Billboard Hot 100: 12/23/2017

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 8, 2017 13:03:26 GMT -5 MilesW1998 said:

Dec 8, 2017 0:08:17 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Gummo is one of my least favorite rap songs this year, but looking at you guys's reactions to it makes me want it to go Top 10.

Just so you suburban-Pop fans will have something else to focus your hate on other than good music like Gucci Gang.

Seriously, what kind of troll are you? 

IDK. Is it not normal to be kind of amused by people's crazy overreactions? People talking about how an artist makes them "lose brain cells" kind of just makes me want to see that artist succeed more. Is that not a normal reaction? IDK. Maybe I'm too much of a contrarian. 

Maybe I'm bias, but it seems like every time a new urban artist gets a come up, they get bashed on here. I mean, this is not really an urban space, so it's fine. And it's not usually hate spilled at the whole genre, like some places, which I'm appreciative of. Obviously we got a lot of people here who love it as well. 

On that thread in the YOP section about what music you don't want to hear in 2018, it just seemed like a huge slew of nothing but Hip-Hop artists. And I don't have any hate for the type of music that is stanned here. I really can't complain about many artists at all. Not even Sam Smith anymore. He dropped new stuff, and I don't really love it, but I listen to it and I don't feel a spark of hate for it. 

So I don't really hate any artists at this moment. Maybe I would if I felt like things on the charts were going poorly. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 8, 2017 13:18:14 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Dec 8, 2017 0:08:17 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Gummo is one of my least favorite rap songs this year, but looking at you guys's reactions to it makes me want it to go Top 10.

Just so you suburban-Pop fans will have something else to focus your hate on other than good music like Gucci Gang.

If you want a certain rap song to be popular just to spite some people here, can it at least not be a song by a pedophile? We already have Kodak Black, XXXTentacion and Tay-K on the charts. We don't need any more terrible people getting popular.

EDIT: Removed Yo Gotti from this post because I'm not sure the terrible thing I thought Yo Gotti did was actually a thing he did.

Do you actually know the story behind 6ix9ine's arrest/charges, and the reason why Trippie Redd called him a pedophile? It's because about 2 years ago or so, he was charged with something along the lines of "being in a sexual video with a child". But that's official police talk, and they tend to have a weird definition of words. By "child" they could have meant somebody who was 17. They could have meant somebody who was older than 6ix9ine himself (who was 17 in the video). But they probably just meant another teenager. 

You seriously believe that police had a video of him having sex with a little kid that he would get a slap on the wrist and be walking the streets right now?

I don't know how the law works in every city in America, but I get the impression that if there was a video out of you having sex with an actual kid that you would be locked up for a long time. Despite whether you were 17 when you were doing it. 

[fhas]

Dec 8, 2017 17:44:29 GMT -5 djkhaled said:

Dec 6, 2017 17:46:35 GMT -5 inverse said:

ugh all chart achievements aside At This Moment is just a completely unlistenable song, all of the worst parts about the late 1980's summed up into one pointless dirge that is one of the worst ever songs to hit number one. Literally makes Chicago and Peter Cetera and even Michael Bolton seem like the best people ever.

As for the top 10 next week does it look like Perfect is going to #1? I really hope so, Ed Sheeran has done a ton of romantic ballads in the same vein and Perfect is by far the best and should be bigger than Thinking Out Loud

Even if (when) it goes number one it won’t be bigger than TOL for more than a week. TOL got cockblocked harder than any other song this decade IIRC (maybe anaconda more for a single week), peaking at 64k pts and holding around there for a while

TOL is basically TWIL with a Grammy performance during its peak.

TOL's 8 weeks at #2. #ThankYouUF

January 31st, 2015: 47,070 points (vs. Uptown Funk's 72,900 - 1.548:1 lead)
February 7th, 2015: 47,980 points (vs. UF's 69,080 - 1.439:1 lead)
February 14th, 2015: 49,710 points (vs. UF's 85,330 - 1.716 lead)
February 21st, 2015: 56,260 points (vs. UF's 72,820 - 1.294 lead)
February 28th, 2015: 64,510 points (vs. UF's 71,910 - 1.114 lead) ***Grammy boost
March 7th, 2015: 52,080 points (vs. UF's 70,630 - 1.356 lead)
March 14th, 2015: 50,860 points (vs. UF's 67,930 - 1.335 lead)
March 21st, 2015: 46,730 points (vs. UF's 62,310 - 1.333 lead)



Source: Daniel Collins (Hot 100 Year-End Predictions Thread - Pages 18-21)

[djkhaled]

Dec 8, 2017 19:26:12 GMT -5 fhas said:

Dec 8, 2017 17:44:29 GMT -5 djkhaled said:

Even if (when) it goes number one it won’t be bigger than TOL for more than a week. TOL got cockblocked harder than any other song this decade IIRC (maybe anaconda more for a single week), peaking at 64k pts and holding around there for a while

TOL is basically TWIL with a Grammy performance during its peak.

TOL's 8 weeks at #2. #ThankYouUF

January 31st, 2015: 47,070 points (vs. Uptown Funk's 72,900 - 1.548:1 lead)
February 7th, 2015: 47,980 points (vs. UF's 69,080 - 1.439:1 lead)
February 14th, 2015: 49,710 points (vs. UF's 85,330 - 1.716 lead)
February 21st, 2015: 56,260 points (vs. UF's 72,820 - 1.294 lead)
February 28th, 2015: 64,510 points (vs. UF's 71,910 - 1.114 lead) ***Grammy boost
March 7th, 2015: 52,080 points (vs. UF's 70,630 - 1.356 lead)
March 14th, 2015: 50,860 points (vs. UF's 67,930 - 1.335 lead)
March 21st, 2015: 46,730 points (vs. UF's 62,310 - 1.333 lead)



Source: Daniel Collins (Hot 100 Year-End Predictions Thread - Pages 18-21)

UF hit 85k? That’s absurd.

[fhas]

Dec 8, 2017 19:27:53 GMT -5 djkhaled said:

Dec 8, 2017 19:26:12 GMT -5 fhas said:

TOL is basically TWIL with a Grammy performance during its peak.

TOL's 8 weeks at #2. #ThankYouUF

January 31st, 2015: 47,070 points (vs. Uptown Funk's 72,900 - 1.548:1 lead)
February 7th, 2015: 47,980 points (vs. UF's 69,080 - 1.439:1 lead)
February 14th, 2015: 49,710 points (vs. UF's 85,330 - 1.716 lead)
February 21st, 2015: 56,260 points (vs. UF's 72,820 - 1.294 lead)
February 28th, 2015: 64,510 points (vs. UF's 71,910 - 1.114 lead) ***Grammy boost
March 7th, 2015: 52,080 points (vs. UF's 70,630 - 1.356 lead)
March 14th, 2015: 50,860 points (vs. UF's 67,930 - 1.335 lead)
March 21st, 2015: 46,730 points (vs. UF's 62,310 - 1.333 lead)



Source: Daniel Collins (Hot 100 Year-End Predictions Thread - Pages 18-21)

UF hit 85k? That’s absurd.

""Funk!," released on RCA Records, spends a sixth week atop Digital Songs with 365,000 downloads sold (up 7 percent) in the week ending Feb. 1, according to Nielsen Music. With its continued reign, Mars rewrites his longest stay atop the chart (among his seven No. 1s); it passes "Grenade," which spent five weeks atop Digital Songs in 2011.



"Funk" leads Streaming Songs (up a monstrous 63 percent to 24.5 million U.S. streams) and the subscription-services-based On-Demand Songs (5.7 million, up 4 percent) for a third week each. Fueling the advances: a full week of viral activity after Texas-based Maceo Smith New Tech High School teacher Scot Pankey led students from six classes to perform a full dance to the song, filmed all over the school in a single shot. (The clip was posted on YouTube on Jan. 24.)"

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6458469/mark-ronson-bruno-mars-hot-100-rihanna-kanye-west-paul-mccartney

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 8, 2017 14:48:12 GMT -5 rainie said:

Dec 8, 2017 11:29:56 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Well nobody's stopping him. 

Besides an entire internet-full of SJWs. Trust me, people like Iggy Azelea, Macklemore, and even Post Malone at first got backlash because they were white people rapping -- if 6ix9ine was white he would not be able to get away with saying the n-word.

Yes, I remember that it kinda felt like Iggy got snuffed out after we realized what kind of a person she is. I remember T.I. cut all ties with her after her reputation went into the gutter. I feel like Post Malone could end up getting the same fate eventually. 

What I meant by "nobody's stopping him", is that he's achieving significant success despite it. Same thing with Cardi B, French Montana, and others.

6ix9ine looks pretty white to me. I guess he's Hispanic though. 

With artists like XXXTENTACION, Lil Pump, and 6ix9ine, who succeed without backing from the powers-that-be of the music industry, it feels like it's only a matter of time before a white artist comes out saying the n-word. 

[House Lannister]

Dec 8, 2017 1:10:50 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Is there a chance Mariah Carey's Christmas song will hit billboards top ten this year?

It's pretty good, pretty good.

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Dec 8, 2017 9:32:11 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Dec 8, 2017 1:14:03 GMT -5 @statemusix said:

Enormous.

So I'm assuming giving the changes next year to billboard in terms of streams allowing songs to chart highly, this will be the songs final chance to hit billboards top ten?

Well, for sure it'll be generally weakened, but that's assuming it doesn't surge in paid streams

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

I'm not sure if anybody noticed but kworb has upped their iTunes digital sales estimate for Perfect's two versions from 177k(?) to a revised 205k. This number would be four times greater than the #2 selling song for the tracking week.

[forg]

Happy for Perfect! I feel like a romantic ballad is... err perfect to be #1 during the holiday season.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

^^ Well, I think that number is expected, because there are 3 versions in the top 100 (#1 #2 #100).

Speaking of Sheeran, SoY is unstoppable...Top 20 on US iTunes, top 15 on WW spotify, top 5 on Youtube, top 10 on WW iTunes chart. This is unreal.

[jenglisbe]

Dec 8, 2017 22:19:25 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

^^ Well, I think that number is expected, because there are 3 versions in the top 100 (#1 #2 #100).

Speaking of Sheeran, SoY is unstoppable...Top 20 on US iTunes, top 15 on WW spotify, top 5 on Youtube, top 10 on WW iTunes chart. This is unreal.

What caused the returns of SOY? Ridiculous.

[Bwol]

^ Discount on iTunes

[Mr. Thonk Eyes]

Dec 8, 2017 22:35:24 GMT -5 Bwol said:

^ Discount on iTunes

Yes but what caused it to be top 20? It was in the 30's before with a discount so there has to be SOMETHING ELSE that made it top 20.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Dec 8, 2017 22:42:45 GMT -5 Mr. Thonk Eyes said:

Dec 8, 2017 22:35:24 GMT -5 Bwol said:

^ Discount on iTunes

Yes but what caused it to be top 20? It was in the 30's before with a discount so there has to be SOMETHING ELSE that made it top 20.

Maybe it's because of that YouTube Rewind video "The Shape Of 2017". That's the only logic explanation.

[85la]

Dec 8, 2017 10:08:53 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Dec 8, 2017 0:08:41 GMT -5 85la said:

The trend of adding featured artists to original versions of songs to get higher positions in nothing new. Way back with Teenage Dream, Katy Perry added rappers to none but 3 of her singles which were originally solo versions by her (Kanye to E.T., Missy Elliott to Last Friday Night, and B.o.B. to The One that Got Away), the first two of course went no. 1, while the third missed it but went as high as no. 3. Also around that time, Rihanna added Britney to S&M to help it go #1, while Britney herself did a remix of TTWE with Kesha and Nicki Minaj, which went to #3. I agree though that there does seem to be a new wave of it happening again more often now.

LOL at referring to Teenage Dream as "way back."

The real originator of this trend is Mariah Carey, who brought in Ol' Dirty Bastard for a remix of Fantasy over 20 years ago. I'm sure other artists before then had done lower-profile examples but she certainly took it to the forefront (even recorded an alternate take on the music video for it).

And the artist that pushed it over the edge was Jennifer Lopez, who brought in Ja Rule for "remixes" of I'm Real and Ain't it Funny that were actually different songs entirely -- which prompted a Billboard chart rule change that no longer allowed combining points from "remixes" that substantially changed the melody/lyrics of a song.

Not exactly sure why you had to throw shade at me there with the Teenage Dream comment. To me actually, Teenage Dream does not seem that long ago at all, it's just that many posters here were born as late as the late-90s or even early 2000s, so to them it might seem like a while ago, and the 2010s seems to be the main decade focused on in these threads when discussing chart stats, so I tried to stay along those lines. I also didn't imply that Katy Perry was the first to add featured artists to remixes, of course there were many before her.

Furthermore, I was referring specifically to singles where featured acts are added later after the songs were already charting, with the specific intention of gaining a higher chart position, and where higher positions were in fact achieved (with the exception of E.T. I guess, which I believe was only released as a single and charted after the Kanye remix). I'll admit I also don't know if Fantasy and the J. Lo songs added the features before or after they reached their peaks (Fantasy probably not, since it debuted at no. 1), but the remixes might not have been intended exactly to achieve a higher chart position or lead to more commercial success.

[felipe]

This might be kind of a silly question, but how does Billboard estimate how many people are listening to songs previously purchased on iTunes?
Every time I listen to a song on Spotify it counts as a stream, right? Now let's say I bought All I Want for Christmas last year. Now it's the Christmas season again and I'm going to be playing that song many times, but I won't be purchasing it again since I already have. How do they account for that?

[rimetm]

They don't: your purchase of the song gave it a significant amount of points the week you bought it, that's the tradeoff.

[Deleted]

Sorry for the dumb question, but what was the reason behind Gummo dropping from 29 all the way til' 54?

[jenglisbe]

Dec 8, 2017 22:53:47 GMT -5 85la said:

Dec 8, 2017 10:08:53 GMT -5 badrobot said:

LOL at referring to Teenage Dream as "way back."

The real originator of this trend is Mariah Carey, who brought in Ol' Dirty Bastard for a remix of Fantasy over 20 years ago. I'm sure other artists before then had done lower-profile examples but she certainly took it to the forefront (even recorded an alternate take on the music video for it).

And the artist that pushed it over the edge was Jennifer Lopez, who brought in Ja Rule for "remixes" of I'm Real and Ain't it Funny that were actually different songs entirely -- which prompted a Billboard chart rule change that no longer allowed combining points from "remixes" that substantially changed the melody/lyrics of a song.

Not exactly sure why you had to throw shade at me there with the Teenage Dream comment. To me actually, Teenage Dream does not seem that long ago at all, it's just that many posters here were born as late as the late-90s or even early 2000s, so to them it might seem like a while ago, and the 2010s seems to be the main decade focused on in these threads when discussing chart stats, so I tried to stay along those lines. I also didn't imply that Katy Perry was the first to add featured artists to remixes, of course there were many before her.

Furthermore, I was referring specifically to singles where featured acts are added later after the songs were already charting, with the specific intention of gaining a higher chart position, and where higher positions were in fact achieved (with the exception of E.T. I guess, which I believe was only released as a single and charted after the Kanye remix). I'll admit I also don't know if Fantasy and the J. Lo songs added the features before or after they reached their peaks (Fantasy probably not, since it debuted at no. 1), but the remixes might not have been intended exactly to achieve a higher chart position or lead to more commercial success.

I'm general it's all an evolution, of course. We went from no remixes to remixes that get released with the single to help the song appeal to a wider audience to remixes that are essentially the single itself. None of it exists in a vacuum. From the late 80s/early 90s period to now, there have always been remixes. It's really more about how common they are, and the timing of the release. Technically the "Macarena" that hit #1 in 1996 was a remix, but the original wasn't very known in the U.S. That's a lot like "Despacito." So, those are the songs that benefitted most chart-wise from remixes. Something like "Perfect" was already a hit, and now it seems the remix will take it from being a top 5 hit to a #1. That's different from taking a song that was outside of the top 40 to #1.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 12/09/2017
1. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (166.229) (+1.549)
2. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (154.338) (-0.929)
3. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (140.455) (+2.020)
4. (=) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (127.962) (-0.362)
5. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (127.188) (+0.518)
6. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (123.838) (-1.428)
7. (=) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (111.846) (+0.464)
8. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (103.380) (+1.437)
9. (=) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (95.170) (-0.897)
10. (+1) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (77.749) (+1.325)
11. (-1) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (76.594) (-0.733)
12. (=) G-EAZY - No Limit f/A$AP Rocky, Cardi B (75.823) (+0.292)
13. (=) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (72.339) (-0.594)
14. (+2) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (68.809) (-0.204)
15. (+4) DUA LIPA - New Rules (68.213) (+1.489)
16. (-1) TAYLOR SWIFT - Ready For It (68.122) (-1.073)
17. (-3) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (67.903) (-1.499) ***
18. (-1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (67.284) (-0.210)
19. (+1) LUKE BRYAN - Light It Up (66.734) (+0.238)
20. (-2) P!NK - What About Us (66.211) (-1.119)

Others:
24. (+4) GUCCI MANE - I Get The Bag f/Migos (58.647) (+1.509)
45. (=) MIGOS - MotorSport f/N. Minaj & Cardi (41.605) (+1.034)
61. (=) N.E.R.D. & RIHANNA - Lemon (32.566) (+1.141)

[areyoureadytojump]

^Thanks for doing this every day!

[Golden Bluebird]

Dec 9, 2017 10:42:02 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

^Thanks for doing this every day!

You're welcome :)

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 9, 2017 7:00:37 GMT -5 felipe said:

This might be kind of a silly question, but how does Billboard estimate how many people are listening to songs previously purchased on iTunes?
Every time I listen to a song on Spotify it counts as a stream, right? Now let's say I bought All I Want for Christmas last year. Now it's the Christmas season again and I'm going to be playing that song many times, but I won't be purchasing it again since I already have. How do they account for that?

Radical idea: They should replace sales with direct reporting from iTunes on how often purchased tracks are being played. 

Whatever app you use to listen to downloaded music sends your listening history to Billboard whenever you are online. When you are not online, the app caches your listening history and then sends it when you go back online. 

To those who never go online, their usage is estimated based on the behaviors of everybody who does go online.

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 9, 2017 10:02:42 GMT -5 @vilementality said:

Sorry for the dumb question, but what was the reason behind Gummo dropping from 29 all the way til' 54?

Most likely it suffered from the same problem that Bank Account and Gucci Gang suffered from where YouTube told Billboard that some of their views were fake, so rather than sit down and try to roughly estimate how many were fake, they just tossed every single view out.

[badrobot]

Dec 8, 2017 14:30:50 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

Dec 8, 2017 10:08:53 GMT -5 badrobot said:

LOL at referring to Teenage Dream as "way back."

The real originator of this trend is Mariah Carey, who brought in Ol' Dirty Bastard for a remix of Fantasy over 20 years ago. I'm sure other artists before then had done lower-profile examples but she certainly took it to the forefront (even recorded an alternate take on the music video for it).

And the artist that pushed it over the edge was Jennifer Lopez, who brought in Ja Rule for "remixes" of I'm Real and Ain't it Funny that were actually different songs entirely -- which prompted a Billboard chart rule change that no longer allowed combining points from "remixes" that substantially changed the melody/lyrics of a song.

I thought Michael was the originated of the trend, he brought in Heavy D which was featured on Jam, and if anything Janet did the same years earlier with Alright featuring the same rapper😕 I mean Mariah may have popularized adding rappers as featured artists to songs but originated? I don't think so.

I’m not sure why you’re “disagreeing” when i said *exactly the same thing* in the post you quoted:

“I'm sure other artists before then had done lower-profile examples but she certainly took it to the forefront”

Which is exactly the same as “popularizing”.

And 85la, anyone who refers to 2010-2011 as “way back” is going to get a laugh out of me. Not shade, just funny word choice.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Does anyone know how much airplay AIWFCIY has so far this year?

[Someone]

People on ATRL are predicting Gummo going top 10 .-. Where’s the new forumula when you need it.

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Dec 9, 2017 11:34:12 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Dec 9, 2017 10:02:42 GMT -5 @vilementality said:

Sorry for the dumb question, but what was the reason behind Gummo dropping from 29 all the way til' 54?

Most likely it suffered from the same problem that Bank Account and Gucci Gang suffered from where YouTube told Billboard that some of their views were fake, so rather than sit down and try to roughly estimate how many were fake, they just tossed every single view out.

Yeah, I assumed so, ty for the clarification 

[Deleted]

Dec 9, 2017 14:09:27 GMT -5 Someone said:

People on ATRL are predicting Gummo going top 10 .-. Where’s the new forumula when you need it.

Definitely not this week and probably not the week after that but I’m 3 weeks it might which saddens me.