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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 12:19:48 GMT -5
AGAIN, I DONT f**kin KNOW THIS GAME HAS BEEN CONFUSING FOR ME, YALL ARE BETTER OFF ASKING ME QUESTIONS ON STUFF AND ME ANSWERING THEN ME TRYING TO GIVE A RECAP OR WHATEVER. Okay here's a question for you: are you Santa or mafia because you're obviously one of the two. None.
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Post by Web on Dec 10, 2017 12:21:53 GMT -5
ROLES: The Conductor: Every night the Conductor will be able to see if someone is suspicious or not. Santa Claus, The Good Elf, Krampus, and the 2 evil Elves will all come up as suspicious.
ACTUALLY: 1 Townsperson will have a hidden role that cannot be revealed to the Conductor or the Good Elf until they decide which side they will be aligned with. The ability this Townsperson will have is the ability to block one person from doing anything (doing Night abilities and talking during the day). They must choose a side during Day 2. They will know their allies once they make their choice. Cannot block the same person in back-to-back nights.
Also not sure if we clarified if the roleblocker can be revealed as suspicious to the Conductor. These two statements seem to contradict each other in that respect, could you clarify castleoblivion26?
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Post by Web on Dec 10, 2017 12:22:22 GMT -5
of course in that case gravey would have blocked himself N1 so that's super unlikely lol but I'm just trying to understand the setup
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 12:29:42 GMT -5
ROLES: The Conductor: Every night the Conductor will be able to see if someone is suspicious or not. Santa Claus, The Good Elf, Krampus, and the 2 evil Elves will all come up as suspicious.
ACTUALLY: 1 Townsperson will have a hidden role that cannot be revealed to the Conductor or the Good Elf until they decide which side they will be aligned with. The ability this Townsperson will have is the ability to block one person from doing anything (doing Night abilities and talking during the day). They must choose a side during Day 2. They will know their allies once they make their choice. Cannot block the same person in back-to-back nights.
Also not sure if we clarified if the roleblocker can be revealed as suspicious to the Conductor. These two statements seem to contradict each other in that respect, could you clarify castleoblivion26? I'm missing where the contradiction is in the bolded parts there... Pretty sure both say conductor doesn't get a read on the town roleblocker since the first post says that conductor only gets the read on Santa, Good Elf, Krampus, evil elves (no roleblock read mentioned) and then the second post clearly states that conductor gets a null read on a roleblock UNLESS the key here in that phrase is "1 Townsperson will have a hidden role that cannot be revealed to the Conductor or the Good Elf until they decide which side they will be aligned with" In that case, if conductor could sniff out roleblocker and get a suspicious read, then gravey could be the roleblock and he had already chosen a side during D1 and blocked himself N1 for some reason... castleoblivion26 desperately need clarification here
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Post by Web on Dec 10, 2017 12:36:53 GMT -5
yeah sorry meant to bold that part too.
We're talking a very unlikely scenario here and I think it's more than likely that we have a town blocker and gravey is maf (especially with that undecided leans post that was the complete opposite of his certainty on leans from last game), but I was just trying to cover all bases.
I was assuming maf blocker earlier since the math was better and it's probably what side I would have chosen if I was blocker, but with both of those blocks and nothing happening to greentoo last night I don't see why a maf blocker wouldn't block a confirmed cop.
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Post by Leo β on Dec 10, 2017 12:43:41 GMT -5
Now that I'm clearly town (I told y'all) I still thinking Sam is mafia, and if the roleblocker is town, probably picked Sam to block to see if he is mafia and get lynched. Getting an easy lynch (same scenario as gravey last day) but gravey wasn't lynched because Mylo resulted to be mafia.
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 10, 2017 13:00:11 GMT -5
Vote: Sam
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 10, 2017 13:00:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:07:39 GMT -5
Won't be on for like next 6 hours or more so anything else you wanna ask me or leave a comment on, will answer later.
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Post by Web on Dec 10, 2017 13:09:16 GMT -5
Unvote
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As promised, we're not all stacking up on gravey and then waiting out EoD. Heading out soon, can post more tonight.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 10, 2017 13:48:42 GMT -5
Why would Sam vote himself and then uvote himself and vote gravey?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 13:49:03 GMT -5
Scenario 1:
Az checks gravey, who is an evil elf Greentoo checks mylo, who was Krampus Roleblocker targets gravey Santa protects whoever mylo tried to eat
Scenario 2: Az checks gravey, who may or may not be town Greentoo checks mylo, who was Krampus Mafia mindfucks us and decides not to kill anyone; Santa protection rendered irrelevant Roleblocker targets gravey
Scenario 3: Az checks gravey Greentoo checks mylo, who was Krampus Gravey, the roleblocker, self-targets (can a roleblocker even do that?) Mafia mindfucks us and decides not to kill anyone; Santa protection rendered irrelevant
Scenarios that don't work:
- gravey only being a townsperson (I'd like to think Az wouldn't have breadcrumbed the way he did otherwise; he knows how to play with a power role) - the roleblock preventing Gravey's attempted kill (Castle said that Krampus is the one who carries out the kill action so I removed the scenario that had gravey being an evil elf who tried to carry it out)
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It is worth noting that Krampus/elves not going for greentoo strongly suggests that scenario 1 is the answer. Why else would you not go for a claimed cop/good elf? It could come down to mafia simply making an educated guess as to who Santa is/who he targeted on N1, but I'm more inclined to think it's that their attempted N1 kill wasn't greentoo, and since it failed they know that Santa was free to protect greentoo on N2. Aiming for Az was the next best thing, although even that might have been a lucky shot.
I say that to say, whoever Santa is should probably consider his N1 target a confirmed townsperson.
Scenarios 2 and 3 give Gravey a town-power out, but with Gravey trying unconvincingly to claim he's not anything at all, these are pretty much eliminated to me. Zac trying to bail gravey out of a lynch right away (and also this being the second day in a row where he conveniently claims to have spotted town power tells and was just hoping mafia wouldn't see it as well after the fact) feels hella sus as well, but I'm going to let that sit for the moment because web is doing it too and I don't really get why.
But just so we're clear on this I am ALWAYS bad on cold-reading people in mafia lmao. I've shuffled through 3 (4?) different mafia team combos already and all of them have busted; this is standard protocol. I do better when I have info (investigative results and breadcrumbs) to work with, although even that relies on me closely reading and re-reading everything. Like how I completely missed that Az post until the day after.
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 13:49:03 GMT -5
@touch greentoo get in here and share your opinion at your earliest convenience please :)
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Post by Web on Dec 10, 2017 13:56:33 GMT -5
to be clear, my vote today is on gravey as I'm pretty convinced he's maf at this point, I just want to pursue other routes and pressure other players to help draw connections that can help us in future days. I don't want a 7-person gravey wagon and then a silent town for two days.
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 14:02:53 GMT -5
to be clear, my vote today is on gravey as I'm pretty convinced he's maf at this point, I just want to pursue other routes and pressure other players to help draw connections that can help us in future days. I don't want a 7-person gravey wagon and then a silent town for two days. ^This. We need to also focus on the Leo/Sam connections and talk about where the next suspicions are since its pretty clear that gravey is mafia so that we aren't wasting several days just waiting on gravey to get lynched.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 10, 2017 14:04:47 GMT -5
Question to castleoblivion26 , is Krampus the one that carries out the kill? aka If Krampus is blocked will the night kill fail to go through? I forget if we confirmed this yesterday or not. Krampus is the one that carries out the kill so the only way the killers can be blocked is through the roleblocker blocking Krampus or the nurse protecting the person they target. ROLES: The Conductor: Every night the Conductor will be able to see if someone is suspicious or not. Santa Claus, The Good Elf, Krampus, and the 2 evil Elves will all come up as suspicious.
ACTUALLY: 1 Townsperson will have a hidden role that cannot be revealed to the Conductor or the Good Elf until they decide which side they will be aligned with. The ability this Townsperson will have is the ability to block one person from doing anything (doing Night abilities and talking during the day). They must choose a side during Day 2. They will know their allies once they make their choice. Cannot block the same person in back-to-back nights.
Also not sure if we clarified if the roleblocker can be revealed as suspicious to the Conductor. These two statements seem to contradict each other in that respect, could you clarify castleoblivion26 ? The Roleblocker, if investigated before choosing their side would be revealed as not suspicious to the Conductor. After they chose their alignment then the Conductor would get a suspicious read on them.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 10, 2017 14:08:09 GMT -5
DAY THREE All Aboard the Polar Express!
DEADLINE: Tuesday, December 12th at 11pm EST
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know):gravey [3] ~ @antigonerising greentoo Sambalada cynthia rose [1] ~ @walker9 Sambalada [1] ~ Web NO VOTE: @touch zaclord π Leo β INACTIVE STRIKES: @antigonerising : 1 ROLES:Santa ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves4x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Chad Watson Chester Garner Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Ruben KleinFINAL ROLES: 9: Az Paynter : Pete Brown ~ The Conductor 10: Mylo13 π : Bonnie Walsh ~ Krampus 11: willapted33 : Della Perez ~ Townsperson
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Post by Leo β on Dec 10, 2017 14:11:31 GMT -5
I'm inclined more in Sam's mafia than gravey's mafia.
We knew mylo was Krampus, so, gravey wasn't blocked for being the Krampus, he can still being part of mafia but not Krampus as we thought previously. I'm sure the roleblocker is town and is blocking the people he thought can form and easy lynch wagon.
Vote: Sam
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 10, 2017 14:14:16 GMT -5
DAY THREE All Aboard the Polar Express!
DEADLINE: Tuesday, December 12th at 11pm EST
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know):gravey [3] ~ @antigonerising greentoo Sambalada cynthia rose [1] ~ @walker9 Sambalada [2] ~ Web Leo β NO VOTE: @touch zaclord π INACTIVE STRIKES: @antigonerising : 1 ROLES:Santa ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves4x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Chad Watson Chester Garner Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Ruben KleinFINAL ROLES: 9: Az Paynter : Pete Brown ~ The Conductor 10: Mylo13 π : Bonnie Walsh ~ Krampus 11: willapted33 : Della Perez ~ Townsperson
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 14:28:30 GMT -5
I'm inclined more in Sam's mafia than gravey's mafia. We knew mylo was Krampus, so, gravey wasn't blocked for being the Krampus, he can still being part of mafia but not Krampus as we thought previously.I'm sure the roleblocker is town and is blocking the people he thought can form and easy lynch wagon. Vote: SamBut when Mylo died, Castle said that Krampus possessed an evil elf. If gravey is one of those evil elves, then he potentially could be Krampus now. Ooh, this just gave me an idea! It may be stupid so feel free to tell me that, but here's just an option: So at this point I'm nearly dead set at gravey being mafia. Also its pretty probable that roleblock sided with town. If gravey is mafia, he has a 50/50 chance of now being Krampus. If roleblock blocking Krampus means that no one gets killed, should we purposely not vote for gravey to lynch today so that the town roleblock can block him for D4 and hope that gravey is Krampus so we block a N3 kill? The biggest issue with this is that we'd have to lynch someone else (I don't think no lynch is the best option) and hope we lynch the other mafia. Unlikely scenario that's based on a LOT of "ifs" and I honestly don't even think I'd want to take that big of a risk (because if gravey isn't Krampus now then we're screwed), but I thought it would be worth throwing out there. Blocking a night kill would be really nice but then we'd honestly just be right back where we are right now so honestly nvm this plan sucks, right lol? I'll keep it in case someone can find any part of this thought process useful in anyway and maybe someone can turn this into a good idea somehow
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Post by Leo β on Dec 10, 2017 14:39:00 GMT -5
I'm inclined more in Sam's mafia than gravey's mafia. We knew mylo was Krampus, so, gravey wasn't blocked for being the Krampus, he can still being part of mafia but not Krampus as we thought previously.I'm sure the roleblocker is town and is blocking the people he thought can form and easy lynch wagon. Vote: SamBut when Mylo died, Castle said that Krampus possessed an evil elf. If gravey is one of those evil elves, then he potentially could be Krampus now. Ooh, this just gave me an idea! It may be stupid so feel free to tell me that, but here's just an option: So at this point I'm nearly dead set at gravey being mafia. Also its pretty probable that roleblock sided with town. If gravey is mafia, he has a 50/50 chance of now being Krampus. If roleblock blocking Krampus means that no one gets killed, should we purposely not vote for gravey to lynch today so that the town roleblock can block him for D4 and hope that gravey is Krampus so we block a N3 kill? The biggest issue with this is that we'd have to lynch someone else (I don't think no lynch is the best option) and hope we lynch the other mafia. Unlikely scenario that's based on a LOT of "ifs" and I honestly don't even think I'd want to take that big of a risk (because if gravey isn't Krampus now then we're screwed), but I thought it would be worth throwing out there. Blocking a night kill would be really nice but then we'd honestly just be right back where we are right now so honestly nvm this plan sucks, right lol? I'll keep it in case someone can find any part of this thought process useful in anyway and maybe someone can turn this into a good idea somehow Yeah, but remember that gravey was blocked for day two and we know mylo was Krampus until EoD 2, I agree, gravey can be an evil elf but i'm not sure about that. Whoever mafia decided to eat, Santa protected him on N1. Also, I agree with you that roleblocker is town.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 10, 2017 14:39:01 GMT -5
Something tells me Sam was trying to tell us something by voting for himself and then changing it to gravey. It canβt really be accidental. If you are trying to tell us something, Sam, please like this post.
I donβt have that many thoughts. At the moment, my mafia team in my head is gravey as Krampus and either Sam or Cynthia as the evil elf.
On the first night I think Az investigated gravey and found him suspicious but played it much safer than I did therefore nobody picked up on it other than gravey, his target. So when Mylo was killed off, gravey took over as Krampus and killed Az hoping people wouldnβt be suspicious. I also think on N1 that Santa and Krampus both picked up on me being a town-power role and so Santa blocked Mylo from killing me which was why there was no kill.
I know this has all been said before and Iβm not really adding anything new but I canβt think of much else to say.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 10, 2017 14:45:45 GMT -5
So Sam just liked my post which means he must be telling us something. If people ask questions and Sam responds with a like then we might be able to understand what heβs trying to say,
Do you know who is in the mafia? Like for yes,
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Post by greentoo on Dec 10, 2017 14:48:07 GMT -5
Iβm so confused right now. Why did zaclord like my post?
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 10, 2017 14:50:06 GMT -5
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 10, 2017 14:50:25 GMT -5
Unvote greentoo
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 14:51:25 GMT -5
Iβm so confused right now. Why did zaclord like my post? Are we not allowed to like posts? lol. I thought getting Sam to communicate via likes is a good plan since that's all he can really do other than saying "If you agree with this, vote for thewebinator". I don't know why Sam would know who the mafia is unless he's part of that group, but getting Sam to communicate to us to voice his opinions isn't a bad idea, which is why I liked your post
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Post by greentoo on Dec 10, 2017 14:52:25 GMT -5
So itβs thewebinator and gravey in the mafia?
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Post by greentoo on Dec 10, 2017 14:53:29 GMT -5
Iβm so confused right now. Why did zaclord like my post? Are we not allowed to like posts? lol. I thought getting Sam to communicate via likes is a good plan since that's all he can really do other than saying "If you agree with this, vote for thewebinator". I don't know why Sam would know who the mafia is unless he's part of that group, but getting Sam to communicate to us to voice his opinions isn't a bad idea, which is why I liked your post I thought that was why, I just read into it too much when you liked my post. :)
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Post by zaclord π on Dec 10, 2017 15:00:36 GMT -5
Unvote greentoo Vote: thewebinator If Sam is trying to tell us something, then I'm very confused as to what that may be. He can have his suspicions about people, but there's no way he knows who is in the mafia with conductor dead and greentoo as good elf unless he's mafia himself and trying to draw attention to someone else. Anyone have an idea what he's trying to say? Sam, change your vote to zaclord if you're trying to say that you think thewebinator is the mafia.
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