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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 24, 2018 19:35:25 GMT -5
Where has someone said 25/52 is not strict enough? I interpreted their post to mean that Shape Of You shouldn’t be charting anymore = 25/52 isn’t strict enough. Unless they meant they want some kind of horrible weighting thing like in the UK, to make the data less accurate. I can't speak for them, but speaking for myself there is another option; I am annoyed at "SOY" still hanging around, but that is separate from any chart rule. I just don't understand it still hanging around this long after when there are newer songs, but that doesn't mean I want the 25/52 rule to change; i just wish radio would drop it. |
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Post by mako on Feb 24, 2018 20:47:52 GMT -5
You can't say 25/52 rule isn't strict enough if only 1 song is the problem.
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Post by mako on Feb 24, 2018 20:50:55 GMT -5
And, what is 3/3's tracking week?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 24, 2018 22:14:08 GMT -5
^February 16-22, 2018 for digital sales and streaming, February 19-25, 2018 for radio airplay. |
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Post by thebops on Feb 24, 2018 22:59:09 GMT -5
This type of s**t is why I don’t consider anything pre-Nielsen to be reliable from billboard. Nielsen = actual performance not label fuckery Also, thank god for streaming. Finally music is in the hands of the people It's also why I laugh when people try to put down the achievements of today in comparison to the past. (Example: Katy's Teenage Dream #1s compared to Bad's, Rihanna's 30+ top 10s, etc) Almost every achievement today is probably realistically harder when real data, slower chart turnover, and minimal label manipulation is being used. The people who claim it was 'harder then'/'more impressive then' just say that with no validity behind it. There is validity to this. One area though where it is actually much easier today than in the past is with the metric of "number of songs charted". Back in the day you had to have a physical single released in order to chart whereas in the present you can have an entire album hit the Hot 100 (albeit many of them for a single week). |
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Post by iHype. on Feb 24, 2018 23:31:05 GMT -5
Wow, I just looked and saw Shape of You back to top 25 on Overall Radio today.
Real question: Do you guys think its possibly the biggest run ever for any song on radio?
It was released 13 months ago. Happy/All of Me/We Belong Together/Yeah!/etc didn't still have a run like this over a year later if my memory serves correctly.
It's not near the highest cumulative audience ever yet, but if we are talking about a run on the radio chart before going recurrent I'm not sure any song has a better one.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 24, 2018 23:57:34 GMT -5
Not capped by the 52 week recurrent rule - sure overall - no I honestly think it might get the highest cumulative audience ever down the line. Assuming it keeps steady pace. A blog posted the songs with the 50 highest cumulative audiences last Summer: Full top 50: culturalmentepop.blogspot.com.br/2017/06/as-50-musicas-com-os-maiores-acumulados.htmlIt's already around 7.5 billion. Another 2 billion this year (averaging 40 million per week) would put it in the top 10 by the end of this year alone. |
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Post by iHype. on Feb 24, 2018 23:59:30 GMT -5
And here are the 10 longest charting radio singles on the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay chart since 1991 1. 72 Til I Hear It From You, Gin Blossoms 2. 70 One Headlight, The Wallflowers 3. 69 I Don t Want To Wait, Paula Cole 4. 65 You Were Meant For Me, Jewel 5. 63 Before He Cheats, Carrie Underwood 63 Don't Speak, No Doubt 63 How Do I Live, LeAnn Rimes 63 If You Could Only See, Tonic 63 Party Rock Anthem, LMFAO 10. 60 Walkin On The Sun, Smash Mouth At 59 weeks - Fly by Sugar Ray and Shape Of You by Ed Sheeran Also an important note is that Billboard didn't include Urban/Latin/etc formats in the Overall until 1998. Meaning many of those wouldn't have lasted as long. Crossover hits and hits on Urban that would've been charting on the chart would've pushed them out the chart some weeks earlier. Also I believe the airplay chart was a Top 75 with no recurrent rules in the 90s. Today it's a Top 50, with recurrent rules. |
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Post by brady47 on Feb 25, 2018 0:14:11 GMT -5
Wow, I just looked and saw Shape of You back to top 25 on Overall Radio today. Real question: Do you guys think its possibly the biggest run ever for any song on radio ?It was released 13 months ago. Happy/All of Me/We Belong Together/Yeah!/etc didn't still have a run like this over a year later if my memory serves correctly. It's not near the highest cumulative audience ever yet, but if we are talking about a run on the radio chart before going recurrent I'm not sure any song has a better one. Shape of You has to be the biggest radio hit ever. It had 38 weeks in the top 10? And basically its entire chart run so far in the top 20 minus a few weeks? It's worldwide domination is insane. |
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Post by forg on Feb 25, 2018 1:36:19 GMT -5
Some current status of new songs doing well out of the gate:
Post Malone's Psycho #1 on iTunes and #2 on Spotify
Logic's 44 More #4 on iTunes and #6 on Spotify
5 Seconds of Summer's Want You Back #6 on iTunes and #16 on Spotify
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Post by rainie on Feb 25, 2018 1:52:44 GMT -5
The UK charts are a perfect example of what happens when old fossils refuse to accept the inevitable. Hopefully Billboard doesn’t go down the same route. Get me up to speed, what are the U.K. chart's recurrent rules? |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 25, 2018 2:01:51 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 25, 2018 2:49:59 GMT -5
The UK charts are a perfect example of what happens when old fossils refuse to accept the inevitable. Hopefully Billboard doesn’t go down the same route. Get me up to speed, what are the U.K. chart's recurrent rules? There aren't any, but songs that are newer get weighted much heavier than older songs. |
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Post by rainie on Feb 25, 2018 3:04:37 GMT -5
Get me up to speed, what are the U.K. chart's recurrent rules? There aren't any, but songs that are newer get weighted much heavier than older songs. Depending on the details, that doesn't sound like a bad idea actually, at least on paper. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 25, 2018 3:13:14 GMT -5
The UK chart rule is dreadful. It has to do with a song's streaming ratio being changed once it's been on the charts long enough (and I think it has to have been declining for 2-3 weeks too). The recurrent rule is a lot better because it is applied in a flat way across all songs that have been on the charts long enough and are below a certain range. There was a week earlier this year where Perfect would have been #3 without it, but because of that change in weighing, it was down at #18. Last year, there was a week where Wild Thoughts snuck in at #1 even though Despacito was both streaming and selling more than it.
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Post by chartslovergermany on Feb 25, 2018 3:26:34 GMT -5
The UK chart rule is dreadful. It has to do with a song's streaming ratio being changed once it's been on the charts long enough (and I think it has to have been declining for 2-3 weeks too). The recurrent rule is a lot better because it is applied in a flat way across all songs that have been on the charts long enough and are below a certain range. There was a week earlier this year where Perfect would have been #3 without it, but because of that change in weighing, it was down at #18. Last year, there was a week where Wild Thoughts snuck in at #1 even though Despacito was both streaming and selling more than it. haha yes i remembered that with Wild Thoughts and Despacito,even after Wild Thoughts(1week at number1)Despacito returned to the top spot and Feels by Calvin Harris kicked it off the top,at that time it was still the most selled/streamed song |
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Post by renaboss on Feb 25, 2018 8:08:58 GMT -5
I cba to quote anyone, and several people questioned what I meant about it, but I did not mean to say "Shape of You" shouldn't be allowed to chart anymore, not my point, my point was precisely how it still amasses enough numbers to chart because radio just won't drop it. It came in the sequence of someone revealing that, in the 80s, labels would push for radio stations to drop older songs in favor of newer singles, so my point was: would that be such a bad thing if it came back into play?
Someone said that, finally, the hits are in the hands of the people, not the labels, but the people don't decide what radio stations play, and with the pre-made streaming playlists, even that is debatable. If I'm at the gym listening to a playlist, I oftentimes won't be arsed to skip to the next song if I come upon one I don't particularly like. So it's kinda like the radio in a sense.
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Post by ry4n on Feb 25, 2018 8:56:09 GMT -5
The UK chart rule is dreadful. It has to do with a song's streaming ratio being changed once it's been on the charts long enough (and I think it has to have been declining for 2-3 weeks too). The recurrent rule is a lot better because it is applied in a flat way across all songs that have been on the charts long enough and are below a certain range. There was a week earlier this year where Perfect would have been #3 without it, but because of that change in weighing, it was down at #18. Last year, there was a week where Wild Thoughts snuck in at #1 even though Despacito was both streaming and selling more than it. There's also the "3 songs per artist" rule after Ed Sheeran broke the UK charts last March. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Feb 25, 2018 9:29:20 GMT -5
kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format Overall AI (Top 20) - 02/25/20181. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (182.668) (-1.203) 2. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (170.102) (+0.473) 3. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (152.418) (-1.365) 4. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (142.262) (-1.294) 5. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (118.976) (+0.222) 6. (=) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (110.495) (+1.663) 7. (+1) MAX - Lights Down Low (105.650) (+0.624) 8. (-1) HALSEY - Bad At Love (104.939) (-1.985) 9. (=) NF - Let You Down (102.002) (+1.272) 10. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (100.447) (+2.102) 11. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (94.435) (+1.973) 12. (+1) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (89.935) (+0.087) 13. (-1) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (89.639) (-1.570) 14. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (87.449) (+0.419) 15. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (85.177) (-1.361) 16. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (71.381) (-0.247) 17. (+1) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (71.307) (+1.210) 18. (-1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (70.996) (-0.279) 19. (=) SCOTTY MCCREERY - Five More Minutes (69.674) (+0.968) 20. (=) THOMAS RHETT - Marry Me (64.244) (+0.962) Outside the Top 20: 21. (+1) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (63.716) (+1.419) 29. (+1) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (53.107) (+1.058) 40. (+2) BRETT ELDREDGE - The Long Way (46.293) (+1.072) 45. (+2) MAROON 5 - Wait (42.907) (+1.002) 49. (+3) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (40.607) (+1.981) 66. (+2) JASON ALDEAN - You Make It Easy (31.813) (+1.365)
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Post by Gary on Feb 25, 2018 12:11:45 GMT -5
And here are the 10 longest charting radio singles on the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay chart since 1991 1. 72 Til I Hear It From You, Gin Blossoms 2. 70 One Headlight, The Wallflowers 3. 69 I Don t Want To Wait, Paula Cole 4. 65 You Were Meant For Me, Jewel 5. 63 Before He Cheats, Carrie Underwood 63 Don't Speak, No Doubt 63 How Do I Live, LeAnn Rimes 63 If You Could Only See, Tonic 63 Party Rock Anthem, LMFAO 10. 60 Walkin On The Sun, Smash Mouth At 59 weeks - Fly by Sugar Ray and Shape Of You by Ed Sheeran Also an important note is that Billboard didn't include Urban/Latin/etc formats in the Overall until 1998. Meaning many of those wouldn't have lasted as long. Crossover hits and hits on Urban that would've been charting on the chart would've pushed them out the chart some weeks earlier. Also I believe the airplay chart was a Top 75 with no recurrent rules in the 90s. Today it's a Top 50, with recurrent rules. Maybe, maybe not Much of that list did not chart on the Hot 100 at all. You could only hear them if you requested it on radio or bought the album Airplay charts coincide with the recurrent rules of the Hot 100 - When Shape of You falls below #25, the song will also disappear from the radio charts, no matter how high it is. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 25, 2018 12:14:41 GMT -5
And here are the 10 longest charting radio singles on the Billboard Hot 100 Airplay chart since 1991 1. 72 Til I Hear It From You, Gin Blossoms 2. 70 One Headlight, The Wallflowers 3. 69 I Don t Want To Wait, Paula Cole 4. 65 You Were Meant For Me, Jewel 5. 63 Before He Cheats, Carrie Underwood 63 Don't Speak, No Doubt 63 How Do I Live, LeAnn Rimes 63 If You Could Only See, Tonic 63 Party Rock Anthem, LMFAO 10. 60 Walkin On The Sun, Smash Mouth At 59 weeks - Fly by Sugar Ray and Shape Of You by Ed Sheeran Also an important note is that Billboard didn't include Urban/Latin/etc formats in the Overall until 1998. Meaning many of those wouldn't have lasted as long. Crossover hits and hits on Urban that would've been charting on the chart would've pushed them out the chart some weeks earlier. Also I believe the airplay chart was a Top 75 with no recurrent rules in the 90s. Today it's a Top 50, with recurrent rules. What formats were included? Many of them would have been aided by AC and Hot AC (and country for "BHC" and rock formats for some others) if those weren't included either. |
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Post by Harx on Feb 25, 2018 12:23:07 GMT -5
Is Look Alive likely to stay in the top 10?
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Post by Choco on Feb 25, 2018 12:55:45 GMT -5
The UK chart rule is dreadful. It has to do with a song's streaming ratio being changed once it's been on the charts long enough (and I think it has to have been declining for 2-3 weeks too). The recurrent rule is a lot better because it is applied in a flat way across all songs that have been on the charts long enough and are below a certain range. There was a week earlier this year where Perfect would have been #3 without it, but because of that change in weighing, it was down at #18. Last year, there was a week where Wild Thoughts snuck in at #1 even though Despacito was both streaming and selling more than it. There's also the "3 songs per artist" rule after Ed Sheeran broke the UK charts last March. I think this is a great argument for keeping airplay on the charts, which the UK charts don't use. It keeps huge streaming acts like Drake or Migos not getting the entire top 10 of the chart on album release week, when in reality the popular element is the album, not the songs themselves. |
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Post by DJ General on Feb 25, 2018 12:56:00 GMT -5
It's always impressive to see Country songs in the Top 20 especially since they really only get airplay on one format obviously.
When you have most of the songs on the top 20 getting massive airplay in 2, 3 or even 4 different genres.
Is there a list of Country songs from this decade that have passed like 75 million impressions? I would imagine it is only a handful of song and songs that probably were crossovers - Lady Antebellum, Taylor, etc.
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Feb 25, 2018 13:24:00 GMT -5
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Post by iHype. on Feb 25, 2018 13:44:26 GMT -5
Also an important note is that Billboard didn't include Urban/Latin/etc formats in the Overall until 1998. Meaning many of those wouldn't have lasted as long. Crossover hits and hits on Urban that would've been charting on the chart would've pushed them out the chart some weeks earlier. Also I believe the airplay chart was a Top 75 with no recurrent rules in the 90s. Today it's a Top 50, with recurrent rules. What formats were included? Many of them would have been aided by AC and Hot AC (and country for "BHC" and rock formats for some others) if those weren't included either. Apparently Top 40, HAC, AC, Rhythmic, and Alternative were the only ones included in overall. Then at the end of 1998, they added other formats mainly Urban & Urban AC. So Pop hits that were crossovers on HAC/AC/Alternative formats had the advantage before end of 1998. Which is why songs like "Iris" and "Don't Speak" have the most weeks #1 from that era, and then once Urban/Urban AC was added to Overall songs like "We Belong Together", "No One", "Yeah!" which are Urban crossovers ended up being the biggest reigners during the 2000s on the overall chart. This does actually make me wonder if "One Sweet Day", "I Will Always Love You", "End of the Road", "Unbreak My Heart", "The Boy Is Mine" and all the other R&B smashes from 1992-1998 would've actually spent even MORE weeks at #1 had Urban/Urban AC airplay been included in the Hot 100 Airplay chart. Crazy they had that dominance without Urban airplay. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 25, 2018 14:10:12 GMT -5
What formats were included? Many of them would have been aided by AC and Hot AC (and country for "BHC" and rock formats for some others) if those weren't included either. Apparently Top 40, HAC, AC, Rhythmic, and Alternative were the only ones included in overall. Then at the end of 1998, they added other formats mainly Urban & Urban AC. And country, which was big for the charts since there were so many country crossover hits at that time. Yeah, I've wondered the same thing on here before. |
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Post by renaboss on Feb 25, 2018 14:17:09 GMT -5
"Finesse" predicted to hit #2 again, here's hoping this week is the week. I'd settle for Bruno getting his first #2 hit.
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Post by Harx on Feb 25, 2018 14:46:21 GMT -5
Yet another week at #21 for How Long? lmao
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Post by Leo ✔ on Feb 25, 2018 14:49:24 GMT -5
Yet another week at #21 for How Long? lmao If "How Long" isn't able to climb this week, #21 will be its peak since it already peaked on Pop. |
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