Billboard Hot 100: 11/4/2017

[renfield75]

Oct 19, 2017 12:31:56 GMT -5 inverse said:

Oct 19, 2017 8:48:52 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Oof at LWYMMD. At least when "Die Young" took those huge plunges it was understandable because of Sandy Hook. Outside circumstances affected its airplay. People outside Taylor's (admittedly considerable) fanbase really just didn't care much for LWYMMD.

Wait THAT's why the song fell that hard? That's so stupid, I mean I get it but still poor Kesha I feel like she got robbed of like a top 30 spot on the 2013 year end list because of stuff she never could have predicted that has nothing to do with the quality of her song (which I like alot)

also LOL at -6.6 for Look What You Made Me Do

It made sense at the time...as people were hearing about 5 year olds being shot to death on the news Kesha belting out "we're gonna die young" on the radio was very unsettling. No one wanted to hear that. The song had already peaked anyway, but it collapsed after that event. It happens; a lot of songs fell hard after 9/11. A goofy fun song like Afroman's "Because I Got High" just didn't fit the national mood and dropped quickly.

[Dylan :)]

Oct 19, 2017 15:51:28 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Oct 19, 2017 12:31:56 GMT -5 inverse said:

Wait THAT's why the song fell that hard? That's so stupid, I mean I get it but still poor Kesha I feel like she got robbed of like a top 30 spot on the 2013 year end list because of stuff she never could have predicted that has nothing to do with the quality of her song (which I like alot)

also LOL at -6.6 for Look What You Made Me Do

It made sense at the time...as people were hearing about 5 year olds being shot to death on the news Kesha belting out "we're gonna die young" on the radio was very unsettling. No one wanted to hear that. The song had already peaked anyway, but it collapsed after that event. I don't think anyone, even Kesha, was thinking "poor Kesha won't make the year end top 30 now!" as parents were grieving on TV. It happens; a lot of songs fell hard after 9/11. A goofy fun song like Afroman's "Because I Got High" just didn't fit the national mood and dropped quickly.

I think Pumped Up Kicks and to a lesser extent Titanium were the same. From Wikipedia:

On December 15, 2012, the day after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting transpired, the song was withdrawn from some radio stations, causing "Not Your Fault Kesha" to trend on social networking site Twitter. The withdrawal sent out a mixed response online. Responding to the event, Kesha tweeted: "I'm so so so sorry for anyone who has been affected by this tragedy and I understand why my song is now inappropriate. Words cannot express." In a separate tweet, Kesha confessed that she had no control over the lyrical content of the song and was forced to sing it. Despite being credited as a songwriter on the track, she did not contribute to the chorus lyrically, as this part was written by Nate Ruess, although she reaffirmed that she fully resonated with the song's message; the tweet verifying this was later deleted.

[scrohr424]

Kesha was "forced to sing those lyrics"? Well, she didn't write the song, and if those are lyrics she didn't feel comfortable singing, she shouldn't have taken the song. Not a peg against the song though, because I do like it.

[wjr15]

Oct 19, 2017 20:52:32 GMT -5 scrohr424 said:

Kesha was "forced to sing those lyrics"? Well, she didn't write the song, and if those are lyrics she didn't feel comfortable singing, she shouldn't have taken the song. Not a peg against the song though, because I do like it.

This was back when she was under the control of Dr Luke. He probably forced her to take the song or threatened to not let her release the album. Similar to what all went down 2014-2017.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Oct 20, 2017 0:35:29 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

Oct 19, 2017 20:52:32 GMT -5 scrohr424 said:

Kesha was "forced to sing those lyrics"? Well, she didn't write the song, and if those are lyrics she didn't feel comfortable singing, she shouldn't have taken the song. Not a peg against the song though, because I do like it.

This was back when she was under the control of Dr Luke. He probably forced her to take the song or threatened to not let her release the album. Similar to what all went down 2014-2017.

Oh, yes, FORCED to sing a #1 Pop, #2 H100 and 3x Platinum single. Just horrible. Good grief. There is NOTHING objectionable about the content - there was no point in revisionist history: “It’s a celebration song, which I’m obviously known for writing those....” Guess she was forced to say that too.

All I can say is that I can wait until AC flips to Xmas to flush out SOY for eight weeks before it rockets back into Top 10 for year-end countdown shows.

[Oprah]

Oct 19, 2017 9:20:39 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Remember when Meghan Trainor was a thing?

No.

[Harx]

Oct 20, 2017 1:36:11 GMT -5 Oprah said:

Oct 19, 2017 9:20:39 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

Remember when Meghan Trainor was a thing?

No.

You're lucky then!

[wjr15]

Oct 20, 2017 0:56:58 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Oct 20, 2017 0:35:29 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

This was back when she was under the control of Dr Luke. He probably forced her to take the song or threatened to not let her release the album. Similar to what all went down 2014-2017.

Oh, yes, FORCED to sing a #1 Pop, #2 H100 and 3x Platinum single. Just horrible. Good grief. There is NOTHING objectionable about the content - there was no point in revisionist history: “It’s a celebration song, which I’m obviously known for writing those....” Guess she was forced to say that too.

All I can say is that I can wait until AC flips to Xmas to flush out SOY for eight weeks before it rockets back into Top 10 for year-end countdown shows.

Kesha was never into the dance pop music. She always wanted to release more rock music but because she was on Dr Luke's label, he pushed for the dance pop. The follow up singles C'mon and Crazy Kids were both in the same vein as Die Young. Just because a song was a hit, doesn't mean the artist actually liked the song. Look at Warrior and all of the rock influences on that album but it was the party dance pop songs that the label pushed.

[Deleted]

LWYMMD is actually reminding me of No in more ways than one. The early buzz, the dissappointing chorus, the attempt to shed previous image, the payola-induced rise on radio, the EPIC fall after only a few weeks, etc.

Oh dear... That next single is gonna be a career-killing disaster if this keeps up.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 10/20/2017
1. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (154.156) (+1.424)
2. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (145.504) (-0.274)
3. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (128.549) (-0.890)
4. (=) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (120.642) (+0.020)
5. (=) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (116.952) (-1.283)
6. (=) FRENCH MONTANA - Unforgettable f/Swae Lee (112.248) (-0.595)
7. (+2) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (111.066) (+1.827)
8. (=) P!NK - What About Us (109.108) (-0.220) ***
9. (+2) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (104.101) (+3.732) ***
10. (-3) TAYLOR SWIFT - Look What You Made Me Do (102.463) (-7.262)
11. (-1) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (100.703) (-0.820)
12. (=) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (99.419) (+1.215)
13. (=) CARDI B - Bodak Yellow (95.828) (-0.562)
14. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Believer (95.444) (-0.448)
15. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (89.138) (+2.605)
16. (+1) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (86.399) (+1.710) ***
17. (-1) THE CHAINSMOKERS & COLDPLAY - Something Just Like This (85.092) (-0.128)
18. (+1) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (81.387) (+0.844)
19. (-1) CHEAT CODES - No Promises f/Demi Lovato (80.691) (-1.865)
20. (+1) KESHA - Praying (78.631) (+0.180)

Others:
23. (+1) YO GOTTI F/NICKI MINAJ - Rake It Up f/Nicki Minaj (68.149) (+1.030)
29. (+2) KIP MOORE - More Girls Like You (59.887) (+1.377)
31. (+1) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (59.768) (+1.868)
32. (+1) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (58.739) (+2.664)
35. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOYALTY. f/ Rihanna (54.222) (-1.107)
40. (+3) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (45.846) (+2.475)
43. (+2) LANCO - Greatest Love Story (44.043) (+1.283)
75. (=) GUCCI MANE - I Get The Bag f/Migos (27.113) (+1.016)

[Deleted]

A BIGGER fall than last time? Oh boy.

[jenglisbe]

Well, Swift will fall below "SOY," but at least Maroon 5 are there to keep "SOY" out of the top 10.

[vocech123]

Does anyone know if the US Spanish format counts on Hot 100?

[jayhawk1117]

I'm almost positive her label is taking LWYMMD away from airplay so Gorgeous (the vastly superior song) doesn't have to compete with her own song.

[badrobot]

I found radio callout score data. This should make it obvious why LWYMMD is dropping like a rock. Its scores are terrible. It has the highest "negative" score and the lowest "net positive" score by a wide margin. Programmers must have been compensated enormously well to have been giving it so much airplay until now.

www.mmr247.com/mmrweb/call/callout.asp

[Caviar]

Ouch!

[areyoureadytojump]

LWYMMD was an event record, not a hit record.

and...

iTunes: kworb.net/pop/

1 Taylor Swift - Gorgeous
2 Imagine Dragons - Thunder
3 Post Malone - rockstar (feat. 21 Savage)
4 Ed Sheeran - Perfect
5 Camila Cabello - Havana (feat. Young Thug)
6 Portugal. The Man - Feel It Still
7 Liam Payne - Bedroom Floor
8 Halsey - Bad at Love
9 Demi Lovato - Sorry Not Sorry $
10 P!nk - What About Us

[Zach]

Oct 20, 2017 8:51:13 GMT -5 vocech123 said:

Does anyone know if the US Spanish format counts on Hot 100?

I've always heard that it doesn't.

[jarhys]

Somehow LWYMMD managed to get a week at #1 on Pop chart.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^LWYMMD could fall as far down as #18 for next week's Radio Songs chart. Happy to see Sorry Not Sorry in the top 10. I would expect What Lovers Do to be in the top 10 as well in a couple of days and 1-800-273-8255 could be in the top 5.

[badrobot]

For big drops from the airplay top ten, here's what I found.

Kesha's Die Young didn't actually fall that hard on airplay -- in fact I couldn't even tell exactly when it was affected, because it slid 3-5-7-9-10-15 on airplay starting on the 12/22/12 chart week, which isn't exactly a freefall.

Dixie Chicks' Landslide fell much harder, going 9-13-off (or at least out of the top 50) starting the 3/22/03 chart week.

Katy Perry's Chained to the Rhythm tumbled hard without a controversy behind it, falling from its peak on 4/22/17 to off the chart 3 weeks later: 9-10-19-off

Maroon 5's Animals didn't really fall crazy fast: 2-3-4-7-10-12

Lady Gaga's Born This Way fell 1-3-5-7-11-20-27

Can anyone else think of other songs that might have fallen that hard on airplay? Right now the biggest drop I see from the top ten is 9 spots for Katy Perry. And I haven't found a huge drop from within the top 5.

[Gary]

Ten notch drop (or bigger) from the top 10

Starting point January 1992

17 6 8 20 Breakin My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes), Mint Condition   6 Hot 100 Airplay 1992-05-09
21 10 10 20 If You Asked Me To, Celine Dion   3 Hot 100 Airplay 1992-08-29
20 9 6 10 Erotica, Madonna   2 Hot 100 Airplay 1992-11-21
17 7 6 28 Freak Me, Silk   1 Hot 100 Airplay 1993-07-17
26 10 9 21 Looking Through Patient Eyes, P.M. Dawn   4 Hot 100 Airplay 1993-07-31
18 8 8 23 Knockin Da Boots, H-Town   5 Hot 100 Airplay 1993-08-14
20 10 9 32 Whoomp! (There It Is), Tag Team   9 Hot 100 Airplay 1993-08-14
20 10 6 29 Can t Help Falling In Love, UB40   1 Hot 100 Airplay 1993-10-30
19 9 8 26 Can You Feel The Love Tonight, Elton John   2 Hot 100 Airplay 1994-10-15
28 8 4 14 Wild Wild West, Will Smith Featuring Dru Hill   2 Hot 100 Airplay 1999-08-14
17 7 7 28 Thong Song, Sisqo   1 Hot 100 Airplay 2000-07-08
20 10 10 17 All For You, Janet   1 Hot 100 Airplay 2001-07-07
20 10 8 15 Just Like A Pill, Pink   8 Hot 100 Airplay 2002-10-12
17 7 5 17 Milkshake, Kelis   3 Hot 100 Airplay 2004-02-14
21 10 6 17 You Don't Know My Name, Alicia Keys   3 Hot 100 Airplay 2004-03-06
16 5 4 22 Gold Digger, Kanye West Featuring Jamie Foxx   1 Hot 100 Airplay 2005-12-24
16 6 3 21 It's Goin' Down, Yung Joc   1 Hot 100 Airplay 2006-08-26
20 10 8 20 Party Like A Rockstar, Shop Boyz   3 Hot 100 Airplay 2007-08-25
20 9 9 9 Hold It Against Me, Britney Spears 5 Hot 100 Airplay 2011-03-26
20 9 10 25 Hey Baby (Drop It To The Floor), Pitbull Feat. T-Pain 8 Hot 100 Airplay 2011-04-30
20 10 7 14 Cold, Maroon 5 Featuring Future 7 Hot 100 Airplay 2017-06-03

[badrobot]

Thanks Gary!

So it looks like biggest drop from top ten is Wild Wild West falling 8-28 (20 spots) and biggest drop from top 5 is Gold Digger falling 5-16 (11 spots). So LWYMMD won't be worse than WWW but it could match or surpass Gold Digger.

[Juanca]

Oct 20, 2017 12:44:05 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Thanks Gary!

So it looks like biggest drop from top ten is Wild Wild West falling 8-28 (20 spots) and biggest drop from top 5 is Gold Digger falling 5-16 (11 spots). So LWYMMD won't be worse than WWW but it could match or surpass Gold Digger.

Lol at Taylor going for Kanye's record
I guess that's what it's all about!

[deepston]

Oct 20, 2017 13:06:03 GMT -5 Juanca said:

Oct 20, 2017 12:44:05 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Thanks Gary!

So it looks like biggest drop from top ten is Wild Wild West falling 8-28 (20 spots) and biggest drop from top 5 is Gold Digger falling 5-16 (11 spots). So LWYMMD won't be worse than WWW but it could match or surpass Gold Digger.

Lol at Taylor going for Kanye's record
I guess that's what it's all about!

Probably told the radios to stop playing it to go after that record as well! What a queen 

[inverse]

Next update it will only go down to at worst number 16 and it'll probably stay above Thunder unless that song picks up by like +4 or 5

[85la]

Oct 20, 2017 9:43:30 GMT -5 Zach said:

Oct 20, 2017 8:51:13 GMT -5 vocech123 said:

Does anyone know if the US Spanish format counts on Hot 100?

I've always heard that it doesn't.

All radio formats, plus some stations that don't have a particular format, counts for the Hot 100. Or at least that's for the radio formats Billboard publishes. I'm not exactly sure about this "US Spanish" format.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 10/21/2017
1. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (154.878) (+0.722)
2. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (144.757) (-0.747)
3. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (127.564) (-0.985)
4. (=) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (120.402) (-0.240)
5. (=) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (115.466) (-1.486)
6. (+1) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (112.611) (+1.545)
7. (-1) FRENCH MONTANA - Unforgettable f/Swae Lee (111.497) (-0.751)
8. (=) P!NK - What About Us (110.563) (+1.455) ***
9. (=) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (105.938) (+1.837) ***
10. (+1) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (99.981) (-0.722)
11. (+1) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (99.854) (+0.435)
12. (+2) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Believer (95.293) (-0.151)
13. (=) CARDI B - Bodak Yellow (95.176) (-0.652)
14. (-4) TAYLOR SWIFT - Look What You Made Me Do (94.965) (-7.498)
15. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (91.335) (+2.197)
16. (=) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (87.161) (+0.762)
17. (=) THE CHAINSMOKERS & COLDPLAY - Something Just Like This (84.526) (-0.566)
18. (=) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (81.656) (+0.269)
19. (+1) KESHA - Praying (79.279) (+0.648)
20. (-1) CHEAT CODES - No Promises f/Demi Lovato (78.406) (-2.285)

Others:
29. (=) KIP MOORE - More Girls Like You (61.405) (+1.518)
30. (+2) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (60.893) (+2.154)
38. (+2) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (48.771) (+2.925)
41. (+2) LANCO - Greatest Love Story (45.596) (+1.553)
69. (+3) CHRIS YOUNG - Losing Sleep (29.290) (+1.066)

[Deleted]

LWYMMD is out of the top 10 now. Real surprise.

Seriously, what the hell does Big Machine want to do with reputation? Gorgeous isn't an official single, and they're letting the lead single dusted out.

[garrettlen]

Oct 20, 2017 9:49:19 GMT -5 jarhys said:

Somehow LWYMMD managed to get a week at #1 on Pop chart.

Payola.