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Post by annoymous1 on Mar 5, 2018 18:02:29 GMT -5
GP Still at Number 1? Yikes!!!...Outside of Psycho I dont see any song being competition for GP The Middle ? NBTS? Meant to be ? Finesse is getting cockblocked 😕 by GP and Psycho so that isn't gonna do anything . A release or something big has to happen to dethrone that Snoozefest that is GP.
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Post by Mayman on Mar 5, 2018 18:15:32 GMT -5
^ What did you expect? It’s a streaming monster!
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Mar 5, 2018 18:30:02 GMT -5
515 million streams in 6 weeks. What's the wrong with this world? What is so special about this song? I mean, it's not even catchy as Work and Hotline Bling.
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Post by Gary on Mar 5, 2018 18:33:58 GMT -5
I will bet it is not 515 million people either , I bet it is a much smaller number putting the song on 'repeat'
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Mar 5, 2018 18:58:45 GMT -5
I will be it is not 515 million people either , I bet it is a much smaller number putting the song on 'repeat' Yeah, that's the point..streaming sucks because of 50.000 people repeating that song over and over again. I would understand if 515 million people actually likes this song. |
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Mar 5, 2018 19:24:11 GMT -5
I didn't know that Justin Timberlake and Chris Stapleton's song was titled Wolves, I thought it was Say Something. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Mar 5, 2018 19:29:13 GMT -5
I didn't know that Justin Timberlake and Chris Stapleton's song was titled Wolves, I thought it was Say Something. fuck |
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Mar 5, 2018 19:29:19 GMT -5
This post says that @statemusix was the most happiest one here to see that Shape of You is out. Speaking of Shape of You, what an absolute run it had! Wish it stayed this week so it became a 60-week, but oh well. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Mar 5, 2018 19:44:06 GMT -5
I will be it is not 515 million people either , I bet it is a much smaller number putting the song on 'repeat' Yeah, that's the point..streaming sucks because of 50.000 people repeating that song over and over again. I would understand if 515 million people actually likes this song. I mean, you could consider the fact that those people are playing those songs over and over again indicates that they do like those songs. |
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Post by renfield75 on Mar 5, 2018 19:44:47 GMT -5
Not a big Ed Sheeran fan, but sad to see one of the hottest songs in America right now not being represented on the chart. Looking forward to Billboard hopefully correcting this problem soon. The 20/50 rule has been in place for over 25 years, so I don't see the 25/52 rule going anywhere anytime soon. Especially as streaming continues to slow down the chart. |
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Mar 5, 2018 19:48:12 GMT -5
Imagine Dragons - Whatever It Takes (#60-#43 - up 17 spots)
Kane Brown - Heaven (#54-#44 - up 10 spots)
Marshmello & Anne-Marie - Friends (#60-#58 - up 2 spots)
Dua Lipa - IDGAF (#96-#78 - up 18 spots)
Lauv - I Like Me Better (#90-#88 - up 2 spots)
Source: Billboard Chart History
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Post by maine on Mar 5, 2018 19:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Mar 5, 2018 20:23:42 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the point..streaming sucks because of 50.000 people repeating that song over and over again. I would understand if 515 million people actually likes this song. I mean, you could consider the fact that those people are playing those songs over and over again indicates that they do like those songs. I know, I'm just wondering why is this song worth of 515 million streams in 6 weeks, I mean..we are talking about potential #1 song of the year and maybe even this decade. Even Drake have at least 10 better and catchier songs, but hey, there is no need to discuss the tastes. |
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Mar 5, 2018 20:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 5, 2018 21:03:38 GMT -5
I don't know if the data exists or not, but there would be no point in Billboard doing it so they'd have to sell the data off or something. "Don't Speak" would not have been #1. It traded off at #1 on Hot 100 Airplay with "Un-break My Heart" so airplay was close between them. "U-BMH" then had the addition of strong sales, so "Don't Speak" would not have been #1 even if it had been allowed to chart. It would have also competed with "Wannabe" for #1, which had big sales and top 10 airplay. My guess is it wouldn't have even been top 2 or 3 since a lot of songs still had commercial singles at that point. It took about a year and a half from the rule change for "Try Again" to become the first airplay-only #1, right? Don't Speak may not have been with airplay only, but given that we don't know how much it would have sold in any given tracking week if it had been available, I wouldn't say yes or no with any certainty. But that's irrelevant. The question I replied to was about whether redoing the Hot 100 to include airplay-only songs would have made a difference in some #1s. My point is that ":DS" wouldn't have been #1 if it was allowed to chart at that time. That is a different discussion than whether it would have been #1 with a commercial single of some kind. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 5, 2018 21:12:40 GMT -5
The irony being that no singles (being forced to buy album) had two direct impacts: 1) pirating and 2) reduced record store visit frequency. I remember when people would go in weekly or every other week to pick up latest singles (and inevitably albums). From what I recall, deleting singles really took off when Columbia stopped producing I'll Be There as soon as it hit #1 in order to boost sales of Unplugged. It must've worked because it wasn't long before single quantities became limited and eventually major songs just skipped the release altogether. The first big song I remember being conspicuously absent from the Hot 100 was, believe it or not, the Simpsons' "Do The Bartman" at the end of 1990. It was all over radio and MTV but I couldn't figure out why it wasn't in the Top 40. After I learned about the single availability rule, I saw it happen again a few months later with Janet Jackson's "State Of The World". Then Madonna's "Rescue Me" had a freakishly high (for the time) Hot 100 debut (#15) once the single was released after weeks of suppression. The following year the Mariah/"I'll Be There" situation happened and then we were off and running with the craziness that was the 90s Hot 100. Wasn't "I'll Be There" in part about the label not being prepared for it to be a single? There were no plans for it to be a single but demand led to it. I mean that separate form the point you were making. I know it was a limited single, which hurts its Hot 100 run but helped sales of the album. The first big song I remember being conspicuously absent from the Hot 100 was, believe it or not, the Simpsons' "Do The Bartman" at the end of 1990. It was all over radio and MTV but I couldn't figure out why it wasn't in the Top 40. After I learned about the single availability rule, I saw it happen again a few months later with Janet Jackson's "State Of The World". Then Madonna's "Rescue Me" had a freakishly high (for the time) Hot 100 debut (#15) once the single was released after weeks of suppression. The following year the Mariah/"I'll Be There" situation happened and then we were off and running with the craziness that was the 90s Hot 100. Go back further into the 80s - signs of things to come Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming - Jermaine & Michael Into The Groove - Madonna Edge of A Broken Heart - Bon Jovi All big hits Well "Into the Groove" was a b-side to "Angel" so a bit different than a song with no commercial single. The Bon Jovi song barely made the top 40 in airplay so not too big a hit., |
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 5, 2018 21:22:15 GMT -5
GP Still at Number 1? Yikes!!!...Outside of Psycho I dont see any song being competition for GP The Middle ? NBTS? Meant to be ? Finesse is getting cockblocked 😕 by GP and Psycho so that isn't gonna do anything . A release or something big has to happen to dethrone that Snoozefest that is GP. "Finesse" still hasn't even passed "Perfect" so not sure how it's getting cockblocked by "GP" and "Psycho." It wouldn't be a #1 regardless. I will be it is not 515 million people either , I bet it is a much smaller number putting the song on 'repeat' Yeah, that's the point..streaming sucks because of 50.000 people repeating that song over and over again. I would understand if 515 million people actually likes this song. I wanna see the receipts; please tell me how you know it's just 50,000 people. Regardless considering almost no singles are selling even 50,000 downloads/people I don't see why a different measure is any better an indication than streaming. And "GP" has been selling better than the other songs contending for #1 regardless so... |
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Post by Gary on Mar 5, 2018 21:25:53 GMT -5
The first big song I remember being conspicuously absent from the Hot 100 was, believe it or not, the Simpsons' "Do The Bartman" at the end of 1990. It was all over radio and MTV but I couldn't figure out why it wasn't in the Top 40. After I learned about the single availability rule, I saw it happen again a few months later with Janet Jackson's "State Of The World". Then Madonna's "Rescue Me" had a freakishly high (for the time) Hot 100 debut (#15) once the single was released after weeks of suppression. The following year the Mariah/"I'll Be There" situation happened and then we were off and running with the craziness that was the 90s Hot 100. Wasn't "I'll Be There" in part about the label not being prepared for it to be a single? There were no plans for it to be a single but demand led to it. I mean that separate form the point you were making. I know it was a limited single, which hurts its Hot 100 run but helped sales of the album. Go back further into the 80s - signs of things to come Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming - Jermaine & Michael Into The Groove - Madonna Edge of A Broken Heart - Bon Jovi All big hits Well "Into the Groove" was a b-side to "Angel" so a bit different than a song with no commercial single. The Bon Jovi song barely made the top 40 in airplay so not too big a hit., "big" is a subjective term, would it have been a bigger hit with the exposure of a single -- maybe, maybe not Into The Groove charted as a 12" dance single because a regular commercial single was not available- so no Hot 100 position - so yeah, belongs in that category Never Say Goodbye (also Bon Jovi) - also a big hit The word "hit" has been subject of threads here before. The word "big" could be too, anyway, not the point As I said in the first post - a sign of things to come in the 90s |
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Post by thelegends on Mar 5, 2018 21:47:47 GMT -5
Booty at #81.
WE MADE IT. TOOT TOOT TWERK.
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Post by garrettlen on Mar 5, 2018 22:04:39 GMT -5
Just watched the official Billboard's top 10 video on YouTube, and the comments are flooded by some ARMY saying, "Where's Daydream?" and I'm like, "What the hell is Daydream?" Probably The Lovin' Spoonful fans. (Spoonies, as they call themselves). That fanbase can be really over the top. No lie, the first thing I thought of when I heard "Daydream" was the Lovin' Spoonful song as well. LOL Damn I'm old. |
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Post by garrettlen on Mar 5, 2018 22:11:49 GMT -5
For those who missed: I still need the help, lol. I took your quiz and enjoyed it (got 8 out of 8). |
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Post by Suono on Mar 5, 2018 22:51:07 GMT -5
So NF will be the first CHR #1 to miss the Hot 100 Top 10 since Niall's Slow Hands?
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Mar 5, 2018 22:53:34 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the point..streaming sucks because of 50.000 people repeating that song over and over again. I would understand if 515 million people actually likes this song. I wanna see the receipts; please tell me how you know it's just 50,000 people. Regardless considering almost no singles are selling even 50,000 downloads/people I don't see why a different measure is any better an indication than streaming. And "GP" has been selling better than the other songs contending for #1 regardless so... Streaming makes chart less interesting, with these insane numbers God's Plan will be #1 in June. Also, If streaming chart existed before, Rebecca Black would have a #1 song and I don't think people listened to that song because they loved it. Generally, with THIS amount of streaming in Billboard charts, there's more songs in the top 10 that people dislike or don't even know. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Mar 5, 2018 23:28:04 GMT -5
Streaming is what allows album cuts and non-traditional artists to debut. The most interesting chart anomalies are all from streaming heavy music these days. (Although, there are a few fun iTunes based anomalies as well).
Rebecca Black would not have gone #1.
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Post by TakeMe on Mar 5, 2018 23:44:23 GMT -5
Lol remember when some people thought Finesse would hit number one.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Mar 6, 2018 0:05:36 GMT -5
Streaming is what allows album cuts and non-traditional artists to debut. The most interesting chart anomalies are all from streaming heavy music these days. (Although, there are a few fun iTunes based anomalies as well). Rebecca Black would not have gone #1. Well, personally, I don't find interesting when 20 songs by Drake debut on chart..yeah, it's historic, rare and iconic but at the same time really boring. Top 3, 5, 10...whatever, Friday don't deserve even top 2000. |
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Post by annoymous1 on Mar 6, 2018 0:22:19 GMT -5
Lol remember when some people thought Finesse would hit number one. I thought it would hit number 1 oh well at least it's number 1 on radio . |
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Post by chartslovergermany on Mar 6, 2018 1:03:25 GMT -5
515 million streams in 6 weeks. What's the wrong with this world? What is so special about this song? I mean, it's not even catchy as Work and Hotline Bling. haha Work was a nice song😂i think it was 9weeks at number 1 and blocked 7years by lukas graham😂.That was funny too because many people were angry about that |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Mar 6, 2018 1:12:32 GMT -5
6ix9ine is too street for the Top 10. Lol what the fuck |
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Post by 85la on Mar 6, 2018 1:22:47 GMT -5
For anyone who has or could get access to the data Billboard used to compile the Hot 100 in the 90s, it would be fairly easy for them to recompile the charts to see what they would look like if airplay only singles could chart. Assuming the formula would be the same, they would just take the airplay numbers for songs from Hot 100 Airplay that weren't on the main Hot 100 for each week, convert them into Hot 100 points, and insert them into the Hot 100 and it would just push down any airply-and-physical-sale singles that would rank lower than it. For sure there is a software program that could even automate this.
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