2020 Grammy Awards

[deepston]

Jan 22, 2020 0:52:32 GMT -5 Lumi said:

How much messier can this sh!t get?

Meanwhile we're still waiting for any of those so-called females performers to announce they aren't performing 

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 22, 2020 14:41:02 GMT -5 deepston said:

Jan 22, 2020 0:52:32 GMT -5 Lumi said:

How much messier can this sh!t get?

Meanwhile we're still waiting for any of those so-called females performers to announce they aren't performing 

So-called? What else would we call them?

[jenglisbe]

Jan 22, 2020 14:13:48 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Jan 22, 2020 9:31:53 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

The “boys club” thing is interesting since Adele, Norah Jones, etc have managed to sweep, and Taylor Swift, Lauryn Hill, etc have won big awards. The issue has been more in not recognizing R&B and hip-hop, which happens more in the final voting when all vote than it does in the nominations. Weird.

That's not weird at all. Adele, Norah Jones, and Taylor Swift were all 'safe,' acceptable choices who met the status quo. Lauryn, the last black woman to win the award, was literally over two decades ago but even if I pretend that example isn't hella outdated, her image was nonthreatening to older voters and very much fell in line with the respectability politics of the day (not to say she was purposely trying to play that game). Dixie Chicks are another group of ladies off the top of my head who likely did well because their image lined up perfectly with the academy's political POV at the time.

I'd argue that has to do with genre bias and perhaps even deep prejudice, which are different from sexism. It's not like male R&B and hip-hop artists were winning those awards either.

[deepston]

Jan 22, 2020 14:46:11 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jan 22, 2020 14:41:02 GMT -5 deepston said:

Meanwhile we're still waiting for any of those so-called females performers to announce they aren't performing 

So-called? What else would we call them?

I meant that in the sense of "female performers they are saying won't perform" lol Maybe my english is getting a little rusty 

[Deleted]

Jan 22, 2020 14:41:02 GMT -5 deepston said:

Meanwhile we're still waiting for any of those so-called females performers to announce they aren't performing 

Was the show through announcing performers when all hell broke loose? Right now we have 16 confirmed performance slots involving 24 people, compared to 18 performances involving 38 people for the 2019 show and 20 performances involving 42 people in 2018. There may have been some who were still negotiating or were going to be announced later, and now they're changing their minds.

HDD said Alicia was conflicted but still on board at the moment (aka she probably needed to talk to her own attorney and see if she even could get out of it contractually), and that thought naturally made me wonder if performers have the same issue with not being able to back out once they've committed to it. Usually for concerts and tours there's a clause that holds the performer financially liable if they cancel on the event, with a short exception list of emergencies (illness, death in the family, natural disaster) but I've never known if the same holds true for an award show.

Taylor and Gaga are missing from the performer list, and IMO that's particularly notable for Taylor because it seemed like she put more visible effort than usual into campaigning for SOTY this year. Gaga normally performs whenever she is nominated, save for 2012. Neither is on tour and Gaga is between residency legs.

Scooter isn't about to let Ariana or Demi pull out, lbr; Camila likewise has an exhaustingly aggressive management team who book her for everything possible and who likely wouldn't let her back out even if she wanted to. After Ariana and Demi, almost every female performer listed is new (Lizzo, Billie, Rosalia) or just breaking through as Grammy nominees after last year (Camila, Brandi and H.E.R.). The only two non-newbies are Tanya Tucker, who is performing with Brandi, and Bonnie Raitt, who is doing a tribute to John Prine and very unlikely to back out of honoring a friend.

When you actually look at the confirmed list more closely the show didn't really book any established A-list women outside of Ariana. It's just easy not to notice that because the newcomers are the biggest nominees this year.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 22, 2020 15:39:33 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Jan 22, 2020 14:41:02 GMT -5 deepston said:

Meanwhile we're still waiting for any of those so-called females performers to announce they aren't performing 

Was the show through announcing performers when all hell broke loose? Right now we have 16 confirmed performance slots involving 24 people, compared to 18 performances involving 38 people for the 2019 show and 20 performances involving 42 people in 2018. There may have been some who were still negotiating or were going to be announced later, and now they're changing their minds.

HDD said Alicia was conflicted but still on board at the moment (aka she probably needed to talk to her own attorney and see if she even could get out of it contractually), and that thought naturally made me wonder if performers have the same issue with not being able to back out once they've committed to it. Usually for concerts and tours there's a clause that holds the performer financially liable if they cancel on the event, with a short exception list of emergencies (illness, death in the family, natural disaster) but I've never known if the same holds true for an award show.

Taylor and Gaga are missing from the performer list, and IMO that's particularly notable for Taylor because it seemed like she put more visible effort than usual into campaigning for SOTY this year. Gaga normally performs whenever she is nominated, save for 2012. Neither is on tour and Gaga is between residency legs.

Scooter isn't about to let Ariana or Demi pull out, lbr; Camila likewise has an exhaustingly aggressive management team who book her for everything possible and who likely wouldn't let her back out even if she wanted to. After Ariana and Demi, almost every female performer listed is new (Lizzo, Billie, Rosalia) or just breaking through as Grammy nominees after last year (Camila, Brandi and H.E.R.). The only two non-newbies are Tanya Tucker, who is performing with Brandi, and Bonnie Raitt, who is doing a tribute to John Prine and very unlikely to back out of honoring a friend.

When you actually look at the confirmed list more closely the show didn't really book any established A-list women outside of Ariana. It's just easy not to notice that because the newcomers are the biggest nominees this year.

Gaga got to perform material from this project last year, so it may be she isn't performing due to redundancy (either on her part, or on NARAS' part). Similarly Green Day didn't perform the year they won ROTY but had performed material from that project the year before. Did Adele perform the year "SFTTR" won, since she had performed material from 21 the year before?

[Mike]

Adele did not perform the year she won for SFTTR.

+

[slowmo]

Interrupting the conversation to add that they announced presenters earlier. It's funny that they included presenters in that "1st Hour!!" commercial that aired Sunday.

Jim Gaffigan, Trevor Noah, Common, Cynthia Erivo, Du Lipa, Billy Porter, Smokey Robinson, Shania Twain, Keith Urban, Stevie Wonder, Ava DuVernay, Bebe Rexha, Brandi Carlile, Tanya Tucker, Sharon and Ozzy Osbourne.

Nipsey Hussle tribute:
John Legend, DJ Khaled, Meek Mill, Roddy Ricch, YG and Kirk Franklin

www.grammy.com/grammys/news/dua-lipa-common-stevie-wonder-smokey-robinson-shania-twain-keith-urban-and-more-present

eta: I was beat to it while I was typing it out. doh!

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Jan 22, 2020 15:48:31 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jan 22, 2020 15:39:33 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Was the show through announcing performers when all hell broke loose? Right now we have 16 confirmed performance slots involving 24 people, compared to 18 performances involving 38 people for the 2019 show and 20 performances involving 42 people in 2018. There may have been some who were still negotiating or were going to be announced later, and now they're changing their minds.

HDD said Alicia was conflicted but still on board at the moment (aka she probably needed to talk to her own attorney and see if she even could get out of it contractually), and that thought naturally made me wonder if performers have the same issue with not being able to back out once they've committed to it. Usually for concerts and tours there's a clause that holds the performer financially liable if they cancel on the event, with a short exception list of emergencies (illness, death in the family, natural disaster) but I've never known if the same holds true for an award show.

Taylor and Gaga are missing from the performer list, and IMO that's particularly notable for Taylor because it seemed like she put more visible effort than usual into campaigning for SOTY this year. Gaga normally performs whenever she is nominated, save for 2012. Neither is on tour and Gaga is between residency legs.

Scooter isn't about to let Ariana or Demi pull out, lbr; Camila likewise has an exhaustingly aggressive management team who book her for everything possible and who likely wouldn't let her back out even if she wanted to. After Ariana and Demi, almost every female performer listed is new (Lizzo, Billie, Rosalia) or just breaking through as Grammy nominees after last year (Camila, Brandi and H.E.R.). The only two non-newbies are Tanya Tucker, who is performing with Brandi, and Bonnie Raitt, who is doing a tribute to John Prine and very unlikely to back out of honoring a friend.

When you actually look at the confirmed list more closely the show didn't really book any established A-list women outside of Ariana. It's just easy not to notice that because the newcomers are the biggest nominees this year.

Gaga got to perform material from this project last year, so it may be she isn't performing due to redundancy (either on her part, or on NARAS' part). Similarly Green Day didn't perform the year they won ROTY but had performed material from that project the year before. Did Adele perform the year "SFTTR" won, since she had performed material from 21 the year before?

The examples you gave are ones where the artist released and was nominated for the album the first year and the second year is just a later single. Gaga is in the inverse - she was nominated for ASIB's lead single last year while this year is the one where the full project is nominated, as well as another song.

A more comparable situation would be Taylor receiving a ROTY nomination for WANEGBT in 2013 and then being nominated for Red in 2014 (Taylor performed both years). Now, Taylor did have another such situation with SIO in 2015 and 1989 in 2016, and she didn't perform in 2015. But I doubt that had anything to do with anyone wanting to avoid redundancy. Gaga meanwhile has performed the past five years in a row. Why would she or the show runners choose this year to sit her down?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 22, 2020 15:24:41 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jan 22, 2020 14:13:48 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

That's not weird at all. Adele, Norah Jones, and Taylor Swift were all 'safe,' acceptable choices who met the status quo. Lauryn, the last black woman to win the award, was literally over two decades ago but even if I pretend that example isn't hella outdated, her image was nonthreatening to older voters and very much fell in line with the respectability politics of the day (not to say she was purposely trying to play that game). Dixie Chicks are another group of ladies off the top of my head who likely did well because their image lined up perfectly with the academy's political POV at the time.

I'd argue that has to do with genre bias and perhaps even deep prejudice, which are different from sexism. It's not like male R&B and hip-hop artists were winning those awards either.

Can’t it be both? 💁🏼‍♂️

[14887fan]

I suspect Lady Gaga will he added as a performer. A conductor who works on the GRAMMYs annually commented a single smiley-face on a fan in the comments of TRA’s Instagram post of the Nipsey tribute, asking if LG will be performing.

Also, I cannot imagine TS not performing. Maybe they’re saving some heavy-hitter performances for closer to the show? Or maybe artists are just unwilling to do it now, because of all of this shitstorm lol.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 22, 2020 18:58:53 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jan 22, 2020 15:24:41 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

I'd argue that has to do with genre bias and perhaps even deep prejudice, which are different from sexism. It's not like male R&B and hip-hop artists were winning those awards either.

Can’t it be both? 💁🏼‍♂️

Of course it can, but that doesn't mean it is. That's why I said I would need more proof. I am not saying it can't be sexism, I am just saying from what I've seen it's more genre bias than sexism. There have been a lot of women nominated for and who won the big awards. There haven't been all that many R&B and hip-hop artists who have. That's a factual thing that can be used to show bias.

[Caviar]

Ousted Recording Academy CEO Deborah Dugan to Appear Live on ‘Good Morning America’


In the latest twist in the ongoing drama around the Recording Academy, ousted CEO Deborah Dugan will appear — live — on “Good Morning America” tomorrow, a rep at the network confirmed to Variety.

The appearance will likely heat up an already explosive situation in the run-up to the Grammy Awards on Sunday. Dugan was placed on administrative leave last week, just ten days before the show, amid allegations of misconduct against an unnamed female employee that amount to verbal abuse; Dugan’s attorneys denied this in an explosive 66-page complaint against the Academy filed yesterday.

That complaint alleges that her predecessor, Neil Portnow, raped a female artist (and Academy executives were aware), a claim he has since denied; that Joel Katz, a prominent attorney who has been part of the Academy’s inner circle for decades, attempted to “woo” and kiss her after a private dinner, a claim he has since denied; “egregious conflicts of interest, improper self-dealing by Board members and voting irregularities with respect to nominations for Grammy Awards”; and that her emails were being monitored and shared with Academy executives by her assistant, Claudine Little, who was previously Portnow’s assistant; and exorbitant or unnecessary legal bills to outside attorneys, conflicts of interest and more (the company’s tax records show that it paid nearly $15 million to two outside law firms over five years).

Sources close to the Academy say that she clashed with its culture and was dismissive and impatient with some employees. One thing is clear: It was an awkward fit. The war of words between the two sides has continued to escalate and threatens to overshadow the Grammy Awards themselves.

variety.com/2020/music/news/ousted-recording-academy-ceo-deborah-dugan-to-appear-live-on-good-morning-america-1203476257/

[Caviar]

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*Patiently waits on the article or tweet that asks why NARAS keeps sending in the women to do their dirty work*

[groovy]

I kinda feel bad for BTS though, they've been wanting to perform there yet the chance they have now is to perform that song.

*assuming some members are enlisting in the military this year so it's not gonna be the full group anymore once they get more chance to perform in upcoming years*

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

I'm really sick of this song.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jan 22, 2020 19:48:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jan 22, 2020 18:58:53 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Can’t it be both? 💁🏼‍♂️

Of course it can, but that doesn't mean it is. That's why I said I would need more proof. I am not saying it can't be sexism, I am just saying from what I've seen it's more genre bias than sexism. There have been a lot of women nominated for and who won the big awards. There haven't been all that many R&B and hip-hop artists who have. That's a factual thing that can be used to show bias.

@antigonerising made a good post at some point last year that did a comparison of men vs women in the general categories that incorporated genre as well. What I remember from it, she mentioned how the Grammys have occasionally awarded out-of-left-field winners for Album of the Year (beck, arcade fire, steely dan, etc) and how those winners were always men but never has a woman won that award unexpectedly. It was an interesting observation about how women do win the award but when they do it’s never an upset.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 22, 2020 22:07:14 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jan 22, 2020 19:48:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Of course it can, but that doesn't mean it is. That's why I said I would need more proof. I am not saying it can't be sexism, I am just saying from what I've seen it's more genre bias than sexism. There have been a lot of women nominated for and who won the big awards. There haven't been all that many R&B and hip-hop artists who have. That's a factual thing that can be used to show bias.

@antigonerising made a good post at some point last year that did a comparison of men vs women in the general categories that incorporated genre as well. What I remember from it, she mentioned how the Grammys have occasionally awarded out-of-left-field winners for Album of the Year (beck, arcade fire, steely dan, etc) and how those winners were always men but never has a woman won that award unexpectedly. It was an interesting observation about how women do win the award but when they do it’s never an upset.

That would be interesting, but I don't think the winners you listed are exactly "out of left field," and certainly not more than, say, Kacey Musgraves. For me it comes back to genre. What those acts you mention have in common are that they make rock/alt music. That often emerges as a winner in ROTY, too, particularly when the other nominees are pop and R&B; Coldplay, Green Day, Kings of Leon, etc. Anyone paying attention should expect that type of act to win, and the sad reality is that type of music is dominated by males. We also haven't seen male R&B and hip-hop acts winning, though. Eminem, Kanye, Kendrick, etc have never won in the general categories. Lauryn Hill won AOTY. Alicia Keys and Beyonce have at least managed to win SOTY. Until last year, Outkast was the only male hip-hop act to win in the general categories. Childish Gambino really broke ground last year in winning ROTY and SOTY. We'll see if that becomes a pattern.

To me it would be more blatantly sexism if we saw male R&B and hip-hop acts winning in the general categories, but not women. It's more so that those genres rarely win, regardless of gender. Even with country music we've seen Dixie Chicks, Taylor Swift, and Kacey Musgraves win AOTY, and Dixie Chicks and Lady Antebellum (which includes a female singer) won ROTY. We have not seen male acts like Chris Stapleton or Vince Gill win AOTY when nominated.

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Jan 22, 2020 22:07:14 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jan 22, 2020 19:48:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Of course it can, but that doesn't mean it is. That's why I said I would need more proof. I am not saying it can't be sexism, I am just saying from what I've seen it's more genre bias than sexism. There have been a lot of women nominated for and who won the big awards. There haven't been all that many R&B and hip-hop artists who have. That's a factual thing that can be used to show bias.

@antigonerising made a good post at some point last year that did a comparison of men vs women in the general categories that incorporated genre as well. What I remember from it, she mentioned how the Grammys have occasionally awarded out-of-left-field winners for Album of the Year (beck, arcade fire, steely dan, etc) and how those winners were always men but never has a woman won that award unexpectedly. It was an interesting observation about how women do win the award but when they do it’s never an upset.

Took me a while to find it, but here is the post that I think you're talking about; it was from two years ago.

Feb 16, 2018 15:20:01 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Feb 16, 2018 7:43:57 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I mostly agree that the timing of the Grammy wins was poor. Women have had years where they overwhelmingly performed better than men. This just happened to be a year where women weren't prominent across the board. But it would be interesting to look back and see how the Grammys awarded music in years when music was heavily female-leaning.

It would take me some time to comb through all the categories, but for now here is a list of all solo female wins in AOTY (lead artist wins only):

Judy Garland (1962)
Barbra Streisand (1964)
Carole King (1972)
Bonnie Raitt (1990)
Natalie Cole (1992)
Whitney Houston (1994)
Alanis Morrissette (1996)
Celine Dion (1997)
Lauryn Hill (1999)
Norah Jones (2003)
Dixie Chicks (2007) [belated side note: DC are obviously not a 'solo artist' but I included them since they are an all-female group)
Taylor Swift (2010)
Adele (2012)
Taylor Swift (2016)
Adele (2017)


15 out of 60, or 25%, of AOTY winners thus far are from women.** There are three other years (1978, 1982, and 2009) where the winning album was from a duo/group that included a woman (or two), bringing us to 18/60, or 30% female AOTY winners. I also tried accounting for the repeat winners, but that still led to a 25% or 30% ratio.

There is only one year where all the AOTY nominees were women (1999), but eight years where all the nominees were male (1960, 1961, 1963, 1969, 1977, 1983, 2001, 2013) and another seven years where the only female nominee(s) were part of a duo/group involving both genders (1970, 1971, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1984, 2009).

As much as it seems that women have dominated recently, that was really only true in the '90s. This decade looks female dominant at first glance, but it's just two women with repeat wins, and those two happen to be the two biggest selling pop stars of their time.

On that note, what is really telling to me is that ALL of the female winners listed were huge commercial successes for their times. I couldn't find sales figures on the '62 and '64 nominees - at that time, gold was the highest cert you could receive, and based on $1 million in sales rather than # of copies sold. That said, as far as I can tell Garland was the best seller at the time she was awarded (Garland was up against West Side Story, which of course dwarfed Garland's 13 weeks at #1 with its own 54; but due to her album being released in July and WSS in October, Garland was probably still perceived as even with or ahead of the soundtrack when voting took place). Streisand was one of only two albums in her year to receive a gold cert.

From 1972 to 2017, there were only three years (1990, 1999, 2007) where a winning woman was not the best-selling (or tied as best selling) album of the nominees. For 1990 and 2007, the winning album, like Garland's, was released far ahead enough of the better selling album that the winner was probably the best selling album at the time voting took place. 1999 was the all-ladies year, making sales moot.

We already knew the context of Portnow's asinine statement, but this really crystallizes it, and underscore's your point about women being dismissed when it comes to musical discussion. The standard for women 'stepping up' is 'being popular,' and because of that, there is no chance for a female Beck or Herbie Hancock, or even an Arcade Fire/The Suburbs situation (a respectable 765k sold, but the lowest selling album of the nominees that year). There are also virtually no female legacy acts winning this award, although it's hard to discern whether this is ageist sexism at play or genre bias sexism (the only 'legacy' acts to win AOTY are invariably rock).

When women step up in the ways that an artist should step up - stellar writing, superior vocals, critical acclaim, social commentary, cultural impact - it's ignored, because Portnow and his ilk do not perceive those qualities as useful or necessary or maybe even possible from women. Women are meant to be popular, pretty, and inoffensive (and all of this is still not a guarantee that you will win if there is a Beck or Arcade Fire in the mix). It's pretty all-or-nothing.



**for purposes of these stats, I'm counting groups as one singular act.

This post aged a bit poorly with the 2019 show/Kacey's win, but I do think many of the points still stand. Actually, will continue to stand because pretty much the only way 2020 could make me wrong is if the AOTY is awarded to H.E.R.

[willapted33]

"The nominating and voting processes are rigged, with secret committees, conflicts-of-interest, and self-dealing taking place throughout, often to give preference to white artists over their non-white counterparts."

confirming the already obvious, at least all this will hopefully mean they switch the system up, since after all, people still value the grammys in the same way they value the oscars

[kimberly]

@antigonerising it is crazy that in the last 20 years, 6 of the AOTY winners were women, 5 were solo women, and 4 of them were TS and Adele. And none of the six winners were women of color.

I guess wOMeN oF cOloR diDN't rEleASe aS mUcH MuSIc As wHiTe MeN that must be the reason

[shayonce]

4 women's statement. lolo
and from the people with conflict of interest.

[deepston]

It's ridiculous how Beyoncé doesn't have any AOTY. More ridiculous even is that the juicy "Lemonade" lost against the stale cardboard-flavored "25".

We all know it was rigged when that masterpiece did not win.

[upsidedown]

Jan 22, 2020 9:50:09 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jan 22, 2020 9:41:26 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Just because women have won awards and have had sweeping years, doesn’t make the boys club suggestion untrue.

My point being I don’t see any evidence women have been consistently hurt or marginalized by the committee.

2018 Best Pop Solo Performance

Kesha
Lady Gaga
Kelly Clarkson
Pink
Ed Sheeran's song about how hot women's bodies are

What song do you think won

[upsidedown]

Jan 23, 2020 6:08:42 GMT -5 deepston said:

It's ridiculous how Beyoncé doesn't have any AOTY. More ridiculous even is that the juicy "Lemonade" lost against the stale cardboard-flavored "25".

We all know it was rigged when that masterpiece did not win.

We all knew it was rigged when Beyonce got nominated EVERY SINGLE YEAR despite barely releasing anything besides like bonus tracks and sh*t

[willapted33]

some more examples 

- macklemore's the heist winning over gkmc (this one has always cracked me up) & macklemore winning best new artist over kendrick
- 1989 winning over TPAB
- fun winning best new artist over frank ocean
- my beautiful dark twisted fantasy not even getting an aoty nomination (finished third on aoty's decade end aggregate list)
- 24k magic beating damn, 4:44 & awaken my love (not to mention melodrama)
- jay z getting 8 nominations in 2018, not winning a single award
- a white rapper has been nominated 8 times in best rap album, and the only twice were they beaten

[jenglisbe]

Jan 23, 2020 6:08:42 GMT -5 deepston said:

It's ridiculous how Beyoncé doesn't have any AOTY. More ridiculous even is that the juicy "Lemonade" lost against the stale cardboard-flavored "25".

We all know it was rigged when that masterpiece did not win.

Does the suit claim winners are rigged, too?

[jenglisbe]

Jan 23, 2020 7:29:29 GMT -5 willapted33 said:

some more examples 

- macklemore's the heist winning over gkmc (this one has always cracked me up) & macklemore winning best new artist over kendrick
- 1989 winning over TPAB
- fun winning best new artist over frank ocean
- my beautiful dark twisted fantasy not even getting an aoty nomination (finished third on aoty's decade end aggregate list)
- 24k magic beating damn, 4:44 & awaken my love (not to mention melodrama)
- jay z getting 8 nominations in 2018, not winning a single award
- a white rapper has been nominated 8 times in best rap album, and the only twice were they beaten

I thought the suit named the committees as problematic. They don’t determine the winners do they?

[jenglisbe]

Jan 22, 2020 23:51:47 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

This post aged a bit poorly with the 2019 show/Kacey's win, but I do think many of the points still stand. Actually, will continue to stand because pretty much the only way 2020 could make me wrong is if the AOTY is awarded to H.E.R.

I think this is interesting in terms of the overall body, and I appreciate your work. It’s no surprise that white men vote for a certain type of music, a type predominantly made my men.

In terms of the news of this suit, isn’t most of it related to the voting committees? Those first began in the mid-90s, and they determine nominees, not winners. So, in terms of the news from this suit about committees, we should look at nominees from the past 25 years. Trends in winners relate more to the entirety of the voting body.