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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2017 13:51:04 GMT -5
Why would Bocelli get an official credit when remixes for songs like "Unforgettable" and "Havana" didn't get the guest artist a credit? It comes down to numbers and ratios, and I suspect things have changed since streaming came into play. If a version of the song that includes another artist is a significant source of points for the week, then they credit that artist(s). In this case, both the Beyonce and Andrea Bocelli versions are selling well enough to give both credit next week. It looks like Beyonce remained credited this week despite a sales dip (although still top 10) with the duet's strong streaming numbers, and it looks like it's still doing really well there. I don't have figures in front of me, but I can only assume that the remixes you mentioned didn't contribute enough points to warrant credit. I personally can't recall a situation since streaming happened where a 2nd version of a song did this well in both sales and streaming without the artist getting credit. It's hard for me to have a problem with Beyonce getting credit for a 2nd week when it's still top 10 on both iTunes and Spotify. (Currently, Voice songs have invaded the top 10, pushing it down to #18, yet remains green.) Does that mean there is a certain contribution % that determines credit? |
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Post by Fancy on Dec 19, 2017 14:05:29 GMT -5
once credit is given, it stays. I’m not sure when billboard made that the rule, but you can look at past charts and see that they’ve retroactively given Britney credit on weeks following the remix.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 16:15:01 GMT -5
It comes down to numbers and ratios, and I suspect things have changed since streaming came into play. If a version of the song that includes another artist is a significant source of points for the week, then they credit that artist(s). In this case, both the Beyonce and Andrea Bocelli versions are selling well enough to give both credit next week. It looks like Beyonce remained credited this week despite a sales dip (although still top 10) with the duet's strong streaming numbers, and it looks like it's still doing really well there. I don't have figures in front of me, but I can only assume that the remixes you mentioned didn't contribute enough points to warrant credit. I personally can't recall a situation since streaming happened where a 2nd version of a song did this well in both sales and streaming without the artist getting credit. It's hard for me to have a problem with Beyonce getting credit for a 2nd week when it's still top 10 on both iTunes and Spotify. (Currently, Voice songs have invaded the top 10, pushing it down to #18, yet remains green.) Does that mean there is a certain contribution % that determines credit? Yes. However I don't think we know what it is or what the overall criteria is at this point. I personally feel like this, generally speaking: If one version of a song has enough points to chart on the Hot 100 by itself, and it fits within the criteria for being the same song, the additional artist(s) credit should be added to the main version. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 19, 2017 17:11:21 GMT -5
woo-hoo! The charts for the paid subscribers on .biz are still not up yet. However, the free charts have been readily available for some time
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 21:21:38 GMT -5
I can just see the comments on tomorrow's TheTesteeTop50 upload. "I just started the video and it started with 6ix9ine?! Smh America making no talent rappers famous 🤦♂️" hmmm, are you that trilogy trilogy trilogy guy on youtube Well, yeah. We talked about how a 5-week number 1 that would drop out the next week wouldn't get far into the YE, right? |
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Post by 85la on Dec 19, 2017 21:29:00 GMT -5
It only took 2.5+ years since the release date change. I never understood the logic of 'print' aka newsstand date in this era. 2.5 years? Try 80, or however long Billboard has been publishing music charts! This makes more sense to have the date closer to the tracking week, but here's a wild idea, why not have the date be during the actual tracking week?! So for the data that's being tracked mostly during this calendar week, the chart date could be Dec. 23. I guess to assign a date to a chart/magazine that has already passed is not forward looking or markety enough? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2017 23:23:47 GMT -5
It only took 2.5+ years since the release date change. I never understood the logic of 'print' aka newsstand date in this era. 2.5 years? Try 80, or however long Billboard has been publishing music charts! This makes more sense to have the date closer to the tracking week, but here's a wild idea, why not have the date be during the actual tracking week?! So for the data that's being tracked mostly during this calendar week, the chart date could be Dec. 23. I guess to assign a date to a chart/magazine that has already passed is not forward looking or markety enough? Billboard has just been following general practices for magazines. It's no different than monthly magazines putting out their December issue in November. Other weekly magazines also date issues ahead. It's so when people go to buy them on shelves, it doesn't look outdated. Hell, the car industry do it, too; usually you'd be a 2018 car in 2017, for instance. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 19, 2017 23:54:47 GMT -5
It only took 2.5+ years since the release date change. I never understood the logic of 'print' aka newsstand date in this era. 2.5 years? Try 80, or however long Billboard has been publishing music charts! This makes more sense to have the date closer to the tracking week, but here's a wild idea, why not have the date be during the actual tracking week?! So for the data that's being tracked mostly during this calendar week, the chart date could be Dec. 23. I guess to assign a date to a chart/magazine that has already passed is not forward looking or markety enough? Back when it was sold on newsstands, they had to have the later issue date. However, nothing prevented them from having chart dates. For example, charts could state from week ending and the actual date of the end of chart gathering and a different issue date for the newsstand. It's hard to believe it was the industry bible and I bet the other pubs - Cashbox/R&R regret not getting the AT40 gig. Billboard owes Casey Kasem eternal thanks. |
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 20, 2017 7:30:32 GMT -5
I still am dumbfounded why they didn't align airplay tracking with sales and streaming. Something to do with sales and streaming needing to have a buffer period to collect all of the data versus airplay being immediately available, and Billboard wants their charts to use the most up-to-date data available. Far be it for me to understand why airplay is readily available, but sales and streaming are not. Shouldn't they be? As far as I can tell, all outlets have their data ready next day like airplay. |
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Post by divasummer on Dec 20, 2017 9:34:11 GMT -5
I believe "On Bended Knee" was num.1 the last week of 1994 and before that it was "Here Comes The Hot Stepper.
Both songs were pretty big at the time.
If "AIWFCIY" only reached num.12 in airplay even if it had num.1 sales for the week it could have still only peaked in the Top 3-5 area.
We would probably have to see the other songs airplay to sales ratio I guess.
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Post by garrettlen on Dec 20, 2017 9:43:24 GMT -5
^Knowing Mariah's interest in her chart legacy, I feel like she may look at having some kind of all-out blitz next year to try to make it #1. I bet she wants to beat that Beatles record badly. Maybe in the past, but I'm not so sure about that now. I think she's content with her legacy as the solo artist with the most #1 hits (Rihanna, stay away!), and is no longer so thirsty to rack up more #1 hits. Of course, I could be wrong. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 20, 2017 11:01:54 GMT -5
12/30 Billboard Hot 100
TW LW 2W WOC Title Artist Imprint | label
1 1 3 16 Perfect - Ed Sheeran Duet With Beyonce - Atlantic
2 2 1 13 Rockstar - Post Malone Featuring 21 Savage - Republic
3 3 2 18 Havana - Camila Cabello Featuring Young Thug - SYCO | Epic
4 4 4 14 Gucci Gang - Lil Pump - Lyfetime/Tha Lights Global | Warner Bros.
5 5 5 33 Thunder - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
6 15 17 7 MotorSport - Migos, Nicki Minaj & Cardi B - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
7 6 6 14 Too Good At Goodbyes - Sam Smith - Capitol
8 8 11 15 Bad At Love - Halsey - Astralwerks | Capitol
9 11 21 22 All I Want For Christmas Is You - Mariah Carey - Columbia | Legacy
10 7 8 14 No Limit - G-Eazy Featuring A$AP Rocky & Cardi B - G-Eazy/RVG/BPG | RCA
11 9 7 24 Bodak Yellow (Money Moves) - Cardi B - The KSR Group | Atlantic
12 13 54 5 Gummo - 6ix9ine - Scumgang
13 10 9 16 What Lovers Do - Maroon 5 Featuring SZA - 222 | Interscope
14 17 15 20 New Rules - Dua Lipa - Warner Bros.
15 14 16 17 I Get The Bag - Gucci Mane Featuring Migos - Guwop | Atlantic
16 22 29 9 Let You Down - NF - NF Real Music | Caroline/Capitol
17 12 10 26 Feel It Still - Portugal. The Man - Atlantic
18 16 12 23 Sorry Not Sorry - Demi Lovato - Hollywood/Safehouse/Island | Republic
19 23 19 12 I Fall Apart - Post Malone - Republic
20 18 13 24 Mi Gente - J Balvin & Willy William Featuring Beyonce - Scorpio/Capitol Latin/Parkwood/Republic | Sony Music Latin/UMLE/Columbia
21 20 20 8 Wolves - Selena Gomez X Marshmello - Interscope
22 19 14 33 1-800-273-8255 - Logic Featuring Alessia Cara & Khalid - Visionary | Def Jam
23 25 26 49 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran - Atlantic
24 29 39 16 The Way Life Goes - Lil Uzi Vert Featuring Nicki Minaj - Generation Now | Atlantic
25 27 27 25 Love. - Kendrick Lamar Featuring Zacari - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
26 21 – 2 Him & I - G-Eazy & Halsey - G-Eazy/RVG/BPG | RCA
27 24 18 23 Bank Account - 21 Savage - Slaughter Gang | Epic
28 31 40 8 Meant To Be - Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line - Warner Bros. | BMLG
29 26 32 10 How Long - Charlie Puth - OTTO | Atlantic
30 33 36 18 Silence - Marshmello Featuring Khalid - Joytime Collective | RCA
31 32 23 48 Despacito - Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee Featuring Justin Bieber - Universal Music Latino/Raymond Braun/SchoolBoy/Def Jam | UMLE/Republic
32 28 22 22 Young Dumb & Broke - Khalid - Right Hand | RCA
33 30 25 45 Believer - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
34 37 – 20 Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree - Brenda Lee - Decca/MCA Nashville | UMe
35 45 – 3 It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year - Andy Williams - Columbia | Legacy
36 35 55 12 Sky Walker - Miguel Featuring Travis Scott - ByStorm | RCA
37 43 31 15 ...Ready For It? - Taylor Swift - Big Machine | Republic
38 42 – 10 The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You) - Nat King Cole - Capitol | UMe
39 38 38 20 The Weekend - SZA - Top Dawg | RCA
40 34 24 36 Unforgettable - French Montana Featuring Swae Lee - Ear Drummer/Coke Boys/Bad Boy | Interscope/Epic
41 47 – 3 A Holly Jolly Christmas - Burl Ives - Decca/MCA Special Products/Geffen | UMe
42 36 30 34 Attention - Charlie Puth - OTTO | Atlantic
43 40 37 48 That's What I Like - Bruno Mars - Atlantic
44 Re-Entry 3 Last Christmas - Wham! - Columbia | Legacy
45 44 49 7 Ric Flair Drip - Offset & Metro Boomin - Boominati/Quality Control/Motown/Slaughter Gang | Republic/Capitol/Epic
46 41 43 12 Plain Jane - A$AP Ferg - A$AP Worldwide/Polo Grounds | RCA
47 50 47 37 Humble. - Kendrick Lamar - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
48 46 42 34 There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back - Shawn Mendes - Island | Republic
49 39 83 4 End Game - Taylor Swift Featuring Ed Sheeran & Future - Big Machine | Republic
50 61 – 2 Kooda - 6ix9ine - Scumgang
51 56 57 17 Roll In Peace - Kodak Black Featuring XXXTENTACION - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
52 54 48 15 Greatest Love Story - LANCO - Arista Nashville
53 52 51 14 Pills And Automobiles - Chris Brown Featuring Yo Gotti, A Boogie Wit da Hoodie & Kodak Black - RCA
54 62 62 12 Like I Loved You - Brett Young - BMLG
55 48 46 6 Rubbin Off The Paint - YBN Nahmir - YBN | MMMG
56 55 53 12 Let Me Go - Hailee Steinfeld & Alesso Featuring Florida Georgia Line & Watt - Republic
57 51 33 19 What About Us - P!nk - RCA
58 60 63 6 Lemon - N*E*R*D & Rihanna - N.E.R.D | Columbia
59 66 66 10 Lights Down Low - MAX Featuring gnash - DCD2/Crush Music | RED Associated Labels
60 63 61 14 I'll Name The Dogs - Blake Shelton - Warner Bros. Nashville | WMN
61 Hot Shot Debut 1 Never Be The Same - Camila Cabello - SYCO | Epic
62 59 64 8 Candy Paint - Post Malone - Artist Partners Group/Atlantic/Republic | RRP
63 58 52 3 Codeine Dreaming - Kodak Black Featuring Lil Wayne - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
64 64 65 8 Good Old Days - Macklemore Featuring Kesha - Bendo | ADA/Warner Bros.
65 57 58 16 Light It Up - Luke Bryan - Capitol Nashville
66 67 69 9 Yours - Russell Dickerson - Triple Tigers
67 New 1 Go Legend - Big Sean & Metro Boomin Featuring Travis Scott - Boominati/G.O.O.D. | Republic/Def Jam
68 65 56 20 When It Rains It Pours - Luke Combs - River House | Columbia Nashville
69 70 68 12 Round Here Buzz - Eric Church - EMI Nashville
70 72 60 17 Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift - Big Machine | Republic
71 69 59 20 Unforgettable - Thomas Rhett - Valory
72 New 1 Dark Knight Dummo - Trippie Redd Featuring Travis Scott - EG
73 68 67 5 Betrayed - Lil Xan - Columbia
74 77 73 12 Losing Sleep - Chris Young - RCA Nashville
75 75 76 4 Echame La Culpa - Luis Fonsi & Demi Lovato - Safehouse/Island/Universal Music Latino | Republic/UMLE
76 73 82 5 Pick It Up - Famous Dex Featuring A$AP Rocky - Rich Forever | 300
77 New 1 My Dawg - Lil Baby - Quality Control
78 80 78 17 I Could Use A Love Song - Maren Morris - Columbia Nashville
79 71 28 3 MIC Drop - BTS Featuring Desiigner - BigHit Entertainment
80 Re-Entry 2 Pull Up N Wreck - Big Sean & Metro Boomin Featuring 21 Savage - Boominati/G.O.O.D. | Republic/Def Jam
81 53 – 3 Tell Me You Love Me - Demi Lovato - Hollywood/Safehouse/Island | Republic
82 New 1 Danger - Migos & Marshmello - Atlantic
83 84 84 8 You Broke Up With Me - Walker Hayes - Monument | Arista Nashville
84 76 72 5 Wanted You - NAV Featuring Lil Uzi Vert - XO | Republic
85 78 74 14 Dusk Till Dawn - Zayn Featuring Sia - RCA
86 New 1 Untouchable - Eminem - Web/Shady/Aftermath | Interscope
87 83 80 8 Mayores - Becky G Featuring Bad Bunny - Kemosabe/RCA | Sony Music Latin
88 82 81 16 F**k Love - XXXTentacion Featuring Trippie Redd - Bad Vibes Forever | EMPIRE Recordings
89 88 92 4 Written In The Sand - Old Dominion - RCA Nashville
90 81 75 7 Ghostface Killers - 21 Savage, Offset & Metro Boomin Featuring Travis Scott - Boominati/Quality Control/Motown/Slaughter Gang | Republic/Capitol/Epic
91 89 89 8 Too Much To Ask - Niall Horan - Neon Haze | Capitol
92 97 – 2 Marry Me - Thomas Rhett - Valory
93 Re-Entry 2 No Smoke - YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Never Broke Again
94 86 88 4 When We - Tank - R&B Money | Atlantic
95 98 – 2 Five More Minutes - Scotty McCreery - Triple Tigers
96 93 – 2 Juice - Yo Gotti - Cocaine Muzik | Epic
97 91 93 4 All On Me - Devin Dawson - Atlantic | WEA
98 87 85 16 Jocelyn Flores - XXXTentacion - Bad Vibes Forever | EMPIRE Recordings
99 Re-Entry 2 Legends - Kelsea Ballerini - Black River
100 96 94 4 Faking It - Calvin Harris Featuring Kehlani & Lil Yachty - Columbia
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 20, 2017 11:06:23 GMT -5
^Knowing Mariah's interest in her chart legacy, I feel like she may look at having some kind of all-out blitz next year to try to make it #1. I bet she wants to beat that Beatles record badly. Maybe in the past, but I'm not so sure about that now. I think she's content with her legacy as the solo artist with the most #1 hits (Rihanna, stay away!), and is no longer so thirsty to rack up more #1 hits. Of course, I could be wrong. At this point, I think MC would be happy to get a Top 40 hit again and a critically acclaimed album. I'm pretty sure she's realistic of what she can achieve on the charts at this point in her career. Thanks to AIWFCIY, she'll never disappear. |
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Post by Gary on Dec 20, 2017 11:07:38 GMT -5
^Knowing Mariah's interest in her chart legacy, I feel like she may look at having some kind of all-out blitz next year to try to make it #1. I bet she wants to beat that Beatles record badly. Maybe in the past, but I'm not so sure about that now. I think she's content with her legacy as the solo artist with the most #1 hits (Rihanna, stay away!), and is no longer so thirsty to rack up more #1 hits. Of course, I could be wrong. Whether she is or she isn't, she is 47. Top 10 hits have been coming on and off for 27 years. You can count the #1 hits on one hand of people that old and that have been around that long. |
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Post by badrobot on Dec 20, 2017 16:03:03 GMT -5
^The fact that she's tweeting for people to stream the song is a sign to me she is still interested in hits.
AIWFCIY's top ten entry may have sparked some hope in her that she's not done yet with the chart feats yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 16:06:21 GMT -5
If mariah was super thirsty for #1 hits she would pull a Nicki Minaj and jump on every hot feature but i think she would rather have it happen the way she wants it to happen. Like said above, she has being doing this for 3 decades and is almost 50, she aint getting a solo #1 hit (unless a miracle)
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