Billboard Hot 100: 3/3/2018

[renaboss]

Lol if "Psycho" debuts at #2 and "Finesse" remains at #3, meaning it's the week it finally ranks above "Perfect". Except, sad lol. Murderous lol, I would dare say.

[renaboss]

Feb 26, 2018 15:00:23 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

How am I only now learning about this? Thanks!!

[fhas]

God's Plan estimated breakdown (I'll adjust when HDD updates its Song Revenue Chart):

81,000 sales
76,000,000 airplay
45,060,132 on-demand streams
47,151,119 YouTube streams
9,488,749 programmed streams
101,700,000 total streams

84,935 points

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Weeks Top 5/Top 10

rockstar 22/23
Havana 17/18
Perfect 15/17

[Suono]

The top 10 is SO STALE it drives me crazy. These songs are past their primes and are preventing current hits from better success.

[Gary]

Well to some, they are "current" hits, that is why they are ranked that way

[chartslovergermany]

43. Khalid and Normani - "Love Lies" (NEW)
yasss normani ❤️

[forg]

The Middle so close to the top 10!

[annoymous1]

Ah! At least one song from 2017 is out the top 5... The longevity of Havana and Perfect is something else. Finesse looks like #3 will be it's peak since Psycho will probably debut at #2 .

[iHype.]

Drake is truly the biggest artist among the 13-30 demographic.

[jebsib]

"For several years, Drake has been the generational litmus test of millennial pop—the first major rapper whom people older than 40, even the ones who grew up with rap, felt alienated by, unable to abide his whiny-singsongy flow or his woolgathering lyrics." - Chris Molanphy - Slate

Agree, old guys?

[tanooki]

Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake - King's Dead #23
YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Outside Today #35
Maroon 5 - Wait #39
Scotty McCreery - 5 More Minutes #44
Rich The Kid Featuring Kendrick Lamar - New Freezer #46
Chris Stapleton - Broken Halos #53
Kane Brown - Heaven #54
Daddy Yankee - Dura #57
Marshmello & Anne-Marie - Friends #58
Imagine Dragons - Whatever It Takes #60
Luke Bryan - Most People Are Good #63
Devin Dawson - All On Me #70
Derez De'Shon - Hardaway #75
Jordan Davis - Singles You Up #77
Tank - When We #79
Jacquees X Dej Loaf - At The Club #86
Lauv - I Like Me Better #90

Source: Chart History for Artists on Billboards Website

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

Feb 26, 2018 20:00:57 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Marshmello & Anne-Marie - Friends #58
Imagine Dragons - Whatever It Takes #60

These two better enter Top 50 next week 

[renaboss]

Feb 26, 2018 19:53:52 GMT -5 jebsib said:

"For several years, Drake has been the generational litmus test of millennial pop—the first major rapper whom people older than 40, even the ones who grew up with rap, felt alienated by, unable to abide his whiny-singsongy flow or his woolgathering lyrics." - Chris Molanphy - Slate

Agree, old guys?

I'm only 26 and yet I agree. Give me "Bust a Move", "U Can't Touch This", "Baby Got Back" or "Hot in Herre" over "God's Plan" anytime. I like to be able to jam to my rap songs, if I wanna sleep I'll put on those ASMR videos on YouTube.

[deepston]

Shocked at how such a mediocre song is getting this level of success. This will probably rule for a while.

[imbondz]

I’m old and I’ll take Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg early stuff over Drake any day. Only Drake songs I’ve listened to purposely are One Dance and Hotline Bling.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Same here. I'm take most really old school rap from the 1980s and 1990s, including but not limited to Run DMC and Beastie over the *rap that's being released today. The only Drake's song I've intentionally listened to are Forever and Hold On, We're Going Home. I do agree that Fake Love and God's Plan are among his whiniest lyrics so far.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I really like God's Plan but this is too much, IT'S NOT THAT GOOD. 

[stetz]

I like 80s, 90s & 10s rap over most of the commercially successful rap in the 00s. I don't actively listen to all of Drake's music, but God's Plan ain't bad. My ideal hip hop is both introspective or social commentary, as well as a banger.

I'd say the commercially successful hip hop artists of the 10s that I listen to those most these days includes

Kanye West
A$AP Rocky
Childish Gambino
Kendrick Lamar
Travis Scott
Joey Bada$$
Earl Sweatshirt
Run the Jewels

So all new school, with Kanye being the only one who big in the 00s. As far as any hip hop artists/group that I listen to the most whose peak commercial success predates the 10s, I'd include

A Tribe Called Quest
The Fugees
Souls of Mischief
Wu-Tang Clan
Biggie
N.W.A

[Glove Slap]

Turn the O2 into the O3

[Juanca]

Feb 26, 2018 9:59:32 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Feb 26, 2018 9:14:44 GMT -5 Gary said:

A pure "cover" perhaps

However,

Parts of Blurred Lines and Uptown Funk were taken from prior hits

Hehe that's right. As I wrote that, I almost said "Right Round" doesn't count, lol - it's the one I remembered the most, totally forgot about "Blurred Lines". Side note, I love "Blurred Lines", and hate "Got to Give It Up", I just don't get what that song was trying to be. I didn't know about "Uptown Funk" sampling stuff.

Also, lol at "Shape of You" apparently sampling "No Scrubs". Must take a good ear to pick up on that, never in a million years would I have drawn a connection between those two.

Well, let’s not forget Closer’s “inspiration” from The Fray’s Over My Head and Look What You Made Me Do’s from Right Said Fred’s I’m Too Sexy...

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Why are all these examples of songs that borrow, or extrapolate or sample older songs being viewed in the same context as an actual cover? They're completely different things.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Feb 26, 2018 23:17:39 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Why are all these examples of songs that borrow, or extrapolate or sample older songs being viewed in the same context as an actual cover? They're completely different things.

Exactly, but it reflects that artists (and labels) quickly discovered that there is more money and I suppose 'artistry' if a song is a derivative of a hit rather than a full blown cover. For example, Will Smith notched 3 'original' big hits with MIB, GJWI and Miami v if he had officially covered FMN, HTGD & ATBGO. He can own those hits even though he heavily borrowed from those previous hits.

[wavey.]

Feb 26, 2018 21:33:05 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

Turn the O2 into the O3

Okay!! Look what you made Drake do🤷🏽‍♂️

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 26, 2018 23:54:51 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Feb 26, 2018 23:17:39 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Why are all these examples of songs that borrow, or extrapolate or sample older songs being viewed in the same context as an actual cover? They're completely different things.

Exactly, but it reflects that artists (and labels) quickly discovered that there is more money and I suppose 'artistry' if a song is a derivative of a hit rather than a full blown cover. For example, Will Smith notched 3 'original' big hits with MIB, GJWI and Miami v if he had officially covered FMN, HTGD & ATBGO. He can own those hits even though he heavily borrowed from those previous hits.

Wasn't rap and hip-hop at that time regularly sampling other hits anyway? I don't think Will Smith made that decision because it was "artistic" but rather because likely it was the standard. Every track on Puffy's No Way Out album pretty much sampled at least one song. That was the style.

There was a period in the 90s when covers were 'in'. I'm not sure why that was the way really. Maybe it was when pop music leaned heavily toward adult contemporary and AC singers tend to be more likely to cover classics of the 70s and 80s at that time. But maybe it's more to do with songs from the 90s and 2000s not really having the same lifespan that allows them to be covered by today's artists? Or that there's more of an expectation for today's mainstream acts to have more involvement in their songs and covering hits from 15-30 years ago doesn't really fit into today's climate? It's interesting.

[ry4n]

Feb 27, 2018 0:19:06 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Feb 26, 2018 23:54:51 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Exactly, but it reflects that artists (and labels) quickly discovered that there is more money and I suppose 'artistry' if a song is a derivative of a hit rather than a full blown cover. For example, Will Smith notched 3 'original' big hits with MIB, GJWI and Miami v if he had officially covered FMN, HTGD & ATBGO. He can own those hits even though he heavily borrowed from those previous hits.

Wasn't rap and hip-hop at that time regularly sampling other hits anyway? I don't think Will Smith made that decision because it was "artistic" but rather because likely it was the standard. Every track on Puffy's No Way Out album pretty much sampled at least one song. That was the style.

There was a period in the 90s when covers were 'in'. I'm not sure why that was the way really. Maybe it was when pop music leaned heavily toward adult contemporary and AC singers tend to be more likely to cover classics of the 70s and 80s at that time. But maybe it's more to do with songs from the 90s and 2000s not really having the same lifespan that allows them to be covered by today's artists? Or that there's more of an expectation for today's mainstream acts to have more involvement in their songs and covering hits from 15-30 years ago doesn't really fit into today's climate? It's interesting.

This guy (who used to review Australian #1 hits) raised some interesting points.

So, what changed? One big difference between 2015 and 1995 is the rise of the talent quest reality TV show. Shows like Australian Idol or The Voice are almost entirely based around cover songs. Somewhere around the world right now, a mass audience is probably watching some dickhead cover some U2 song.

And all of this necessarily devalues the cover song. If pretty much anyone can sing a cover on TV and get famous — that Idol contestant William Hung actually still exists — the cover really isn’t that special. Other than reality TV show, the other place viewers would see covers on TV was the all-singing all-dancing Glee, which saw covers as kitsch. The dagginess of Glee was definitely part of its appeal but, well, dagginess is something of a commercial kiss of death for wannabe popstars.

The other big thing to blame for the commercial death of the cover is, of course, the internet. Covers might be a rarity at the top of the charts, but the internet is positively drowning in videos of amateur appropriations. I mean, half the people reading this have probably sung sweetly while plunking away on a ukulele and uploaded it to YouTube. And the likes of American duo Pomplamoose or Scott Bradlee’s Postmodern Jukebox have made careers out of well-produced internet covers, without unduly troubling the charts.


The internet also means that a particular cover can never be the dominant version of the song. I was not even aware in 1994 that Cut’n’Move’s ‘Give It Up’ was a cover — there was no Wikipedia back then to tell me that it was originally by KC & The Sunshine Band. In 1994, a cover song could just be a song. And unless you were a big fan of KC & The Sunshine Band, your vague recollection of what the original ‘Give It Up’ sounded like probably didn’t have much effect on what you thought of the cover.

But these days, listening to Lesley Gore’s version is easy. And, as a result, it’s also pretty easy to figure out that Grace isn’t a patch on Lesley Gore. Grace is a talented young singer, but on ‘You Don’t Own Me’, she does sound fairly anonymous.

junkee.com/number-ones-you-dont-own-me-and-the-history-of-the-cover-song-on-australian-charts/57848

Basically cover songs are now synonymous with karaoke.

[rickroller]

I guess "Shape Of You" is finally not here this time?

[Juanca]

In terms of latest cover hits, was the last top 5 the latest cover of We Are The World?

In the 2000s we also had a brief period of covers but primarily of different versions of older hits, like Listen to your heart, Heaven, Boys of Summer (both rock and dance), Time after time, My Prerogative, Behind Blue eyes. Nothing earth shattering but at least they made the pop charts...

[iHype.]

All this Drake slayage reminds me that hopefully he gets Artist of the Year this time on the year-end!

Pretty unfair how he lost it in 2016, with Adele's 8 million sales in 2015 counting for the 2016 year despite Views doing 2x more units than any other album in the *actual* 2016 calendar year. Adele deserved it 2015, with Drake deserving it in 2016.

[pnobelysk]

Every time we touch was a pretty big hit but also a super weird case because the chorus was a cover but not the verses. Wasn’t really sampling though