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Post by rockgolf on Nov 21, 2018 14:00:48 GMT -5
Just like Bad wasn't as big as Thriller, but still a giant album (6 #1s?) Adele will do just fine.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 21, 2018 14:04:56 GMT -5
If we're keeping this as a chart discussion, then let's actually look at the charts, because other the Baby One More Time, Britney was not a huge singles act:
Britney's singles (US peaks) in her first 3 years Baby one more time #1 Sometimes #21 (You Drive Me) Crazy #10 Born to Make You Happy (did not chart) From the Bottom of My Broken Heart #14 Oops! I Did It Again #9 Lucky #23 Stronger #11 I'm A Slave 4 U #27 Overprotected #86
One #1, 3 top tens. Not particularly impressive. Now look at the first 3 years of Gaga's career: Just Dance #1 Poker Face #1 LoveGame #5 Paparazzi #6 Bad Romance #2 Telephone #3 Alejandro #5 Born This Way #1 Judas #10 The Edge of Glory #3 You & I #6 Marry the Night #29
Three #1s, eleven top tens. It isn't even close. Gaga by a mile. This isn't a fair comparison, IMO. Britney's early singles did not perform so well on the chart because Jive's main focus was always selling more physical copies of the album, which worked. She did move 24 MILLION COPIES of her first two albums in the States alone. The fact that she was banned on radio by Clear Channel didn't help either. IIRC, she was un-banned right before the release of Toxic and the rest is history. Chart performance is a very important factor when you're making these comparisons, of course, but there are so many aspects to be considered. Britney's first album sold more than Gaga's total US album sales so far but you said it's unfair to compare their sales. And I think it's unfair to just compare their Billboard peaks since those singles were released in different eras where they had different chart metrics.
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Post by think pink. on Nov 21, 2018 15:48:22 GMT -5
Britney.
She was such a culture icon and media obsession. Gaga’s peak felt like it came and went.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 21, 2018 15:59:11 GMT -5
With all due respect, no. For one thing, there are so many fewer places to buy albums. Even iTunes is looking to get out of the music sales business, to be replaced by streaming.
I'd be happy if it happened but I just don't see it. :0 Then what's gonna happen to Adele? Will she still be able to be a force? That’s the thing. People say her next album is guaranteed to have huge numbers - and I don’t doubt it will, but there’s also the consideration that even compared to 3 years ago, music retailers are harder to find. Adele relied a lot on physical sales from people who aren’t digitally motivated or just for those interested in having the cd as a novelty item or whatever. There comes a point when even if people want to buy something, if it’s not available they can’t and therefore won’t. I think that will affect Adele.
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Post by Positive Tension on Nov 22, 2018 0:14:32 GMT -5
Britney's peak felt bigger to me than Gaga's. Her 1999-2000 > Gaga's 2009-2010, imo. What clinches it for Britney is that she followed her commercial peak with the "Slave 4 U" performance with the snake (I remember that being talked about everywhere) and a controversial change in her image. Even though albums like Britney and in the Zone didn't sell half what her first two albums did, the interest in her as a celebrity only seemed to increase, so she still felt big even if she wasn't getting big hits.
This isn't to take anything away from Gaga, as she was definitely massive in her own right, but having experienced both eras, Britney just seemed like the bigger star at her peak and managed to maintain it longer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 0:39:01 GMT -5
Lol are y'all serious? This is like asking whose peak was bigger Janet or Jlo or Mariah or Ariana. The continued disrespect on Britney Spears legacy is insane. Lady Gaga is iconic in her own time but Britney was everywhere and everything and HUGE arguably for almost a decade the biggest pop act. She is on a whole different realm . Gaga is more comparable to like the hit making of Katy Perry (and peak wise I'll say Gaga felt bigger) the duration Gaga felt huge was too short imo to be a fair comparison to Britney
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 22, 2018 1:01:56 GMT -5
It’s not disrespectful to Britney to say Gaga had a stronger peak. Gaga was literally everywhere in 2010. Actually inescapable. Of course, Britney was too in 1999 but the hype leading up to Gaga’s second album was second only to 25 within the last 25 years. Britney had more highs than Gaga though.
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Post by 🇯🇲 dollybaby 🇯🇲 on Nov 22, 2018 1:51:08 GMT -5
When Britney was at her peak, it always felt to me like she was the biggest pop-tart, teen heart throb, J-14 fodder in existence. Iconic? Duh. Lady Gaga at her peak felt different to me as she was much more than the sexy image, Lady Gaga transcended the realm of teenage audiences and horny 23 year old men with Britney posters living in their parents basements. At Lady Gaga's peak it felt like there wasn't as much of a generational divide regarding her popularity, it was like people of all ages and backgrounds were fans and checking up on her. Not to mention Gaga was much more creatively involved in her image, music, and generally all aspects of her career which was refreshing at the time in pop culture and also lead to more acclaim and respect than I remember Britney garnering during her peak. Yes, I remember the days when j-14 would always rank her #1 for the Top Female in their list.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Nov 22, 2018 2:01:27 GMT -5
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 22, 2018 2:22:09 GMT -5
Using chart performance as a defense is irrelevant when discussing this kind of thing. ‘Oops’ may have peaked at #9, but it’s arguably one of the most iconic pop songs of all-time.
Idk when Pulse will understand that a Billboard peak isn’t the definitive answer to a song/album/artist’s success or impact.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 22, 2018 6:06:49 GMT -5
It’s not disrespectful to Britney to say Gaga had a stronger peak. Gaga was literally everywhere in 2010. Actually inescapable. Of course, Britney was too in 1999 but the hype leading up to Gaga’s second album was second only to 25 within the last 25 years. Britney had more highs than Gaga though. Wasn't Britney everywhere and inescapable for a long time too though? ...Baby One More Time topped the chart all around the world simultaneously and she instantly became one the biggest female pop stars in history. When Britney first appeared 20 years ago, the internet wasn't as big and wide as it is now, which makes her instant WW domination much more impressive. And even during her breakdown, she was EVERYWHERE and no one could escape from her. Of course, that period of her life wasn't really about her music but she was the biggest name in Hollywood, which is totally relevant to this conversaion IMO. She was so iconic and famous that even her worst TV performance and this following thingy became pop culture moments... Her impact. And as for Gaga - she was and still is one of the biggest artists in pop music, that's for sure. But even when she was at her peak, Adele and Taylor Swift sold more albums and Katy Perry and Rihanna produced more hits than Gaga did. All four artists had their moments around the same time and they are all legendary superstar pop icons etc and that's why I think Britney was bigger than Gaga during her peak. She was just untouchable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 6:30:25 GMT -5
I was alive during Gaga peak and just born during Britney's but I feel like Britney had a Lot more lasting impact
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Post by shayonce on Nov 22, 2018 7:08:04 GMT -5
interesting argument. I agree that gaga' peak had wider demographic and reach while Britney was more about teen pop/pop audience. also it was more easy for popstar/celebrity to have bigger and exclusive trend/hotness back then with less competition,news cycle.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 22, 2018 7:16:14 GMT -5
It’s not disrespectful to Britney to say Gaga had a stronger peak. Gaga was literally everywhere in 2010. Actually inescapable. Of course, Britney was too in 1999 but the hype leading up to Gaga’s second album was second only to 25 within the last 25 years. Britney had more highs than Gaga though. Wasn't Britney everywhere and inescapable for a long time too though? ...Baby One More Time topped the chart all around the world simultaneously and she instantly became one the biggest female pop stars in history. When Britney first appeared 20 years ago, the internet wasn't as big and wide as it is now, which makes her instant WW domination much more impressive. That's a good point too. I guess my argument is that it's not as clear as some are saying. I'm also confused as to why some are referring to career-length as a point when the question is specifically about peak, which is that one short period of time when each were at their highest point, regardless of any other point of the career. Psy could be said to have a higher peak than either of these two and his career (in North America) consists of basically one peak and nothing else.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 22, 2018 7:52:06 GMT -5
I was 16-18 when Britney was a huge force and didn't think she was THAT groundbreaking but played the game extremely well, that said, I think her artistry is often underestimated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 10:05:17 GMT -5
I’m having an aneurism what the f**k
Why are we doing this it is thanksgiving
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Post by think pink. on Nov 22, 2018 10:22:34 GMT -5
Using chart performance as a defense is irrelevant when discussing this kind of thing. ‘Oops’ may have peaked at #9, but it’s arguably one of the most iconic pop songs of all-time. Idk when Pulse will understand that a Billboard peak isn’t the definitive answer to a song/album/artist’s success or impact. !
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 22, 2018 23:53:56 GMT -5
Britney has had an impact for a longer time, but you cant deny the impact that Gaga has had since 2008. If it was one year ago I would give the edge to Britney but with the success of A Star Is Born this year, you can make a case for Gaga.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 23, 2018 1:30:13 GMT -5
Britney has had an impact for a longer time, but you cant deny the impact that Gaga has had since 2008. If it was one year ago I would give the edge to Britney but with the success of A Star Is Born this year, you can make a case for Gaga. But...ASIB isn’t her peak. And nobody’s denying Gaga’s impact. Girl what are you reading
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 10:22:59 GMT -5
God knows I love Gaga but the only time Gaga and Britney should be in the same sentence is when Gaga tweets her and says thank you Britney Spears for carrying us girls for so long. All the blonde bitches Mandy Moore, Justin Timberlake, Jessica Simpson, Beyonce, Christina.
Britney was THAT bitch. Don't let the quivering voice and creaky hips fool you!
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Post by Unhinged on Nov 23, 2018 16:21:31 GMT -5
Britney Spears. Her arrival literally launched and killed careers.
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Post by ampersand on Nov 23, 2018 21:38:34 GMT -5
Lady Gaga was omnipresent at her peak, Britney was not. You're kidding, right? Britney was ubiquitous in the media and musically for nearly a decade straight. Even if we're only considering 1999-2001 as her peak, you could not escape her then. This is not to detract from GaGa's success at all, but I just don't see you can say she was omnipresent and Britney was not.
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Post by think pink. on Nov 23, 2018 22:01:49 GMT -5
Britney Spears. Her arrival literally launched and killed careers. It was game over after this
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Post by think pink. on Nov 23, 2018 22:06:50 GMT -5
I'd also like to mention that Britney's impact was so big that record labels started to launch their own "Anti-Britney"s when their Britney wannabes failed to get the job done.
Avril, Michelle Branch, Vanessa Carlton etc. All were hailed as the "Anti Britney" and the end of Britney Spears.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 23, 2018 22:21:26 GMT -5
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Nov 24, 2018 0:23:00 GMT -5
I'd also like to mention that Britney's impact was so big that record labels started to launch their own "Anti-Britney"s when their Britney wannabes failed to get the job done. Avril, Michelle Branch, Vanessa Carlton etc. All were hailed as the "Anti Britney" and the end of Britney Spears. This is a fantastic point to be made.
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Post by SHOOTER on Nov 24, 2018 5:33:25 GMT -5
Keep it simple and call me when Gaga goes Diamond once, let alone back to back, and then we can talk.
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Post by rockgolf on Nov 24, 2018 9:05:41 GMT -5
Keep it simple and call me when Gaga goes Diamond once, let alone back to back, and then we can talk. That's like saying call me when a Tesla outsells the Model T. It's a different era, and different rules apply. Had album sales across the industry been at the same level in 2010 as they had in 2000, Born This Way and The Fame Monster would likely have also gone Diamond.
But albums just don't sell like that anymore. Go to a Tower Records store. What's that you say? They went out of business? Okay, check the music section at Best Buy. What? They don't sell music either anymore? If Britney's albums first came out these days, they'd be lucky to go Platinum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 9:24:45 GMT -5
Keep it simple and call me when Gaga goes Diamond once, let alone back to back, and then we can talk. That's like saying call me when a Tesla outsells the Model T. It's a different era, and different rules apply. Had album sales across the industry been at the same level in 2010 as they had in 2000, Born This Way and The Fame Monster would likely have also gone Diamond. You dropped your Trebuchet.
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Post by rockgolf on Nov 24, 2018 9:35:05 GMT -5
That's like saying call me when a Tesla outsells the Model T. It's a different era, and different rules apply. Had album sales across the industry been at the same level in 2010 as they had in 2000, Born This Way and The Fame Monster would likely have also gone Diamond. You dropped your Trebuchet. Noooooooooooooo! :o
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