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Post by Gary on Feb 14, 2018 12:26:18 GMT -5
Tell me a song that was in the top 10 which had a weaker chart run than Diplomatic Immunity We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow - Soko Chart run one week at #9 |
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Post by thelegends on Feb 14, 2018 12:29:59 GMT -5
Tell me a song that was in the top 10 which had a weaker chart run than Diplomatic Immunity We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow - Soko Chart run one week at #9 I know about it. Another One. |
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Post by iHype. on Feb 14, 2018 12:32:40 GMT -5
Tell me a song that was in the top 10 which had a weaker chart run than Diplomatic Immunity Well in it's defense it wasn't a single. www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8098913/imagine-dragons-believer-hot-100-chart-moves-bebe-rexhaThe others bolded were also non-singles and had huge falls and charted for a handful of weeks. "Red" later on became a single though, and I believe charted some more weeks (albeit never reached nearly as high again). Pretty tragic drop, but I think a non-single going top 10 is already a great achievement. Also let's not forget Soko - We Might By Dead Tomorrow, which has the worst chart run ever: 9 - OFF Only 1 week charting after debuting #9. |
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Post by kat on Feb 14, 2018 13:05:04 GMT -5
Question about recurrence:
Will a song go recurrent if it falls in terms of position on the chart but has a bullet? Assuming it satisfies 20/50 or 25/52 of course
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Post by kat on Feb 14, 2018 13:14:50 GMT -5
^ Not really unlucky. Those would have been extraordinarily weak #1 weeks, its points for those weeks were pretty typical of a #2. Honestly the song that got unlucky was Shape Of You, was at #2 with over 50000 points and #4 with over 45000 so if it hadn't charted in such a competitive time it would have had a ton more weeks at 2 and 3 instead of 4 and 5 It also had a really easy beginning to its run. B&B had around 40k points when it was fighting with SOY for #1. In fact, had SOY been stronger in the beginning, it could have notched an extra 38000 points that would have been quite easy to attain. |
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Post by 85la on Feb 14, 2018 13:22:30 GMT -5
Question about recurrence: Will a song go recurrent if it falls in terms of position on the chart but has a bullet? Assuming it satisfies 20/50 or 25/52 of course I believe it will stay on the chart and not go recurrent, if I'm not mistaken. So for instance, if a song in its 21st week falls 50-51, but shows an increase in points, it will stay on the chart. |
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Post by fhas on Feb 14, 2018 13:41:06 GMT -5
Question about recurrence: Will a song go recurrent if it falls in terms of position on the chart but has a bullet? Assuming it satisfies 20/50 or 25/52 of course I believe it will stay on the chart and not go recurrent, if I'm not mistaken. So for instance, if a song in its 21st week falls 50-51, but shows an increase in points, it will stay on the chart. Don't Let Me Down increased in its 53rd week but it still went recurrent. |
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Post by kat on Feb 14, 2018 13:59:12 GMT -5
I believe it will stay on the chart and not go recurrent, if I'm not mistaken. So for instance, if a song in its 21st week falls 50-51, but shows an increase in points, it will stay on the chart. Don't Let Me Down increased in its 53rd week but it still went recurrent. Bullets are inconsistent. If a bullet is assigned tho, I think maybe the song stays? I know if the song actually rises in position it stays. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 14:01:41 GMT -5
Bullets are intended for songs gaining and still being worked - not songs that have been around forever and just happened to show a gain in week #53. The key is - is it being worked or not? Imagine Dragons singles, for example, get pushed to Pop after other formats in many cases, so although they are old on the Hot 100, they are new to a format and being actively worked all over again.
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Post by fhas on Feb 14, 2018 14:42:42 GMT -5
Don't Let Me Down increased in its 53rd week but it still went recurrent. Bullets are inconsistent. If a bullet is assigned tho, I think maybe the song stays? I know if the song actually rises in position it stays. I know it's a prediction, but I remember simm predicting DLMD to rise in position. |
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Post by rimetm on Feb 14, 2018 15:04:45 GMT -5
If a song peaked loftily and is approaching recurrency and gains in points to still below the cutoff, it's still going. Don't Let Me Down was predicted to move up like 1% and go like 43-40 or something, when it needed to be above #26 to continue. This, incidentally, explains why Greatest Love Story stayed for a 21st week despite not having a chance at actual momentum recently: it moved 65-59 and its peak was a mere #45 (technically the same tier), so it being the top sales gainer was worth acknowledging by keeping it on.
Plus, the whole point of super recurrency is to get old songs out unless they're demonstrating remarkable strength. Just because a song's gaining off random streaming and sales bumps doesn't mean it's remarkable, hence why we haven't seen any exceptions yet. In fact, a nail to the coffin was demonstrated just this past week: Can't Stop the Feeling gained enough that it was #3 on Recurrent Songs, and judging off the positions of other tracks, that means it was somewhere between #30 and #50 (the Culture II bomb prematurely knocked a few songs out that would've readjusted back into the top 50 and 40). However, it obviously did not re-enter the Hot 100 because that notable bump didn't actually get it to the top 25.
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Post by kat on Feb 14, 2018 16:05:58 GMT -5
If a song peaked loftily and is approaching recurrency and gains in points to still below the cutoff, it's still going. Don't Let Me Down was predicted to move up like 1% and go like 43-40 or something, when it needed to be above #26 to continue. This, incidentally, explains why Greatest Love Story stayed for a 21st week despite not having a chance at actual momentum recently: it moved 65-59 and its peak was a mere #45 (technically the same tier), so it being the top sales gainer was worth acknowledging by keeping it on. Plus, the whole point of super recurrency is to get old songs out unless they're demonstrating remarkable strength. Just because a song's gaining off random streaming and sales bumps doesn't mean it's remarkable, hence why we haven't seen any exceptions yet. In fact, a nail to the coffin was demonstrated just this past week: Can't Stop the Feeling gained enough that it was #3 on Recurrent Songs, and judging off the positions of other tracks, that means it was somewhere between #30 and #50 (the Culture II bomb prematurely knocked a few songs out that would've readjusted back into the top 50 and 40). However, it obviously did not re-enter the Hot 100 because that notable bump didn't actually get it to the top 25. The problem with what you just explained is that it’s super subjective. Charts are supposed to be objective, not subject to opinion. If billboard actually does this, that really pisses me off...lol |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 14, 2018 17:11:23 GMT -5
Tell me a song that was in the top 10 which had a weaker chart run than Diplomatic Immunity "We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow" by SoKo debuted at #9 in early 2014. It immediately fell of the chart by next week. (It really was dead by tomorrow). Until a song debuts at #10 and immediately falls off the chart the next week, it will forever hold the record of the weakest Top 10. Diplomatic Immunity's chart run isn't really too uncommon. During the iTunes era, there were a few other Top 10 hits that debuted high because of sales hype and then immediately died down the following weeks because there was no radio to support them. American Idol, Taylor Swift, and I think a few Nick/Disney figures have had songs with similar runs. Taylor Swift's "If This Was A Movie" may be the second worst. Two weeks. #10 -> #53. Taylor Swift's "Change" also had a worse chart run than "Diplomatic Immunity". Three weeks. #10 -> #39 -> #100. |
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Post by jebsib on Feb 14, 2018 18:30:26 GMT -5
I notice that the Hot 100 doesn't necessarily have to have a Greatest Gainer / Airplay anymore.
Last week it didn't for the first time in 31 years.
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Post by rimetm on Feb 14, 2018 18:51:14 GMT -5
If a song peaked loftily and is approaching recurrency and gains in points to still below the cutoff, it's still going. Don't Let Me Down was predicted to move up like 1% and go like 43-40 or something, when it needed to be above #26 to continue. This, incidentally, explains why Greatest Love Story stayed for a 21st week despite not having a chance at actual momentum recently: it moved 65-59 and its peak was a mere #45 (technically the same tier), so it being the top sales gainer was worth acknowledging by keeping it on. Plus, the whole point of super recurrency is to get old songs out unless they're demonstrating remarkable strength. Just because a song's gaining off random streaming and sales bumps doesn't mean it's remarkable, hence why we haven't seen any exceptions yet. In fact, a nail to the coffin was demonstrated just this past week: Can't Stop the Feeling gained enough that it was #3 on Recurrent Songs, and judging off the positions of other tracks, that means it was somewhere between #30 and #50 (the Culture II bomb prematurely knocked a few songs out that would've readjusted back into the top 50 and 40). However, it obviously did not re-enter the Hot 100 because that notable bump didn't actually get it to the top 25. The problem with what you just explained is that it’s super subjective. Charts are supposed to be objective, not subject to opinion. If billboard actually does this, that really pisses me off...lol I believe I described an objective formula for keeping songs on For 20 Weeks"If Position Lower Than 50 and Peak Lower Than 40 and This Week's Chart Points > Last Week's Chart Points, then the song stays on" For 52 Weeks"If Position Lower Than 25 and Peak Lower Than 20 and This Week's Chart Points > Last Week's Chart Points, then the song stays on" The thing is, no song's ever gonna be able to test the latter formula because when the heck's a song gonna stay on for a year without at least scraping the top 20? Only Sail achieved that, which was the specialest of special cases, and we have no examples post-rule. |
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Post by renaboss on Feb 14, 2018 19:06:55 GMT -5
Taylor Swift's "If Today Were A Movie" may be the second worst. Two weeks. #91 -> #53. I honestly can't tell if you meant "Today Was a Fairytale" or "If This Was a Movie".  Also I hate when sometimes I have to reply within the quote cos I can't click below, must make it confusing to read. |
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Post by deepston on Feb 14, 2018 19:16:51 GMT -5
Taylor Swift's "If Today Were A Movie" may be the second worst. Two weeks. #91 -> #53. I honestly can't tell if you meant "Today Was a Fairytale" or "If This Was a Movie".  Also I hate when sometimes I have to reply within the quote cos I can't click below, must make it confusing to read. When this happens just click the green "Reply" button, press "BBCode" type of text and write whatever you want after the [/quote]. |
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Post by renfield75 on Feb 14, 2018 21:57:10 GMT -5
Tell me a song that was in the top 10 which had a weaker chart run than Diplomatic Immunity The infamous "We Might Be Dead By Tomorrow" by SoKo. Debuted at number 9 and plunged off the chart completely the following week. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Feb 15, 2018 0:50:59 GMT -5
Taylor Swift's "If Today Were A Movie" may be the second worst. Two weeks. #91 -> #53. I honestly can't tell if you meant "Today Was a Fairytale" or "If This Was a Movie". Also I hate when sometimes I have to reply within the quote cos I can't click below, must make it confusing to read. If This Was A Movie. I made multiple mistakes on that. I also put #91 instead of #10 (me accidently doing inverse point stuff in my head, lmao) I posted a huge list of songs with weak chart runs but then pro-boards deleted it, so I got really mad and posted just the two that were worse than "Diplomatic Immunity". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 8:11:15 GMT -5
Really hoping Look Alive debuts around the 25 mark, didn't expect it to blow up so quickly. Yet again, what else do we expect when Drake is featured
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Post by kat on Feb 15, 2018 9:20:39 GMT -5
The problem with what you just explained is that it’s super subjective. Charts are supposed to be objective, not subject to opinion. If billboard actually does this, that really pisses me off...lol I believe I described an objective formula for keeping songs on For 20 Weeks"If Position Lower Than 50 and Peak Lower Than 40 and This Week's Chart Points > Last Week's Chart Points, then the song stays on" For 52 Weeks"If Position Lower Than 25 and Peak Lower Than 20 and This Week's Chart Points > Last Week's Chart Points, then the song stays on" The thing is, no song's ever gonna be able to test the latter formula because when the heck's a song gonna stay on for a year without at least scraping the top 20? Only Sail achieved that, which was the specialest of special cases, and we have no examples post-rule. Even sail peaked in the top 20 Also WTF why is SOY gaining on radio again? |
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Post by rimetm on Feb 15, 2018 9:31:33 GMT -5
It didn't get to that point until it was already past week 52, that was what I meant. However, it's moot because the rule didn't apply yet.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 15, 2018 9:56:06 GMT -5
Also WTF why is SOY gaining on radio again? Because Donald Trump is President. |
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Post by inverse on Feb 15, 2018 14:20:34 GMT -5
Don't forget about Purple Rain which returned to the charts and went 17-4-off :(
Also in answer to the question about bullets, another example is Little Talks by Of Monsters And Men which peaked above 50 on its first run and then fell below 50 with a bullet but stayed on. So at its 25th week it was at 53 despite having been at 49 a few weeks earlier, because it had a bullet for all that time
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Post by renaboss on Feb 15, 2018 14:32:16 GMT -5
I have no idea what this talk about bullets means.
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Post by thelegends on Feb 15, 2018 14:32:46 GMT -5
Don't forget about Purple Rain which returned to the charts and went 17-4-off :( Also in answer to the question about bullets, another example is Little Talks by Of Monsters And Men which peaked above 50 on its first run and then fell below 50 with a bullet but stayed on. So at its 25th week it was at 53 despite having been at 49 a few weeks earlier, because it had a bullet for all that time All Prince songs charting in 2016 are a special case because of his death. |
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Post by thelegends on Feb 15, 2018 14:41:43 GMT -5
Funniest thing is that GUMMO, The Race, KOODA, and KEKE are each getting more airplay than LWYMMD. LWYMMD biggest flop lead single since I honestly don't know and Reputation biggest flop album since I honestly don't know. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 15, 2018 15:06:02 GMT -5
Don't forget about Purple Rain which returned to the charts and went 17-4-off :( Also in answer to the question about bullets, another example is Little Talks by Of Monsters And Men which peaked above 50 on its first run and then fell below 50 with a bullet but stayed on. So at its 25th week it was at 53 despite having been at 49 a few weeks earlier, because it had a bullet for all that time All Prince songs charting in 2016 are a special case because of his death. No more of a 'special case' than an album track that debuts the week of an album release (though the Prince songs were re-entries, not full chart runs). Even that Soko song is a 'special case' because it was a random song featured in the background of a video that went viral, and it charted for one week off the views. Few if any of the songs we've been discussing were actual singles that had very brief chart runs. It all depends on what type of charting song someone is looking for. |
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Post by Bwol on Feb 15, 2018 15:06:28 GMT -5
Funniest thing is that GUMMO, The Race, KOODA, and KEKE are each getting more airplay than LWYMMD. LWYMMD biggest flop lead single since I honestly don't know and Reputation biggest flop album since I honestly don't know. 😂😂😂😂😂 Reputation was the only album of 2017 to sell over 1 million copies 🤔🤔🤔 |
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