2020 Grammy Awards

[Choco]

Post should send Goodbyes to Rap Sung and Sunflower for Pop collab, Visual Media and the big ones.

Lover is a big unknown for me. Based on the two songs I wouldn't expect many nods. I feel like Ariana and Billie are more representative of Pop females this year, with Camila maybe landing a few nods on the back of her collabs.

[anafan]

Billie seems to be the front runner at the moment with both commercial and critical success.

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I wonder if Interscope will submit Billie's album to pop or alternative.

[cassiuscasanova]

Jul 14, 2019 13:52:25 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

I wonder if Interscope will submit Billie's album to pop or alternative.

That’s a good idea 

[magik]

Jul 9, 2019 20:20:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I would die if it became the most nomianted song in history

Song of the year
Record of the year
Best Rap/Sung Collab
Rap Song of the year
Best Rap Performance
Country song of the year
Best Country Performance
Plus: Best New Artist

It can't compete in both country and rap.  It's one or the other or neither. It could end up in Pop.

[kimberly]

Jul 13, 2019 13:46:04 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

 a Maggie Rogers shoutout!

Maggie's album is my Golden Hour of this year, although I still play Kacey's album quite often. (Just bought the vinyl)

Heard It In A Past Life definitely fits in with the AOTY category, but from what I have seen Maggie's fanbase seems like a small group inside a big circle of Billie Eilish fans, worsening her chances in the grand scheme of things.

[tinawina]

I don’t know, I think of Maggie Rogers as someone who will definitely score nominations. I can’t see it not happening.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 14, 2019 14:27:16 GMT -5 magik said:

Jul 9, 2019 20:20:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I would die if it became the most nomianted song in history

Song of the year
Record of the year
Best Rap/Sung Collab
Rap Song of the year
Best Rap Performance
Country song of the year
Best Country Performance
Plus: Best New Artist

It can't compete in both country and rap.  It's one or the other or neither. It could end up in Pop.

Remix in country, original in rap? 😂


Also, could ASIB get recognition? I thought about that early on but it seems behind the times at this point. I could see Maggie pulling a Sara Bareilles and getting an album nom, but I could also see her getting only a Best New Artist.

[jenglisbe]

Jul 9, 2019 20:20:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I would die if it became the most nomianted song in history

Song of the year
Record of the year
Best Rap/Sung Collab
Rap Song of the year
Best Rap Performance
Country song of the year
Best Country Performance
Plus: Best New Artist

It wouldn't be eligible for all of those categories, would it? They'd have to pick one version and submit it to one genre. If they want to submit a remix separately, it would have to go in that Remixed Recording category.

[jenglisbe]

A remind of the nomination process:

[wavey.]

www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/grammy-producer-ken-ehrlich-step-down-2020-show-ben-winston-860008/amp/

[Caviar]

THANK U GOD

Get that old ass turd out

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#bye

[14887fan]

Woah, that’s HUGE. Him & Portnow leaving around the same time is not surprising. It was past the point that the show needed some fresh creative minds behind it.

[jenglisbe]

[kimberly]

Jul 22, 2019 8:09:30 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Stans are going wild in replies but I believe it only makes sense to have it eligible because 1. It’s on her album from this year 2. The song started gaining traction this year after Someone Great came out.

[14887fan]

Anyone that’s mad about that can scream into an abyss of nothingness. Lizzo deserves all of the Grammys.

[cassiuscasanova]

I would love for her to get a grammy

[Night Senses]

What are the Jonas Brothers’ chances for a nomination? Does “Sucker” have a shot at anything? Also, have they ever been nominated before? I’m guessing no, but I remember their tragic performance with Stevie Wonder like a decade ago, so they had to have been given a slot for a reason.

[14887fan]

Jul 23, 2019 1:12:49 GMT -5 Night Senses said:

What are the Jonas Brothers’ chances for a nomination? Does “Sucker” have a shot at anything? Also, have they ever been nominated before? I’m guessing no, but I remember their tragic performance with Stevie Wonder like a decade ago, so they had to have been given a slot for a reason.

They were up for Best New Artist in ‘09 (I believe that was the year), but lost to Adele.

I imagine “Sucker” will land them a nomination or two somewhere. Surely, Pop Duo/Group/Collab. (or whatever the name of the category is, ha).

[areyoureadytojump]

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=317464&title=THE-NEW-GRAMMY-CHEW%3A-HOLD-THE-MAYO

Thursday, August 8, 2019

THE NEW GRAMMY CHEW: HOLD THE MAYO
by Lenny Beer and Simon Glickman

With mere weeks to go before the Grammy eligibility deadline, let’s take a look at a few more contenders for the top-tier categories. Before we do, though, we feel duty-bound to note that Billie Eilish’s momentum continues apace; she’s earned her first #1 at Pop radio, further cementing this wunderkind’s status as a mass-appeal giant. Now, who else will be nipping at her heels?

Beyoncé: Columbia’s megadiva is still the queen, and she earned huge press and acclaim for her Homecoming set and documentary, based on her dazzling, HBCU-themed Coachella performance from the preceding year. It’s a document of the hardest-working artist in showbiz at the height of her powers; expect it to be remembered in the Album of the Year category.

Tyler Childers: Like Brandi Carlile, Sturgill Simpson (who serves as producer here), Jason Isbell and other roots-minded outsiders, Childers is a serious songwriter finding new depth in classic country tropes. Just listen to his Hickman Holler/RCA set Country Squire—it’s a revelation.

J. Cole: “Middle Child” has been a huge hit for the quietest big artist in the biz, who is also among the most respected and thoughtful voices in hip-hop. Could the Dreamville/Roc Nation/Interscope star have this year’s equivalent of “This Is America” in the ROTY/SOTY categories?

Halsey: This Capitol breakout has run a strong and steady race on her way to superstardom, and “Without Me” was the song that brought her to critical mass, topping the Pop radio chart and earning astronomical streams. Her momentum continues, and you’re unlikely to see a ROTY/SOTY nominees list “Without” her.

Juice WRLD: The Academy missed the boat after Grade A/Interscope’s rap innovator first broke out with the chart-rocking, DSP-ruling “Lucid Dreams,” and many in the biz were shocked when he didn’t make the Best New Artist cut. Could this be the makeup year?

Lil Tecca: “Ransom,” which recently flew to #1 on Spotify’s U.S. chart, is completely en fuego. But lest you think this is just another streaming hip-hop record, Team Republic has already gotten him started at radio, where he’s receiving a warm, multiformat welcome. This one’s likely to get much bigger, with another potential hit on deck. Look for the Academy to Tecca look at him for BNA. (That joke would’ve killed in the Poconos.)

Maren Morris: It’s fitting that Columbia Nashville’s versatile young star broke Country radio’s glass ceiling with a song called “GIRL,” becoming the first female act in 18 months to hit #1 at the format. Morris’ grit, intelligence and soulful musicality—and her mainstream bona fides, as established by 2018 pop monster and ROTY/SOTY nominee “The Middle”—put her in the conversation for Album (also called GIRL, for those of you keeping score), Record and Song.

Taylor Swift: With new album Lover about to drop, we’re braced for more controversy—will Grammy once again stiff the megastar of pop megastars? A Tay drop is always an event. The ball’s in your court, secret committees.

[kanimal]

Aug 9, 2019 10:18:36 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=317464&title=THE-NEW-GRAMMY-CHEW%3A-HOLD-THE-MAYO

Taylor Swift: With new album Lover about to drop, we’re braced for more controversy—will Grammy once again stiff the megastar of pop megastars? A Tay drop is always an event. The ball’s in your court, secret committees.

I can't believe they're STILL barking up this weird tree. We're talking about the Grammys, not the Billboards. While commercial success obviously improves chances, it is not itself a reason to nominate a song or album.

If you want to say Taylor Swift's last album was amazing, fine. But we know that's not what they're saying, because they're asking the Academy to nominate an album they haven't even heard. They're saying it deserves to be nominated because it will sell a lot of copies.

[deepston]

Aug 9, 2019 12:21:31 GMT -5 kanimal said:

Aug 9, 2019 10:18:36 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=317464&title=THE-NEW-GRAMMY-CHEW%3A-HOLD-THE-MAYO

Taylor Swift: With new album Lover about to drop, we’re braced for more controversy—will Grammy once again stiff the megastar of pop megastars? A Tay drop is always an event. The ball’s in your court, secret committees.

I can't believe they're STILL barking up this weird tree. We're talking about the Grammys, not the Billboards. While commercial success obviously improves chances, it is not itself a reason to nominate a song or album.

If you want to say Taylor Swift's last album was amazing, fine. But we know that's not what they're saying, because they're asking the Academy to nominate an album they haven't even heard. They're saying it deserves to be nominated because it will sell a lot of copies.

No they are not. They are just stating it might be a contender. 

[Caviar]

How can it be a contender if no one has heard it?

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I don't think they are 'asking' for Lover to be nominated, but they are coming off as assuming a) that her megastar status (aka her sales) alone makes her a frontrunner and b) that it will be a 'controversy' if Lover does not receive an AOTY nomination, both of which are presumptuous. Reputation isn't even the first album of Taylor's to miss that category and it shouldn't have been a shock after LWYMMD failed to nab any nominations the year before, nor should a potential lack of a nomination be a surprise if that is how things shake out for her this year. Hits is doing the most with the least, per usual.

[Caviar]

This! ^^ I thought with new writers these prediction articles would improve but in fact its gotten worse.

[deepston]

Aug 9, 2019 14:02:02 GMT -5 Caviar said:

How can it be a contender if no one has heard it?

But they are not saying it is a contender... They are saying it might be a contender once it gets released because Taylor is such a Grammy magnet.
There's nothing wrong with that.

[kanimal]

Aug 9, 2019 15:35:14 GMT -5 deepston said:

Aug 9, 2019 14:02:02 GMT -5 Caviar said:

How can it be a contender if no one has heard it?

But they are not saying it is a contender... They are saying it might be a contender once it gets released because Taylor is such a Grammy magnet.
There's nothing wrong with that.

The article doesn't say the album is a likely contender because Taylor always releases artistically amazing albums. It certainly doesn't reference this "Grammy magnet" thing, because the entire premise of the note is that Taylor was snubbed last time around.

The article says she's one to watch because she's a megastar and everything she releases is an "event." And, given those factors, it would actually be a controversial snub if she isn't in the mix.

This is the same publication that seemed to think "Shape Of You" deserved a nomination because it was the biggest song of the year. It's the same publication that spent years lamenting over Justin Timberlake's "20/20 Experience" not winning even though it sold a lot of copies. So, there's not really an argument here - it's pretty clear that Hits thinks commercial success SHOULD be a big part of the decision.

I mean ... just look at the analysis for the other artists. Some of the bullets focus entirely on chart success, with no mention whatsoever of artistic merit.

[deepston]

Aug 9, 2019 18:28:37 GMT -5 kanimal said:

Aug 9, 2019 15:35:14 GMT -5 deepston said:

But they are not saying it is a contender... They are saying it might be a contender once it gets released because Taylor is such a Grammy magnet.
There's nothing wrong with that.

The article doesn't say the album is a likely contender because Taylor always releases artistically amazing albums. It certainly doesn't reference this "Grammy magnet" thing, because the entire premise of the note is that Taylor was snubbed last time around.

The article says she's one to watch because she's a megastar and everything she releases is an "event." And, given those factors, it would actually be a controversial snub if she isn't in the mix.

This is the same publication that seemed to think "Shape Of You" deserved a nomination because it was the biggest song of the year. It's the same publication that spent years lamenting over Justin Timberlake's "20/20 Experience" not winning even though it sold a lot of copies. So, there's not really an argument here - it's pretty clear that Hits thinks commercial success SHOULD be a big part of the decision.

I mean ... just look at the analysis for the other artists. Some of the bullets focus entirely on chart success, with no mention whatsoever of artistic merit.

But isn't commercial success part of what makes an album defining and important in the music industry? We all know and have known for years that the Grammys do not reward the best music - if that was the case the nominations would be filled with indie artists.
Obviously commercial success plays a part and it should play a part because it shows how well received someone's work was and how many people it was able to reach. That's also artistic merit.

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Aug 9, 2019 18:52:22 GMT -5 deepston said:

Aug 9, 2019 18:28:37 GMT -5 kanimal said:

The article doesn't say the album is a likely contender because Taylor always releases artistically amazing albums. It certainly doesn't reference this "Grammy magnet" thing, because the entire premise of the note is that Taylor was snubbed last time around.

The article says she's one to watch because she's a megastar and everything she releases is an "event." And, given those factors, it would actually be a controversial snub if she isn't in the mix.

This is the same publication that seemed to think "Shape Of You" deserved a nomination because it was the biggest song of the year. It's the same publication that spent years lamenting over Justin Timberlake's "20/20 Experience" not winning even though it sold a lot of copies. So, there's not really an argument here - it's pretty clear that Hits thinks commercial success SHOULD be a big part of the decision.

I mean ... just look at the analysis for the other artists. Some of the bullets focus entirely on chart success, with no mention whatsoever of artistic merit.

But isn't commercial success part of what makes an album defining and important in the music industry? We all know and have known for years that the Grammys do not reward the best music - if that was the case the nominations would be filled with indie artists.
Obviously commercial success plays a part and it should play a part because it shows how well received someone's work was and how many people it was able to reach. That's also artistic merit.

NARAS itself purports to "honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales, chart position, or critical reception." The definition of impact is debatable, down to the point that one could even debate if this statement includes it. It doesn't seem to; if one assumes sales = impact then it certainly doesn't. Plenty of artists/albums with huge sales and an undeniable amount of impact have lost or not even been nominated when a lot of people thought they would or should win.

It is also fairly common knowledge or should be at this point that most categories get thousands of submissions each year, even the obscure ones. It's all but impossible for voters to wade through all of those names, let alone listen to each song/album attached to them, in the two weeks they are given to vote. So the massive skewing toward artists with sales bears a relation not to artistry, but to practicality - you end up voting based on what you already know first and what you like second. I'm put off by the idea that reach should mean something when we all know 'reach' just means deeper pockets and a ton of advertising these days. Campaigning is now mostly a pay-to-play endeavor which even some major label singers may not want or be able to do, depending on the kind of support they get from their label.

If one wants to recognize sales as a recognition of artistic merit, we have the BBMAs and (kind of) the AMAs for that. That isn't what the Grammys was intended to be, even if the show's inconsistency in that regard doesn't always make it clear.