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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 17:21:50 GMT -5
Kate Gosselin did it first. Literally was going to write "she was the original Kate Gosselin"
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Post by leonagwen on May 14, 2018 17:34:49 GMT -5
Sometimes a legend is determined after an artist retires.Pink still has the potential to be a legend.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on May 14, 2018 17:37:36 GMT -5
Just because the biggest of big in terms of music are legends, doesn't mean someone not up to their level can't be? I guess Dua Lipa's a legend too following this logic.
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Post by when the pawn... on May 14, 2018 18:00:13 GMT -5
It does take time for the title to set in but I think Pink has been around long enough that she isn't. Maybe we wouldn't say it now but it is clear that Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj are either there or very close. Pink has been around longer than them all (except Beyonce if you count Destiny's Child) and I don't think it's happening. The lack of an iconic/ubiquitous song, no real defining style or influential album, etc.
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Post by leonagwen on May 14, 2018 18:08:24 GMT -5
It does take time for the title to set in but I think Pink has been around long enough that she isn't. Maybe we wouldn't say it now but it is clear that Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj are either there or very close. Pink has been around longer than them all (except Beyonce if you count Destiny's Child) and I don't think it's happening. The lack of an iconic/ubiquitous song, no real defining style or influential album, etc. Using your logic what makes Rihanna a legend and not Pink?
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 14, 2018 18:13:14 GMT -5
It does take time for the title to set in but I think Pink has been around long enough that she isn't. Maybe we wouldn't say it now but it is clear that Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj are either there or very close. Pink has been around longer than them all (except Beyonce if you count Destiny's Child) and I don't think it's happening. The lack of an iconic/ubiquitous song, no real defining style or influential album, etc. Using your logic what makes Rihanna a legend and not Pink? Influence
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Post by leonagwen on May 14, 2018 18:15:38 GMT -5
Using your logic what makes Rihanna a legend and not Pink? Influence Rihanna is not a legend
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 14, 2018 18:17:03 GMT -5
She will be, 100%. Just her name sounds legendary.
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Post by leonagwen on May 14, 2018 18:18:50 GMT -5
She will be, 100%. Just her name sounds legendary. I wouldn't put her their yet but she is close.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 14, 2018 18:22:45 GMT -5
She will be, 100%. Just her name sounds legendary. I wouldn't put her their yet but she is close. Agree with that, it's early to call her "a legend", but she's definitely the biggest artist of this century so far.
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Post by leonagwen on May 14, 2018 18:27:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't put her their yet but she is close. Agree with that, it's early to call her "a legend", but she's definitely the biggest artist of this century so far. Bigger than Beyonce, Katy, Gaga or Taylor?
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 14, 2018 20:39:34 GMT -5
Hell yeah.
Probably a Top 15 female artist of all time.
Probably a Top 50 artist of all time overall.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 14, 2018 20:43:42 GMT -5
I mean, she's hands down the biggest artist of the century. And has a bigger footprint on the charts than any artist ever. So yes, I think that if anybody can be called a legend, it's Rihanna.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 14, 2018 20:44:15 GMT -5
WTF is "MOR"? I assume it has something to do with being Flo Rida-ish where you're extremely successful yet not all that memorable.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 20:47:39 GMT -5
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 14, 2018 20:48:34 GMT -5
WTF is "MOR"? I assume it has something to do with being Flo Rida-ish where you're extremely successful yet not all that memorable. Middle of the road.
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Post by leonagwen on May 14, 2018 21:06:07 GMT -5
I mean, she's hands down the biggest artist of the century. And has a bigger footprint on the charts than any artist ever. So yes, I think that if anybody can be called a legend, it's Rihanna. Theres more to being a legend than just single success.Theres album sales,cultural impact, concert receipts etc.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 14, 2018 21:06:27 GMT -5
It's a furniture company. Short acronyms aren't easy to Google.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 14, 2018 21:20:40 GMT -5
IMO yes, she's a trendsetter and her style is recognizably her in both her music, fashion, and performances Plus given her acrobatics skill being so prominent, it's definitely noteworthy What trends is she setting? She is responsible for Christina’s Stripped.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on May 14, 2018 21:21:03 GMT -5
I mean, she's hands down the biggest artist of the century. And has a bigger footprint on the charts than any artist ever. So yes, I think that if anybody can be called a legend, it's Rihanna. Theres more to being a legend than just single success.Theres album sales,cultural impact, concert receipts etc. Fashion, Pop Culture, Cosmetics, etc. Rihanna has had an an immense impact on all of it.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 14, 2018 21:23:57 GMT -5
I mean, she's hands down the biggest artist of the century. And has a bigger footprint on the charts than any artist ever. So yes, I think that if anybody can be called a legend, it's Rihanna. concert receipts Gee. Ok. Hold on a second. Let me ask you a few questions: 1. How many times have you listened to a song at a concert? 2. How many times have you listened to a song in your entire life? 3. Now what is the answer to #1 divided by the answer to #2? Probably something like 1/5,000 right? If you're an avid concert attendee? That's about how much concerts matter in a conversation about popularity. About a factor of 1 in 5000. I.e., completely irrelevant or negligible to the conversation. That's not to say that Ticket Sales likely correlate with fan interest, which can just as easily be observed in how much interest an artist can generate in their debut week.
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Post by jenglisbe on May 14, 2018 21:27:48 GMT -5
It does take time for the title to set in but I think Pink has been around long enough that she isn't. Maybe we wouldn't say it now but it is clear that Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj are either there or very close. Pink has been around longer than them all (except Beyonce if you count Destiny's Child) and I don't think it's happening. The lack of an iconic/ubiquitous song, no real defining style or influential album, etc. Nicki Minaj? Beyonce will clearly be considered a legend. Rihanna likely will be on some level. I think Lady Gaga could still go either way; she needs a true comeback to solidify her status because as of now she essentially just had a great few years. Nicki Minaj is nowhere near a legend. Her verse on “Monster” is probably still her main contribution to music. P!nk has been around for awhile, but as has been said, her actual music hasn’t left a legacy. She doesn’t have those career defining songs that other legendary artists have had. What is her I Will Always Love You, We Belong Together, My Heart Wll Go On, Like a Virgin, Single Ladies, etc? Plus those artists all have multiple signature hits. Misundazstood seemed like it might become an iconic album, but somehow it has been a bit forgotten, and she doesn’t have an album that holds the weight of a Rhythm Nation, Whitney Houston, Ray of Light, Emancipation of Mimi, etc.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 14, 2018 21:54:48 GMT -5
Just because the biggest of big in terms of music are legends, doesn't mean someone not up to their level can't be? I guess Dua Lipa's a legend too following this logic. Yeah, if you're an 8 year old. Basically you're listing 3 of the biggest artists ever and saying anyone who isn't up to their level can't be a legend. That's like saying unless you're Bill Gates-level rich or richer, you're not considered rich.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on May 14, 2018 21:55:40 GMT -5
If know it sounds very morbid, but I think of legacy like this: When the artist *dies* is it going to be a huge deal where everybody remembers? Or is it going to be a small thing that not many people talk about.
Of course, it also has to do with how much time has passed between the artist's peak and the artist's death. But, that is usually the thing that I think about.
I do think P!nk will be a big deal. But not as big of a deal as her success might suggest. Because I do think she is an artist who is more successful than she is relevant or loved.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 14, 2018 21:58:45 GMT -5
Gee. Ok. Hold on a second. Let me ask you a few questions: 1. How many times have you listened to a song at a concert? 2. How many times have you listened to a song in your entire life? 3. Now what is the answer to #1 divided by the answer to #2? Probably something like 1/5,000 right? If you're an avid concert attendee? That's about how much concerts matter in a conversation about popularity. About a factor of 1 in 5000. I.e., completely irrelevant or negligible to the conversation. That's not to say that Ticket Sales likely correlate with fan interest, which can just as easily be observed in how much interest an artist can generate in their debut week. I'll disagree with you here. Concert popularity is a huge indicator of how big an act is considered overall. Being able to tour across the country selling out huge venues is a testament to how big someone is. Post Malone may have just had an album bomb on the album chart but do you think he could announce a tour at this moment and sell out stadiums at every venue in just a couple hours?
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Post by jenglisbe on May 14, 2018 22:25:36 GMT -5
Gee. Ok. Hold on a second. Let me ask you a few questions: 1. How many times have you listened to a song at a concert? 2. How many times have you listened to a song in your entire life? 3. Now what is the answer to #1 divided by the answer to #2? Probably something like 1/5,000 right? If you're an avid concert attendee? That's about how much concerts matter in a conversation about popularity. About a factor of 1 in 5000. I.e., completely irrelevant or negligible to the conversation. That's not to say that Ticket Sales likely correlate with fan interest, which can just as easily be observed in how much interest an artist can generate in their debut week. I'll disagree with you here. Concert popularity is a huge indicator of how big an act is considered overall. Being able to tour across the country selling out huge venues is a testament to how big someone is. Post Malone may have just had an album bomb on the album chart but do you think he could announce a tour at this moment and sell out stadiums at every venue in just a couple hours? I agree concerts mean a lot, but that also means country artists like Jason Aleena and Luke Bryan could be considered legends since they have huge tours. The reality is there isn’t a set definition of “legend.” There are some artists we can all just agree are legends without needing to prove it. Then there are artists who seem on the verge and where this kind of discussion can happen. I do think P!nk’s legacy more than anything is as a live performer; her most remembered things as an artist are a couple of her awards show performances. That makes her an iconic performer, and that combined with her longevity helps her tours sell well. Personally that’s a bit different than “legend” to me.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on May 14, 2018 22:27:48 GMT -5
I guess Dua Lipa's a legend too following this logic. Yeah, if you're an 8 year old. That's like saying unless you're Bill Gates-level rich or richer, you're not considered rich. no it’s not sweetie.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 14, 2018 22:33:56 GMT -5
Yeah, if you're an 8 year old. That's like saying unless you're Bill Gates-level rich or richer, you're not considered rich. no it’s not sweetie. So you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. The usual then.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 14, 2018 22:35:25 GMT -5
I'll disagree with you here. Concert popularity is a huge indicator of how big an act is considered overall. Being able to tour across the country selling out huge venues is a testament to how big someone is. Post Malone may have just had an album bomb on the album chart but do you think he could announce a tour at this moment and sell out stadiums at every venue in just a couple hours? I agree concerts mean a lot, but that also means country artists like Jason Aleena and Luke Bryan could be considered legends since they have huge tours. No, I just mean concerts can't be discarded as was being suggested. Just to reiterate, I personally don't think Pink has reached "legendary" status. I think a case can be made but if I were on jury, I'd probably say no.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on May 14, 2018 22:47:51 GMT -5
So you're just disagreeing for the sake of it. The usual then. I feel like there’s some tension between us and it’s kind of hot ngl
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