Billboard Hot 100: 3/10/2018

[Normi]

God's Plan is pretty non-exciting
Why is it #1 again? I really do not get it

Rihanna can gladly drop something thanks

[Deleted]

Mar 5, 2018 19:29:19 GMT -5 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 said:

Mar 5, 2018 17:44:06 GMT -5 @statemusix said:

This post says that @statemusix was the most happiest one here to see that Shape of You is out. Speaking of Shape of You, what an absolute run it had! Wish it stayed this week so it became a 60-week, but oh well.

did you just quote and tag me at the same time

[mako]

Official chart out:

2. Psycho (NEW)
11. The Middle (+2)
16. Gummo (+9) mixtape boost
22. 44 More (NEW)
24. Never Be The Same (+4)
25. Wolves (+4)
36. Ric Flair Drip (+4)
38. You Make It Easy (+4)
42. New Freezer (+4)
43. Whatever It Takes (+17)
44. Heaven (+10)
48. Good Old Days (+3)
49. Broken Halos (+4)
50. Dura (+7)
54. Pick It Up (+7)
55. Plug Walk (+14)
60. Billy (NEW)
61. Want You Back (NEW)
62. Nowadays (+11)
63. Keke (+19)
67. Hardaway (+7)
68. Singles You Up (+9)
71. Candy Paint (+13)
73. Rondo (NEW)
78. IDGAF (+18)
81. Booty (NEW)
82. Dark Knight Dummo (RE)
85. Rubbin Off The Paint (+12)
89. Kooda (RE)
99. Make Me Feel (NEW)

Wonder how many weeks can Shape Of You accumulate in recurrent songs

[Deleted]

Oh god Booty debuted?

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

Mar 6, 2018 6:03:53 GMT -5 mako said:

Official chart out:

2. Psycho (NEW)
11. The Middle (+2)
16. Gummo (+9) mixtape boost
22. 44 More (NEW)
24. Never Be The Same (+4)
25. Wolves (+4)
36. Ric Flair Drip (+4)
38. You Make It Easy (+4)
42. New Freezer (+4)
43. Whatever It Takes (+17) (IT'S COMING  )
44. Heaven (+10)
48. Good Old Days (+3)
49. Broken Halos (+4)
50. Dura (+7)
54. Pick It Up (+7)
55. Plug Walk (+14)
60. Billy (NEW)
61. Want You Back (NEW)
62. Nowadays (+11)
63. Keke (+19)
67. Hardaway (+7)
68. Singles You Up (+9)
71. Candy Paint (+13)
73. Rondo (NEW)
78. IDGAF (+18)
81. Booty (NEW)
82. Dark Knight Dummo (RE)
85. Rubbin Off The Paint (+12)
89. Kooda (RE)
99. Make Me Feel (NEW)

Wonder how many weeks can Shape Of You accumulate in recurrent songs

I Like Me Better and Friends both rose up this week.

[renaboss]

www.billboard.com/biz/charts/hot-singles-recurrents

So, I have to subscribe to Billboard in order to see the recurrent chart? Is that it?

[Deleted]

Only relevant things this week imo

Make Me Feel debuted &,IDGAF made a rocket leap forward

God does exist if Janelle got to make a debut

[Deleted]

Mar 6, 2018 6:50:30 GMT -5 renaboss said:

www.billboard.com/biz/charts/hot-singles-recurrents

So, I have to subscribe to Billboard in order to see the recurrent chart? Is that it?

yep. real chart geeks must pay for their addiction.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 5, 2018 22:53:34 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Mar 5, 2018 21:22:15 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I wanna see the receipts; please tell me how you know it's just 50,000 people. Regardless considering almost no singles are selling even 50,000 downloads/people I don't see why a different measure is any better an indication than streaming. And "GP" has been selling better than the other songs contending for #1 regardless so...

Streaming makes chart less interesting, with these insane numbers God's Plan will be #1 in June.

Also, If streaming chart existed before, Rebecca Black would have a #1 song and I don't think people listened to that song because they loved it. Generally, with THIS amount of streaming in Billboard charts, there's more songs in the top 10 that people dislike or don't even know.

Define "people."

[Deleted]

I just don't think many of us have adjusted to the streaming era and how it has influenced the Hot 100. I know I haven't entirely adjusted. I still see many songs charting every week that I only know by title and artist and may never hear unless I make myself listen to everything.

Point being, I'm used to big familiar radio hits and big sellers topping the charts. There's this whole other large and growing segment of the population now that consumes their own music on demand, who don't listen to the radio or pay for downloads. There's a whole social media/youtube/meme culture (that I'm barely a part of) that is a source of music for many.  It's clearly massive and youth of today are consuming their music like crazy - it's just me that isn't as connected as I once was.

I really like how streaming shows us what people want to listen to in a way that radio definitely doesn't, and sales did but on a one-time-only, limited data kind of way.  

I recognize that I'm not pop's target demo anymore, so my feelings on - and/or disinterest in - the songs doesn't matter. It's just me coming to grips with how much time has gone by and how much has changed... and how out of the loop I've become relative to 5-10-25 years ago.

[renaboss]

Mar 6, 2018 8:52:11 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mar 5, 2018 22:53:34 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Streaming makes chart less interesting, with these insane numbers God's Plan will be #1 in June.

Also, If streaming chart existed before, Rebecca Black would have a #1 song and I don't think people listened to that song because they loved it. Generally, with THIS amount of streaming in Billboard charts, there's more songs in the top 10 that people dislike or don't even know.

Define "people."

Allow me. The general people, on a global scale. People who don't actually keep up with the charts and only know music from being exposed to it on the radio, on TV, etc. People like my parents, or even my college classmates, who hear about these songs firsthand from me, when they make the top 10, and only then go check them out on purpose (oftentimes to be as disappointed as I am). People who aren't in middle and high school , the ones that push these songs to the top solely based on what artist is arbitrarily still relevant or what meme/viral video is hot right now, regardless of the quality or originality of the song. As I've said already, we are letting kids dictate what is popular, and kids have the worst, least diverse and least comprehensive taste in music, not to mention the most discriminating (regarding genre, gender, age, etc.). These songs can barely be considered hits because barely anyone knows them - again, just the kids. And ourselves. 

[Caviar]

Mar 6, 2018 9:22:06 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Mar 6, 2018 8:52:11 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Define "people."

Allow me. The general people, on a global scale. People who don't actually keep up with the charts and only know music from being exposed to it on the radio, on TV, etc.

Did you take a survey?

[areyoureadytojump]

3/10 Billboard Hot 100

TW LW 2W WOC Title Artist Imprint | label

1 1 1 6 God's Plan - Drake - Young Money/Cash Money | Republic
2 Hot Shot Debut 1 Psycho - Post Malone Featuring Ty Dolla $ign - Republic
3 2 2 27 Perfect - Ed Sheeran - Atlantic
4 3 3 9 Finesse - Bruno Mars & Cardi B - Atlantic
5 4 4 29 Havana - Camila Cabello Featuring Young Thug - SYCO | Epic
6 5 6 3 Look Alive - BlocBoy JB Featuring Drake - OVO Sound | Warner Bros.
7 8 7 19 Meant To Be - Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line - Warner Bros. | BMLG
8 6 5 24 Rockstar - Post Malone Featuring 21 Savage - Republic
9 9 11 4 Pray For Me - The Weeknd & Kendrick Lamar - Top Dawg/Aftermath/Republic | Interscope
10 7 9 8 All The Stars - Kendrick Lamar & SZA - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
11 13 17 5 The Middle - Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey - Interscope
12 10 10 10 Stir Fry - Migos - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
13 12 12 20 Let You Down - NF - NF Real Music/Capitol | Caroline
14 11 8 31 New Rules - Dua Lipa - Warner Bros.
15 14 14 13 Him & I - G-Eazy & Halsey - G-Eazy/RVG/BPG | RCA
16 25 28 16 Gummo - 6ix9ine - ScumGang | TenThousand Projects
17 16 15 44 Thunder - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
18 19 19 23 I Fall Apart - Post Malone - Republic
19 15 13 36 Love. - Kendrick Lamar Featuring Zacari - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
20 18 22 6 Mine - Bazzi - ZZZ | Atlantic
21 17 16 26 Bad At Love - Halsey - Astralwerks | Capitol
22 New 1 44 More - Logic - Visionary | Def Jam
23 20 27 21 Lights Down Low - MAX Featuring gnash - DCD2/Crush Music | RED
24 28 29 11 Never Be The Same - Camila Cabello - SYCO | Epic
25 29 26 19 Wolves - Selena Gomez X Marshmello - Interscope

26 26 23 10 Bartier Cardi - Cardi B Featuring 21 Savage - The KSR Group | Atlantic
27 21 21 21 How Long - Charlie Puth - OTTO | Atlantic
28 23 38 7 King's Dead - Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
29 30 31 5 Say Something - Justin Timberlake Featuring Chris Stapleton - RCA
30 22 18 18 MotorSport - Migos, Nicki Minaj & Cardi B - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
31 27 20 25 No Limit - G-Eazy Featuring A$AP Rocky & Cardi B - G-Eazy/RVG/BPG | RCA
32 32 30 37 Feel It Still - Portugal. The Man - Atlantic
33 31 32 33 Young Dumb & Broke - Khalid - Right Hand | RCA
34 36 36 13 Marry Me - Thomas Rhett - Valory
35 35 37 7 Outside Today - YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Never Broke Again | Atlantic
36 40 41 18 Ric Flair Drip - Offset & Metro Boomin - Boominati/Quality Control/Motown/Slaughter Gang | Republic/Capitol/Epic
37 37 33 23 Sky Walker - Miguel Featuring Travis Scott - ByStorm | RCA
38 42 47 5 You Make It Easy - Jason Aldean - Macon | Broken Bow
39 39 43 7 Wait - Maroon 5 - 222 | Interscope
40 33 25 35 Bodak Yellow (Money Moves) - Cardi B - The KSR Group | Atlantic
41 38 34 23 Plain Jane - A$AP Ferg Featuring Nicki Minaj - A$AP Worldwide/Polo Grounds | RCA
42 46 53 5 New Freezer - Rich The Kid Featuring Kendrick Lamar - Rich Forever | Interscope
43 60 75 5 Whatever It Takes - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
44 54 57 10 Heaven - Kane Brown - Zone 4 | RCA Nashville
45 41 40 34 Sorry Not Sorry - Demi Lovato - Hollywood/Safehouse/Island | Republic
46 34 35 11 River - Eminem Featuring Ed Sheeran - Web/Shady/Aftermath | Interscope
47 44 51 13 Five More Minutes - Scotty McCreery - Triple Tigers
48 51 54 19 Good Old Days - Macklemore Featuring Kesha - Bendo | ADA/Warner Bros.
49 53 59 14 Broken Halos - Chris Stapleton - Mercury Nashville
50 57 61 4 Dura - Daddy Yankee - El Cartel | UMLE

51 48 46 17 Lemon - N*E*R*D & Rihanna - N.E.R.D/i am OTHER | Columbia
52 56 56 5 El Farsante - Ozuna & Romeo Santos - VP Entertainment | Sony Music Latin
53 52 52 5 Walk It Talk It - Migos Featuring Drake - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
54 61 60 16 Pick It Up - Famous Dex Featuring A$AP Rocky - Rich Forever | 300
55 69 62 3 Plug Walk - Rich The Kid - Rich Forever | Interscope
56 58 72 3 Friends - Marshmello & Anne-Marie - Joytime Collective/Asylum | Warner Bros.
57 63 82 5 Most People Are Good - Luke Bryan - Capitol Nashville
58 43 – 2 Love Lies - Khalid & Normani - RCA
59 59 55 15 Written In The Sand - Old Dominion - RCA Nashville
60 New 1 Billy - 6ix9ine - ScumGang | TenThousand Projects
61 New 1 Want You Back - 5 Seconds Of Summer - One Mode | Capitol
62 73 70 8 Nowadays - Lil Skies Featuring Landon Cube - All We Got | Atlantic
63 82 77 7 Keke - 6ix9ine, Fetty Wap & A Boogie Wit da Hoodie - ScumGang | TenThousand Projects
64 55 49 3 X - ScHoolboy Q, 2 Chainz & Saudi - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
65 62 58 5 Narcos - Migos - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
66 66 69 16 Betrayed - Lil Xan - Columbia
67 75 85 4 Hardaway - Derez De'Shon - Derez De'Shon/Commission | BMG
68 77 89 4 Singles You Up - Jordan Davis - MCA Nashville
69 70 73 14 All On Me - Devin Dawson - Atlantic | WEA
70 74 78 13 No Smoke - YoungBoy Never Broke Again - Never Broke Again | Atlantic
71 84 84 19 Candy Paint - Post Malone - Artist Partners Group/Atlantic/Republic | RRP
72 67 64 20 Yours - Russell Dickerson - Triple Tigers
73 New 1 Rondo - 6ix9ine Featuring Tory Lanez & Young Thug - ScumGang | TenThousand Projects
74 64 66 19 You Broke Up With Me - Walker Hayes - Monument | Arista Nashville
75 80 94 4 The Long Way - Brett Eldredge - Atlantic | WMN

76 65 67 3 Paramedic! - SOB X RBE - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
77 78 81 8 Red Roses - Lil Skies Featuring Landon Cube - All We Got | Atlantic
78 96 99 7 IDGAF - Dua Lipa - Warner Bros.
79 76 79 15 Echame La Culpa - Luis Fonsi & Demi Lovato - Safehouse/Island/Universal Music Latino | Republic/UMLE
80 72 86 10 La Modelo - Ozuna x Cardi B - VP Entertainment | Sony Music Latin
81 New 1 Booty - Blac Youngsta - Cocaine Muzik/Heavy Camp | Epic
82 Re-Entry 3 Dark Knight Dummo - Trippie Redd Featuring Travis Scott - EG
83 81 88 10 Beautiful Trauma - P!nk - RCA
84 71 80 14 Tell Me You Love Me - Demi Lovato - Hollywood/Safehouse/Island | Republic
85 97 – 15 Rubbin Off The Paint - YBN Nahmir - YBN/MMMG | Atlantic
86 86 92 4 At The Club - Jacquees X Dej Loaf - Cash Money | Republic
87 85 83 9 This Is Me - Keala Settle & The Greatest Showman Ensemble - Fox/20th Century Fox | Atlantic
88 90 96 3 I Like Me Better - Lauv - Lauv | Kobalt
89 Re-Entry 9 Kooda - 6ix9ine - ScumGang | TenThousand Projects
90 68 63 3 The Ways - Khalid & Swae Lee - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
91 79 97 9 When We - Tank - R&B Money | Atlantic
92 88 74 5 Notice Me - Migos Featuring Post Malone - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
93 94 – 8 Corazon - Maluma X Nego do Borel - Sony Music Latin
94 93 – 2 Get You - Daniel Caesar Featuring Kali Uchis - Golden Child
95 89 93 14 Codeine Dreaming - Kodak Black Featuring Lil Wayne - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
96 New 1 She's With Me - High Valley - Atlantic | WEA
97 100 – 18 Mayores - Becky G Featuring Bad Bunny - Kemosabe/RCA | Sony Music Latin
98 New 1 Break Up In The End - Cole Swindell - Warner Bros. Nashville | WMN
99 New 1 Make Me Feel - Janelle Monae - Wondaland/Bad Boy | Atlantic
100 95 95 5 Rock - Plies - Plies

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Mar 6, 2018 9:22:06 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Mar 6, 2018 8:52:11 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Define "people."

Allow me. The general people, on a global scale. People who don't actually keep up with the charts and only know music from being exposed to it on the radio, on TV, etc. People like my parents, or even my college classmates, who hear about these songs firsthand from me, when they make the top 10, and only then go check them out on purpose (oftentimes to be as disappointed as I am). People who aren't in middle and high school , the ones that push these songs to the top solely based on what artist is arbitrarily still relevant or what meme/viral video is hot right now, regardless of the quality or originality of the song. As I've said already, we are letting kids dictate what is popular, and kids have the worst, least diverse and least comprehensive taste in music, not to mention the most discriminating (regarding genre, gender, age, etc.). These songs can barely be considered hits because barely anyone knows them - again, just the kids. And ourselves. 

Don't you think the pop charts have always reflected what the kids like?  I do.   From Elvis and the Beatles to Drake and Taylor Swift, it's the kids that determine the hit/pop music of any generation. Adults play a role to varying degrees, increasingly less and less with age for most.  Our appetites for music change and usually don't increase with age, either.

The styles of music topping the charts constantly changes, and some trends stick around longer than others.  There happens to be a very big urban trend that is a different sound and vibe than i'm used to, so it could easily make me feel disconnected, and it often does.  But that's me and my experience only.  I'm sure it's always been this way for many, though, especially with age.  "What are you kids listening to!?!?!" is a pretty standard thing for most parents to feel about their kids' music tastes.  And those are usually the songs topping the charts.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 6, 2018 9:22:06 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Mar 6, 2018 8:52:11 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Define "people."

Allow me. The general people, on a global scale. People who don't actually keep up with the charts and only know music from being exposed to it on the radio, on TV, etc. People like my parents, or even my college classmates, who hear about these songs firsthand from me, when they make the top 10, and only then go check them out on purpose (oftentimes to be as disappointed as I am). People who aren't in middle and high school , the ones that push these songs to the top solely based on what artist is arbitrarily still relevant or what meme/viral video is hot right now, regardless of the quality or originality of the song. As I've said already, we are letting kids dictate what is popular, and kids have the worst, least diverse and least comprehensive taste in music, not to mention the most discriminating (regarding genre, gender, age, etc.). These songs can barely be considered hits because barely anyone knows them - again, just the kids. And ourselves. 

I just think you are defining "people" through your own view. @mello has made some good points and more so seems willing to concede it might just be that his/her tastes aren't as mainstream as they used to be.

More so, can you give me statistics on how many people stream versus listen to the radio versus purchase music? As in, can you prove that "general people" are not streaming?

[jenglisbe]

It's amazing that "Sky Walker" has been on the charts for 23 weeks now without ever getting above #29.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Mar 6, 2018 9:41:20 GMT -5 @mello said:

Don't you think the pop charts have always reflected what the kids like?  I do.   From Elvis and the Beatles to Drake and Taylor Swift, it's the kids that determine the hit/pop music of any generation. Adults play a role to varying degrees, increasingly less and less with age for most.  Our appetites for music change and usually don't increase with age, either.

The styles of music topping the charts constantly changes, and some trends stick around longer than others.  There happens to be a very big urban trend that is a different sound and vibe than i'm used to, so it could easily make me feel disconnected, and it often does.  But that's me and my experience only.  I'm sure it's always been this way for many, though, especially with age.  "What are you kids listening to!?!?!" is a pretty standard thing for most parents to feel about their kids' music tastes.  And those are usually the songs topping the charts.

Yeah, but the point is that because of the streaming every other song spends 20+ weeks in top 10, every other #1 spends 8+ weeks at #1, top 3 is the same for 3/4 months...in January we know which song will be the #1 song of the year. It's not interesting for me, maybe it is interesting for the others.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 6, 2018 10:13:39 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Mar 6, 2018 9:41:20 GMT -5 @mello said:

Don't you think the pop charts have always reflected what the kids like?  I do.   From Elvis and the Beatles to Drake and Taylor Swift, it's the kids that determine the hit/pop music of any generation. Adults play a role to varying degrees, increasingly less and less with age for most.  Our appetites for music change and usually don't increase with age, either.

The styles of music topping the charts constantly changes, and some trends stick around longer than others.  There happens to be a very big urban trend that is a different sound and vibe than i'm used to, so it could easily make me feel disconnected, and it often does.  But that's me and my experience only.  I'm sure it's always been this way for many, though, especially with age.  "What are you kids listening to!?!?!" is a pretty standard thing for most parents to feel about their kids' music tastes.  And those are usually the songs topping the charts.

Yeah, but the point is that because of the streaming every other song spends 20+ weeks in top 10, every other #1 spends 8+ weeks at #1, top 3 is the same for 3/4 months...in January we know which song will be the #1 song of the year. It's not interesting for me, maybe it is interesting for the others.

No, that isn't the point. Or more so, that is one point you made, but it isn't the point people were addressing.

In my first reply to you I responded to you writing "there's more songs in the top 10 that people dislike or don't even know." When Caviar then responded to you, he/she responded to your definition of "people." @mello then had a reply about young people dictacting what's popular. In other words, none of those replies were about whether or not the chart is interesting.

As a matter of fact, I agree with you that the charts aren't as interesting to me now. I don't like songs hanging around forever, the same songs clogging the top for months. I pay less attention now to the charts than ever. BUT that is different from whether or not I can recognize that streaming is the best current measure for what "people" are listening to. I do think streaming should be the main component of the charts, even if I don't like the result.

[badrobot]

I wonder if it would be possible to slice the Hot 100 by “intensity” and “reach” — basically balancing “how many times was this song heard” with “how many people heard this song.”

So a song could get 50 million streams because 1 million people streamed it 50 times, or because 10 million people each heard it 5 times. For example, I am betting that when Adele released “Hello,” a lot more total people were listening to the song than “God’s Plan,” but they were probably not listening to it nearly as many times a day/week as GP is.

I think that what the Hot 100 is currently reflecting is that it’s easier for a song to rank very high while it still has a fairly small (but very intense) audience.

Us slightly older music fans are more used to the Hot 100 reflecting some sort of wide cultural impact with the mythical “general public.”

(Note I’m not saying the Hot 100 formula should be changed, I'm just curious if there is another angle at success that we could measure.)

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Mar 6, 2018 10:13:39 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Mar 6, 2018 9:41:20 GMT -5 @mello said:

Don't you think the pop charts have always reflected what the kids like?  I do.   From Elvis and the Beatles to Drake and Taylor Swift, it's the kids that determine the hit/pop music of any generation. Adults play a role to varying degrees, increasingly less and less with age for most.  Our appetites for music change and usually don't increase with age, either.

The styles of music topping the charts constantly changes, and some trends stick around longer than others.  There happens to be a very big urban trend that is a different sound and vibe than i'm used to, so it could easily make me feel disconnected, and it often does.  But that's me and my experience only.  I'm sure it's always been this way for many, though, especially with age.  "What are you kids listening to!?!?!" is a pretty standard thing for most parents to feel about their kids' music tastes.  And those are usually the songs topping the charts.

Yeah, but the point is that because of the streaming every other song spends 20+ weeks in top 10, every other #1 spends 8+ weeks at #1, top 3 is the same for 3/4 months...in January we know which song will be the #1 song of the year. It's not interesting for me, maybe it is interesting for the others.

It's not that I don't agree that songs are charting for far too long making it less interesting week to week - it's that I'm questioning what that actually means.  It's not something I'm used to or how it's been before, so it seems "wrong".  But is it?  Maybe it's just the reality of how we consume music being measured in a way it's never been before.  Like I said in my other post, it's a transitional phase we're in. It's easy to "blame" streaming, as it has caused a big shift (but really it's the listeners, trends, imo)... but in time, we see that things are what they are.  I can still enjoy observing the charts, even if I don't enjoy as much of the music or the length of time songs linger.

Listening to the music and watching the charts are two different things in my mind - two separate activities I enjoy that I'm realizing don't necessarily need to intersect. 

I get the impression that many of us on here are young and into certain artists and genres and rooting for them.  I've been there.  Me following/observing the charts now is a lot less about the music and what I personally like than it was when I was in my teens and 20s.  It's truly more observation of what's popular than it being about what I like and don't like or who slays your faves careers.

[Caviar]

Just move to the UK formula and reduce the streaming weight for each song over time. The "HOT" 100 needs to reflect current hits and not songs that were released 1000 years ago.

[Gary]

If there is enough interest each week that people stream the same songs over and over again, that is, for better or worse what is popular.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 6, 2018 10:39:40 GMT -5 @mello said:

Mar 6, 2018 10:13:39 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Yeah, but the point is that because of the streaming every other song spends 20+ weeks in top 10, every other #1 spends 8+ weeks at #1, top 3 is the same for 3/4 months...in January we know which song will be the #1 song of the year. It's not interesting for me, maybe it is interesting for the others.

It's not that I don't agree that songs are charting for far too long making it less interesting week to week - it's that I'm questioning what that actually means.  It's not something I'm used to or how it's been before, so it seems "wrong".  But is it?  Maybe it's just the reality of how we consume music being measured in a way it's never been before.  Like I said in my other post, it's a transitional phase we're in. It's easy to "blame" streaming, as it has caused a big shift (but really it's the listeners, trends, imo)... but in time, we see that things are what they are.  I can still enjoy observing the charts, even if I don't enjoy as much of the music or the length of time songs linger.

Listening to the music and watching the charts are two different things in my mind - two separate activities I enjoy that I'm realizing don't necessarily need to intersect. 

I love your ability to separate your personal feelings/thoughts from the larger patterns.

Also, I don't even know that it's a shift in trends/listeners as much as that we're just getting more accurate data. For a lot of my life I've been frustrated that radio has such slow turnover, but now I am seeing that people really do want to hear the same songs over and over and over (and over...). There are very few radio formats that move quickly, which is telling. And now with streaming we are seeing slow turnover as well. Sales are a measure of people purchasing music, which doesn't tell us much about what happens after they purchase (plus, once a lot of people have downloaded a song there are few people left to buy it so of course sales decline). With both radio and streaming it's a reflection of people listening to music. So, now that 2 of the 3 components reflect listening over purchase, of course we will see more longevity as that reflects the habits of "people." I don't think it's a new habit, it's just that technology now allows for a more accurate representation of habits.

Chart longevity has become more and more common because of changes with airplay, and now the addition of streaming:
1. In the early 90s when BDS was instituted, songs got more longevity because recurrent play was now counting. Previously airplay was based on radio station lists, and when songs went recurrent (which could still be when they were top 10) they were removed from playlists even if they got play. So, with BDS monitoring, songs stayed higher in airplay and stayed on the Hot 100 longer.
2. In the late 90s airplay from all chart formats began counting, and the commercial single had nearly disappeared, so airplay became the main component of the Hot 100, and all formats were represented which meant songs that crossed over to different formats were helped. So, between radio already showing longevity and now songs crossing over aiding longevity, we saw longer chart runs than ever.
3. Now we are in a time were radio is still a main component, but were streaming is as well. Streaming always rewards longevity, so with both airplay and streaming counting, songs will have longer chart runs than ever.

[Choco]

The UK charts are an interesting experiment, and it did allow cool stuff like Wild Thoughts and Feels getting #1 peaks... but I'm not sure it's the answer. God's Plan, and Post's singles are an anomaly, not the rule.

[Golden Bluebird]

Mar 6, 2018 11:04:49 GMT -5 Choco said:

The UK charts are an interesting experiment, and it did allow cool stuff like Wild Thoughts and Feels getting #1 peaks... but I'm not sure it's the answer. God's Plan, and Post's singles are an anomaly, not the rule.

I think I'd probably like the UK chart rules more if they extended the time for when the streaming ratio gets increased, which right now is more than 9 weeks after three consecutive weeks of sales decline. Maybe change it to 26 weeks or something.

[Gary]

With Shape Of You top 20 at radio but recurrent this week, thought I would post the Radio recurrent chart


Radio Songs Recurrent

This Week Last Week Two Weeks Ago Weeks Title, Artist Peak
1 1 1 11 #1 10 wks There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back , Shawn Mendes 1
2 0 New 1 Shape Of You , Ed Sheeran 2
3 2 2 8 What About Us , P!nk 2
4 3 3 15 Something Just Like This , The Chainsmokers & Coldplay 2
5 4 4 5 Attention , Charlie Puth 3
6 7 7 7 That's What I Like , Bruno Mars 5
7 6 6 4 Believer , Imagine Dragons 5
8 5 5 13 Slow Hands , Niall Horan 1
9 8 8 5 What Lovers Do , Maroon 5 Featuring SZA 7
10 11 9 3 Like I Loved You , Brett Young 9
11 9 10 19 Say You Won't Let Go , James Arthur 2
12 10 11 38 Can't Stop The Feeling! , Justin Timberlake 3
13 0 New 1 Let Me Go , Hailee Steinfeld & Alesso Featuring Florida Georgia Line & Watt 13
14 13 12 16 Body Like A Back Road , Sam Hunt 1
15 12 13 22 Stay , Zedd & Alessia Cara 1
16 14 15 5 Greatest Love Story , LANCO 12
17 17 17 31 Scars To Your Beautiful , Alessia Cara 1
18 16 18 19 Small Town Boy , Dustin Lynch 3
19 15 16 13 Strip That Down , Liam Payne Featuring Quavo 1
20 18 21 50 Cheap Thrills , Sia Featuring Sean Paul 1
21 19 20 15 What Ifs , Kane Brown Featuring Lauren Alaina 3
22 20 25 42 Treat You Better , Shawn Mendes 1
23 0 New 1 Too Good At Goodbyes , Sam Smith 23
24 22 22 11 Unforgettable , Thomas Rhett 4
25 24 – 42 Let Me Love You , DJ Snake Featuring Justin Bieber 1

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Mar 6, 2018 10:52:27 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mar 6, 2018 10:39:40 GMT -5 @mello said:

It's not that I don't agree that songs are charting for far too long making it less interesting week to week - it's that I'm questioning what that actually means.  It's not something I'm used to or how it's been before, so it seems "wrong".  But is it?  Maybe it's just the reality of how we consume music being measured in a way it's never been before.  Like I said in my other post, it's a transitional phase we're in. It's easy to "blame" streaming, as it has caused a big shift (but really it's the listeners, trends, imo)... but in time, we see that things are what they are.  I can still enjoy observing the charts, even if I don't enjoy as much of the music or the length of time songs linger.

Listening to the music and watching the charts are two different things in my mind - two separate activities I enjoy that I'm realizing don't necessarily need to intersect. 

I love your ability to separate your personal feelings/thoughts from the larger patterns.

Also, I don't even know that it's a shift in trends/listeners as much as that we're just getting more accurate data. For a lot of my life I've been frustrated that radio has such slow turnover, but now I am seeing that people really do want to hear the same songs over and over and over (and over...). There are very few radio formats that move quickly, which is telling. And now with streaming we are seeing slow turnover as well. Sales are a measure of people purchasing music, which doesn't tell us much about what happens after they purchase (plus, once a lot of people have downloaded a song there are few people left to buy it so of course sales decline). With both radio and streaming it's a reflection of people listening to music. So, now that 2 of the 3 components reflect listening over purchase, of course we will see more longevity as that reflects the habits of "people." I don't think it's a new habit, it's just that technology now allows for a more accurate representation of habits.

Chart longevity has become more and more common because of changes with airplay, and now the addition of streaming:
1. In the early 90s when BDS was instituted, songs got more longevity because recurrent play was now counting. Previously airplay was based on radio station lists, and when songs went recurrent (which could still be when they were top 10) they were removed from playlists even if they got play. So, with BDS monitoring, songs stayed higher in airplay and stayed on the Hot 100 longer.
2. In the late 90s airplay from all chart formats began counting, and the commercial single had nearly disappeared, so airplay became the main component of the Hot 100, and all formats were represented which meant songs that crossed over to different formats were helped. So, between radio already showing longevity and now songs crossing over aiding longevity, we saw longer chart runs than ever.
3. Now we are in a time were radio is still a main component, but were streaming is as well. Streaming always rewards longevity, so with both airplay and streaming counting, songs will have longer chart runs than ever.

Totally. I was going to mention the number of times things have changed over the years and their impact on the charts - and how the big hits have progressively longer chart lives the more advanced we get.  Thanks for laying it out so nicely.

It was going to help make the point that big changes like streaming actually do make it interesting in a big way, while also making it more static.  It's a matter of adjusting to the way things are now so I'm not fighting it week after week.  

And I would add that my point about trends and listeners is that they/we now have the option to listen to a song repeatedly all day and have every listen count for something that impacts the charts.  That's never been the case before, and I find it interesting to observe how it plays out.

[Choco]

Mar 6, 2018 11:19:06 GMT -5 @mello said:

And I would add that my point about trends and listeners is that they/we now have the option to listen to a song repeatedly all day and have every listen count for something that impacts the charts.  That's never been the case before, and I find it interesting to observe how it plays out.

Which seems more accurate in comparison to people that buy the song on iTunes and play it non stop for three weeks, yet it only counts as a single download on week 1.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 6, 2018 11:04:49 GMT -5 Choco said:

The UK charts are an interesting experiment, and it did allow cool stuff like Wild Thoughts and Feels getting #1 peaks... but I'm not sure it's the answer. God's Plan, and Post's singles are an anomaly, not the rule.

Eh but they were false #1s. "WT" wasn't #1 in any format right? The effect takes effect too quick there.

I wouldn't say "GP" and Post Malone are an anomaly. "Shape of You" hung around awhile in part because of streaming (YouTube especially?).

Mar 6, 2018 11:10:00 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

Mar 6, 2018 11:04:49 GMT -5 Choco said:

The UK charts are an interesting experiment, and it did allow cool stuff like Wild Thoughts and Feels getting #1 peaks... but I'm not sure it's the answer. God's Plan, and Post's singles are an anomaly, not the rule.

I think I'd probably like the UK chart rules more if they extended the time for when the streaming ratio gets increased, which right now is more than 9 weeks after three consecutive weeks of sales decline. Maybe change it to 26 weeks or something.

I agree. It's too short, but in a general sense it might be an ok rule.

I personally just prefer the U.S. rule of 52/25 (or however people write it). If a song is still popular enough to be that high I don't see why it should be punished just because some chart watchers are annoyed. But I also think songs that are on the decline but stabilize for awhile shouldn't just linger forever.

Mar 6, 2018 11:19:06 GMT -5 @mello said:

And I would add that my point about trends and listeners is that they/we now have the option to listen to a song repeatedly all day and have every listen count for something that impacts the charts.  That's never been the case before, and I find it interesting to observe how it plays out.

Right, that repeat listening can now impact the charts. But like I said in my other post, in a sense it was already happening with radio. I always sort of blamed radio programmers for the static playlists, but now I see it actually was reflecting listener habits more than I ever knew. So, even if not to the extent streaming does, we were seeing listener habits of repeat listening reflected.

[ddlz]

Mar 6, 2018 11:04:49 GMT -5 Choco said:

The UK charts are an interesting experiment, and it did allow cool stuff like Wild Thoughts and Feels getting #1 peaks... but I'm not sure it's the answer. God's Plan, and Post's singles are an anomaly, not the rule.

I remember when they allowed Wild Thoughts to top the chart despite Despacito being bigger in both sales and streams.

Calling it "interesting experiment" is giving it a way too much credit. Laughing stock is a more fitting description.