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Post by Resident_Evil on Jul 2, 2019 19:54:56 GMT -5
Drugs is not illness...it's a CHOICE. I understand the need to be woke in this current insufferable environment but let's not get it twisted. I have no idea why the most sleepy people are the loudest. Drugs is usually a cause of deeper issues . It's a symptom to underlying issues that stem from childhood, pathology, family issues and or mental illness. Or it could be from trying something and then being so addicted which negates that choice you speak off. The same reason you so damn negative and rude and nasty towards others suffering is probably something broken inside you that you haven't healed. Instead of drugs you just choose to be an assholeBINGO!!! I CHOSE to be an asshole instead of a junkie..hence its a choice. And you are right, i have had juvenile depression which later manifested into full blown depression and i haven't even touched a cigrette in my entire pathetic life. So sorry to dissapoint you fake woke SJWs but i said what i said and you will just have to deal with it. Just because things look different in your bubble doesn't make them true. :sip2: Oh and like the attention seeking junkie said.....  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 20:01:34 GMT -5
One day you'll learn that judging others is not the answer. That "junkie" isnt the only attention seeker in music the only difference is she can sing really well!
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 2, 2019 20:09:35 GMT -5
I have no idea why the most sleepy people are the loudest. Drugs is usually a cause of deeper issues . It's a symptom to underlying issues that stem from childhood, pathology, family issues and or mental illness. Or it could be from trying something and then being so addicted which negates that choice you speak off. The same reason you so damn negative and rude and nasty towards others suffering is probably something broken inside you that you haven't healed. Instead of drugs you just choose to be an assholeBINGO!!! I CHOSE to be an asshole instead of a junkie..hence its a choice. And you are right, i have had juvenile depression which later manifested into full blown depression and i haven't even touched a cigrette in my entire pathetic life. So sorry to dissapoint you fake woke SJWs but i said what i said and you will just have to deal with it. Just because things look different in your bubble doesn't make them true.  Oh and like the attention seeking junkie said.....  Burn this whole insensitive dumbass post. |
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Post by Resident_Evil on Jul 2, 2019 20:12:54 GMT -5
One day you'll learn that judging others is not the answer. That "junkie" isnt the only attention seeker in music the only difference is she can sing really well! And one day you'll learn you are no different than me. Now i don't want to further derail Taylor's topic, i just felt it was extremely necessary to not let your comment slide so its best you move on now. |
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 2, 2019 20:20:33 GMT -5
I have no idea why the most sleepy people are the loudest. Drugs is usually a cause of deeper issues . It's a symptom to underlying issues that stem from childhood, pathology, family issues and or mental illness. Or it could be from trying something and then being so addicted which negates that choice you speak off. The same reason you so damn negative and rude and nasty towards others suffering is probably something broken inside you that you haven't healed. Instead of drugs you just choose to be an assholeBINGO!!! I CHOSE to be an asshole instead of a junkie..hence its a choice. And you are right, i have had juvenile depression which later manifested into full blown depression and i haven't even touched a cigrette in my entire pathetic life. So sorry to dissapoint you fake woke SJWs but i said what i said and you will just have to deal with it. Just because things look different in your bubble doesn't make them true. :sip2: Oh and like the attention seeking junkie said..... Talking about a bubble when you’re posting all big and bad on a fucking music forum  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 20:28:19 GMT -5
One day you'll learn that judging others is not the answer. That "junkie" isnt the only attention seeker in music the only difference is she can sing really well! And one day you'll learn you are no different than me. Now i don't want to further derail Taylor's topic, i just felt it was extremely necessary to not let your comment slide so its best you move on now. No I see younger me in you very angry and loud but even then I was smart and never crossed the line to hateful. You're talking about choices but you're making bad choices. I wish you well! The brave Demi and all who seek help should not be made fun of, minimized or shamed. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 2, 2019 20:50:00 GMT -5
@antigonerising you raise great points as always. That's why I think the first thing kids should be taught is to read EVERYTHING they are putting their names to and ask, be curious. Be knowledgeable. I think often times new artists are willing to sign bad deals because they just want to sign a deal and get on the road to the big time. For some, it may be (what they believe to be) their only chance to ‘make it’. |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 2, 2019 21:25:46 GMT -5
I have no idea why the most sleepy people are the loudest. Drugs is usually a cause of deeper issues . It's a symptom to underlying issues that stem from childhood, pathology, family issues and or mental illness. Or it could be from trying something and then being so addicted which negates that choice you speak off. The same reason you so damn negative and rude and nasty towards others suffering is probably something broken inside you that you haven't healed. Instead of drugs you just choose to be an assholeBINGO!!! I CHOSE to be an asshole instead of a junkie..hence its a choice. And you are right, i have had juvenile depression which later manifested into full blown depression and i haven't even touched a cigrette in my entire pathetic life. So sorry to dissapoint you fake woke SJWs but i said what i said and you will just have to deal with it. Just because things look different in your bubble doesn't make them true. :sip2: Oh and like the attention seeking junkie said.....  |
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jul 2, 2019 21:26:28 GMT -5
@antigonerising you raise great points as always. That's why I think the first thing kids should be taught is to read EVERYTHING they are putting their names to and ask, be curious. Be knowledgeable. I think often times new artists are willing to sign bad deals because they just want to sign a deal and get on the road to the big time. For some, it may be (what they believe to be) their only chance to ‘make it’. Yup. Artists rarely get everything up front because labels absorb a lot of risk when they first sign an artist (most fail despite a considerable investment of development and marketing resources). Once artists have power to negotiate, it does happen. Janet Jackson now owns her Virgin masters but not her A&M masters for this reason. Her first Virgin contract gave her substantial advances and a 22% royalty rate, and also contained an unprecedented clause allowing her to bow out after one album if Virgin was sold to another company, which it was (when she was in an even stronger negotiating position). Brilliant. This concept of negotiating power dynamic is not new in any business sector, so Taylor (an astute businesswoman) pretending to be surprised by it is quite amusing. Apply for a job flipping burgers at McDonald's, try to negotiate your hourly wage and benefits and see how far you get. Apply as the Board's preferred candidate to the President & CEO position and you can write your own ticket. Labels will never give every act they sign ownership of their masters unless the business model fundamentally changes. For any act, at the beginning, it's label resources that make those masters possible in the first place. Taylor has made hundreds of millions of dollars and stands to make many hundreds of millions more throughout her career, so it's rather disingenuous to see her posturing in this manner. As others have pointed out, she can still control a lot of her masters' application and activity through her publishing deal. This is not really about the moral high ground of "owning" her original work as an artist (she gave up that right when she turned it into a - very profitable - business, and is happy to reap the ongoing benefits of that), it's really about enriching herself even further. Taylor took a calculated risk, just as Scott did, when she signed that first contract and agreed to those terms. Her risk has paid off handsomely and she should be thrilled - few walk among her. And it's not her right to own her masters, nor is it her right to be offered the opportunity to purchase them if the seller isn't interested in doing business with her. But she knows this - all the rest is just bluster and drama. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Jul 2, 2019 22:15:11 GMT -5
It comes off as posturing on her part. From all I have read, she expected the outcome of her masters being sold as a repercussion of her parting ways with BM. I think she is blowing steam off because she hates the guy who bought them. Which she had to expect some repercussions of parting ways with her record company. Does it make it a good thing for Taylor, no, but life isn’t fair in business. Hopefully, this becomes a lesson learned for future artists of knowing your worth, but artists have to know that most record companies are going to want leverage for fronting the beginnings of your career rarely do you get something for nothing in this industry. The key is finding that balance.
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Post by kanimal on Jul 2, 2019 23:46:15 GMT -5
It comes off as posturing on her part. From all I have read, she expected the outcome of her masters being sold as a repercussion of her parting ways with BM. I think she is blowing steam off because she hates the guy who bought them. Which she had to expect some repercussions of parting ways with her record company. Does it make it a good thing for Taylor, no, but life isn’t fair in business. Hopefully, this becomes a lesson learned for future artists of knowing your worth, but artists have to know that most record companies are going to want leverage for fronting the beginnings of your career rarely do you get something for nothing in this industry. The key is finding that balance. I mean - the big thing here is the conflation of outrage. The reality is that she NEVER owned her masters, and she formally acknowledged that she was leaving them behind when she announced signing with Republic. So all this stuff we're seeing about "labels screwing over artists," "rich men taking credit for women's work," etc - that was already true. Fans should have been waging these complaints months, if not years ago. But the fact that the ownership now belongs to someone who she and her fans don't like makes it easier to illustrate the situation and rally support. To Taylor's credit, I've seen some speculation that she may have hoped UMG would end up being the Big Machine buyer. At that point, UMG likely would have given Taylor, arguably its top roster member, a sweetheart deal to own her masters. So the Scooter Braun deal is not just a case of someone Taylor doesn't like getting ownership of her work. It's essentially the end of her hope that she would be able to purchase her work at an attractive price point. Granted, there's also speculation that her end game is to essentially bring Scooter to the table and sell her masters back at a fair price. But I'm not entirely sure how that would work; Scooter and his partners already agreed to pay $300m for BM, so there's only so low they can go when it comes to selling off the key asset. |
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Post by Keelzit on Jul 3, 2019 3:32:06 GMT -5
So when is her Snake Radio Apple Music exclusive podcast scheduled on?
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 3, 2019 5:05:06 GMT -5
Interrupting this feeding of Resident_Troll to bring you something far more interesting than flame bait.
Just went into the city and back in my fiancée's car and she only has the radio, so I was flipping through all the different stations in our roughly 90 minutes on the road in total and 5 times Taylor Swift came on and each time with a different song. ME!, Wildest Dreams, Mine, You Need to Calm Down, and Stay. All on different stations. Radio stays stanning for Taylor.
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Post by die Lotterie on Jul 3, 2019 7:52:13 GMT -5
Taylor fans are so petty for that Sia nonsense, stan culture at its worst. I wasn't even that bad as a teenager during the TEOM Mimi era lol.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 3, 2019 8:47:18 GMT -5
I do empathize with Taylor, but I don't like the way she handled this. I understand her being devastated at losing her masters. And I understand her being upset that they went to someone she clearly doesn't like. I'm sure in her eyes the whole thing isn't fair. But it's the music business, when has fair ever been a factor? Her post just came off as unnecessary and inflammatory.
And her fans tripping all over themselves to cancel anyone who isn't on the same page exemplifies everything horrible about social media.
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Post by QAF on Jul 3, 2019 8:49:17 GMT -5
I have no idea why the most sleepy people are the loudest. Drugs is usually a cause of deeper issues . It's a symptom to underlying issues that stem from childhood, pathology, family issues and or mental illness. Or it could be from trying something and then being so addicted which negates that choice you speak off. The same reason you so damn negative and rude and nasty towards others suffering is probably something broken inside you that you haven't healed. Instead of drugs you just choose to be an assholeBINGO!!! I CHOSE to be an asshole instead of a junkie..hence its a choice. And you are right, i have had juvenile depression which later manifested into full blown depression and i haven't even touched a cigrette in my entire pathetic life. So sorry to dissapoint you fake woke SJWs but i said what i said and you will just have to deal with it. Just because things look different in your bubble doesn't make them true. :sip2: Oh and like the attention seeking junkie said..... I don't think you have the intelligence but you should be embarrassed by your ignorance. |
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 3, 2019 8:56:02 GMT -5
I have no idea why the most sleepy people are the loudest. Drugs is usually a cause of deeper issues . It's a symptom to underlying issues that stem from childhood, pathology, family issues and or mental illness. Or it could be from trying something and then being so addicted which negates that choice you speak off. The same reason you so damn negative and rude and nasty towards others suffering is probably something broken inside you that you haven't healed. Instead of drugs you just choose to be an assholeBINGO!!! I CHOSE to be an asshole instead of a junkie..hence its a choice. And you are right, i have had juvenile depression which later manifested into full blown depression and i haven't even touched a cigrette in my entire pathetic life. So sorry to dissapoint you fake woke SJWs but i said what i said and you will just have to deal with it. Just because things look different in your bubble doesn't make them true. :sip2: Oh and like the attention seeking junkie said..... You are alarmingly stupid. |
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Post by Koochie on Jul 3, 2019 9:27:10 GMT -5
I have no idea why the most sleepy people are the loudest. Drugs is usually a cause of deeper issues . It's a symptom to underlying issues that stem from childhood, pathology, family issues and or mental illness. Or it could be from trying something and then being so addicted which negates that choice you speak off. The same reason you so damn negative and rude and nasty towards others suffering is probably something broken inside you that you haven't healed. Instead of drugs you just choose to be an assholeBINGO!!! I CHOSE to be an asshole omg tea ☺️ |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 3, 2019 13:20:27 GMT -5
I think pack mentalities whether in fanbases or otherwise is unhealthy. A collection of people ganging up on one person is wrong IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 15:01:23 GMT -5
I do empathize with Taylor, but I don't like the way she handled this. I understand her being devastated at losing her masters. And I understand her being upset that they went to someone she clearly doesn't like. I'm sure in her eyes the whole thing isn't fair. But it's the music business, when has fair ever been a factor? Her post just came off as unnecessary and inflammatory. And her fans tripping all over themselves to cancel anyone who isn't on the same page exemplifies everything horrible about social media. Taylor's Twitter fans are in a nutshell why Taylor will never fully gather the empathy she otherwise could in this situation. "You don't agree that Scott should have given Taylor her masters back so we're going to prove that you support genocide and racism!" The leap one has to make over that Grand Canyon-esque break in logic...and Scooter still ain't gonna give Taylor those masters. They need to calm down. |
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 3, 2019 15:40:57 GMT -5
Lol Taylor stans coming for Sia they have sis even addressing blackface accusations Is this even blackface? Jesus Christ. Sia is a good. Leave her alone. |
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Post by BDGeek on Jul 3, 2019 16:28:12 GMT -5
I do empathize with Taylor, but I don't like the way she handled this. I understand her being devastated at losing her masters. And I understand her being upset that they went to someone she clearly doesn't like. I'm sure in her eyes the whole thing isn't fair. But it's the music business, when has fair ever been a factor? Her post just came off as unnecessary and inflammatory. And her fans tripping all over themselves to cancel anyone who isn't on the same page exemplifies everything horrible about social media. "You don't agree that Scott should have given Taylor her masters back so we're going to prove that you support genocide and racism!" The leap one has to make over that Grand Canyon-esque break in logic...and Scooter still ain't gonna give Taylor those masters. They need to calm down. And her fans are tied more closely to her than most major pop stars as she's made intimate, personal connection with her fans the staple of her career. It's kind of her Achilles' heel. She'll always be successful because she has such a strong fanbase, but the absurd behavior of some of her fans (not all of course) makes her easier to dislike by her close association with them. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 3, 2019 16:38:17 GMT -5
Lol Taylor stans coming for Sia they have sis even addressing blackface accusations Is this even blackface? Jesus Christ. Sia is a good. Leave her alone. What do you think blackface is? It's right there in the name: coloring your face black. Now I have no idea what the full story is there, but that image clearly is Sia's face colored black (meaning, that's not a face mask or cloth), and that certainly has negative racial implications. Even if not done with racist intentions, blackface is still bad. And again, I don't know the full story. Perhaps it wasn't her that colored her face, perhaps she didn't know as she's not from a culture where blackface is wrong, perhaps there were no racist intentions on her part, but that still doesn't mean that that image isn't ingerently wrong and at lease deserving of an explanation and apology (if that hasn't already happened). But, to answer your question, yes, based on image alone, that is most certainly blackface. That being said, Taylor stans should be ashamed of themselves for attacking Sia and her fans as they are based purely on this whole masters ownership drama. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 3, 2019 16:43:07 GMT -5
Is this even blackface? Jesus Christ. Sia is a good. Leave her alone. What do you think blackface is? It's right there in the name: coloring your face black. Now I have no idea what the full story is there, but that image clearly is Sia's face colored black (meaning, that's not a face mask or cloth), and that certainly has negative racial implications. Even if not done with racist intentions, blackface is still bad. And again, I don't know the full story. Perhaps it wasn't her that colored her face, perhaps she didn't know as she's not from a culture where blackface is wrong, perhaps there were no racist intentions on her part, but that still doesn't mean that that image isn't ingerently wrong and at lease deserving of an explanation and apology (if that hasn't already happened). But, to answer your question, yes, based on image alone, that is most certainly blackface. That being said, Taylor stans should be ashamed of themselves for attacking Sia and her fans as they are based purely on this whole masters ownership drama. |
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 3, 2019 16:47:53 GMT -5
Good to know there was an explanation. That still doesn't make it okay, but at least it's known that she wasn't intending to be racist, and my guess is since that was a pre-cursor to the wig, then she didn't even know it was bad given she's not from a location where blackface was used negatively to portray black citizens (to my knowledge), and has probably since learned not to do that, ergo the wig.
Personal growth. It's a wonderful thing that these nasty Taylor Twitter stans need to learn.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 3, 2019 17:15:17 GMT -5
I think pack mentalities whether in fanbases or otherwise is unhealthy. A collection of people ganging up on one person is wrong IMO. That particular person brought it on themselves for saying what he said and sticking with it and further defending it. We're trying to correct him and if we have to drag him a little to get him there, then so be it. |
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Post by nickd on Jul 3, 2019 21:07:04 GMT -5
Taylor knows how gain publicity one way or other to sell records! Shrewd woman I see you!!🎯 I just wish the young her was as shrewd as Mariah Carey and said no to selling her catalog away To clarify, Mariah owns her publishing - just as lucrative if not more so than masters rights, but not the same thing. I don't know if she owns any of her masters aside from Caution and Glitter (she supposedly acquired Glitter when Virgin bought her out of her contract; there was apparently an interview where she mentioned this and noted how unusual it was, but that vid has been deleted so I can't confirm). I suspect she didn't have any of her Columbia masters at the start but has been quietly acquiring her old albums' masters now that she is back with Sony; however that is only a hunch based on the increase in sync usage over the past few years. She couldn't have owned the AIWFCIY masters bc she recorded the Extra Festive version for her holiday album with Def Jam. In many ways, the publishing holders have more control over the songs than the ones holding the masters. Scooter Braun could refuse to let you use the original recording of You Belong With Me in a commercial, but Taylor and her fellow co-writers could still allow you to use the composition (i.e. a cover) and make money from it that way. Scooter would get nothing from this because he only owns rights to that original recording. Conversely, Scooter could say he would love for you to use one of Taylor's songs, and all the other songwriters could be in agreement, but if Taylor alone says 'no' then the whole thing is shut down because you can't use the recording without having 100% permission to use the composition. Taylor can also get 'permission' from herself and her co-writers to re-record her own songs and then license those new recordings, again cutting Scooter out of the profit bc she will own the new recordings' masters. This is what Mariah did with AIWFCIY when she was signed to Def Jam and what JoJo had to do to get her old albums back on streaming services. Also worth noting that none of Mariah's compilations or her GH album could have been possible without her granting permission from the publishing side. Similarly, Scooter can't put out a Taylor Swift GH package without Taylor signing off on it. Basically if Taylor is really feeling some way about it she can greatly diminish Scooter's ability to profit from her back catalog. He can really only earn anything from SPS and even that could take a blow if she played her cards right. Not to dismiss the significance of keeping or regaining one's original masters, but her crying about ownership just rings partially hollow when you understand how the masters/publishing relationship works. The time she spent typing she should have been spending recording six albums all over again tbh. I think the current generation of stars is probably screwed, contract-wise, but I'm sure the next generation is watching this and will probably avoid deals that could end in a similar issue.But really, are they? Will they? Can they? The labels are the ones with the purse strings...the typical power dynamic between new artists and labels is so off-kilter that I imagine you would be hard pressed to find a label that would let you keep them (AND all the royalties from them) from the beginning. Any time a label invests in promoting a new act they are taking a risk, and holding rights to the masters is one of the tools the label will use to offset that risk. Any profit earned from said risk can then be used to further invest in a successful act, place bets on others, pay salaries, order hookers and blow, etc. There are a couple of ways to cut a better deal at the start but those ways still involve either not owning the masters for a while, or owning them but splitting the mechanical royalties with the label. I do think this generation paid attention to some extent, bc starting in the early to mid-00s 'singer-songwriters' in pop became more the norm. It's not so common now to find an artist who doesn't claim to be a songwriter to some degree, whereas back in 1990 or so the inverse was true; a pop artist writing all her own songs like Mariah did was pretty rare. It's like a collective light bulb went off - 'oh, if we write, we can at least earn some royalties that way.' Taylor herself is a good example of this, since she was set up with a publishing deal from the beginning. This is not to defend the current industry setup as a whole (tl;dr: it is bulls**t and purposely designed to keep artists as uneducated as possible so that by the time they figure things out it's too late to do anything about it) but Taylor is a classic case of right message, wrong messenger. Probably 80-90% of acts at any given time don't own their masters; of that large bunch, she is massively better off than the rest in every way possible. Throw in the polarizing personality that she already had years before this, and it will be hard to find many outside of her fanbase who will empathize. Taking down Scooter won't change this even if it is doing God's work. There are actions that Taylor could do to undermine Scooter's investment (as you mentioned), and make it her masters more valuable in her hands than his. If she does so, that could pressure him into selling the masters back to her. It still won't be at a cheap price, but it could help her in negotiations. I don't know if she has the liquid resources to pay the full price for them, but maybe with help from UMG, who could be interested in buying the remaining Big Machine business, and with a loan (which she could pay back with touring and the revenue her masters generate), she could do it reasonable comfortably? In any case, I do think it makes sense for her to make her stance known now. If she takes half a year to re-record her albums and asks her fans to stream/buy those instead of the Scooter owned recordings because she doesn't want him to profit from her work, I suspect her efforts will get less attention and come of as less genuine, resulting in less support, if she only speaks on the issue 6 months from now rather than when news broke of his acquisition. She could also have been using her statement to test the waters before making some more concrete moves. For example, close to 200,000 fans have now signed a fan made petition (and a somewhat unprofessionally written one at that...) to have her re-record her albums, so now she knows that she has enough support on that that it could be something worth pursuing. As for the upcoming artists being influenced. I think it can also be about existing artists renewing record deals. The publicity that her post is getting might make some consider the importance of owning their masters (at least for future work), and they should have a much better chance to negotiate for that if their career is already of the ground. But record labels are also not as essential as they used to be. Sure, they can provide a valuable service, but with streaming and the ability for any artist to upload music online, I think an artist like Lil Nas X that is able to achieve initial success without a label could negotiate a compromise where he gets to own his masters, at least at some point down the line. I think with online stan culture being more prevalent, the odds of the next successful artist being relatively well informed about these kinds of things are higher. I mean, even Taylor I suspect wasn't exactly clueless... more like she didn't have much negotiating power, and was maybe a bit too trusting. But I think she did understand the music business pretty well for a 15 year old. She was watching VH1 documentaries, going into co-writing sessions with Nashville songwriters, even had a development deal and manager to learn from prior to signing BMR. She watched the documentary about how important it was for Faith Hill's career to have moved to Nashville, and probably watched what happened when the Dixie Chicks got political and had that influence her early career decisions. If instead one of her idols had spoken up about how they got screwed out of owning their masters, maybe she would have emphasized that more strongly when drawing up their record deal. |
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It seems to me Joseph Khan has more a grind to axe at this point than Taylor Swift. He has been tweeting since the drama broke and I wasnt born yesterday. This has more to do with his own grievances than hers. What did Scooby do to you sis?
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