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Post by 85la on Dec 8, 2017 0:08:41 GMT -5
The trend of adding featured artists to original versions of songs to get higher positions in nothing new. Way back with Teenage Dream, Katy Perry added rappers to none but 3 of her singles which were originally solo versions by her (Kanye to E.T., Missy Elliott to Last Friday Night, and B.o.B. to The One that Got Away), the first two of course went no. 1, while the third missed it but went as high as no. 3. Also around that time, Rihanna added Britney to S&M to help it go #1, while Britney herself did a remix of TTWE with Kesha and Nicki Minaj, which went to #3. I agree though that there does seem to be a new wave of it happening again more often now.
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Post by rickroller on Dec 8, 2017 0:17:57 GMT -5
In comparison with GUMMO, Gucci Gang is a Grammy-worth song. In a word, GG is not even a song.. Just repetitive shitty words and awful sounds.
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Post by TakeMe on Dec 8, 2017 1:10:50 GMT -5
Is there a chance Mariah Carey's Christmas song will hit billboards top ten this year?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 1:14:03 GMT -5
Is there a chance Mariah Carey's Christmas song will hit billboards top ten this year? Enormous. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 8, 2017 2:24:23 GMT -5
Is there a chance Mariah Carey's Christmas song will hit billboards top ten this year? Enormous. Like your mom's ass. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Dec 8, 2017 5:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by kacpe3 on Dec 8, 2017 6:47:16 GMT -5
I like nearly all of Lil Pump's songs but Gummo is just... something on completely different level of awful.
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Post by mako on Dec 8, 2017 7:22:29 GMT -5
Is 6ix9ine/Tekashi-69 allowed to say racial slurs in his own songs? He's white right?
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Dec 8, 2017 7:24:40 GMT -5
Is 6ix9ine/Tekashi-69 allowed to say racial slurs in his own songs? He's white right? I believe he's of Asian descent, so yeah, I don't think he's allowed to say the n-word (which he says a lot in GUMMO). EDIT: Actually, now that I look at his real name and it's Daniel Hernandez, which would imply he's Hispanic like Lil Pump. Still not black though. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Dec 8, 2017 9:12:12 GMT -5
kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format Overall AI (Top 20) - 12/08/20171. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (164.680) (+0.730) 2. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (155.267) (-1.413) 3. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (138.435) (+2.145) 4. (=) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (128.324) (-0.038) 5. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (126.670) (-0.310) 6. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (125.266) (-1.300) 7. (=) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (111.382) (+0.468) 8. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (101.943) (+0.672) 9. (=) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (96.067) (-1.562) 10. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (77.327) (-0.523) 11. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (76.424) (+0.235) 12. (=) G-EAZY - No Limit f/A$AP Rocky, Cardi B (75.531) (+0.743) 13. (=) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (72.933) (-1.562) 14. (+1) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (69.402) (-0.662) 15. (-1) TAYLOR SWIFT - Ready For It (69.195) (-1.104) 16. (=) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (69.013) (-0.679) 17. (+1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (67.494) (-0.517) 18. (-1) P!NK - What About Us (67.330) (-1.135) 19. (+1) DUA LIPA - New Rules (66.724) (+1.598) 20. (-1) LUKE BRYAN - Light It Up (66.496) (+0.250) Others: 45. (+2) MIGOS - MotorSport f/N. Minaj & Cardi (40.571) (+1.016) 46. (+3) TAYLOR SWIFT - End Game f/Ed Sheeran/Future (40.488) (+1.578)
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Post by CF15 on Dec 8, 2017 9:20:10 GMT -5
Does anyone know whether or not the Latin remix of "rockstar" has dropped yet? I really would like to see it reach 10 weeks at #1, especially if Justin Bieber can get a remix to 16 weeks at #1.
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Post by TakeMe on Dec 8, 2017 9:32:11 GMT -5
Is there a chance Mariah Carey's Christmas song will hit billboards top ten this year? Enormous. So I'm assuming giving the changes next year to billboard in terms of streams allowing songs to chart highly, this will be the songs final chance to hit billboards top ten? |
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Post by CF15 on Dec 8, 2017 9:32:55 GMT -5
So... I just heard Gummo for the first time. I feel like I lost brain cells. Same here. I would listen to "Gucci Gang" on repeat all day, for a week, straight, if it meant that "GUMMO" would forever fade into obscurity. I could not even get through an entire listen of it, lol. |
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Post by badrobot on Dec 8, 2017 10:08:53 GMT -5
The trend of adding featured artists to original versions of songs to get higher positions in nothing new. Way back with Teenage Dream, Katy Perry added rappers to none but 3 of her singles which were originally solo versions by her (Kanye to E.T., Missy Elliott to Last Friday Night, and B.o.B. to The One that Got Away), the first two of course went no. 1, while the third missed it but went as high as no. 3. Also around that time, Rihanna added Britney to S&M to help it go #1, while Britney herself did a remix of TTWE with Kesha and Nicki Minaj, which went to #3. I agree though that there does seem to be a new wave of it happening again more often now. LOL at referring to Teenage Dream as "way back." The real originator of this trend is Mariah Carey, who brought in Ol' Dirty Bastard for a remix of Fantasy over 20 years ago. I'm sure other artists before then had done lower-profile examples but she certainly took it to the forefront (even recorded an alternate take on the music video for it). And the artist that pushed it over the edge was Jennifer Lopez, who brought in Ja Rule for "remixes" of I'm Real and Ain't it Funny that were actually different songs entirely -- which prompted a Billboard chart rule change that no longer allowed combining points from "remixes" that substantially changed the melody/lyrics of a song. |
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Post by Groovy on Dec 8, 2017 10:44:53 GMT -5
I think Perfect might have this week in the bag, but I won’t count out Post Malone just yet.
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Post by Dylan :) on Dec 8, 2017 10:48:56 GMT -5
So I'm assuming giving the changes next year to billboard in terms of streams allowing songs to chart highly, this will be the songs final chance to hit billboards top ten? Sorry, I have been so busy lately with college I haven't had a lot of time for this thread. I feel I asked this already and it may have been answered, but I forget and don't time to try and find it. What are the Billboard changes planned for next year? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 8, 2017 10:55:18 GMT -5
The trend of adding featured artists to original versions of songs to get higher positions in nothing new. Way back with Teenage Dream, Katy Perry added rappers to none but 3 of her singles which were originally solo versions by her (Kanye to E.T., Missy Elliott to Last Friday Night, and B.o.B. to The One that Got Away), the first two of course went no. 1, while the third missed it but went as high as no. 3. Also around that time, Rihanna added Britney to S&M to help it go #1, while Britney herself did a remix of TTWE with Kesha and Nicki Minaj, which went to #3. I agree though that there does seem to be a new wave of it happening again more often now. LOL at referring to Teenage Dream as "way back." The real originator of this trend is Mariah Carey, who brought in Ol' Dirty Bastard for a remix of Fantasy over 20 years ago. I'm sure other artists before then had done lower-profile examples but she certainly took it to the forefront (even recorded an alternate take on the music video for it). And the artist that pushed it over the edge was Jennifer Lopez, who brought in Ja Rule for "remixes" of I'm Real and Ain't it Funny that were actually different songs entirely -- which prompted a Billboard chart rule change that no longer allowed combining points from "remixes" that substantially changed the melody/lyrics of a song. Mariah completely redid songs on her remixes before J Lo; see how "I Still Believe" and "Heartbreaker" had urban (not to mention dance) remixes with very different production and even different lyrics. J Lo released her remixes as the main versions, so she took it to the next step, but Mariah definitely took remixes to a whole other level before anyone. Having said that, Mariah doing it in 90s and J Lo in the early 00s isn't directly why it's happening now. There was definitely a lull in terms of remixes, though Rihanna added Britney to "S&M" in 2011 to get a #1 so it never really went away. Taylor Swift did it with Kendrick Lamar on "Bad Blood" a few years ago. But I do think we can say we are seeing it more often now on big hits - from Despacito to Mi Gente to Perfect and more - than we have in a long time. I don't know what the first song to use a remix to get a higher position was in terms of the recent trend. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 8, 2017 11:01:37 GMT -5
I think Perfect might have this week in the bag, but I won’t count out Post Malone just yet. Perfect is #1. Otherwise, Billboard would not have taken the time to write there little 'teaser' article. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 8, 2017 11:09:22 GMT -5
Yeah "Perfect" will be over 100k ahead in downloads and 10 million or so in impressions. The different in streaming would have to be pretty big for "Rockstar" to make it all up.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 8, 2017 11:29:56 GMT -5
Is 6ix9ine/Tekashi-69 allowed to say racial slurs in his own songs? He's white right? Well nobody's stopping him. |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Dec 8, 2017 12:50:55 GMT -5
Gummo is one of my least favorite rap songs this year, but looking at you guys's reactions to it makes me want it to go Top 10. Just so you suburban-Pop fans will have something else to focus your hate on other than good music like Gucci Gang. Gucci Gang and good music in the same sentence? Send me to hell now |
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Post by MilesW1998 on Dec 8, 2017 13:03:26 GMT -5
Gummo is one of my least favorite rap songs this year, but looking at you guys's reactions to it makes me want it to go Top 10. Just so you suburban-Pop fans will have something else to focus your hate on other than good music like Gucci Gang. Seriously, what kind of troll are you? |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Dec 8, 2017 13:18:14 GMT -5
Gummo is one of my least favorite rap songs this year, but looking at you guys's reactions to it makes me want it to go Top 10. Just so you suburban-Pop fans will have something else to focus your hate on other than good music like Gucci Gang. If you want a certain rap song to be popular just to spite some people here, can it at least not be a song by a pedophile? We already have Kodak Black, XXXTentacion and Tay-K on the charts. We don't need any more terrible people getting popular. EDIT: Removed Yo Gotti from this post because I'm not sure the terrible thing I thought Yo Gotti did was actually a thing he did. |
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Post by TakeMe on Dec 8, 2017 14:27:21 GMT -5
So I'm assuming giving the changes next year to billboard in terms of streams allowing songs to chart highly, this will be the songs final chance to hit billboards top ten? Sorry, I have been so busy lately with college I haven't had a lot of time for this thread. I feel I asked this already and it may have been answered, but I forget and don't time to try and find it. What are the Billboard changes planned for next year? |
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Post by TakeMe on Dec 8, 2017 14:30:50 GMT -5
The trend of adding featured artists to original versions of songs to get higher positions in nothing new. Way back with Teenage Dream, Katy Perry added rappers to none but 3 of her singles which were originally solo versions by her (Kanye to E.T., Missy Elliott to Last Friday Night, and B.o.B. to The One that Got Away), the first two of course went no. 1, while the third missed it but went as high as no. 3. Also around that time, Rihanna added Britney to S&M to help it go #1, while Britney herself did a remix of TTWE with Kesha and Nicki Minaj, which went to #3. I agree though that there does seem to be a new wave of it happening again more often now. LOL at referring to Teenage Dream as "way back." The real originator of this trend is Mariah Carey, who brought in Ol' Dirty Bastard for a remix of Fantasy over 20 years ago. I'm sure other artists before then had done lower-profile examples but she certainly took it to the forefront (even recorded an alternate take on the music video for it). And the artist that pushed it over the edge was Jennifer Lopez, who brought in Ja Rule for "remixes" of I'm Real and Ain't it Funny that were actually different songs entirely -- which prompted a Billboard chart rule change that no longer allowed combining points from "remixes" that substantially changed the melody/lyrics of a song. I thought Michael was the originated of the trend, he brought in Heavy D which was featured on Jam, and if anything Janet did the same years earlier with Alright featuring the same rapper😕 I mean Mariah may have popularized adding rappers as featured artists to songs but originated? I don't think so. |
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Post by rainie on Dec 8, 2017 14:33:40 GMT -5
Gummo is one of my least favorite rap songs this year, but looking at you guys's reactions to it makes me want it to go Top 10. Just so you suburban-Pop fans will have something else to focus your hate on other than good music like Gucci Gang. If you want a certain rap song to be popular just to spite some people here, can it at least not be a song by a pedophile? We already have Kodak Black, XXXTentacion, Tay-K, and Yo Gotti on the charts. We don't need any more terrible people getting popular. Yo Gotti's a criminal? |
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Post by rainie on Dec 8, 2017 14:48:12 GMT -5
Is 6ix9ine/Tekashi-69 allowed to say racial slurs in his own songs? He's white right? Well nobody's stopping him. Besides an entire internet-full of SJWs. Trust me, people like Iggy Azelea, Macklemore, and even Post Malone at first got backlash because they were white people rapping -- if 6ix9ine was white he would not be able to get away with saying the n-word. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Dec 8, 2017 14:59:18 GMT -5
If you want a certain rap song to be popular just to spite some people here, can it at least not be a song by a pedophile? We already have Kodak Black, XXXTentacion, Tay-K, and Yo Gotti on the charts. We don't need any more terrible people getting popular. Yo Gotti's a criminal? Well, not exactly a criminal, but his associate was arrested for suspicion of attempted murder of Young Dolph. www.complex.com/music/2017/09/arrest-made-in-young-dolph-shootingI wanted to say that Yo Gotti hired a hitman to murder Young Dolph because that's what I heard in my circles, but looking at this article, I'm not completely sure that's true considering the police no longer considered him a person of interest, though they did say that the shooting might be the result of a beef between Yo Gotti and Young Dolph. Still though, there's no clear proof that Yo Gotti did want Young Dolph to be murdered, so I guess scratch Yo Gotti off the list for now. |
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Post by djkhaled on Dec 8, 2017 17:44:29 GMT -5
ugh all chart achievements aside At This Moment is just a completely unlistenable song, all of the worst parts about the late 1980's summed up into one pointless dirge that is one of the worst ever songs to hit number one. Literally makes Chicago and Peter Cetera and even Michael Bolton seem like the best people ever. As for the top 10 next week does it look like Perfect is going to #1? I really hope so, Ed Sheeran has done a ton of romantic ballads in the same vein and Perfect is by far the best and should be bigger than Thinking Out Loud Even if (when) it goes number one it won’t be bigger than TOL for more than a week. TOL got cockblocked harder than any other song this decade IIRC (maybe anaconda more for a single week), peaking at 64k pts and holding around there for a while |
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Post by Gary on Dec 8, 2017 18:04:38 GMT -5
'At This Moment' made its mark due to exposure on 'Family Ties' an at the time, popular TV show.
#1 hits are #1 for the 'At The Moment' not meant to be popular 30 years later although I am sure the artist who performed it would not mind.
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