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Post by Enigma. on Feb 3, 2019 11:56:00 GMT -5
Katy outdid Queen, liberation, and the Britney albums no question asked. Queen is still on BB200, at #55 (24 weeks in). That's way way way way way more longevity than Witness got.
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Post by Soulsista on Feb 3, 2019 11:56:58 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
February 2, 1959 (For the week ending February 7)
01 01 Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - The Platters (3rd and final week at #1) 02 12 The All American Boy - Bill Parsons (Bobby Bare) 03 03 Donna - Ritchie Valens 04 04 16 Candles - The Crests 05 05 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 06 02 My Happiness - Connie Francis 07 06 Gotta Travel On - Billy Grammer 08 08 Lonely Teardrops - Jackie Wilson 09 07 A Lover's Question - Clyde McPhatter 10 09 Goodbye Baby - Jack Scott
13 41 Tall Paul - Annette & The Afterbeats
February 8, 1964
01 01 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles (2nd of 7 weeks at #1) 02 02 You Don't Own Me - Lesley Gore 03 03 Out Of Limits - The Marketts 04 05 Hey Little Cobra - The Rip Chords 05 08 Um Um Um Um Um Um - Major Lance 06 04 Surfin' Bird - The Trashmen 07 21 She Loves You - The Beatles 08 10 For You - Rick Nelson 09 09 Anyone Who Had a Heart - Dionne Warwick 10 07 There! I've Said It Again - Bobby Vinton
24 75 Dawn - The Four Seasons
February 8, 1969
01 01 Crimson And Clover - Tommy James & The Shondells (2nd and final week at #1) 02 02 Everyday People - Sly & The Family Stone 03 03 The Worst That Could Happen - Brooklyn Bridge 04 04 Touch Me - The Doors 05 10 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 06 07 I Started a Joke - The Bee Gees 07 05 I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 08 06 I'm Gonna Make You Love Me - Diana Ross & The Supremes & The Temptations 09 13 Hang 'Em High - Booker T. & The MG's 10 11 Can I Change My Mind - Tyrone Davis
February 9, 1974
01 03 Love's Theme - The Love Unlimited Orchestra (1st and only week at #1) 02 01 The Way We Were - Barbra Streisand 03 02 You're Sixteen - Ringo Starr 04 05 Americans - Byron MacGregor 05 08 Until You Come Back To Me (That's What I'm Gonna Do) - Aretha Franklin 06 07 Let Me Be There - Olivia Newton-John 07 10 Spiders And Snakes - Jim Stafford 08 04 Show & Tell - Al Wilson 09 06 I've Got To Use My Imagination - Gladys Knight & The Pips 10 14 Jungle Boogie - Kool & The Gang
February 10, 1979
01 03 Da Ya Think I'm Sexy? - Rod Stewart (1st of 4 weeks at #1) 02 02 Y.M.C.A. - The Village People 03 01 Le Freak - Chic 04 04 A Little More Love - Olivia Newton-John 05 08 Fire - The Pointer Sisters 06 07 Every 1's a Winner - Hot Chocolate 07 10 I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor 08 09 September - Earth, Wind & Fire 09 05 Too Much Heaven - The Bee Gees 10 11 Lotta Love - Nicolette Larson
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Post by Choco on Feb 3, 2019 12:16:34 GMT -5
Feels, one kiss, & slide all went top 10 on pop radio. The US is pretty receptive to Calvin. Not as much as Europe, but it certainly gives success to non Rihanna songs Sure but comparatively they pay him dust. "Feels" is the only one that made top 20 at all on the Hot 100, easily it's lowest peak on any major English speaking music market (#1 UK, #5 Canada, #3 Australia, #3 Ireland, even #5 in Spain, etc...) "One Kiss" was one of the biggest 2018 hits everywhere but the US. According to Mediatraffic, out of the 20 biggest 2018 hits only three failed to make top 20 on the Hot 100: "One Kiss" at #5, Clean Bandit's "Solo" at #17... and Mr. Calvin Harris again at #18 with "Promises" (which stalled at #65 on the Hot 100).
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Post by Soulsista on Feb 3, 2019 12:18:08 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
February 11, 1984
01 01 Karma Chameleon - Culture Club (2nd of 3 weeks at #1) 02 04 Joanna - Kool & The Gang 03 03 Talking In Your Sleep - The Romantics 04 02 Owner Of a Lonely Heart - Yes 05 11 Jump - Van Halen 06 08 That's All - Genesis 07 07 Running With The Night - Lionel Richie 08 10 Pink Houses - John Cougar Mellencamp 09 09 Think Of Laura - Christopher Cross 10 06 I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues - Elton John
20 NE Thriller - Michael Jackson
February 11, 1989
01 02 Straight Up - Paula Abdul (1st of 3 weeks at #1) 02 01 When I'm With You - Sheriff 03 05 Wild Thing - Tone-Loc 04 04 Born To Be My Baby - Bon Jovi 05 03 When The Children Cry - White Lion 06 09 All This Time - Tiffany 07 12 The Lover In Me - Sheena Easton 08 11 I Wanna Have Some Fun - Samantha Fox 09 14 She Wants To Dance With Me - Rick Astley 10 15 Walking Away - The Information Society
February 12, 1994
01 03 The Power Of Love - Celine Dion (1st of 4 weeks at #1) 02 01 All For Love - Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart & Sting 03 04 Breathe Again - Toni Braxton 04 02 Hero - Mariah Carey 05 05 The Sign - Ace Of Base 06 16 Whatta Man - Salt-N-Pepa feat. En Vogue 07 11 Getto Jam - Domino 08 12 Linger - The Cranberries 09 07 Said I Loved You...But I Lied - Michael Bolton 10 06 All That She Wants - Ace Of Base
12 35 Without You / Never Forget You - Mariah Carey
February 6, 1999
01 01 ...Baby One More Time - Britney Spears (2nd and final week at #1) 02 06 Angel Of Mine - Monica 03 02 Have You Ever? - Brandy 04 03 Nobody's Supposed To Be Here - Deborah Cox 05 57 All I Have To Give - The Backstreet Boys 06 04 I'm Your Angel - R. Kelly & Celine Dion 07 05 Jumper - Third Eye Blind 08 11 Angel - Sarah McLachlan 09 07 Save Tonight - Eagle-Eye Cherry 10 08 Hands - Jewel
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Post by Soulsista on Feb 3, 2019 12:38:59 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback:
February 7, 2004
01 01 Hey Ya! - Outkast (9th and final week at #1) 02 02 The Way You Move - Outkast feat. Sleepy Brown 03 04 Slow Jamz - Twista feat. Kanye West & Jamie Foxx 04 03 You Don't Know My Name - Alicia Keys 05 06 Me, Myself And I - Beyonce 06 07 Yeah! - Usher feat. Ludacris & Lil Jon 07 05 Milkshake - Kelis 08 08 Someday - Nickelback 09 11 Here Without You - 3 Doors Down 10 10 It's My Life - No Doubt
February 7, 2009
01 97 My Life Would Suck Without You - Kelly Clarkson (1st of 2 weeks at #1) 02 01 Just Dance - Lady Gaga feat. Colby O'Donis 03 02 Single Ladies (Put a Ring On It) - Beyonce 04 03 Heartless - Kanye West 05 05 Love Story - Taylor Swift 06 06 Gives You Hell - The All-American Rejects 07 04 Live Your Life - T.I. feat. Rihanna 08 16 You Found Me - The Fray 09 10 Circus - Britney Spears 10 07 I'm Yours - Jason Mraz
February 8, 2014
01 02 Dark Horse - Katy Perry feat. Juicy J (1st of 4 weeks at #1) 02 01 Timber - Pitbull feat. Ke$ha 03 03 Counting Stars - OneRepublic 04 04 Say Something - A Great Big World feat. Christina Aguilera 05 05 The Monster - Eminem feat. Rihanna 06 15 Talk Dirty - Jason Derulo feat. 2 Chainz 07 06 Let Her Go - Passenger 08 08 Team - Lorde 09 07 Royals - Lorde 10 10 Pompeii - Bastille
February 10, 2018
01 01 God's Plan - Drake (2nd of 11 weeks at #1) 02 02 Perfect - Ed Sheeran 03 05 Finesse - Bruno Mars & Cardi B 04 03 Havana - Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug 05 04 Rockstar - Post Malone feat. 21 Savage 06 06 Bad At Love - Halsey 07 08 New Rules - Dua Lipa 08 11 MotorSport - Migos, Nicki Minaj & Cardi B 09 NE Say Something - Justin Timberlake feat. Chris Stapleton 10 09 Thunder - Imagine Dragons
12 52 Stir Fry - Migos 18 NE Walk It Talk It - Migos feat. Drake 23 NE The Middle - Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey
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Post by renaboss on Feb 3, 2019 13:18:52 GMT -5
"Y.M.C.A." not getting that #1 is why America is the way it is today.
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Feb 3, 2019 13:51:11 GMT -5
"Y.M.C.A." not getting that #1 is why America is the way it is today. lol
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Post by Gary on Feb 3, 2019 13:53:36 GMT -5
Not sure I understand
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Feb 3, 2019 14:02:34 GMT -5
Katy outdid Queen, liberation, and the Britney albums no question asked. Queen is still on BB200, at #55 (24 weeks in). That's way way way way way more longevity than Witness got. Also produced 2 top 10s... more than Katy Perry’s 1 week top 10
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 3, 2019 14:24:21 GMT -5
Queen is still on BB200, at #55 (24 weeks in). That's way way way way way more longevity than Witness got. Also produced 2 top 10s... more than Katy Perry’s 1 week top 10 Lmao, 1 Top 10. Chun-Li, which also was in the Top 10 for one week. CTTR actually had 2 weeks in the Top 10, it debuted at #4 and fell to #8 the next week. But most of it's run was spent in the the Top 20, it went 4-8-12-13-15-19-13-19-27-38-51-74-87-86-88-out. Which is still better than Chun-Li's performance. And you can't count Fefe because Nicki added that to the album afterwards in a last ditch attempt to get the album #1, which didn't work.
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Feb 3, 2019 14:26:46 GMT -5
Also produced 2 top 10s... more than Katy Perry’s 1 week top 10 Lmao, 1 Top 10. Chun-Li, which also was in the Top 10 for one week. CTTR actually had 2 weeks in the Top 10, it debuted at #4 and fell to #8 the next week. But most of it's run was spent in the the Top 20, it went 4-8-12-13-15-19-13-19-27-38-51-74-87-86-88-out. Which is still better than Chun-Li's performance. And you can't count Fefe because Nicki added that to the album afterwards in a last ditch attempt to get the album #1, which didn't work. still on the album tho... also if we count the whole Queen era vs the whole Witness era, Queen is much much bigger. And WOW 2 weeks in the top 10 what a big difference!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 15:02:13 GMT -5
Lmao, 1 Top 10. Chun-Li, which also was in the Top 10 for one week. CTTR actually had 2 weeks in the Top 10, it debuted at #4 and fell to #8 the next week. But most of it's run was spent in the the Top 20, it went 4-8-12-13-15-19-13-19-27-38-51-74-87-86-88-out. Which is still better than Chun-Li's performance. And you can't count Fefe because Nicki added that to the album afterwards in a last ditch attempt to get the album #1, which didn't work. still on the album tho... also if we count the whole Queen era vs the whole Witness era, Queen is much much bigger. And WOW 2 weeks in the top 10 what a big difference! Can ya'll stop this Nicki vs Katy bs They fucking friends In the long run, neither album did as well as their prior albums (though imo Queen > Witness, but that's not the point) Who gives a shit, ya'll creating an unnecessary messy Like STOP
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Post by Naos on Feb 3, 2019 15:04:23 GMT -5
One of the biggest Christmas acts out there. Yes, and they can't get a non-holiday hit. Buble is another. My point is holiday songs can exist separate from an artist's relevance otherwise. Because a cappella is all the craze these days. People want to hear zero guitar and piano on songs. They do fine enough for the genre they've placed themselves into. They still have several singles going Gold despite lack of airplay and streams. RCA only pushed one or two songs to radio, at best (and they're never going to be on a top streaming playlist), so they don't even get the chance to be heard by the audience mainstream acts do. Perry on the other hand is mainstream pop, through and through, and Capitol are likely still willing to push her songs for airplay and streaming.
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Post by Gary on Feb 3, 2019 15:09:29 GMT -5
Yeah they "can't get a non-holiday hit" because they aren't trying to
The Christmas albums seem to be doing fine
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Post by Naos on Feb 3, 2019 15:21:31 GMT -5
Yeah they "can't get a non-holiday hit" because they aren't trying to The Christmas albums seem to be doing fine Even their non-holiday albums do decently. Literally, every release aside from their debut EP has hit the Top 10.
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Post by Gary on Feb 3, 2019 15:29:32 GMT -5
yes - for some artists - singles are not the focus
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2019 15:29:55 GMT -5
This is a Hot 100 thread, not the Billboard 200.
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Post by Gary on Feb 3, 2019 15:35:55 GMT -5
Very good - Pentatonix (which you originally brought up) is an album act anyway Holiday singles or non-holiday singles or lack thereof is not what they do
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Post by Naos on Feb 3, 2019 15:42:27 GMT -5
This is a Hot 100 thread, not the Billboard 200. "I'm going to bring up a act who mainly focuses on and sells albums in the Hot 100 thread, then tell people not to talk about their albums". As has been stated already, they don't focus on their single releases. No streaming or radio pushes. Despite this, they've still achieved three singles going Gold. Katy Perry on the other hand, will attempt to push her singles to both streaming platforms and radio. They're not comparable.
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2019 16:08:01 GMT -5
“Witness” >>> “Queen”.
As an era overall, “Queen” had far more media exposure during its run and still majorly underperformed.
Albeit “Witness” flopped too, at least Perry was able garner a reasonably profitable tour in the end. Nicki Minaj’s tour thus far has been pushed back several times and not a single venue is sold out in any country across the world that its meant to visit. She’s still trying hard to find another successful co-headliner to try and salvage the already inevitable.
Moreover if we’re going to count “Fefe” for the “Queen” era then we can count “Feels” for the “Witness” era in which case the latter would certainly be ‘bigger’.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 3, 2019 16:23:11 GMT -5
Middle Child managed to be #5 in YouTube's weekly chart from its official audio.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 3, 2019 16:53:17 GMT -5
One of the biggest flop eras of all time? What? You clearly don't know what THE REAL FLOP IS. Witness has over 3 billion streams WW. Chained To The Rhythm 5.5 million SPS WW (2.1 million US)Bon Appetit 2.3 million WW (1 million US)Swish Swish 3.6 million WW (1.6 million US)
+ Feels Yeah, Roar has more streams and SPS than these 3 together, but still, it's not THAT BAD. CTTR performed ABYSMALLY? Okay. I like her music and imo, her last era was cringe af (not counting CTTR) and I had zero interest for Witness. With the right song and behavior and promotion, she'll be just fine. The “Witness” era remains one of the biggest flops of all-time across all platforms and it is certainly the biggest commercial failure (released by an alleged ‘A-list’ artist this decade) of the streaming era thus far. That's... false. There are literally albums from A-listers that failed to do half of Witness did. Witness sucks, I agree, but wow at this blatantly ignorant history rewriting to make you feel better about not liking an album or artist I guess? I can't think of any other reason to make up absolutely ridiculous statements like this.
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2019 17:15:34 GMT -5
The “Witness” era remains one of the biggest flops of all-time across all platforms and it is certainly the biggest commercial failure (released by an alleged ‘A-list’ artist this decade) of the streaming era thus far. That's... false. There are literally albums from A-listers that failed to do half of Witness did. Witness sucks, I agree, but wow at this blatantly ignorant history rewriting to make you feel better about not liking an album or artist I guess? I can't think of any other reason to make up absolutely ridiculous statements like this. LMAO. I said...what I said. The era itself remains one of the biggest flops of the decade across all platforms, especially in the U.S, and, yes, by an “A-list” act and that is an objective fact. “Witness” was Perry’s first album released in the crux of the streaming era and how did it fare in comparison to her peers releases ala.. Rihanna, Lady GaGa, Taylor Swift, Adele, Beyoncé, Ed Sheeran, Ariana Grande, P!nk and more? Only “Glory” and “Younger Now” is probably ahead of it overall (Nicki Minaj’s “Queen” is tied with “Witness I feel) and it’s definitely arguable, in 2019, as to whether Britney Spears is still an A-list artist. If you don’t like it, oh well. *Toodles*
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 3, 2019 17:25:00 GMT -5
LEAVE KATY PERRY ALONE!
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Post by iHype. on Feb 3, 2019 17:47:15 GMT -5
“Witness” > “Queen”. As an era overall, “Queen” had far more media exposure during its run and still majorly underperformed. Albeit “Witness” flopped too, at least Perry was able garner a reasonably profitable tour in the end. Nicki Minaj’s tour thus far has been pushed back several times and not a single venue is sold out in any country across the world that its meant to visit. She’s still trying hard to find another successful co-headliner to try and salvage the already inevitable. Moreover if we’re going to count “Fefe” for the “Queen” era then we can count “Feels” for the “Witness” era in which case the latter would certainly be ‘bigger’. Queen was definitely more successful than Witness. Witness was released a YEAR before, and it still only Gold-eligible, while Queen is Platinum. Even if FEFE had no counting, Queen would still be past Gold, and ahead of Witness. Katy was coming off a 4x Platinum-eligible era (PRISM) and Nicki was coming off a 2x Platinum-eligible era (Pinkprint). Touring success has no correlation to an era's success. There's a reason MDNA Tour broke records & grossed $300 million, and it certainly ain't because of the MDNA album. Touring is a separate endeavor which has more to do with an artists legacy, reception as a performer, etc. You also cannot compare a Pop tour, to a Hip-Hop tour. The two genres have largely different expectations in the touring industry.
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2019 18:00:11 GMT -5
“Witness” > “Queen”. As an era overall, “Queen” had far more media exposure during its run and still majorly underperformed. Albeit “Witness” flopped too, at least Perry was able garner a reasonably profitable tour in the end. Nicki Minaj’s tour thus far has been pushed back several times and not a single venue is sold out in any country across the world that its meant to visit. She’s still trying hard to find another successful co-headliner to try and salvage the already inevitable. Moreover if we’re going to count “Fefe” for the “Queen” era then we can count “Feels” for the “Witness” era in which case the latter would certainly be ‘bigger’. Queen was definitely more successful than Witness. Witness was released a YEAR before, and it still only Gold-eligible, while Queen is Platinum. Even if FEFE had no counting, Queen would still be past Gold, and ahead of Witness. Katy was coming off a 4x Platinum-eligible era (PRISM) and Nicki was coming off a 2x Platinum-eligible era (Pinkprint). Touring success has no correlation to an era's success. There's a reason MDNA Tour broke records & grossed $300 million, and it certainly ain't because of the MDNA album. Touring is a separate endeavor which has more to do with an artists legacy, reception as a performer, etc. You also cannot compare a Pop tour, to a Hip-Hop tour. The two genres have largely different expectations in the touring industry. Okay. Well, even though I stand corrected in this case, another one of my latter points still stand. The “Witness” era remains one of the biggest flop eras of the decade. The fact that it was released in Q2:2017 and is still only Gold-eligible is hilarious and yet others are still trying to debate its ‘success’? LMAO.
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Post by Naos on Feb 3, 2019 18:47:46 GMT -5
“Witness” > “Queen”. As an era overall, “Queen” had far more media exposure during its run and still majorly underperformed. Albeit “Witness” flopped too, at least Perry was able garner a reasonably profitable tour in the end. Nicki Minaj’s tour thus far has been pushed back several times and not a single venue is sold out in any country across the world that its meant to visit. She’s still trying hard to find another successful co-headliner to try and salvage the already inevitable. Moreover if we’re going to count “Fefe” for the “Queen” era then we can count “Feels” for the “Witness” era in which case the latter would certainly be ‘bigger’. Queen was definitely more successful than Witness. Witness was released a YEAR before, and it still only Gold-eligible, while Queen is Platinum. Even if FEFE had no counting, Queen would still be past Gold, and ahead of Witness. Katy was coming off a 4x Platinum-eligible era (PRISM) and Nicki was coming off a 2x Platinum-eligible era (Pinkprint). Touring success has no correlation to an era's success. There's a reason MDNA Tour broke records & grossed $300 million, and it certainly ain't because of the MDNA album. Touring is a separate endeavor which has more to do with an artists legacy, reception as a performer, etc. You also cannot compare a Pop tour, to a Hip-Hop tour. The two genres have largely different expectations in the touring industry. You say you can't compare a pop tour to a hip-hop tour, then you don't acknowledge the fact Queen is heavily inflated by streaming, due to being a hip-hop release.
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Post by iHype. on Feb 3, 2019 18:52:52 GMT -5
Queen was definitely more successful than Witness. Witness was released a YEAR before, and it still only Gold-eligible, while Queen is Platinum. Even if FEFE had no counting, Queen would still be past Gold, and ahead of Witness. Katy was coming off a 4x Platinum-eligible era (PRISM) and Nicki was coming off a 2x Platinum-eligible era (Pinkprint). Touring success has no correlation to an era's success. There's a reason MDNA Tour broke records & grossed $300 million, and it certainly ain't because of the MDNA album. Touring is a separate endeavor which has more to do with an artists legacy, reception as a performer, etc. You also cannot compare a Pop tour, to a Hip-Hop tour. The two genres have largely different expectations in the touring industry. You say you can't compare a pop tour to a hip-hop tour, then you don't acknowledge the fact Queen is heavily inflated by streaming, due to being a hip-hop release. That is a weak example, because Katy is a bigger streaming artist than Nicki Minaj is. More streams on YouTube/VEVO, Spotify, etc. So surely, using streaming to compare wouldn't be 'unfair' to her. Her era was just such a colossal underperformance that it even did terrible on streaming mostly.
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Post by kimberly on Feb 3, 2019 18:55:31 GMT -5
OMG this has gone too far Katy was the highest earning woman in music last year and that is the only fact that is relevant for her tbh.
Anyways 7 rings will be at #1 again. The remix is not helping much so we'll see how the 2/16 chart turns out.
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Post by Naos on Feb 3, 2019 18:56:26 GMT -5
You say you can't compare a pop tour to a hip-hop tour, then you don't acknowledge the fact Queen is heavily inflated by streaming, due to being a hip-hop release. That is weak logic, because Katy is a bigger streaming artist than Nicki Minaj is. More streams on YouTube/VEVO, Spotify, etc. So surely, streaming wouldn't be 'unfair' to her. Her era was just such a colossal underperformance that it even did terrible on streaming mostly. More streams overall... but what about the streaming era? Her high numbers in streaming is older hits, not recent material. And YouTube/VEVO don't contribute to albums anyway.
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