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Post by tim on Apr 16, 2020 13:04:03 GMT -5
I know you're not doing pre-reveal questions for these, but I thought I'd go ahead and do some anyways! I tend to knock a lot of these albums out ahead of time so I like doing them before reveals as it helps to refresh my memory lol. Anyways, here goes...
For the Win: "You Don't Even Know Who I Am"
Top 5 Songs: "You Don't Even Know Who I Am " and "I Try To Think About Elvis" in the top two along with the albums other two singles "Here I Am" and "Halfway Down" both landing in the top four. That leaves only one album track for the top five and while I'm holding out hope that it'll be "Ships" I'm more inclined to think it'll be either the title track or "A Handful of Dust".
Bottom 3 Songs: "Old Weakness (Coming On Strong)" out first followed by "Feelin' Good About Feelin' Bad" and "Over My Shoulder"
Most Polarizing: "Ships" / Least Polarizing: "You Don't Even Know Who I Am"
And how about this for a Throwback Thursday...here's a clip I found of Patty winning Album of the Year for When Fallen Angels Fly at the 1995 CMA Awards! Oh, and if you feel inclined to rewind by a couple of minutes you'll be treated to a performance of George singing "Check Yes Or No" ;)
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 18, 2020 19:08:26 GMT -5
Feelin' good about feelin' bad
These are the best gettin' over you tears I've ever shed
Gonna get real toe and heel leave you like you're standin' still
Dance you right outta my head
Feelin' good about feelin' bad
Don't ya worry your mind that you're worryin' mine any longer
If your memory comes a-callin' I won't be home
Well, it may seem cruel and crude
But I'm changin' my attitude
You'll be history in a sea of lost and gone10. "Feelin' Bad at Feelin' Good"Points: 85
Average: 7.73
Standard Dev: 2.38Writers: Emory Gordy, Jr., Jim Rushing  Individual Ranks:taylor is terrified ~ 4 George Strait Junkie ~ 4 Kanenrá:ke ~ 5 jenglisbe ~ 6 bboat11 ~ 8 castleoblivion26 ~ 9 someguy ~ 9 tim ~ 10 toomuchboy ~ 10 .indulgecountry ~ 10 Troublemaker ~ 10 Trajectory: |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 18, 2020 19:09:43 GMT -5
What? This is a jam y’all!
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 18, 2020 19:38:50 GMT -5
Handful of dust, handful of dust
Sums up the richest and poorest of us
True love makes priceless the worthless
Whenever it's added to a handful of dust
However small though our worth may be
When shared between two hearts
Is even more than it would ever be
Measured on its own, apart
And our half what it could be
Is now twice what it was
When true love is added to
These handfuls of dust9. "A Handful of Dust"Points: 75
Average: 6.82
Standard Dev: 2.37Writers: Tony Arata  Individual Ranks:jenglisbe ~ 3 someguy ~ 4 .indulgecountry ~ 4 Troublemaker ~ 5 tim ~ 7 George Strait Junkie ~ 7 castleoblivion26 ~ 8 toomuchboy ~ 8 bboat11 ~ 9 Kanenrá:ke ~ 10 taylor is terrified ~ 10 Trajectory: |
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 18, 2020 20:13:08 GMT -5
Well, he bought her a cup of coffee
With the quarters he meant to play
They went for a bite and they talked all night
'Til they said what they needed to say
Then they found 'em an all night chapel
With a heart shaped honeymoon suite
And somewhere tonight in the neon light
Two hearts can't be beat
And he's singin' a little song
She's grinnin' a little grin
And they're holdin' each other
Watchin' their ship to come in
Her face was a little pale
His hair was a little thin
But they're two young lovers
Watchin' their ship to come in
Just holdin' each other
Watchin' their ship to come in 8. "Ships"Points: 74
Average: 6.73
Standard Dev: 2.56Writers: Gretchen Peters  Individual Ranks:taylor is terrified ~ 2 Kanenrá:ke ~ 3 tim ~ 4 castleoblivion26 ~ 6 bboat11 ~ 7 toomuchboy ~ 7 someguy ~ 8 jenglisbe ~ 9 .indulgecountry ~ 9 Troublemaker ~ 9 George Strait Junkie ~ 10 Trajectory: |
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Post by taylor is terrified on Apr 18, 2020 20:27:25 GMT -5
"Ships" out this early?! Rankdown canceled! >  |
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Apr 19, 2020 0:49:32 GMT -5
Oh wow what is "Ships" doing this low!
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 19, 2020 2:15:56 GMT -5
"Feelin' Good About Feelin' Bad" is quite catchy! This album is so good though, and something had to be last place. This was my #8, but I can totally see where we all just collectively liked other songs more. Thrilled to see "Handful Of Dust" do so poorly here! I do like this song, but I just found myself consistently underwhelmed by it every time I revisited this album. tim's been sending me PMs leading me to believe that this was supposed to be some well-loved album track, so I was disappointedly thinking I would be the only one who was underwhelmed! OMG, "Ships" already!!!! That's a shocker!! Tbh, for multiple years now people have been trying to tell me that this was one of the best songs of this album, one of the biggest missed hits of her entire career, one of the biggest masterpieces she's ever done, etc. And I have TRIED to get into it so many times now... But I have come up underwhelmed every single time. Yes, the lyrics have that Gretchen Peters intelligence about them, but the melody is lacking in a way that Gretchen's songs usually are not, and the vocals are lacking emotion in a way that Patty's ballads usually are not. I guess this proves that I am not as crazy as I thought I was for finding this one somewhat underwhelming! |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 19, 2020 12:09:29 GMT -5
bboat11 What do you think of her alternate take on “Handful of Dust” on Mountain Soul II? I like “Ships,” but it’s low for me because it never quite goes anywhere. On an album this strong, that puts it near the bottom.
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Post by tim on Apr 19, 2020 19:42:40 GMT -5
Other than "Feelin' Bad at Feelin' Good" leaving this isn't quite how I thought the bottom 3 would play out. I was really holding out hope that "Ships" would at least make it one or two spots higher, but it ended up leaving quite early in the Gretchen Peters rankdown that was done last winter and so I kind of already had an idea of who liked and who didn't. I'm actually most disappointed to see "A Handful of Dust" leave so early because that has always been one of my favorite tracks both from this album and her second bluegrass release Mountain Soul.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 20, 2020 16:27:22 GMT -5
"A Handful of Dust" is way too low! </3
The other two songs revealed were my bottom 2 though and I didn't care for either tbh, so I'm pretty okay with the way this is starting off.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 23, 2020 15:56:44 GMT -5
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Post by someguy on Apr 23, 2020 16:29:45 GMT -5
This is such a solid album. I like "Old Weakness..." a fair bit. I think I prefer Tanya Tucker's version, but Patty's is great as well.
I always thought that "A Handful Of Dust" should have been a single from this album over "Halfway Down". I'm disappointed to see it so low here.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 23, 2020 17:00:04 GMT -5
Fighting with the devil
Harder all the time
Sinkin' to his level
But I'm only, yes I'm only, halfway down
Halfway down, just a getting started
Yes I'm beginning on my journey now
But I've only gotten halfway down
Halfway down, just a little bit farther
Well I believe you better catch me now
'Cause I'm only going halfway down
Sippin' shallow water
Sharks out for the kill
Almost hittin' bottom
But I'm only, yes I'm only, halfway down6. "Halfway Down"Points: 65
Average: 5.91
Standard Dev: 2.39Writers: Jim Lauderdale  Individual Ranks:George Strait Junkie ~ 1 .indulgecountry ~ 2 castleoblivion26 ~ 5 someguy ~ 6 tim ~ 6 bboat11 ~ 6 jenglisbe ~ 7 taylor is terrified ~ 7 Troublemaker ~ 7 Kanenrá:ke ~ 9 toomuchboy ~ 9 Trajectory: |
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Post by someguy on Apr 23, 2020 17:07:53 GMT -5
Brandy Clark refers to When Fallen Angels Fly as her favourite album of all time in this interview:
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 23, 2020 17:32:15 GMT -5
Over my shoulder
My heart expects to see you runnin' after me
Callin' out my name
Over my shoulder
There's a coat you used to wrap me in to keep me warm
To keep near
Through the clouds still hang around me
Like my stormy love for you
The rain is fallin' softer now
The sun is breakin' through
Over my shoulder I see a rainbow
And is it heaven's way of sayin' I can let you go
And tomorrow morning I'll be one day older
And you will be a memory
One last look, over my shoulder
Over my shoulder
There're some words I said I wish I had back again
But it's out of my hands5. "Over My Shoulder"Points: 64
Average: 5.82
Standard Dev: 3.07Writers: Roger Murrah, Marcus Hummon  Individual Ranks:taylor is terrified ~ 1 Troublemaker ~ 2 .indulgecountry ~ 3 bboat11 ~ 4 Kanenrá:ke ~ 4 toomuchboy ~ 6 someguy ~ 7 tim ~ 8 George Strait Junkie ~ 9 castleoblivion26 ~ 10 jenglisbe ~ 10 Trajectory: |
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 23, 2020 18:16:19 GMT -5
There is something I must tell you
I wonder if you'll understand
How I found such worldly pleasures
In the arms of other men
You should never try to judge me
We have both been wrong and right
But I know no one's ever loved me
Like you're loving me tonight
God will save His fallen angels
And their broken wings He'll mend
When He draws their hearts together
And they learn to love again
All their sins will be forgiven
In the twinkle of an eye
All the saints rejoice in heaven
When the fallen angels fly4. "When The Fallen Angels Fly"Points: 60
Average: 5.45
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 23, 2020 18:22:48 GMT -5
The predictable yet correct top 3! I will be happy with any of them winning, but I fully expect it to be 3 “Here I Am, 2 “Elvis”, and 1 YDEKWIA
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Post by tim on Apr 23, 2020 18:47:08 GMT -5
I can't quite put my finger on it but "Old Weakness (Coming On Strong)" has always seemed a bit out of place on this album. This is also a song that has been covered a handful of times by other artists over the years and I actually much prefer the rawness of the delivery from both Delbert McClinton and Tanya Tucker on this track over Patty's.
If there was going to be a single miss the top five it was bound to be "Halfway Down" as that has always been a bit more of a polarizing song amongst her catalog of hits. If I'm not mistaken this was the first song written by Jim Lauderdale to be released as a single and I can certainly hear his influence on it (it was George Strait of course who put Jim's name on the radar of other country artists thanks to Pure Country). It's a song that I always enjoy whenever I happen to come across it, but it just isn't one of her hits that I find myself revisiting.
I had a hunch that the title track was going to be the highest placing album track and I'm glad it managed to make it just outside of the top three...great song and one that I do find myself revisiting quite a bit!
Speaking of the top 3 I think we all pretty much assumed these would be the final three songs remaining and I think they'll probably end up placing just as they did in her artist rankdown. Here's my predictions:
3. Here I Am
2. I Try To Think About Elvis
1. You Don't Even Know Who I Am
I suppose there is a chance the opposite could happen and "I Try To Think About Elvis" could pull of a win here, but I still think the epic "You Don't Even Know Who I Am" will prevail.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 23, 2020 19:00:17 GMT -5
I try to contemplate the cosmos
What goes
Round and round the sky at night
I try to think about champagne
Freight trains
Slowly rolling out of sight
I try to focus on the headlines
Street crimes
Everytime I think I might
I just can't concentrate
You're all I think about these days
My mind wanders where it will
When it settles right on you
I forget what I should say
I forget what I should do3. "I Try To Think About Elvis"Points: 46
Average: 4.18
Standard Dev: 2.21Writers: Gary Burr  Individual Ranks:someguy ~ 1 bboat11 ~ 2 Kanenrá:ke ~ 2 tim ~ 3 George Strait Junkie ~ 3 castleoblivion26 ~ 4 taylor is terrified ~ 5 toomuchboy ~ 5 .indulgecountry ~ 5 jenglisbe ~ 8 Troublemaker ~ 8 Trajectory: |
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Post by tim on Apr 23, 2020 19:28:48 GMT -5
Well that was unexpected! I actually thought this would get more support than it did, but I think the problem it has is that it's one of her more overplayed songs...I mean I don't think a week goes by that I still don't hear this song come on the radio. I'll even admit to usually just hitting skip at that point because I've heard this so many times over the years. It's a still a jam, though!
I'm pleasantly surprised to see "Here I Am" make it into the top two because it wasn't even able to make it into the top ten in her artist rankdown. I'm still expecting it to bow out second, however.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 23, 2020 19:48:43 GMT -5
"Over My Shoulder" was my favorite discovery. Glad it made the top 5 here.  I wish "Halfway Down" were liked more because I love it. |
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 23, 2020 20:27:32 GMT -5
"She left the car in the driveway
She left the key in the door
She left the kids at her mama's
And the laundry piled up on the floor
She left her ring on the pillow
Right where it wouldn't be missed
She left a note in the kitchen
Next to the grocery list
It said, you don't even know who I am
You left me a long time ago
You don't even know who I am
So what do you care if I go"1. "You Don't Even Know Who I Am"Points: 20
Average: 1.82
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Apr 23, 2020 20:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by taylor is terrified on Apr 23, 2020 20:31:02 GMT -5
My 3 vs. my 8 so I'm definitely glad to see YDEKWIA win!!
Thanks for hosting castle, what an album and I can't wait for the next two
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 23, 2020 20:41:04 GMT -5
"You Don't Even Know Who I Am" is a song that had to grow on me, but I love it now. It's a bit slow, but the lyrics are so well-written and descriptive, and the way she launches into the chorus vocally is pretty effortless and gorgeous.
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Post by tim on Apr 23, 2020 21:04:45 GMT -5
Things may have started off a bit rocky for me in this rankdown but I ended up getting a perfect ranking for the top three! As I mentioned above I had set me expectations for "Here I Am" a bit low because of how it ended up performing in her artist rankdown, so I'm thrilled to see it do so well here and make the top two. There wasn't really any doubt in my mind, though, that "You Don't Even Know Who I Am" would come out victorious because it really is one of those songs that to me at least pretty much defines Patty's career. Thanks again for taking us down memory lane, castleoblivion26 , and I'm looking forward to the next two albums (which I might've already completed lol  )! |
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 28, 2020 17:32:13 GMT -5
bboat11 What do you think of her alternate take on “Handful of Dust” on Mountain Soul II? I like “Ships,” but it’s low for me because it never quite goes anywhere. On an album this strong, that puts it near the bottom. Sorry I never responded to this! I was not familiar with the bluegrass version, so I had to come back to check it out. As a general rule I prefer 90s mainstream country instrumentation to anything bluegrassy, but this one may be an exception! This song works really well as a bluegrass song! |
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Post by bboat11 on Apr 28, 2020 17:57:13 GMT -5
Also, I am surprised to see "Halfway Down" get the "You Will" treatment from this album! I am happy seeing at least one album track be able to sneak ahead of it, but I figured it would still make it to the top 5. I see I got a perfect ranking though, so that's great! "Over My Shoulder" is a really fantastic song that I am happy to have discovered from this album. In fact, it was my highest album track! Patty's delivery here is so good, and the production is also different enough from the rest of the album to make this stand out in a good way. Happy to see it sneak into the top 5! There was no question in my mind that the title track would end up as the highest album track. And it deserves! That baritone guitar in the intro is downright beautiful and sets the song off on the right foot. The explosive chorus is fun too. Predictable but correct top 3!! However, they did NOT finish in a predictable order!!! I thought "Here I Am" would get a little bit less support just because it could be seen as boring compared to "Elvis". It is so fantastic though! One of my favorite ballads from Patty I have always considered it to be pretty underrated on Pulse, so seeing it make it to the RotB rankdown is awesome! "Elvis" is such a fun, and funny, song. I can definitely see where overplay would work against it, but tbh I didn't experience it until her singles rankdown, so it is still very fresh to me. "You Don't Even Know Who I Am" is turning out to be her "I'm Alright", "Independence Day", "A Little Bit Stronger", etc.! Squashing the competition almost every chance it gets!! And I am totally here for it. The verses do seem a tad boring at first, but their simplicity takes on a whole new significance when contrasted with that explosive chorus. That chorus is also one of the finest vocal accomplishments of Patty's career. Thanks for hosting, castleoblivion26! I'm excited for the next two! I've been listening ahead, and I think we're in for our best round yet |
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Post by jenglisbe on May 18, 2020 10:45:33 GMT -5
Kim Richey did an interview with Country Universe and said this about one of my fave Patty songs that I assume we’ll be ranking soon:
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