he has been laying low. Normusic: Scum lean. Mostly everything hes posted so far has been questionable, likewise because he has the most votes. I would rather we go after someone like Broccoli or Miloninja honestly since they are much more scummy then him, but I can't control that, just give my thoughts on it. I will be keeping my vote on Normusic for the time being simply because if I remove my vote on him then the vote will be tied between him and I, but I am defiantly fine with changing that to Broccoli or Milo if we have the numbers to do it. * her for BackwoodsBarbie If I vote Broccoli then that puts us up to 6 votes. Do we need a majority or is it just whoever has the most votes? ***here he asked this question and miloninja answered in under a minute, yet it took him nearly 40 more minutes to switch his vote OFF normusic when he could've been the nail in the coffin if he moved to broccoli earlier. Why would he have wanted to keep his vote on a fellow mafia and get a mislynch over lynching someone he thought was town? Ugh they both went online. Rip D2: Im here. I just haven't had time to write up a long post on stuff. Sorry for being a burden Zedd appears 5 minutes after being mentioned, and he wasnt even tagged? I got Castle's tag from 2 hours ago, just a coincidence I guess. Let me re read everything, im busy until tonight so I will probably have a post within 4-5 or so hours. ^ lmao calm down im typing my message rn. Once again I apologize for holding the town back thus far, I will try and be more active but I understand if you guys have to take me out. Anyways, the "inactive" players thus far have undistubtly been me and Gravey, with me being the least active so far. Now that is quite obvious, but tbh I get suspicious when people start posting too much, especially when they aren't telling us anything useful. There's a few of you who I noticed have been doing/done that, but not enough for me to make anything of it just yet. The same kind of goes for the people who type lots and often, it almost seems like you're trying to put the focus on others so you can fly under the radar and hide yourself as scum. Honestly I shouldn't be talking about how many posts people should make when I myself have been "inactive", but it's just something ive noticed. Same goes with the people who feel the need to defend themselves when they literally only have one/two votes against them, and they reply with their defense super quick. I imagine that all of you are making your posts carefully, and you should know if you've done anything to put a target on your back, so why are you jumping in to defend yourself when you know that you aren't the target/ know you haven't done anything suspicious? It's a super suspicious and scummy move getting all defensive when you haven't done anything worth being accused of imo. One of you in particular I think is doing this, but I don't see a need to name that person in public just yet. My scum leans haven't changed much since D1,im still analyzing Mylo/ Nor's post very closely, but I am also now suspicious of Zaclord, like Gravey said he has been saying both null and scum things, but the harder you are to read the more scummy you seem to me. Vote: Normusic. He still to me is the most suspicious out of all of my scum leans, but this obviously could change. imo it would be helpful if you attached names to your accusation (specifically the line in red) , otherwise your statement is pretty similar to Galaxy Girl's "some of the more talkative players are suspicious but I don't want to start s**t" . If not, why don't you want to name someone who you think is acting "super suspicious and scummy"? I know you've focused on the newer players like mylo, gravey, normusic and zaclord (idk if he counts in the inexperienced camp or not), but what do you think about the more experienced, active posters? (myself, Kunt, Albie, Snark Knight, etc.) Since you've been gone for quite a while I'm curious if your opinions on these players have changed at all. I just don't see the need to name them yet, I don't need someone being mad at me for accusing them of something. Out of the four of you, none of you have really raised that much suspicion of being scum (but their is a very high chance of at least one of you four being in the Mafia). But if I had to pick one, I would say Albie is most likely to be in the Mafia because of his responses, but like I said im not onto any of you yet. matteeeb - Complete Null, inactivity makes no idea. Zedd - Scum lean, - yeah I agree, he has not posted anything too benefitial yet. So you called me scum for not speaking on D1, but you called me null for not speaking on D2?? I assume you just made a mistake typing, but still two similar thoughts but two different votes? Hmmm D3: Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but I found it interesting how Gravey insisted that Normusic was town (basically defending him) when he had votes on D1, still believed he was "100% town" on D2, and only voted him after we all did to avoid being an odd man out. I know he hasn't done enough yet to be considered suspicious of being apart of the scum, but still it's just something ive noticed. Have to say I agree with everything BackwoodsBarbie said about Gravey. Vote: Gravey @walker9 can you elaborate on your "all the scum are voting me" comment, specifically towards me? Since you think im a town lean. Hi matteeeb , since Galaxy Girl revealed who she was talking about (Albie/Snark Knight) in her post similar to yours and it's already D3, would you now please elaborate what you meant by the red text? You haven't posted much today and your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Az Paynter , what is the current state of your leans outside of myself? You haven't listed any real thoughts on players D3 other than being against Codex's protective roles plan and voting for me. It was Normusic. I can explain more in detail in a few hours. It was Normusic. I can explain more in detail in a few hours. I figured nobody would guess my vote would be the person I was referring too. It was odd how he was always defending himself when he only got a few votes, it screamed scum to me and im glad you guys saw that. I will check back in in about 4 hours to see where all the votes are, I likely won't be online in the morning so consider my vote in 4 hours to be final. Looks like nobody is going to get lynched though. why do you think no one is getting lynched? We have just over 24 hours left, not 4, but that's still a pretty solid amount of time for people to change votes, especially when we only need 6 to lynch today. If you live in Canada your morning is the same as my morning, so you still have an entire day after the morning to at the very least pop in and change your vote. You haven't said anything about the Snark Knight case on D3, you've only talked about the case against gravey and revealed your normusic suspicions from D2. What do you think about Snark Knight considering the large amount of information that other posters (including myself) have brought against him? You haven't stated many of your opinions on other players so it is worrying to me that you are ready to check out for the rest of the day phase without helping out town by stating your leans and thoughts. Oh I thought it said 11:00AM EST. Misread that, yeah we defiantly should be able to reach a majority by then lol. My town leans at this point are everybody except Gravey/Az. I spoke about Gravey earlier in the day, but looking back at it honestly I just can't envision him being apart of the Mafia, I don't really know how to put it in words but I just can't imagine it, he would've cracked by now assuming he is playing mafia similar to how he plays pulse survivor (which I believe he is playing somewhat of a similar style) Az seems way to defensive this time around which is odd, also pointed out earlier was the fact that he defended Normusic then changed his vote to him when we all did, likely trying to throw the town off track. I know I said earlier that I found Albie to be the most scummy out of the four experienced players, but we all know now that Albie is 100% town which narrows it down to 3. And after looking through everything again, I believe that Az is the new target in the Mafia. Vote: Snark Knight Vote: Barbie Don't see Mylo being apart of the mafia, Snark told us his role, and I already spoke about Gravey. Barbie seems like the only option here. D4: I'm still convinced that the remaining mafia member has to be an experienced player. Snark Knight is obviously 100% town, which leaves only two options, Thewebinator and Codex. At this point, im still unsure which one of you it would be, since I get a big town lean from both of you, but I just can't see the Mafia being 3 new pulse mafia players, that wouldn't end well for the Mafia. Anyways, just to have a vote out there: Vote Thewebinator. Also, can we get an update on the votes? Thanks for finally coming in to offer some thoughts Galaxy Girl. I was hoping my vote (on top of Codex's) would bring you out of the woodwork! Totally get that life gets in the way, just pop in as much as you can so that we can make an educated analysis from everyone's opinions before lynching someone. We have 30 hours to come to a consensus and we haven't made much progress. It seems like the only ones safe this round are gravey, miloninja, and Az. I won't add my name to that list unless Az changes his mind on me. But that leaves thewebinator, Galaxy Girl, Codex, and Zedd (and me). I will strongly argue against a webinator lynch today so that leaves Galaxy Girl and Zedd who have barely been active in D4 (and Zedd barely in the game in general) and Codex who I am suspicious of but at least he's been putting in more of an effort. I've got small defenses for both Galaxy and Codex on what they've done to look less suspicious (normusic going hard after Galaxy Girl on D2, and Codex going hard after normusic on D2 with a handful of other things). But I really don't have anything to clear Zedd. I still think what we need to look at is how Barbie tried to use complicated math to prove that it was highly likely at least one experienced player was in the mafia. I find that super sketchy now knowing she was in the mafia and it looks like she was trying to direct our attention toward the bigger players here. Codex, webinator, Az, and I she listed as 'experienced'. That leaves Galaxy Girl, Zedd, miloninja, and gravey as 'inexperienced'. With Zedd coming in for the first time in D4 to say that he thinks an experienced player is behind the last mafia seat, that makes me suspicious. However, I'm surprised his vote went to webinator over me or Codex who already have votes on them. Any reason why webinator is more suspicious than me or Codex, Zedd?Changing my vote to Zedd right now. Updated votes: Galaxy Girl - CodexZedd - zaclord, Galaxy GirlCodex - thewebinatorzaclord - AzNO VOTES - miloninja, gravey (now is not the time to sit back and relax fellas) I don't have any reason to suspect you of being mafia, so that's why I didn't vote you. I only voted Webinator over Codex because Web doesn't have any votes against him thus far in the day, and I think that he should be an option to look closer into. Essentially, Zedd's early posts on normusic make him seem more town to me. Also with normusic AND Barbie being out to get him on D1, I can't imagine why they would do that as the mafia trio. With normusic also listing Albie, Barbie, and Zedd as his top 3 suspicions, I doubt he would put BOTH of his teammates on that list. So these are the things that are making me think not to vote for Zedd. So while I'm not super convinced of this vote (but really only using the fact at how hard he went after normusic on D2 as a defense), I am voting for Codex.
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 20:49:05 GMT -5
finishing up a post summarizing Galaxy Girl's game but regarding Codex pressing normusic on D2 it seems like a pretty easy bussing opportunity. Normusic was under a lot of pressure D1 and maf!Codex could have viewed him as a dead man walking anyway and seen it as an opportunity for free towncred.
Does it make more sense for a mafia player to defend the scummy-looking normusic and be under the spotlight after he likely gets lynched and flips maf? Or does it make more sense to distance yourself from a player that is likely to get lynched in the near future, knowing that you'll get some towncred for taking out a maf?
I think the latter is more likely in a situation with more than two mafia members alive and with normusic under the large amount of pressure he had D1/D2, but I'm curious to hear the thoughts of other players, specifically zaclord since he listed this as a potential defense for Codex.
That case in isolation doesn't reveal anything towards Codex's affiliation imo, because I think he would have acted the same way whether mafia or town.
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 21:00:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the Zedd analysis zaclord, interesting to see how the bussing strategy between normusic/Barbie/Zedd would have had to been in the very early game for him to make sense as mafia. Here's a peak back at Galaxy Girl's game picking up from where I left off above. Ok Normi so other than a strange feeling about Zedd, who are those other people who really could be threats in your opinion? rainie now that you've read the thread a couple of time, I'm curious what your take on everyone else is? I'm gonna wait till it's been a bit longer and everyone has given their full two cents, but I do have to say that in addition to normusic, I'm growing a bit suspect of a couple of the more talkative people. Don't want to say who yet and start s**t because it's only a faint feeling and I want to get a better feel for things first though. Zedd also being so quiet is a bit suspect, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's because he's still figuring things out. I don't think people being quiet makes then inheritly suspect, at least at this point. The infamous "don't want to start shit" post that I was so adamant about for several days until I finally teased out she meant Albie and Snark Knight, both now confirmed town players. Interesting that she was hesitant to point them out since she knew they were strong players and if she was wrong it would look pretty bad, but not enough to build a full case around and my analysis so far from D1 I believe more than cancels this out. I get what you mean about me jumping on the normusic ship after thinking he seemed suspicious, however I was only the second/third person to vote normusic, while a couple other people begin to be suspicious of him afterwards. Also I like to think I gave a fairly in depth, though short, analysis about why I suspected him, whereas he basically reiterated a few shiory points others had made earlier. Defending her normusic vote D1, (idk if this qualifies as making the vote stronger for you or not Codex but she didn't back down when pushed on it) ...Broccoli was the mayor? Well that was anticlimactic, couldn't that role have at least gone to a good player? There are also these posts after the day's lynch (another one post-Barbie lynch), which some might categorize as tryhard mafia and others as really excited town. I tend to lean towards town but it depends on the situation. (miloninja's post in RT about the Broccoli lynch was a similar play that several people questioned and he's all but cleared town now). Day 2I'm at school right now so I don't have time to type out a long post (I can do that later though) -- however I just want to agree with everyone that says that Kunt's "slipup" is really a reach. That being said if we can't find any other concerte evidence for anyone else, I suppose it's something. I'll cast a proper vote later. Thought that Codex's initial accusation on Kunt was a reach, something maf!normusic jumped on right away. Doesn't completely write it off but doesn't view it with the same opportunity as normusic. Whelp, was about to post my two cents on things but I guess I'm a bit too late? π€·π»ββοΈ I just want to say that while I know this may potentially look scummy, it's way more due to me being a new player and not really knowing what I'm doing. This is the same reason I never threw out accusations towards Zedd, I think he may be doing the same thing. You guys can vote for me if you want, but that's my defense and you'll figure out your mistake soon enough. Here she gets stressed after a few of the stronger players (Kunt, myself) put votes on her and falls into this defeatist mode that I viewed as scummy at the time. Albie comes in to push her out of that loop and she responds with her first (and only) vote of the day, again on normusic. Important to note, we're roughly halfway through D2 and Galaxy Girl has yet to vote for any other player in this game other than normusic, her alleged scumbuddy if she's the final mafia. Galaxy Girl, I can understand the feeling of throwing in the towel but you've only got 3 votes on you and it takes 7 to lynch and its only Wednesday meaning the deadline is 2 days away still. It is not late at all so please go ahead and expand on your thoughts. Not throwing the towel just yet, I'm just kind of annoyed even though I do get everyone's reasoning. I actually do have thoughts about someone else in particular though, which is normusic. Honestly I feel like his thoughts have just been consistent half-assed agreement with everyone else, combined with many one or two extra expendable thoughts. I dunno, I can't really think of anything valueable he has added to discussion, but he keeps posting very frequently (moreso then me) which shows me that he's not very busy and he knows what's going on with the game, he just may have something to hide. Vote: normusic I also get somewhat of a scum read on gravey for similar reasons. That being said I'm much less suspicious of him since this style of posting fits his normal behavior during these games, whereas normusic was very active and made a number of big moves during pulse survivor. It is worth noting that despite his constant talking about it, gravey has posted a grand total of one big analysis, which was basically just agreeing with most of the points other people made, so I am somewhat suspicious of him. also has a slight scumread on gravey due to his lack of contributions but differentiates based on their playstyles in other Pulse games. I recognize that you've posted more since this (and I hope you'll continue for the rest of D2), but this defeatist attitude really doesn't help out town in any way. If you're town, prove it to us rather than daring us to lynch you to find out "our mistake". It can be really annoying to have a wagon form on you but if you're not mafia then there are three other players in the game who are and you have to help town find them. Look through the posts of players who you think are suspicious and point out why you think so to the rest of us. Giving up only helps out the mafia regardless of your affiliation (especially since we still have roughly 2.5 days left) But I did post more after this though. I'm sorry for being a downer and not being super productive initially, but I did provide some analysis afterwards and I'm doing my best to figure out who is mafia while also figuring out how this all works haha. Then begins the saga of Galaxy Girl's mysterious summary post that I pushed her on a bit throughout D2, where she apologizes several times and promises to get it in at the start of D3. Several posts on this that all say this same thing. The day ends with the normusic lynch and Galaxy Girl's vote doesn't move at all after her first vote on normusic. Part 2 coming shortly.
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Post by Az Paynter on Oct 15, 2017 21:03:39 GMT -5
I don't see how Zac understanding your plan makes him more likely to be Town, Codex. You said so yourself; the initial plan you proposed was put the wrong way round (Doc protects Albie N2, Deputy protects N3). You then said it should be the other way around (Deputy N2, Doc N3) so that both protective roles AND Albie would survive.
Doc protecting N2 would mean that N3 scum would take out a Town power regardless (as me protecting Albie N3 would have resulted in my death obvs). They could also take the chance that Albie copped someone other than scum so we'd still have no further leads for two consecutive days.
Zac going 'yeah Town should TOTALLY do this' to back you up would 1) be an attempt to bank some Town!cred and 2) be a bid for Town powers to inadvertently fall into a scum trap (as the mafia could then tailor their actions to counter the Town's course of action).
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 21:11:31 GMT -5
part two... Day 3Reaction to Kunt's death as her first post, then finally the big summary. Definitely not a good look for Galaxy Girl here, where she mentions three players she sees as scummy that we have since collectively determined are either confirmed town or very likely to be town. Alright, finally got my post! Sorry about that everyone. So after re-reading the thread a few times there are a few people that stick out to me as potentially scummy. Let me say first off who, and then why: Milonninja: I probably have the strongest read of him being mafia. Looking through the past couple days I noticed a very distinct pattern among his posts -- basically he would throw out a name wildly with little reason about why they're specifically guilty, then eventually jump ship to who everyone else is voting. Now this could just be newbie behavior, but basically all his posts have been either this or him being defensive on the couple occasions he has been accused. I dunno, this reads pretty scummy to me, and the fact that he's been especially quiet the last couple irl days certainly doesn't help things in my book. Gravey: He's been employing a similar tactic, though he at least appears to be TRYING to play and be helpful which makes him a bit less scummy. His recap post was more or less just him repeating what other people have said and piggybacking off their opinion imo, but honestly I'm less suspicious of him just for the sole fact that he's gravey and this is his normal style of gameplay. For what it's worth he waited even longer then I did to make his main summary post, but I'd be a hypocrite if I said that made him read scum. I honestly think that just meant he was busy during that time. Snark Knight: Let me explain this one a bit. So when I mentioned before there was one or two people who I read as scum but didn't want to refer to because I didn't want to start s**t, I meant Alvie and to a less extent Snark Knight. Now Albie at this point is all but confirmed town, but the reason I thought he and SK read potentially scum is because of how insistent and controlling they seemed. Now neither person was/is blatantly bossy, but the way that they seemed to want to organize the votes and have everyone follow their strategy felt a bit scum to me. Now this was mainly towards the beginning and Albie did this way more then SK did, but I have noticed as of late not only has SK still continued to want everyone to follow their strategy, he's also seemed to be stretching out his long posts with fluff, among other things taking a paragraph to reiterate that he wasn't sure about who was guilty. I dunno, I feel less confident about him then my other two suspects, but there's likely at least one more experienced player that's scum and he's my best guess for who it may be. Honorable mentioned to Zedd who's been fairly inactive lately -- other then that I wouldn't say he reads as super scummy, but the fact that a talented pulse games player like himself has been posting as little as he has when he's still been active on other parts of the forum feels a bit sus to me, and I'll def be keeping my eye on him. Vote: Milonninja72 She also hasn't mentioned BackwoodsBarbie once this entire game so it's difficult to see the evolution of her through process there. Starts to push pretty hard on milo for the rest of D3, and also suspects Zedd in this post: I'm sorry, but the way Zedd piggybacked on one of the only people not voting for him's post with nothing more then a "yup I agree" feels verrrrry scum to me. I'm still sticking with my original suspicion for now, but Zedd is probably the second scummiest seeming person left. This next post is pretty good, it's solid analysis on some definitely scummy play from milo that deserved to be called out. Hey, sorry about the absence. I've been following along, I just didn't feel the need to pop in and say anything until now. While my Av suspicion turned out to be inaccurate, I still stand by Miloninja being very suspect and I'm not sure why more people aren't calling him on it. So you did not think that the previous day factor of Norm voting and trying to get her lynched nonstop affects if she is Town or Maf? All this makes me believe that she is Town and not Maf. I mean it could happen, but I doubt that norm would have tried to aggressively get Anna lynched if she was Maf. Idk. Miloninja seems hellbent on voting me, not realizing what went down on the last page, almost like he's trying to start a bandwagon for a random person and then not flip because that's seen as scummy. His primary logic seems to be people voted for her before and the fact that he decided I was suspect right after I voted for him feels verrry suspicious. Option 1: Az is telling the truth Pros: He provided a reasonable explanation for not saving Kunt if he was deputy, and saving himself on Night 2 is also very believable. It also would explain some of his defensive nature, as he didn't want town to eliminate their deputy. It would make sense to reveal now, so that town could avoid that elimation. Cons: Am I wrong, or does this mean mafia will target him tonight? If so, is he suggesting that doctor should save him instead of Albie? Or he's willing to take the risk, for the town? I understand it could be worrying with the vote count, but if you're telling the truth you probably have an understanding of what will happen tonight. And unlike Albie, there isn't much punishment if you are lying. No one would be able to say if you were, aside from albie. And in this situation, Albie is getting stuck in an awkward place on who to search. And if he was lying, I'm not sure if the actual deputy would come out (and if it's someone like Backwoods, who hasn't been on in a long time, he wouldn't need to worry). These are all obviously speculations, but we have limited time and I reaaaally don't want a mislynch. Part 2 coming soon! BTW, my vote is changed to gravey for now, to avoid a lynch just yet. VOTE: GRAVEY Based off this post, Miloninja really doesn't seem to have a general sense of how the game works and some of the strategy. Now I won't fault him for this, as I'm new as well and still learning, but it feels like he's trying way too hard to show people he knows what he's doing and basically just trying to bulls hit his way through an analysis. More then this though, the way he ended it feels very scummy. "I reaalllly don't want a mislynch" feels a bit like he's trying to convince people how town he is, and about that Part 2...I don't see it anywhere in sight. It's not even like the first post was that long or contained information, just that he seemed to make us want to think it was. Also notice how he turned to gravey right after gravey called him on his sh it...not only did it take him way too long to do that and he only did it once people explained why it was completely illogical, he's now 2/2 this day for voting for people who called him out. Granted he wasn't the first person to hop on the gravey train (ha), but that honestly makes it even more scum-feeling since he just joined a bandwagon that he knew others would get behind too that targeted someone who he thought could potentially call him on his bluff. I know I may seem hypocritical for doing this since I'm talking about how scummy the person who initially voted for me is, but I thought that before he voted for me and even after he changed his vote I still think this. Edit: As I was typing this milon came out with a summary of who the suspects are which could be seen as "part two," but it was a small post with no description of why, and it feels like the type of fluff post a mafia would make to seem helpful but not actually be. Her last post of the day is a quick flip from milo to Barbie, which is the first time she's mentioned Barbie the entire game. She had a scum lean earlier in the game on gravey, but without elaboration it's hard to tell whether this vote is distancing from her scumbuddy or using the analysis of other players' interpretations of gravey's near-lynch posts to pick Barbie instead. She was the sixth vote on the Barbie train, which doesn't earn her any more town points. I really think people are overlooking Miloninja, but between Gravey and BackwoodsBarbie I'd sooner take the latter. Vote: BackwoodsBarbie Then we get to the post Codex really doesn't like where Galaxy Girl attempts to start a last-second wagon on milo over Barbie. Makes sense since milo was her main scumread for D3 but knowing the affiliations now doesn't look great. Wait, it may be too late for this, but how many people would change their current vote to miloninja? We could possible have enough for a last minute lynch. Backwood Barbie does lean scum to me so I wouldn't be too salty if she got lynched instead, but if we can somehow get enough votes to pull off a last minute target change... Galaxy Girl's D3 was definitely her worst looking day, but it would be pretty hypocritical of me to suggest that she's scum for having a wrong read on miloninja throughout D3 considering my Snark Knight crusade during the same phase. milo made some really scummy looking posts and his affiliation wasn't obviously town until his strategy early D4. Day 4Ayyy congratulations guys! Exhibit B of the post-lynch celebrations that got a warning from castleoblivion. Again this reads newbie town to me over scum but I can see where others would interpret it as mafia trying hard to be happy about a dead teammate. It's a new day, but I'm still fairly suspicious of Miloninja and I'd like to hear what others have to say regarding him seeming scum. Picks up where she left off from miloninja (this is pre-his flavorclaim strategy) Hi Galaxy Girl, maybe a more pointed question will get you into the thread. Since you were really suspicious of him, what do you think of milo's flavorclaiming strategy that has several players now giving him a strong town read? If you're still suspicious, why? If you aren't, who is your biggest scum read now? Hey I'm really sorry for being MIA! I wasn't able to get on pulse at all yesterday so as such I couldn't partake in this. Anyways I actually think the flavor claiming is a super smart idea and that it certainly makes milon seem less scummy in my back. Right now I'm leaning towards Zedd being scum, as his absence is pretty suspect and I'm not getting a super strong scum read from anyone else, besides maaaybe Codex. So for the time being: Vote: Zedd Edit: the whole "there's probably one more active mafia member left" theory seems interesting to me, though it could very well not be true since who becomes mafia is random and isn't related to who would likely post more. However I am growing more suspect for Codex, as he seems pretty eager to throw accusations out for very little, he delayed his big post for a while, and then when he finally posted it was just recapping which doesn't really speak to him doing much strategizing to help out the town. I'm still voting Zedd but Codex is close behind. Finally moves to Zedd based on his continued inactivity after agreeing milo's strategy is a pretty clear town indication. Summary
I think the early game information in my posts above are more telling than the information in this later-game post. I don't see maf!Galaxy Girl pushing so hard on normusic on D1 out of the gate if they were teammates, and I don't see her voting teammate normusic at the start of D2 to try and deflect pressure from her own smallish wagon, especially when there were other inexperienced townies that could have had similar cases built against them (milo, gravey, Zedd). She made some wrong calls in D3 in regards to milo but I can see the reasoning behind her posts (aka that case doesn't seem fabricated to me). Right now she's kind of stuck in the same place as Zedd where they are having a harder time reading the more experienced players and as a result either are throwing out a vote in the hopes others build a case on them (Zedd), or looking harder at the newer players and trying to find scummy play (Galaxy Girl). In this situation it's helpful to start clearing out the players you think are town, and then look closer at who you have left. It's what most players have been doing and what has led us to our reduced pool of lynch targets. I definitely stand by my earlier reasoning that Galaxy Girl isn't a good lynch target today, and would push back against her lynch today.
Finally @walker9 and Mylo13 π , there's no excuse to have no vote down at this point, you can change it if you find new information but just because most people in town find both of you clear doesn't give you the license to stop posting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 21:19:32 GMT -5
Vote - Codex still believe that it's him.
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Post by zaclord π on Oct 15, 2017 21:31:33 GMT -5
finishing up a post summarizing Galaxy Girl's game but regarding Codex pressing normusic on D2 it seems like a pretty easy bussing opportunity. Normusic was under a lot of pressure D1 and maf!Codex could have viewed him as a dead man walking anyway and seen it as an opportunity for free towncred. Does it make more sense for a mafia player to defend the scummy-looking normusic and be under the spotlight after he likely gets lynched and flips maf? Or does it make more sense to distance yourself from a player that is likely to get lynched in the near future, knowing that you'll get some towncred for taking out a maf?
I think the latter is more likely in a situation with more than two mafia members alive and with normusic under the large amount of pressure he had D1/D2, but I'm curious to hear the thoughts of other players, specifically zaclord since he listed this as a potential defense for Codex.
That case in isolation doesn't reveal anything towards Codex's affiliation imo, because I think he would have acted the same way whether mafia or town. Definitely agree with what you're saying here. It's totally plausible that this was Codex's plan all along. I just remember that he was one of the earlier posters that was all over normusic - Albie being the other. Albie had good reason to push for normusic though, while Codex didn't really. No one else other than Albie, Codex, and normusic really were vocal about who they were wanting lynched since it was D2 and no one really knew anything at that point (other than Albie and mafia). So maybe it was Codex's strategy the whole time - to throw normusic under the bus so that he could ride that stance out for several more rounds. It would be a much better play long-term to be one of the "townies" with the pitchfork to take down a mafia member and build trust with the town rather than trying to keep all the mafia in tact by defending them. Especially when your mafia teammate was already a big target on D1 just for their posting behavior. The cut your losses and build credibility while you're at it could be a great move. So while I'm still not sold on Codex, I do think he's a better lynch than Zedd or Galaxy Girl today.
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Post by Web on Oct 15, 2017 21:38:41 GMT -5
Current Vote Count (5 needed for majority lynch)
(1) Galaxy Girl - Codex (1) Zedd - Galaxy Girl (3) Codex - thewebinator, zaclord, gravey (1) zaclord - Az (1) thewebinator - Zedd
NO VOTE - miloninja
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