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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 15:00:50 GMT -5
Change it to anyone else if that's not what you're trying to say
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 10, 2017 15:15:51 GMT -5
Unvote thewebinator
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 15:20:04 GMT -5
Unvote thewebinator Vote: greentoo Alright, well that isnβt it then. Are you trying to get greentoo to look at thewebinators suspicions because you agree with him and think greentoo should explore one of those N3? If yes, change your vote to Zaclord. If not, change to anyone else.
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 10, 2017 15:29:01 GMT -5
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 15:36:10 GMT -5
Alright, I'm stumped then. Someone else try.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 10, 2017 16:16:38 GMT -5
I really donβt know what Sam is trying to say.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 17:14:27 GMT -5
Uh
Well Iβm on my 15 at work so expect nothing from me for the next few hours but surface level observation about the night actions leads me to think roleblocker went town or a scum aligned roleblocker didnβt give a shit who got copped of the proposed choices yesterday, which raises a few questions.
Iβll be on later to actually dig into this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 20:43:09 GMT -5
lol there really should be a no liking posts after you're dead rule. I know it's all but confirmed by Az himself that he investigated gravey, but he shouldn't be allowed to like posts talking about that when he's dead Ok so: Vote: gravey
for now until he comes back with his list of reads/analysis from his slumber, but I'm definitely pulling off him and pursuing other targets if everyone starts to vote for him. I would have voted Sam to start the day, but I don't see a point in that yet since he can't respond. (however I don't think lynching him should be off the table D3 like it was with gravey D2) This immediately jumps out at me. At the time of this post, Cynthia outlines we're operating under the assumption that gravey is a power role (going to comment on this later lol) and also scum because of how N1 played out. This is enough to have you convinced, apparently, but he's also a bad option if everyone votes for what is effectively confirmed maf D3? If this was the train of thought at the time of this post, why would anyone else be on the table? There isn't a hammer policy, so it doesn't matter if every player is voting for himβwe can still discuss other players comfortably for the duration of this day phase. This just feels weird asf. I am thinking of now a Cynthia and thewebinator as scum, and if not them then Kunt as the other choice if roleblock is Mafia. Can you elaborate further? Also, why on earth would I be mafia if the roleblocker was? Please explain this. I will say though, gravey not knowing that there aren't two roleblockers (refer in his analysis to "idk whether or not the maf or town roleblocker blocked him") makes me think we're definitely dealing with a town roleblocker, assuming gravey is scum. At this point scum would probably have a good understanding for how the role works. I was assuming maf blocker earlier since the math was better and it's probably what side I would have chosen if I was blocker, but with both of those blocks and nothing happening to greentoo last night I don't see why a maf blocker wouldn't block a confirmed cop.Want to reiterate what I said above, but scum can do this if the people town was telling greento to investigate weren't mafia in the first place. In this scenario though, Sam is town (along with Leo, who we now know), roleblocker is mafia, but at this point all signs point to town. I'm inclined more in Sam's mafia than gravey's mafia. We knew mylo was Krampus, so, gravey wasn't blocked for being the Krampus, he can still being part of mafia but not Krampus as we thought previously.I'm sure the roleblocker is town and is blocking the people he thought can form and easy lynch wagon. Vote: SamBut when Mylo died, Castle said that Krampus possessed an evil elf. If gravey is one of those evil elves, then he potentially could be Krampus now. Ooh, this just gave me an idea! It may be stupid so feel free to tell me that, but here's just an option: So at this point I'm nearly dead set at gravey being mafia. Also its pretty probable that roleblock sided with town. If gravey is mafia, he has a 50/50 chance of now being Krampus. If roleblock blocking Krampus means that no one gets killed, should we purposely not vote for gravey to lynch today so that the town roleblock can block him for D4 and hope that gravey is Krampus so we block a N3 kill? The biggest issue with this is that we'd have to lynch someone else (I don't think no lynch is the best option) and hope we lynch the other mafia.Which is exactly why we should not do this. Period. That's one gamble on top of another, and although I think a town roleblocker is high probability going into D3 than it was yesterday, I'm still dubious. RE: Sam's voting patterns... well I had a theory but his most recent post regarding web strikes me as odd, unless he's just trying to say who he finds suspicious at this point. -- Basically the theory that I'm operating under goes one of two ways, depending on how the roleblocker flipped (lol). 1: Roleblocker flips town. Scum is Mylo, Gravey, and Sam. Went for an obvious D1 target and had no control over who got copped, leading us into D2. Sam fits with mylo's D1 patterns, and with what we know today I'm thinking this is the most likely scenario. 2: Roleblocker flips scum. Scum is Mylo, Gravey, thewebinator, and [redacted because I think I know who the roleblocker is but if they flipped town there's absolutely no merit in this]. Roleblocker has no reason to cop greentoo because the top suspicions at EOD (Sam and Leo) aren't scum at all. Scum gets to push a narrative where roleblocker is town aligned for security purposes and further implicate Sam into D2. Cynthia seems town to me. I don't think scum would rush into D3 just to blow the lid off of her teammate. vote: gravey
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 10, 2017 21:04:35 GMT -5
Unvote thewebinator
Vote: greentoo
Unvote greentoo
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Post by Web on Dec 10, 2017 21:09:40 GMT -5
Sam, are you asking greentoo to investigate me tonight? Like this post if that's what you mean by the votes.
can offer more thoughts later but to clarify gravey is basically confirmed maf in my mind and I'll vote for him later in the day phase.
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Post by Web on Dec 11, 2017 11:28:38 GMT -5
UnvoteVote: gravey@walker9 can you clarify the apparent contradiction here? In this post you state cynthia as your biggest scum lean and vote her, never moving it through the end of D1. Alright right now I think that Cynthia Rose is the most scum. She giving me backwoodsbarbie vibe as last game. Quiet and making long posts near the end and I know that she may be busy yes but so are most of us, but no excuse for an experienced to not put too many posts in. Since I have to put a vote in - Vote - Cynthia Rose Then here in your leans post you have Leo as your strongest scum lead and have a more reserved opinion on cynthia, still voting her at the end of the post. What changed? Alright I will say that everyone who I thought was scum ended up town and vice versa. My strongest Town lead from the start was on Mylo, he ended up scum. My strongest Scum lead was on Leo, according to green, he ended up town.Also had scum leans on Az, ended up town. Now are we all assuming that the Roleblocker is legit Scum now and not Town? I had scum leans on Sam too but now he is roleblocked so Idk. Basically my scum team IMO was Az, Leo, and Sam, and apparently I got it all wrong, so I have to go and redo everything and every thought since I am all over the place and being wrong on everything SMH. Righting Leos and Greens name off since they are Town so I will focus on the rest of the players. I am thinking of now a Cynthia and thewebinator as scum, and if not them then Kunt as the other choice if roleblock is Mafia. Cynthia Rose - She been coming in and out and flying under the radar with hardly anyone focusing on her. Usually the ones being the leaders and stuff end up scum, again Im going with my gut. Sam - Well, since he is silenced now he is hard to tell if the Maf roleblocker blocked him or the Town roleblocker did. thewebinator - Dunno why but something seems off of him this game. He doesn't seem to be pushing on others too much as he did last game and seems to be more going with the flow. Kunt - Yes he has been giving good advice but I think he made some minor slips a few times, but Idk if that is much of an indicator now if he is scum or not. zaclord - I am still a bit null on him as he is always hard to read. AGAIN, I DONT f**kin KNOW THIS GAME HAS BEEN CONFUSING FOR ME, YALL ARE BETTER OFF ASKING ME QUESTIONS ON STUFF AND ME ANSWERING THEN ME TRYING TO GIVE A RECAP OR WHATEVER. Sorry, just this time I been more confused than usual. Vote - Cynthia RoseWorking on a long post regarding Leo that's almost done, will post it here shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 11:33:06 GMT -5
Because of the way Leo was acting last day that I could not address since I was silenced, but all of you pretty much summed up why you guys thought Leo was scum, I agreed with. Turned out that we were all wrong on that.
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Post by Web on Dec 11, 2017 11:45:08 GMT -5
glad we finally solved the mystery of Sam's votes, idk if we're ready to discuss potential greentoo investigative targets for N3 but I don't mind throwing my name in the mix. sorry for being largely absent yesterday, was caught up with irl stuff and then distracted by rankdowns and the PMAs. I'm going to look back at Leo today, first a post looking at leans on him from other players and (probably later tonight) then a post looking at Leo game so far. D1: thewebinator and Kunt jump on the "Leo is afraid of editing his posts" scum train, Kunt with a vote and thewebinator making a potential scum link between greentoo and Leo based on their posts voting gravey within five minutes of each other. (#85) zaclord is unconvinced and Kunt pushes back on my tenuous scum link. Later in the day, these thoughts have largely dissolved and as Leo contributed more both Kunt and thewebinator's suspicions reduced. Kunt in #142 and thewebinator in #159. Also Az throws a slight scum lean on Leo at this time, largely because of the post-editing comment and how early he started a wagon on gravey. (#160) greentoo also gives Leo a neutral lean without stating reasoning. Sam gives his first long post in #175, where he brings up Leo twice. Both times he has questions about Leo's posts (one about the afraid of editomg and another about Leo's willapted post where he also gives a Sam scum lean), but ultimately decides that neither are suspicious. Sidenote looking back at this post I was initially happy Sam brought a bunch of information but re-reading it he has a lot of those "outs" that let him backtrack on his logic. Notably he does give mylo a town lean in this post without an "out". D2: cynthia hops onto Kunt's earlier logic about Leo's posts appearing above his skill level in #241. Proposes the web-Leo-greentoo maf team and votes Leo as well as asking all 3 players to clarify their thoughts on each other. greentoo: Web town, Leo scum thewebinator: greentoo town(due to figuring out power role), Leo townSam echoes the web-Leo-greentoo maf team without adding anything else, this was the first post that gave me a huge scum lean on Sam. cynthia calls Leo "almost definitely scum" in #325, stating mylo's defense of Leo while criticizing greentoo for the same style of play. Sam calls Leo his "biggest suspicion" in #331, and also apparently forgets mylo played at all in D1 which is odd. He again gives an "out" at the end of the post and doesn't elaborate more on why he finds Leo suspcious. (obviously not voting Leo due to the report on mylo) thewebinator in #332 points out the weird back-and-forth between Sam and Leo that seems somewhat manufactured. Also finds a Leo post really weird in #336 and proposes a potential Leo/Sam/Mylo scum team. zaclord has a slight town lean on Leo in #335, but also thinks the banter is weird and has Leo as his top investigative target. Leo is proposed as one of the major targets for greentoo to investigate (along with Sam, and more weakly Kunt, myself or cynthia) and flips town at the start of D3. Hopefully this summarizes things a bit. As for our current suspects, I mentioned Sam several times above and gravey mentions Leo once on D1 (slight scum read for that "afraid of editing" thing again lol) but doesn't mention him again until the beginning of D3, where he says Leo was one of his biggest scum leans but greentoo's report invalidates it. He clarified in the post above that he had suspicion on Leo D2 but couldn't voice it (though I am curious why he didn't vote for anyone until mylo was revealed).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 11:52:46 GMT -5
No one asked me anything to vote or unvote players like how they did to Sam. So I could not do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 17:57:19 GMT -5
^Who says you had to wait on anyone to give you a signal? The only reason players are even doing this with Sam now is because Sam himself came in and started moving his vote; thus, we have picked up on him using his liking of posts and vote moving as an attempt to communicate. If you had taken the same initiative, players would have likewise done the same with you. But instead you didn't bother showing up at all.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 11, 2017 18:40:20 GMT -5
DAY THREE All Aboard the Polar Express!
lol there really should be a no liking posts after you're dead rule. I know it's all but confirmed by Az himself that he investigated gravey, but he shouldn't be allowed to like posts talking about that when he's dead
I absolutely agree with this. No posting or liking after you are eliminated from the game please.
DEADLINE: Tuesday, December 12th at 11pm EST
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 11, 2017 21:11:36 GMT -5
Vote: Gravey
Like I said earlier, pretty convinced gravey is mafia. Nothing he or anyone else has said has convinced me otherwise, so I'm placing my vote on him now.
Other thoughts: I'm fine with an investigation of thewebinator for the night phase. He's one that I would like to find out if we can trust or not since he is such a good player. However, assuming Santa saved greentoo last night, we probably aren't gonna get that information anyway. Sam would still be my top pick for an investigation though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 21:13:51 GMT -5
Looks like Town is gonna lose this one. :(
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Post by Web on Dec 11, 2017 21:21:34 GMT -5
Looks like Town is gonna lose this one. I see no reason to doubt Az's scan on N1, so if his report found you suspicious it means you're mafia, Santa or a blocker who blocked himself N1. Since you denied being mafia or Santa in a response to zaclord earlier and there's like a 0% chance you blocked yourself N1 then I can only see a scenario where you're a mafia lying about his affiliation. Can you elaborate in any way to help clear up anywhere where I'm wrong in the above sentence?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 21:27:04 GMT -5
I am a townie with no role just like last game. That is what I am.
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Post by Leo β on Dec 11, 2017 22:12:30 GMT -5
^ that post was so sad to read :(
My scum posibilities are between Sam or Cynthia. This day was so rip btw.
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Post by Web on Dec 12, 2017 10:44:11 GMT -5
Man this day died out. Guess I'll try to look at one of the really active/top players like Kunt or cynthia sometime today.
I think the greentoo investigative target should be Sam, cynthia, or me (ranked in order of preference but biased since I know my affiliation lol).
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Post by Leo β on Dec 12, 2017 10:53:54 GMT -5
We shouldn't lynch gravey tbh
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Post by Web on Dec 12, 2017 10:57:58 GMT -5
why not? He just admitted to being mafia like three posts up. I agree with you that Sam looks pretty bad but there's still more uncertainty there so it's definitely not worth it, plus we can get the chance to actually ask him questions and clarify things tomorrow.
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Post by Leo β on Dec 12, 2017 11:02:15 GMT -5
well let's finish the wagon
Vote: gravey
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 11:07:16 GMT -5
why not? He just admitted to being mafia like three posts up. I did not say that. But whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 12:43:34 GMT -5
Crazy night last night but Iβll be on later to contribute. Sorry, Iβve been kind of tuned out D3; working a double through a hangover currently so itβs all uphill starting tomorrow at least lmao
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Post by greentoo on Dec 12, 2017 12:55:23 GMT -5
Crazy night last night but Iβll be on later to contribute. Sorry, Iβve been kind of tuned out D3; working a double through a hangover currently so itβs all uphill starting tomorrow at least lmao What was your old user name?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 13:01:31 GMT -5
Crazy night last night but Iβll be on later to contribute. Sorry, Iβve been kind of tuned out D3; working a double through a hangover currently so itβs all uphill starting tomorrow at least lmao What was your old user name? The old Kunt canβt come to the phone right now why? Oh! Cause sheβs dead! ππ«πππ»
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Post by greentoo on Dec 12, 2017 14:25:11 GMT -5
What was your old user name? The old Kunt canβt come to the phone right now why? Oh! Cause sheβs dead! ππ«πππ» Ok Lol! At least this ones a bit more appropritate. π
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