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Post by musicspy on Jan 27, 2020 9:20:03 GMT -5
Okay, so Demi, Jonas Brothers snd... HER are allowed to perform new songs, while Camila, Ariana and even Billie who won big time had to perform fossils. Also I find it so unfair Billie winning like 5,6 awards(?) while Ari who has been around for some years and literally had the biggest year for her and for any female artist this year, got snubbed. This year's was pure s**t.... ...but Camila performed an album track from her two month old album, Ariana doesn't have any new songs, and Billie probably wanted to do "When the Party's Over". They all have newer songs out rn charting and Ariana could have sung something fresh(er), like Fake Smile or NASA. Anyways, I'm pretty sure there has been a thread about how Grammys don't "allow" artists perform their new songs in the awards unless they are big enough names but come on now.. HER? Lol |
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Jan 27, 2020 9:23:27 GMT -5
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jan 27, 2020 9:56:17 GMT -5
I think the Grammys always set someone up to be the fall guy/girl every year.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2020 10:09:54 GMT -5
I think the Grammys always set someone up to be the fall guy/girl every year. The thousands of voters all get together and decide in an annual meeting or something? |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jan 27, 2020 10:18:07 GMT -5
I think the Grammys always set someone up to be the fall guy/girl every year. The thousands of voters all get together and decide in an annual meeting or something? I don’t necessarily think it is that cut and dry. If the allegations about fixing the nomination process are true, I think they know who is popular enough to draw a crowd and who appeases their idea of someone they actually would vote to give the award. |
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Post by felipe on Jan 27, 2020 10:20:10 GMT -5
Overall, it will be interesting to see where the Grammys go from here with the allegations. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, and if it will have an effect on next year’s nominations. Which allegations? |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Jan 27, 2020 10:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by kanimal on Jan 27, 2020 10:44:25 GMT -5
Okay, so Demi, Jonas Brothers snd... HER are allowed to perform new songs, while Camila, Ariana and even Billie who won big time had to perform fossils. Also I find it so unfair Billie winning like 5,6 awards(?) while Ari who has been around for some years and literally had the biggest year for her and for any female artist this year, got snubbed. This year's was pure s**t.... It's funny, because I'd actually read it the exact opposite way you did. I'd view it as Camila, Ariana and Billie being given leeway to perform whatever they wanted, rather than a hot new single. The others, on the other hand, had to perform the new release to create a hook for their performances. It also could just be the dynamics of the music - Camila and Billie chose songs that are more moment-worthy than their new singles, Ariana doesn't have new stuff, Demi and Jonas Brothers don't have any old stuff that would feel fresh, and HER's old stuff isn't really recognizable to the mainstream anyway (beyond Hard Place, which she did last year). We also pretty much know for a fact this is what Ariana wanted to perform, because her being restricted on song choice is what led to her declining last year. No way she'd risk looking weak this year. |
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Post by insen_13 on Jan 27, 2020 11:21:48 GMT -5
IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE
AOTY - thank u, next
ROTY - bad guy
SOTY - Lover
BNA - Billie Eilish
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 27, 2020 11:25:45 GMT -5
...but Camila performed an album track from her two month old album, Ariana doesn't have any new songs, and Billie probably wanted to do "When the Party's Over". They all have newer songs out rn charting and Ariana could have sung something fresh(er), like Fake Smile or NASA. Anyways, I'm pretty sure there has been a thread about how Grammys don't "allow" artists perform their new songs in the awards unless they are big enough names but come on now.. HER? Lol That ONE person, Ken Ehrlich, is now out and the rules have been changing with his exit. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jan 27, 2020 11:43:15 GMT -5
IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE AOTY - thank u, next ROTY - bad guy SOTY - Lover BNA - Billie Eilish agree I don't know how bad guy is even nominated in SOTY. |
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Post by insen_13 on Jan 27, 2020 12:03:41 GMT -5
IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE AOTY - thank u, next ROTY - bad guy SOTY - Lover BNA - Billie Eilish agree I don't know how bad guy is even nominated in SOTY. Lyrics? bad guy? Brrrrrh |
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jan 27, 2020 12:05:27 GMT -5
Little Nas X is also a novelty artist who won’t make it far, his song is like the macarena
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Post by Adrian C. 🍓 on Jan 27, 2020 12:05:34 GMT -5
I'm totally good with Billie taking home a good number of the awards she won. But I really think Song of the Year should've gone to Lover. Taylor has never won a SOTY Grammy and this just felt like the perfect opportunity for her first. I also think Lana should've won AOTY, but I'm not surprised by the outcome.
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Post by gabe on Jan 27, 2020 12:34:43 GMT -5
it's laughable that ariana grande, one of the biggest people in the industry, didn't get a single award
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Post by when the pawn... on Jan 27, 2020 12:38:28 GMT -5
I'd rank the performances as such...
1 Tyler, the Creator
2 Rosalia
3 Billie Eilish
4 Bonnie Raitt
5 Usher, Sheila E. & FKA Twigs
6 Ariana Grande
7 Tanya Tucker & Brandi Carlile
8 Lizzo
9 Demi Lovato
10 Gary Clark Jr. & The Roots
11 Lil Nas X, BTS, Billy Ray Cyrus, Mason Ramsey, Diplo & Nas
12 H.E.R.
13 DJ Khaled, John Legend, Meek Mill, YG, Roddy Ricch & Kirk Franklin
14 Alicia Keys & Brittany Howard
15 Jonas Brothers
16 Aerosmith & Run-DMC
17 Trombone Shorty
18 Blake Shelton & Gwen Stefani
19 Camila Cabello
20 Ken Ehrlich Tribute
1. Three hours and 40 minutes is simply too long. The bottom four performances could easily have been cut and no one would've cared (except for Ken Ehrlich, of course). And maybe a little less Alicia Keys (I know the Kobe thing was unplanned but three musical performances is a bit much).
2. Eight awards over almost four hours and one of them is Best Comedy Album and the winner isn't even present. In hindsight/knowing the winners (the producers obviously do), should've been the big four, Pop Duo/Group, Rock Song, Alternative Album, one of Lizzo's R&B awards, one of Nipsey Hussle's awards, Rap Album, Country Song, Rosalia's award, and maybe even Music Video or Song from a Soundtrack or something interesting. And maybe space out the big four so that one person doesn't dominate the last 40 minutes of the show. Even just moving one of them to the top of the show.
3. I'm good with Billie being the night's top winner but five awards seems extreme to me. Confirms my notion that Grammy voters don't only not understand the difference between ROTY vs. SOTY, but simply aren't thinking about any category when placing a vote. If they like Billie Eilish, they like Billie Eilish. Same with Bruno Mars in 2018, Adele in 2012 and 2017 (though her 2012 sweep is kinda indisputable), Sam Smith in 2015, etc. The exception to this rule is "Truth Hurts" winning Pop Solo Performance, which in terms of voter logic, makes absolutely no sense at all in its own way.
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Post by upsidedown on Jan 27, 2020 12:57:56 GMT -5
Billie already notched a new top 10 hit that was not on the album so... probably not the last you see of her. As for Billie losing the Pop Song award, while winning the big ones, it probably means she got a lot of extra support from people from other genres (considering her album has a lot of alt influences, it's not a stretch). Much like Lorde, Lana feels like someone put there by the committee instead of actual votes. That can get you a nom but people still have to vote for her in order to win, so she came up short. In her case the nod was already a huge win. I say this without taking into consideration the album's actual quality, which we all know doesn't really matter for the Grammys lol, or Lil Nas X's EP wouldn't be there. Lorde's album was insanely critically acclaimed tho? It made sense that it was in AOTY. Just like Lana's deserves to be there because it was also very acclaimed. |
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Post by upsidedown on Jan 27, 2020 12:59:02 GMT -5
it's laughable that ariana grande, one of the biggest people in the industry, didn't get a single award Idk why everyone is shocked. She literally had a song called "break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored." Mindless Bops =/= Grammy wins |
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Post by wavey. on Jan 27, 2020 13:14:52 GMT -5
The album didn't just have "mindless bops".
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Post by Choco on Jan 27, 2020 13:22:19 GMT -5
Billie already notched a new top 10 hit that was not on the album so... probably not the last you see of her. As for Billie losing the Pop Song award, while winning the big ones, it probably means she got a lot of extra support from people from other genres (considering her album has a lot of alt influences, it's not a stretch). Much like Lorde, Lana feels like someone put there by the committee instead of actual votes. That can get you a nom but people still have to vote for her in order to win, so she came up short. In her case the nod was already a huge win. I say this without taking into consideration the album's actual quality, which we all know doesn't really matter for the Grammys lol, or Lil Nas X's EP wouldn't be there. Lorde's album was insanely critically acclaimed tho? It made sense that it was in AOTY. Just like Lana's deserves to be there because it was also very acclaimed. Yeah I'm not saying it was wrong to have it nominated, on the contrary, I thought it was a refreshing choice, much like Melodrama back then. But the signs were there saying that it was not the frountrunner to win. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jan 27, 2020 13:46:26 GMT -5
Of the major artists who are the subjects of the Grammy discussions on pulse Ariana is the least interesting so even if they didn’t award the ‘best’ person, they didn’t get it totally wrong. Don’t @ me
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Post by kimberly on Jan 27, 2020 13:52:38 GMT -5
it's laughable that ariana grande, one of the biggest people in the industry, didn't get a single award Idk why everyone is shocked. She literally had a song called "break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored." Mindless Bops =/= Grammy wins if you think "break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored" is a mindless bop I don't think you're a good listener at all the album was very personal and filled with lots of substance (so was Billie's album) |
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jan 27, 2020 13:59:57 GMT -5
Outside of the shut out last night, does Ariana have any Grammys? I have seen people call her Ariana “Grammyless” Grande, but wasn’t sure if she just straight up had no Grammys or they were referring to last night
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Jan 27, 2020 14:00:47 GMT -5
Outside of the shut out last night, does Ariana have any Grammys? I have seen people call her Ariana “Grammyless” Grande, but wasn’t sure if she just straight up had no Grammys or they were referring to last night She won Best Pop Vocal Album last year. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jan 27, 2020 14:09:09 GMT -5
Ariana has been seen as this generation’s Mariah. Despite her legendary career, Mariah only has 5 Grammys, and she won had 2 for the first 15 years of her career. Ariana is the new Mariah indeed.
(That is not ,want to say Ariana is on that level, just saying she’s seen as similar to Mariah and this seems to be part of it.)
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Post by RockaByeBaby on Jan 27, 2020 14:15:32 GMT -5
I can't believe that after these past few weeks (and shit being totally legit or not) so many people still seem to care about who gets to win a Grammy like it means anything that great. I can't believe Diddy of all people was the only one to seemingly acknowledge the mess and not even at the actual show but a pre-party... I suppose the artists endorse the fraud and are willing to keep playing the game tryna appease certain top players, welp sad industry the entertainment one seems to be.
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Post by Enigma. on Jan 27, 2020 15:23:41 GMT -5
Browsing through that page and it's crazy that Björk has never won a Grammy!! I mean one of the most influential ARTISTS of all time. |
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Post by woods on Jan 27, 2020 15:36:30 GMT -5
I hope "bad guy" and "7 rings" get performed tonight. Not happy. I really have no right to complain now. "bad guy" ALONE won ROTY and SOTY. And that was the correct choice. And "7 rings" still got 2 nominations, and it ended up being performed. But Ariana deserved at least one award last night. |
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Post by felipe on Jan 27, 2020 15:37:34 GMT -5
Ariana has been seen as this generation’s Mariah. Despite her legendary career, Mariah only has 5 Grammys, and she won had 2 for the first 15 years of her career. Ariana is the new Mariah indeed. (That is not ,want to say Ariana is on that level, just saying she’s seen as similar to Mariah and this seems to be part of it.) I didn’t know Mariah had only 2 before Emancipation. Was she not much respected in the industry back then? I always assumed she was sort of an Adele in early 90s regarding critical recognition. |
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Post by mariabarbie on Jan 27, 2020 15:38:12 GMT -5
They all have newer songs out rn charting and Ariana could have sung something fresh(er), like Fake Smile or NASA. Anyways, I'm pretty sure there has been a thread about how Grammys don't "allow" artists perform their new songs in the awards unless they are big enough names but come on now.. HER? Lol That ONE person, Ken Ehrlich, is now out and the rules have been changing with his exit. Ken's last show was last night. So he was not out yet. That's why there was a tribute for him. |
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