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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 13:44:04 GMT -5
I'd also like to mention that Britney's impact was so big that record labels started to launch their own "Anti-Britney"s when their Britney wannabes failed to get the job done. Avril, Michelle Branch, Vanessa Carlton etc. All were hailed as the "Anti Britney" and the end of Britney Spears. Wasn't Adele seen as an anti-Gaga in 2011? I remember seeing her success used to discredit Gaga everywhere the same way those girls were used to discredit Britney. Regarding the sales component, comparing Gaga's album sales is about as fair as comparing her single sales to Britney. They were different sales climate and it helped out Gaga with her digital sales and hurt her album sales and vice-versa for Britney. I think they were pretty equal in that compartment. What makes Gaga's peak seem slightly higher to me is her awards attention at the time and level of respect she had at the time(3 AOTY nominations in a row are legitimately legendary and something no popstar had ever done before) and her appeal was broader(Britney was more limited to young children). Now that peak lasted maybe 1-2 years and her falloff was far harder than what Britney experienced, so I can understand why people would vote for Britney cause she had a much longer time at the top than Gaga ever did. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 16:29:23 GMT -5
Adele was never marketed as the anti-Gaga, or at least this wasn’t a label marketing strategy. That was public perception and relegated to niche online communities and Williams-Sonoma Home subscribers. Still, point stands: where Gaga had maybe one “anti-Gaga” run against her, Britney had several. That speaks volumes not because Spears was cannabalizing the pop market, but because she persisted in an era that was heavily dominated by acts who were actively working to be her antithesis.
People also underestimate Britney’s demographic appeal. HOW many videos did she have retired on TRL again? I lost count.
Wrt single sales, keep in mind digital sales, something Spears excelled in as early as her Britney album, were not counted or recorded on Billboard prior to, like, after “Toxic” for dumbass reason. Unsure on RIAA, but I believe it was the case for them as well. People don’t like to acknowledge this because they weren’t alive for it.
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Post by collegedropout on Nov 24, 2018 16:41:52 GMT -5
One could argue artists like Lorde were also "anti-Gaga" in the eyes of record labels. One could argue Beyonce's 2013 album drop was an "anti-Gaga" move as well.
One other difference worth pointing out that wasn't mentioned yet, was that everyone LOVED Britney or at least sympathize with her. Whereas Gaga was more polarizing.
Also I think with Britney her debut single/video and then a couple other moments (Snake, kiss, Slave) were heavily discussed. But with Gaga it was move after move after move that created so much discourse, think pieces, etc. Literally every move she made at one point was a big topic. She even had university courses based off her.
I think the fact that Gaga's peak reached a wider population and level of respect gives her the edge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 16:43:41 GMT -5
One could argue artists like Lorde were also "anti-Gaga" in the eyes of record labels. One could argue Beyonce's 2013 album drop was an "anti-Gaga" move as well. One could, but one would look stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 16:47:44 GMT -5
Adele was never marketed as the anti-Gaga, or at least this wasn’t a label marketing strategy. That was public perception and relegated to niche online communities and Williams-Sonoma Home subscribers. Still, point stands: where Gaga had maybe one “anti-Gaga” run against her, Britney had several. That speaks volumes not because Spears was cannabalizing the pop market, but because she persisted in an era that was heavily dominated by acts who were actively working to be her antithesis. People also underestimate Britney’s demographic appeal. HOW many videos did she have retired on TRL again? I lost count. Wrt single sales, keep in mind digital sales, something Spears excelled in as early as her Britney album, were not counted or recorded on Billboard prior to, like, after “Toxic” for dumbass reason. Unsure on RIAA, but I believe it was the case for them as well. People don’t like to acknowledge this because they weren’t alive for it. You know what... I completely forgot about the digital sales not counting for Billboard while Britney was excelling in them. I meant more-so in terms of Gaga having super high digital sales during 2009 when they were peaking the same way Britney had super high album sales in the 90s early 2000s cause that's when album sales were peaking. But that's a really good point you bring up and has me thinking my logic has been a bit faulty in thinking Gaga had a higher peak. I also get what you mean about there being a big difference in Adele being perceived as the anti-gaga instead of being marketed as one, the fact that britney was used to market her antithesis shows far more impact. In all honestly I remember Gaga's peak vividly because that was when I started really paying attention to pop culture and charts so she seemed like such a mammoth and nothing I've really seen before, and Britney's peak came before I cared about any of that s**t so even though I remember her peak when I was a kid I didn't give it the same amount of attention and I think that's probably why I think Gaga peaked higher even though when looking at all the stats... Britney comes out on top. I tried it but ya'll came well prepared and shut this down quickly. Britney wins close the thread. |
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Post by amore on Nov 24, 2018 16:54:04 GMT -5
Adele was never marketed as the anti-Gaga, or at least this wasn’t a label marketing strategy. That was public perception and relegated to niche online communities and Williams-Sonoma Home subscribers. Still, point stands: where Gaga had maybe one “anti-Gaga” run against her, Britney had several. That speaks volumes not because Spears was cannabalizing the pop market, but because she persisted in an era that was heavily dominated by acts who were actively working to be her antithesis. People also underestimate Britney’s demographic appeal. HOW many videos did she have retired on TRL again? I lost count. Wrt single sales, keep in mind digital sales, something Spears excelled in as early as her Britney album, were not counted or recorded on Billboard prior to, like, after “Toxic” for dumbass reason. Unsure on RIAA, but I believe it was the case for them as well. People don’t like to acknowledge this because they weren’t alive for it. You know what... I completely forgot about the digital sales not counting for Billboard while Britney was excelling in them. I meant more-so in terms of Gaga having super high digital sales during 2009 when they were peaking the same way Britney had super high album sales in the 90s early 2000s cause that's when album sales were peaking. But that's a really good point you bring up and has me thinking my logic has been a bit faulty in thinking Gaga had a higher peak. I also get what you mean about there being a big difference in Adele being perceived as the anti-gaga instead of being marketed as one, the fact that britney was used to market her antithesis shows far more impact. In all honestly I remember Gaga's peak vividly because that was when I started really paying attention to pop culture and charts so she seemed like such a mammoth and nothing I've really seen before, and Britney's peak came before I cared about any of that s**t so even though I remember her peak when I was a kid I didn't give it the same amount of attention and I think that's probably why I think Gaga peaked higher even though when looking at all the stats... Britney comes out on top. I tried it but ya'll came well prepared and shut this down quickly. Britney wins close the thread. Alrighty. I hope one of the mods can close the thread now. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INPUT. |
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Post by Exclusive on Nov 25, 2018 17:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Nov 25, 2018 18:26:44 GMT -5
One could argue artists like Lorde were also "anti-Gaga" in the eyes of record labels. One could argue Beyonce's 2013 album drop was an "anti-Gaga" move as well. One other difference worth pointing out that wasn't mentioned yet, was that everyone LOVED Britney or at least sympathize with her. Whereas Gaga was more polarizing. Also I think with Britney her debut single/video and then a couple other moments (Snake, kiss, Slave) were heavily discussed. But with Gaga it was move after move after move that created so much discourse, think pieces, etc. Literally every move she made at one point was a big topic. She even had university courses based off her. I think the fact that Gaga's peak reached a wider population and level of respect gives her the edge. I’d like to see the argument that Beyonce album was anti gaga |
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Post by collegedropout on Nov 25, 2018 22:05:06 GMT -5
One could argue artists like Lorde were also "anti-Gaga" in the eyes of record labels. One could argue Beyonce's 2013 album drop was an "anti-Gaga" move as well. One other difference worth pointing out that wasn't mentioned yet, was that everyone LOVED Britney or at least sympathize with her. Whereas Gaga was more polarizing. Also I think with Britney her debut single/video and then a couple other moments (Snake, kiss, Slave) were heavily discussed. But with Gaga it was move after move after move that created so much discourse, think pieces, etc. Literally every move she made at one point was a big topic. She even had university courses based off her. I think the fact that Gaga's peak reached a wider population and level of respect gives her the edge. I’d like to see the argument that Beyonce album was anti gaga I'm talking about the release. Not the content. There were a few articles that mentioned how many artists, Lady Gaga especially, were trying to out do their album release campaigns. Then Beyonce went and did the exact opposite. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 22:15:23 GMT -5
I’d like to see the argument that Beyonce album was anti gaga I'm talking about the release. Not the content. There were a few articles that mentioned how many artists, Lady Gaga especially, were trying to out do their album release campaigns. Then Beyonce went and did the exact opposite. I’d hardly call a calculated surprise release that was heavily marketed as such by both the media and label the antithesis of an album release campaign. |
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Post by collegedropout on Nov 25, 2018 22:40:52 GMT -5
I'm talking about the release. Not the content. There were a few articles that mentioned how many artists, Lady Gaga especially, were trying to out do their album release campaigns. Then Beyonce went and did the exact opposite. I’d hardly call a calculated surprise release that was heavily marketed as such by both the media and label the antithesis of an album release campaign. There were a few articles that brought it up back in 2013. You are free to disagree with them though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 22:58:59 GMT -5
I’d hardly call a calculated surprise release that was heavily marketed as such by both the media and label the antithesis of an album release campaign. There were a few articles that brought it up back in 2013. You are free to disagree with them though. That’s precisely what I’m doing if they’re singling Gaga out. The sentiment that Beyoncé went against the mainstream is fine and well, because it was an unconventional release strategy; but to argue that it wasn’t to garner attention (it explicitly was) and was targeting Gaga specifically is baseless. Using Gaga as an example of a conventional release strategy when discussing Beyoncé’s release doesn’t mean anyone was saying she was “anti-Gaga,” though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 23:49:39 GMT -5
I don't understand why people discuss stuff still and not take my word for things. Mariah and Britney are the only two artists since the clock struck 1990 and beyond that are unquestionably above the rest since. We are not qualified to rate them, judge them or debate them
All these hoes since are either inspired by Mariah vocals and music or Britney's feet and music. That's it. That's your answer to peak and all that mess .
Call me when your favs make hits , multiple hits and sustain that for long period of time.
Who exactly has Gaha peak inspired other than a case of mad cow disease.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 26, 2018 9:53:11 GMT -5
Britney.
She was consistently successful an entire decade while Gaga's career crashed and burned four years after she blew up. ASIB is her saving grace at the moment but that is in no way an indication of the GP's interest in Gaga the solo artist.
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Post by Caviar on Nov 26, 2018 10:21:25 GMT -5
Can't believe this is still up for debate. Lady Gaga takes this in a landslide. She's far more credible as not only a LIVE artist, she also plays her own instruments, writes her own songs, and will soon be an Oscar nominated actress more than 10 years into her career. No one even came close to her during the TFM/BTW era. Her music videos were EVENTS! Vevo wouldn't exist without her. She shaped an entire generation of artists and her influence is still being felt today.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 26, 2018 12:38:29 GMT -5
Can't believe this is still up for debate. Lady Gaga takes this in a landslide. She's far more credible as not only a LIVE artist, she also plays her own instruments, writes her own songs, and will soon be an Oscar nominated actress more than 10 years into her career. No one even came close to her during the TFM/BTW era. Her music videos were EVENTS! Vevo wouldn't exist without her. She shaped an entire generation of artists and her influence is still being felt today. We're not debating over who's more talented, though. |
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Post by Choco on Nov 26, 2018 13:36:10 GMT -5
What's the question again?
Gaga is more talented, a better singer and actress, and The Fame Monster is easily the best album out of both of their discographies.
But Britney was a much bigger deal for a much longer span of time, not always for the right reasons, but still. 2007 Britney was everywhere for the wrong reasons. Early 2000s Britney was selling out tours and smashing sales records.
Bad Romance is probably Gaga's most iconic song and video, but I'd say Britney's ...BOMT is still more iconic.
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Post by Okay on Nov 26, 2018 13:42:02 GMT -5
If this is about their peaks, then I'd say Britney
While I feel Lady Gaga will ultimately have a much more successful career in the long run, Britney's most iconic songs will definitely be remembered more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 13:54:20 GMT -5
Britney. She was consistently successful an entire decade while Gaga's career crashed and burned four years after she blew up. So, I’m not sure I’d say this is exactly fair even if I do think her star power took a significant hit. It also doesn’t really matter how long their respective careers lasted when asking the question of who was bigger, it matters who was bigger at their peak. It’s still Britney lol, but lets be fair to both. Speaking of: Can't believe this is still up for debate. Lady Gaga takes this in a landslide. She's far more credible as not only a LIVE artist, she also plays her own instruments, writes her own songs, and will soon be an Oscar nominated actress more than 10 years into her career. No one even came close to her during the TFM/BTW era. Her music videos were EVENTS! Vevo wouldn't exist without her. She shaped an entire generation of artists and her influence is still being felt today.  |
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 26, 2018 14:24:49 GMT -5
Can't believe this is still up for debate. Lady Gaga takes this in a landslide. She's far more credible as not only a LIVE artist, she also plays her own instruments, writes her own songs, and will soon be an Oscar nominated actress more than 10 years into her career. No one even came close to her during the TFM/BTW era. Her music videos were EVENTS! Vevo wouldn't exist without her. She shaped an entire generation of artists and her influence is still being felt today. Ok yeah but this says nothing about who was bigger at their peak and that answer is Britney. |
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Post by Caviar on Nov 26, 2018 14:27:08 GMT -5
Can't believe this is still up for debate. Lady Gaga takes this in a landslide. She's far more credible as not only a LIVE artist, she also plays her own instruments, writes her own songs, and will soon be an Oscar nominated actress more than 10 years into her career. No one even came close to her during the TFM/BTW era. Her music videos were EVENTS! Vevo wouldn't exist without her. She shaped an entire generation of artists and her influence is still being felt today. Ok yeah but this says nothing about who was bigger at their peak and that answer is Britney. It's not Gaga |
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Post by Ryan on Nov 26, 2018 14:40:20 GMT -5
Can't believe this is still up for debate. Lady Gaga takes this in a landslide. She's far more credible as not only a LIVE artist, she also plays her own instruments, writes her own songs, and will soon be an Oscar nominated actress more than 10 years into her career. No one even came close to her during the TFM/BTW era. Her music videos were EVENTS! Vevo wouldn't exist without her. She shaped an entire generation of artists and her influence is still being felt today.I'm just gonna leave this here. |
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Post by BDGeek on Nov 26, 2018 14:47:04 GMT -5
a Billboard peak isn’t the definitive answer to a song/album/artist’s success or impact. I want to pin this to the first page of every thread on this board. YES. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 15:01:13 GMT -5
I’m just laughing at the idea that Gaga videos were anymore eventful than the literal queen of TRL That is BOLD |
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Post by BDGeek on Nov 26, 2018 15:11:18 GMT -5
God knows I love Gaga but the only time Gaga and Britney should be in the same sentence is when Gaga tweets her and says thank you Britney Spears for carrying us girls for so long. All the blonde bitches Mandy Moore, Justin Timberlake, Jessica Simpson, Beyonce, Christina. |
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Post by #brayden on Nov 26, 2018 16:14:05 GMT -5
I think a good case could be made for either one, honestly. They both peaked early commercially - Britney with …Baby One More Time & Oops!... I Did It Again, and Gaga with The Fame & The Fame Monster. I’d give the edge to Britney, but I don’t think either wins by a significant margin here. Both were/are extremely popular and, in their prime, captured the world’s attention in a way that most artists can only dream of.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 29, 2018 8:33:08 GMT -5
Haha, I love these threads. So many riled up folks. I've always thought Britney's legacy has been over-exaggerated to hell and back on this forum. Love her to pieces and she was massive for a moment in time, but she's simply not going down as one of the greats. You wanna sit on a throne with Michael, Janet, Madonna, Mariah, Prince, etc. you have to bring way more to the table than what she has. But the jury is still out on Gaga on that front too.
In terms of who felt bigger when they were at their absolute peaks, I'd have to go with Britney. People were there for Gaga's theatrics and her stunts, but were they ever actually there for her? No, not like they were for Britney. Which is what ended up imploding Gaga's career there for a little bit. The stunts stopped stunting and the music lost focus because of it. And it's why she had to completely rebrand to what she is now. It's gonna be interesting to see if Gaga can keep this train on the tracks with her next album though, she may end up having longevity on her side, who knows.
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Post by sbk on Feb 8, 2019 15:05:37 GMT -5
The one that's still relevant in her 30s
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Post by alpha on Mar 24, 2019 14:36:37 GMT -5
The one that's still relevant in her 30s Britney inspired everyone to start a residency in Vegas, including Gaga herself, as well as Mariah Carey, and even artists in in other categories like Cardi B, Drake, and Sir Elton John (this decade). I give credit for Celine doing it in the 2000s and again recently, and being the first non-has been overall. Britney Spears was also featured in a presidential election campaign advertisement for the late John McCain’s 2008 run, dubbing Britney and Paris as the “most famous people in the world”, supposedly after some of you *wrongly* claimed her “peak was over” after 2001. m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHXYsw_ZDXg&time_continue=3Last time I checked, Circus was a No. 1, album in 2008, as was her single “3” released with her Singles Collection in 2009. Britney ruled the 2000s, and would have released more music, if her record company let her. Let’s not forget, the mystery behind Original Doll is still to this day one of those unanswered pop culture (not just pop music) mysteries. People didn’t quite care as much when Gaga wasn’t putting out music as often. They just moved on, and then she had to “come back” for people to show interest. Britney is famous because she tries and people care, Gaga is famous when she tries and when people decide if they want to still care. This can be seen in Blackout, where Britney was the Executive Producer of her music, and didn’t let her personal problems prevent her from releasing Radar as a single, as she included it in her Circus album. She is persistent, and knows how to take control of her career, even amidst personal rough patches. Britney is seen as a survivor whom has paid her dues and then some, she has a legacy established within the first 6 years of her career as can be seen by her VMA performances from 1999-2003 (1998’s Baby... One More Time as a single, not album, was post-VMA September / August 1998). Gaga had lots of promotion. But that didn’t save Art Pop. I remember back then everyone was talking about it, and featuring her from SNL, to The Muppets, but it was more of a telling tale of lots of promotion for the “machine” that is the music industry, than a telling of whether people were sick of her overexposure. Remember, when it comes to record sales, I qualify them as a vote. If her own fans will not spend money on her albums, they are not voting for her success, and are interested in spending their money elsewhere, be it a different artist or no one at all. Overall, Britney was overexposed, but not to the point people were sick of her, if anything people saw she was overexposed and felt sorry for the way the media did that to her. Lady Gaga was overexposed and it simply backfired. Gaga is seen as more Multi-faceted, but based on what exactly? Britney has done pop, jazz, reggae, rap, hip-hop, ballads, great covers of songs like “I Can’t Get No Satisfaction”, and inspired many people to cover her songs across talent shows, whether the winners of The X Factor US Season 3, or The Voice. Basically, when people think of Lady Gaga, they know she is talented as an above average singer, dancer, actress, and when people think of Britney Spears, they know she is an artist that makes people want to have the career she had, and that if she can handle Hollywood, short marriages, raise 2 children, and be considered one of the most successful artists of all time, (and the highest selling female artist of 2000-2009), then she has the legacy people would want to create for themselves. Gaga has ups and downs, and sudden bursts of fame, Britney inspired people to want to be in the same position she is in. Who sounds more like a legacy worth following? Gaga made an album or 2 about how fame can be a monster, Britney conquered the monster, and then some. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 24, 2019 15:29:24 GMT -5
I wanna say Welcome Back Kunt but that post is almost too soft.
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