Billboard Hot 100: 6/2/2018

[85la]

May 22, 2018 19:53:20 GMT -5 kanfad said:

May 22, 2018 19:35:35 GMT -5 85la said:

Source? That has definitely not always been the case, as YouTube numbers are much larger than other streaming outlets, and I was under the impression that even though most YouTube streams are technically on-demand, they count less than other on-demand streams, about as much as passive/programmed streams.

Ummm idk even know where to begin.
This has always been the case.
Youtube numbers relative to other streaming outlets vary from song to song but are all WEIGHTED the same.

For example, This is America getting 40 million streams from Youtube and 25 million from on demand streaming outlets are both divided by 150.
Programmed streams for This is America, lets say 8 million streams is divided by 300. 

Incase you still need convincing from an official source, someone please link that HDD article detailing this.

May 22, 2018 19:56:41 GMT -5 fhas said:

May 22, 2018 19:35:35 GMT -5 85la said:

Source? That has definitely not always been the case, as YouTube numbers are much larger than other streaming outlets, and I was under the impression that even though most YouTube streams are technically on-demand, they count less than other on-demand streams, about as much as passive/programmed streams.

YouTube and on-demand always counted the same. YT is the most popular streaming service, but if you count all the on-demand services (Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal, SoundCloud, etc) as a whole, on-demand streaming is more influent on the Hot 100.

"Currently, Billboard has two defined types of streaming plays for the Billboard Hot 100 songs chart (and our other genre-specific hybrid songs charts): on-demand (such as Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify and YouTube) and programmed (such as Pandora and Slacker Radio), with on-demand having a greater weight."

www.billboard.com/articles/news/8427967/billboard-changes-streaming-weighting-hot-100-billboard-200

"Currently the Hot 100 is determined by dividing sales by six, BDS “audience impressions” by 7k, on-demand streaming by 1.25k and radio streaming by 2.5k. A download now equals 1,167 audience impressions, 208 on-demand streams and 416 radio streams."

www.hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=308806

Well, I could be mistaken, but I have been following the Billboard charts very closely for almost 15 years now, and I read the articles every week and pretty strongly remember it being mentioned that at least at one point in time YouTube streams counted less than other on-demand streams, most probably in the early days right after YouTube was added in 2013 (I tried to search for articles both by Billboard and other sources that support this but couldn't find any as of now, but if I come across something I'll definitely post it later).

I would hardly call Hits Daily Double a reputable, verifiable source of Billboard's methodology and chart formulas, given how much they trash them and the acrimonious relationship they have with each other ("the Bible", etc.), but that formula, even if correct, doesn't say anything about YouTube vs. the other streaming services.

In addition, neither quote from HDD or the Billboard article says that the described methodology has always been the case, just that that is what it is currently, so that does not preclude the fact that at some time in the past, YouTube could have been weighed differently than the other on-demand services.

It's important to note that Billboard HAS NEVER revealed it's specific formula, giving exact multipliers for all the metrics, at any time in the modern streaming era, so statements such as "on-demand streams are divided by 150" and "programmed streams by 300" or whatever number are unofficial and unverifiable.

[fhas]

May 22, 2018 13:37:42 GMT -5 fhas said:

May 22, 2018 12:24:28 GMT -5 filthy said:

It's currently #2 on the American YouTube chart:


kworb.net/youtube/insights/us_daily.html

#7 on Streaming Songs Chart with ~22 million streams (13M YouTube).

Boo'd Up's official numbers:
#7 streaming - 23.3M
#38 digital sales - 11k
#4 R&B/Hip-Hop airplay - 27M

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8457442/ella-mais-bood-up-hits-no-1-on-hot-rb-songs-chart-top-10-on

[rimetm]

The data did leak in 2015, and it was confirmed that the only dividing of streaming was between on-demand and radio streams.

[iHype.]

5 Pop songs Top 10 this week. 5 Rap songs Top 10 this week.
-
Kworb is predicting Kris Wu to be #1 in digital sales. 

kworb.net/cc/
Sales have already been dead, but now they officially do not matter.

[Deleted]

I hope walk it like I talk it return too the top ten so drake has five songs in

[Sherane Lamar]

Top artists of 2018 so far (inv point):

1 ) Post Malone 6898

2 ) Cardi B 4435

3 ) Migos 4406

4 ) Camila Cabello 3547

5 ) Imagine Dragons 3139

6 ) Ed Sheeran 2924

7 ) G-Eazy 2651

8 ) Kendrick Lamar 2634

9 ) Drake 2447

10 ) Dua Lipa 2332

SPOILER: Click to show

{Show 11-100}11 ) The Weeknd 2259
12 ) Bruno Mars 2044
13 ) Bebe Rexha 2016
14 ) 6ix9ine 1894
15 ) Khalid 1748
16 ) Rich The Kid 1726
17 ) NF 1576
18 ) YoungBoy Never Broke Again 1531
19 ) XXXTentacion 1511
20 ) Maroon 5 1483
21 ) Halsey 1481
22 ) Zedd 1462
23 ) Charlie Puth 1460
24 ) Offset 1438
25 ) J. Cole 1401
26 ) Logic 1373
27 ) Bazzi 1362
28 ) Portugal. The Man 1358
29 ) Justin Timberlake 1345
30 ) Demi Lovato 1337
31 ) BlocBoy JB 1315
32 ) Taylor Swift 1285
33 ) Marshmello 1196
34 ) MAX 1170
35 ) Selena Gomez 1133
36 ) Kane Brown 1130
37 ) Thomas Rhett 1090
38 ) Lil Pump 1082
39 ) Jason Aldean 1015
40 ) Famous Dex 961
41 ) Jay Rock 913
42 ) Miguel 896
43 ) A$AP Ferg 870
44 ) N*E*R*D 866
45 ) Sam Smith 825
46 ) Lil Dicky 817
47 ) Ozuna 803
48 ) Eminem 798
49 ) Kodak Black 781
50 ) Lil Skies 755
51 ) Gucci Mane 699
52 ) Luke Bryan 688
53 ) Shawn Mendes 663
54 ) Luis Fonsi 658
55 ) Daddy Yankee 636
56 ) Rae Sremmurd 630
57 ) Scotty McCreery 569
58 ) Macklemore 559
59 ) Hailee Steinfeld 542
60 ) Chris Stapleton 517
61 ) Jordan Davis 498
62 ) Nicky Jam 496
63 ) Nicki Minaj 492
64 ) Old Dominion 476
65 ) Meghan Trainor 475
66 ) Russell Dickerson 463
67 ) Lil Uzi Vert 448
68 ) Lil Xan 429
69 ) Devin Dawson 404
70 ) J Balvin 401
71 ) 21 Savage 392
72 ) Ella Mai 375
73 ) Ariana Grande 374
74 ) Luke Combs 373
75 ) Brett Young 367
76 ) Blake Shelton 357
77 ) SZA 346
78 ) Keala Settle 342
79 ) Walker Hayes 341
80 ) Dan + Shay 332
81 ) French Montana 323
82 ) Chris Brown 322
83 ) P!nk 311
84 ) Bad Wolves 302
85 ) Lauv 295
86 ) Brett Eldredge 288
87 ) YBN Nahmir 288
88 ) Derez De'Shon 275
89 ) Chris Young 274
90 ) Calvin Harris 267
91 ) DJ Khaled 254
92 ) LANCO 250
93 ) Eric Church 226
94 ) Childish Gambino 200
95 ) Carrie Underwood 194
96 ) Foster The People 193
97 ) El Chombo 187
98 ) Casper Magica 187
99 ) Tank 181
100 ) Mariah Carey 180

Genre breakdown for 2018 so far:

46.5% Hip-Hop/Rap 51608
22.6% Pop 25122
9.9% Country 11037
5.8% Alternative 6418
5.7% R&B/Soul 6374
3% Latino 3338
3% Dance 3292
2.6% Singer/Songwriter 2924
.5% Soundtrack 562
.3% Rock 302
.1% Jazz 123

[Deleted]

The week that Bodak Yellow was #1, they clarified how streaming works:

"Rockstar" debuts at No. 1 on both Streaming Songs (44.1 million) and Digital Song Sales (80,000). (Note that "Bodak" boasts 46.4 million U.S. streams, while "Rockstar" racked 44.1 million, yet the latter is No. 1 on Streaming Songs; that's because those weekly sums are raw totals before weighting was applied that places a higher value on on-demand streams than programmed streams, like those on Pandora, where "Bodak" sports a significantly higher total than "Rockstar.")

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7973958/cardi-b-no-1-hot-100-post-malone-portugal-the-man

[kanfad]

With the rate at which This is America is dropping on Youtube and the latest kworb sales update, im really struggling to see how most predictions have it dropping only 1 spot on the hot 100. Is it huge on Pandora??

[fhas]

May 23, 2018 5:47:37 GMT -5 kanfad said:

With the rate at which This is America is dropping on Youtube and the latest kworb sales update, im really struggling to see how most predictions have it dropping only 1 spot on the hot 100. Is it huge on Pandora??

It's not top 100 on Pandora.

I had This Is America at #4 (almost #5, below Yes Indeed) before Billboard said it had 69.6M streams last week. Its 42.4M video streams is 13.4M higher than what YouTube Insights reported (29.0M), so I adjusted to calculate this week's YT streams based off 42.4M, not 29.0M.

YouTube: 42.4M - 46% = 22.7M
On-Demand: 26.7M - 25.5% = 19.9M
Programmed: I'm using last week's 444k programmed streams

43.1M total streams (99% on-demand/YouTube + 1% programmed) + 21k downloads + 23.8M airplay = 34,400 points

[kanfad]

May 23, 2018 6:52:17 GMT -5 fhas said:

May 23, 2018 5:47:37 GMT -5 kanfad said:

With the rate at which This is America is dropping on Youtube and the latest kworb sales update, im really struggling to see how most predictions have it dropping only 1 spot on the hot 100. Is it huge on Pandora??

It's not top 100 on Pandora.

I had This Is America at #4 (almost #5, below Yes Indeed) before Billboard said it had 69.6M streams last week. Its 42.4M video streams is 13.4M higher than what YouTube Insights reported (29.0M), so I adjusted to calculate this week's YT streams based off 42.4M, not 29.0M.

YouTube: 42.4M - 46% = 22.7M
On-Demand: 26.7M - 25.5% = 19.9M
Programmed: I'm using last week's 444k programmed streams

43.1M total streams (99% on-demand/YouTube + 1% programmed) + 21k downloads + 23.8M airplay = 34,400 points

Ughh, youtube is always such a wildcard. Glad that'll be changing a little come July. Thanks for clarifying this.
Also is Youtube insights occasionally inaccurate or is the majority of those 13.4 million streams user generated?

[elementd5]

Would Boo'd up be the first (or one of few?) traditional R&B songs by a female artist to go Top 10 on the Hot 100 in like a decade (I'm not including Rihanna/Beyoncé singles as traditional R&B)?

[fhas]

May 23, 2018 7:05:56 GMT -5 kanfad said:

May 23, 2018 6:52:17 GMT -5 fhas said:

It's not top 100 on Pandora.

I had This Is America at #4 (almost #5, below Yes Indeed) before Billboard said it had 69.6M streams last week. Its 42.4M video streams is 13.4M higher than what YouTube Insights reported (29.0M), so I adjusted to calculate this week's YT streams based off 42.4M, not 29.0M.

YouTube: 42.4M - 46% = 22.7M
On-Demand: 26.7M - 25.5% = 19.9M
Programmed: I'm using last week's 444k programmed streams

43.1M total streams (99% on-demand/YouTube + 1% programmed) + 21k downloads + 23.8M airplay = 34,400 points

Ughh, youtube is always such a wildcard. Glad that'll be changing a little come July. Thanks for clarifying this.
Also is Youtube insights occasionally inaccurate or is the majority of those 13.4 million streams user generated?

It's usually accurate (not as accurate as Spotify, tho) and they count user generated videos but when it's inaccurate that's because they somehow report lower numbers to Billboard (Look Alive, Gucci Gang).

[jebsib]

May 23, 2018 7:12:01 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Would Boo'd up be the first (or one of few?) traditional R&B songs by a female artist to go Top 10 on the Hot 100 in like a decade (I'm not including Rihanna/Beyoncé singles as traditional R&B)?

I think so. Very subjective (Is Keri Hilson too pop leaning r&b, etc…)
but I think you would have to go back to Estelle's 2008 American Boy.

[kanfad]

May 23, 2018 7:12:01 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Would Boo'd up be the first (or one of few?) traditional R&B songs by a female artist to go Top 10 on the Hot 100 in like a decade (I'm not including Rihanna/Beyoncé singles as traditional R&B)?

From what i could find, since 2008 excluding rihanna and beyonce, Knock you down by keri hilson is the only rnb song by a female artist to reach the top ten

[elementd5]

^Wow. I hope Ella makes it then. That's crazy.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/05/23
1. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (164.347) (-0.737)
2. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (153.752) (+0.317)
3. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (147.140) (-0.379)
4. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (142.250) (-2.529)
5. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (129.243) (+0.113)
6. (+1) POST MALONE - Psycho f/Ty Dolla $ign (111.522) (+2.253)
7. (+1) DRAKE - Nice For What (108.593) (+0.114)
8. (-2) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (107.921) (-1.789)
9. (+1) MAROON 5 - Wait (98.668) (+1.008)
10. (-1) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (98.524) (-0.586)
11. (=) SHAWN MENDES - In My Blood (85.725) (-0.154)
12. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (82.712) (-1.277)
13. (=) BAZZI - Mine (79.961) (+0.296)
14. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (79.796) (+0.329)
15. (=) ARIANA GRANDE - No Tears Left To Cry (77.985) (+1.765)
16. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (72.666) (-2.729)
17. (+1) LUKE COMBS - One Number Away (70.662) (+0.328)
18. (-1) KANE BROWN - Heaven (70.090) (-1.103)
19. (=) BLOCBOY JB - Look Alive f/Drake (69.509) (-0.449)
20. (=) TAYLOR SWIFT - Delicate (69.296) (+1.348)

Outside the Top 20:
35. (+2) ELLA MAI - Boo'd Up (48.246) (+1.169)
75. (+5) CARDI B - I Like It (24.941) (+1.067)

[jenglisbe]

May 23, 2018 7:40:38 GMT -5 kanfad said:

May 23, 2018 7:12:01 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Would Boo'd up be the first (or one of few?) traditional R&B songs by a female artist to go Top 10 on the Hot 100 in like a decade (I'm not including Rihanna/Beyoncé singles as traditional R&B)?

From what i could find, since 2008 excluding rihanna and beyonce, Knock you down by keri hilson is the only rnb song by a female artist to reach the top ten

Mariah’s “Obsessed” isn’t R&B?

[Au$tin]

May 23, 2018 7:12:01 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Would Boo'd up be the first (or one of few?) traditional R&B songs by a female artist to go Top 10 on the Hot 100 in like a decade (I'm not including Rihanna/Beyoncé singles as traditional R&B)?

Why would you expect Rihanna when Love on the Brain is more r&b than Boo'd Up? Is it just because she's charted on pop? That really shouldn't matter. (Beyoncé too, but I'm struggling to think of any song from her that's as "traditional" r&b as BU and LOTB that went to ten. I could see a case for Irreplaceable.)

Edit: Forgot Me Myself & I went top ten too, that's definitely r&b.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Psycho overtaking Nice for What is one of the more dramatic things that have happened on radio airplay this year. Considering that Nice for What got the Radio Airplay award on the Hot 100 for several weeks straight due to its meteoric rise and Psycho getting it last week. It looks like Psycho will probably get it again next week, unless No Tears Left to Cry gets it. It almost feels like Nice for What could be nearing its peak soon.

Also, if Never Be the Same ends up overtaking The Middle for #1, it would probably happen next week unless it gains increase and/or The Middle's losses increases.

[jebsib]

I think the OP was talking about songs by artists that don't have the traditional trappings of mega superstardom
(thus his exclusion of Rih / Bey - MC would fall under that category).
The 90s and 00s were filled with top 10s by grass roots contemporary r&b acts. This sounds like one of them.

[jenglisbe]

May 23, 2018 1:15:56 GMT -5 Codex said:

May 22, 2018 23:59:59 GMT -5 iHype. said:

5 Pop songs Top 10 this week. 5 Rap songs Top 10 this week.
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Kworb is predicting Kris Wu to be #1 in digital sales. 

kworb.net/cc/
Sales have already been dead, but now they officially do not matter.

Without Kris Wu the #1 would be below 30k

Kris Wu was always going to be #1 since he topped iTunes most of the week (and by a wide margin). The bigger deal is it’s with under 50k* in sales. This is why people keep saying iTunes positions aren’t a big deal.
*I remember hot100predictions saying it had sold 41k before day 1 ended, so that was obviously wrong.

[Gary]

Correct me if I am wrong, the kworb site projects sales for the week so that 41K may have been a weekly projection?

[skizzo]

I'm so over this godawful era of music and Hot 100.

[rimetm]

It hadn’t projected sales until the current figure for this week. I believe the user who stated a day 1 of 41k has frequently misinterpreted the live stats.

[kanfad]

May 23, 2018 8:21:34 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

May 23, 2018 7:40:38 GMT -5 kanfad said:

From what i could find, since 2008 excluding rihanna and beyonce, Knock you down by keri hilson is the only rnb song by a female artist to reach the top ten

Mariah’s “Obsessed” isn’t R&B?

Cant believe i missed that. Yeah it is kinda

[jenglisbe]

May 23, 2018 8:33:35 GMT -5 Gary said:

Correct me if I am wrong, the kworb site projects sales for the week so that 41K may have been a weekly projection?

I just found the post I referenced:

May 18, 2018 7:32:02 GMT -5 hot100predictions said:

OMG. Who the hell is Kris Wu? He has sold nearly 41k copies of Like That on iTunes in the US since its release at 11pm ET last night. It does good on streams, and it may be headed for a Top 10 debut on Billboard on the 6/2 chart.

[ddlz]

I still feel like 'Psycho' could top the Hot 100 if they give it some final push before Drake releases his album.

[owenlovesmusic]

May 23, 2018 9:53:03 GMT -5 ddlz said:

I still feel like 'Psycho' could top the Hot 100 if they give it some final push before Drake releases his album.

I hope so. It’s definitely possible because it still still going pretty strong. they would need to discount it on iTunes and that could probably give it the boost it needs.

[Deleted]

I feel like NTLTC will go back to the top five soon, it should go higher then meant to be in two weeks.

[kcdawg13]

Where did Boo'd Up come from? I feel like it just came right out of nowhere.

I'm not complaining though, it's a fantastic song.