Taylor Swift – Lover

[Taylor.]

I am curious who will speak up. So far I've only seen Tinashe and Slayyyter, and Slayyyter said this lmao

EDIT:
Oh and Todrick (obv) and Ruby Rose

[Au$tin]

Nov 14, 2019 19:14:03 GMT -5 deepston said:

Nov 14, 2019 19:12:35 GMT -5 Ty said:

I'm not saying she's a bully. But she's trying to turn her fans (who has nothing to do with this contract issue) into bullies.

If anything she's trying to put pressure on these 2 guys. She's not making any incentive to cyberbully them, she's asking her fans to pressure them.

You say that, but when one of her fans sends death threats or worse, actually attempts murder on one of these men, it's going to get back to her. We like to think people are rational, but there some who just aren't, and that seems to be elevated on Twitter. I understand and empathize with her situation, but getting random fans involved who have nothing to do with it and don't even fully understand the legalities behind everything is certainly not the solution. You see "pressure them" and take it as "fans sending messages to them pleading for them to change," but someone else sees "pressure them" and takes it several steps too far.

I love Taylor and I think it's important for her to get her story told (which is mostly what that tweet is and I can respect that), but urging fans to do something about it is in very poor taste. There are other ways to get fans involved without telling them to directly contact Scott and Scooter. Boycotting, protesting, petitioning, etc. Because what these men are doing is wrong. It may be legal, but it's incomprehensibly immoral at this point. A pushback from the industry would be much more effective than a bunch of fans attacking them. And having an avenue to tell her story is surely going to make that happen. Not to mention Taylor has quite the pull on many celebrities. She's networked her ass off these past 13 years, there's gotta be dozens, maybe even hundreds of people in the industry who personally know her at this point and will back her up. Honestly, that's where the pressure should be coming from.

[deepston]

Nov 14, 2019 19:45:43 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Nov 14, 2019 19:14:03 GMT -5 deepston said:

If anything she's trying to put pressure on these 2 guys. She's not making any incentive to cyberbully them, she's asking her fans to pressure them.

You say that, but when one of her fans sends death threats or worse, actually attempts murder on one of these men, it's going to get back to her. We like to think people are rational, but there some who just aren't, and that seems to be elevated on Twitter. I understand and empathize with her situation, but getting random fans involved who have nothing to do with it and don't even fully understand the legalities behind everything is certainly not the solution. You see "pressure them" and take it as "fans sending messages to them pleading for them to change," but someone else sees "pressure them" and takes it several steps too far.

I love Taylor and I think it's important for her to get her story told (which is mostly what that tweet is and I can respect that), but urging fans to do something about it is in very poor taste. There are other ways to get fans involved without telling them to directly contact Scott and Scooter. Boycotting, protesting, petitioning, etc.

She just wants people to talk. I understand your point of view but I think there would be always concerns whether or not she urged her fans to do anything.

[taylor is terrified]

Let Taylor

Nearly 12k out of 15k goal already signed.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I’m surprised she’d be unable to perform her songs on live tv. I thought owning the masters specifically referred only the recorded versions of her songs, not the songs themselves. I suppose I didn’t think about the live performance side of it. I thought if an artist wanted to do a cover of a song, or a live version of a song (including their own), they needed only permission from the songwriters. I suppose it makes sense they’d need publishers permission too.

[Snowbeast]

Nov 14, 2019 19:49:41 GMT -5 taylor is terrified said:

Let Taylor

Nearly 12k out of 15k goal already signed.

15k goal reached.

They should do one with a 100,000 signatures.

[Au$tin]

Nov 14, 2019 19:58:44 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

I’m surprised she’d be unable to perform her songs on live tv. I thought owning the masters specifically referred only the recorded versions of her songs, not the songs themselves. I suppose I didn’t think about the live performance side of it. I thought if an artist wanted to do a cover of a song, or a live version of a song (including their own), they needed only permission from the songwriters. I suppose it makes sense they’d need publishers permission too.

It seems as if the loophole here is the recording part. She's absolutely still able to perform her older catalog, just not if it's being recorded as that can be seen as a "new recorded version" of the track, which she's not able to do until November 2020. I think a respectable normal businessman would let it slide, but these men clearly aren't going for kind at this point. So technically any televised performances would be considered "recorded," and I would bet they'd also try to pull the same stunt with fan recordings at her shows. It's really despicable.

As for her not being able to rerecord her old material until 2020, I do believe this is due to laws on publishings to protect publishers from malicious intent. Sucks that it's being used against her, though.

[collegedropout]

WHY WAS SHE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ALL TOO WELL ON NPR TINY DESK?

[Au$tin]

Nov 14, 2019 20:07:27 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

WHY WAS SHE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ALL TOO WELL ON NPR TINY DESK?

Scott likely wasn't willing to push back hard at that point.

[Snowbeast]

Nov 14, 2019 20:07:27 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

WHY WAS SHE ALLOWED TO PERFORM ALL TOO WELL ON NPR TINY DESK?

This is a bigger platform and a melody of all her hits. They thought they’d have leverage with this — I think.

[collegedropout]

AMA's need to take back Ariana's 2019 awards and vow to never reward Bieber or Grande ever again. They need to side with Taylor.

[Au$tin]

Nov 14, 2019 20:25:59 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

AMA's need to take back Ariana's 2019 awards and vow to never reward Bieber or Grande ever again. They need to side with Taylor.

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

[nickd]

Nov 14, 2019 18:59:10 GMT -5 Snowbeast said:

Nov 14, 2019 18:52:46 GMT -5 nickd said:

Shouldn't she still be able to perform her songs if they're not being recorded? I guess the clause in the contract allows them to block televised performances, but I would think that as long as no official recordings are being made of them, she should be able to perform her old songs on tour.

They are being recorded though and the performance will rack up millions of views on YouTube. Dirty play, but she couldn’t have expected that they were going to play nice after that first statement.

Don’t play the victim angle (edit: even though she is a victim, I hate to see “I don’t know what else to do”. Yes you do, Taylor. Look at your f**king career. You’ll find a way). It will be over next year. She’s HAD to have written a song about this by now. Debut it at the awards show, say it’s available everywhere after the show, tack it onto the digital of Lover...the biggest revenge is success.

I know, I said I understand how they'd legally have the right to block performances that are televised like the AMAs, but she should still be able to perform them elsewhere (ex tours) if they aren't televised or used in concert films right?

And of course the biggest revenge is success. I doubt it's a coincidence she's tweeting about it the day after Lover Remix and the night before Beautiful Ghosts comes out. Raising awareness of the battle she's fighting will surely help her fight, it will help taint the reputation of Scooter and Borchetta when it comes to them getting new artists by calling out their tactics, and help maximize the amount of people who will consume her re-recordings over the old ones.

[KeepDeanWeird]

So I ‘forgot’ Taylor existed shortly after ‘Lover’ was released. During past 24 hrs, she’s realized a polarizing remix, dropping a new song in a few hours and is reigniting a business/personal feud. I love it when she decides to be omnipresent.

While I admire her business savvy, I don’t like that there’s plenty of evidence she wasn’t ‘blindsided’ nor do I respect her asking fans to badger other others to further her cause. This is strictly business aka $$$. I am, however, looking forward to Nov 2020 re-recordings. I know she’ll produce a sonically equivalent to the originals - not like that cheap re-recorded stuff done by legacy artists to get their slice aka Flashdance.

[collegedropout]

Nov 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:25:59 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

AMA's need to take back Ariana's 2019 awards and vow to never reward Bieber or Grande ever again. They need to side with Taylor.

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

Well it's to punish Scooter. He is their manager and it's his job to book them stages. When he approaches the AMAs to book his clients, AMAs need to reject him. Once his clients find out why they're not booking that stage that they speak of, they'll hopefully dump him.

[#brayden]

Nov 14, 2019 20:51:39 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

Well it's to punish Scooter. He is their manager and it's his job to book them stages. When he approaches the AMAs to book his clients, AMAs need to reject him. Once his clients find out why they're not booking that stage that they speak of, they'll hopefully dump him.

LOL

Great #tbt

[nickd]

Nov 14, 2019 19:10:33 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

I’m so confused, if she’s the writer of those songs how it she not able to perform them? The writers have the say on everything, don’t they?

She can still perform them, but I guess they can block her from performing them in any situations where they'll get recorded until November 2020.

It's common for record deals to have clauses about re-recording albums to try to profit off the masters they own as long as possible. In her case it looks like the clause was that she can't re-record the album until 2 years after the expiry of her record deal and 5 (?) years after the release of her album. Generally those re-recording clauses are only intended to block the artist from recording new masters but in this case it seems like they're abusing the clause by using it to ruin her AOTD moment at the AMAs. I'm a bit surprised they can block the use of old performances for the Netflix documentary though since I would've expected that clause to only be usable on future re-recordings that they didn't approve rather than any other recordings that they already approved and shouldn't own (since they only own the masters not the publishing rights).

But maybe they own the concert recordings too if they paid for those? That would suck, if she's not able to use recordings from the Fearless, Speak Now, 1989 and reputation tour movies for documentaries, even after the re-recording clause expires in 2020. Hopefully she paid for many of those concert movies and they don't own them...

I wonder how hard she'll be able to fuck them over after 2020 though, like if she can pull her old recordings off streaming and radio and only allow them to use the new ones?

[nickd]

Nov 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:25:59 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

AMA's need to take back Ariana's 2019 awards and vow to never reward Bieber or Grande ever again. They need to side with Taylor.

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

I think they also have contracts with sunset clauses that require them to continue paying Scooter his commission 4-5 years after they decide to end his contract. The contract is probably a certain % of sales, and who knows if they'll even be big 4-5 years from now (esp. if Scooter tries to sabotage them). It's definitely a pretty shitty contract but sure, lets talk about how new artists shouldn't sign with Scooter because he's not the benevolent supporter of artists he pretends to be. 

[nickd]

Nov 14, 2019 20:50:02 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

So I ‘forgot’ Taylor existed shortly after ‘Lover’ was released. During past 24 hrs, she’s realized a polarizing remix, dropping a new song in a few hours and is reigniting a business/personal feud. I love it when she decides to be omnipresent.

While I admire her business savvy, I don’t like that there’s plenty of evidence she wasn’t ‘blindsided’ nor do I respect her asking fans to badger other others to further her cause. This is strictly business aka $$$. I am, however, looking forward to Nov 2020 re-recordings. I know she’ll produce a sonically equivalent to the originals - not like that cheap re-recorded stuff done by legacy artists to get their slice aka Flashdance.

Trying to create bad PR for Scoot and Scott and enlisting her fans to help her is also just business.

[Au$tin]

Nov 14, 2019 20:51:39 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

Well it's to punish Scooter. He is their manager and it's his job to book them stages. When he approaches the AMAs to book his clients, AMAs need to reject him. Once his clients find out why they're not booking that stage that they speak of, they'll hopefully dump him.

But you're hurting more than Scooter at that point at the expense of people who have no association with this issue. They are under contracts, after all. It's not like they can just leave him. It takes a lot to get out from under a contract. Did you miss the entire Kesha/Dr. Luke thing? She's still under him.

[Leigh]

Nov 14, 2019 21:11:12 GMT -5 nickd said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

I think they also have contracts with sunset clauses that require them to continue paying Scooter his commission 4-5 years after they decide to end his contract. The contract is probably a certain % of sales, and who knows if they'll even be big 4-5 years from now (esp. if Scooter tries to sabotage them). It's definitely a pretty s**tty contract but sure, lets talk about how new artists shouldn't sign with Scooter because he's not the benevolent supporter of artists he pretends to be. 

And yet sadly they will because the new artists are so hungry for a start that they’re easily exploited by men like Scooter. It’s such a tragic, age-old tale 😕

[KeepDeanWeird]

Nov 14, 2019 21:13:30 GMT -5 nickd said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:50:02 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

So I ‘forgot’ Taylor existed shortly after ‘Lover’ was released. During past 24 hrs, she’s realized a polarizing remix, dropping a new song in a few hours and is reigniting a business/personal feud. I love it when she decides to be omnipresent.

While I admire her business savvy, I don’t like that there’s plenty of evidence she wasn’t ‘blindsided’ nor do I respect her asking fans to badger other others to further her cause. This is strictly business aka $$$. I am, however, looking forward to Nov 2020 re-recordings. I know she’ll produce a sonically equivalent to the originals - not like that cheap re-recorded stuff done by legacy artists to get their slice aka Flashdance.

Trying to create bad PR for Scoot and Scott and enlisting her fans to help her is also just business.

Scott/Scoot definitely business. The other artists is petty and brings them into a fight without their consent. It’d be different if AG or Biebs chimed in on their own volition. Taylor has always been an advocate for other artists, so this move is perplexing.

[collegedropout]

Nov 14, 2019 21:14:25 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:51:39 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

Well it's to punish Scooter. He is their manager and it's his job to book them stages. When he approaches the AMAs to book his clients, AMAs need to reject him. Once his clients find out why they're not booking that stage that they speak of, they'll hopefully dump him.

But you're hurting more than Scooter at that point at the expense of people who have no association with this issue. They are under contracts, after all. It's not like they can just leave him. It takes a lot to get out from under a contract. Did you miss the entire Kesha/Dr. Luke thing? She's still under him.

Well it's never going to be just Scooter that hurts. If Taylor sues him and wins, you're hurting his wife and kids. Taylor blasting him ruins his reputation and also affects his company which affects other artists on the label and so on and so on.

You're right they can't just leave. But his job is to book his clients and the AMAs shouldn't work with him. If he has less opportunities to book clients, his clients make less money and that's less commission for him. A smart businessman wouldn't fight that battle.

[collegedropout]

Nov 14, 2019 21:11:12 GMT -5 nickd said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

I think they also have contracts with sunset clauses that require them to continue paying Scooter his commission 4-5 years after they decide to end his contract. The contract is probably a certain % of sales, and who knows if they'll even be big 4-5 years from now (esp. if Scooter tries to sabotage them). It's definitely a pretty s**tty contract but sure, lets talk about how new artists shouldn't sign with Scooter because he's not the benevolent supporter of artists he pretends to be. 

To be fair he does get the job done. He turned Justin Bieber into a legit adult superstar. He took Ariana Grande to main pop girl status. 

[nickd]

Nov 14, 2019 19:38:40 GMT -5 taylor is terrified said:

I can barely find the words to articulate how thoroughly disgusted I am. I genuinely feel like I could vomit. To literally own 19 songs (counting Beautiful Ghosts out tomorrow) out of seven albums over 13 years is something I could never imagine happening to me. Songs like ATW were not written for two tyrannical men to own them.

And she is not asking us fans to bully them. She is asking us fans, the people who've been by her side for 13 years, to help her reason as much as possible with these two. There is a huge difference.

It saddens and disgusts me that these two pigs are basically doing whatever they can to keep her out of the spotlight until November 2020. And if they even try to prevent these re-recordings I'm going to spit fire.

@ Ariana Grande, Scootie's main chick: fight like hell for Taylor because I know you care about your fellow artists. Risk it all if you have to, but I urge you to make an effort. (Sad for you too that you likely don't truly own any of your music either.)

Yeah this post is a rambling mess but like I said I'm kinda speechless. WTF

And I CAN'T at that tweet!!! 

ok well, not bullying, but Scott "she's 14 but looks 21" Borchetta is still a creep for having her do saucy photoshoots in her garage when she was 15 and probably hurt that she quickly put an end to that.

And Scooter Braun still bought Big Machine using a loan from an investment group that profits from the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world.

And the Carlyle Group is still profiting from arms sales to Saudi Arabia, which Saudi Arabia is using to bomb the Yemeni people and blockade them, preventing shipments of essential supplies like food and medicine from reaching the war torn region, leading to thousands of deaths due to famine and cholera outbreaks, with 20 million people in need of humanitarian protection or assistance.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Ofc I'm with Taylor here, but don't know how fans can help her with death threats.

[SoMuchToSay]

I’m kinda torn on this. On one hand, Taylor Swift wouldn’t be Taylor Swift without Scott Borchetta and Big Machine. Plus god only knows how much money she got switching labels, which in return meant having to give up her masters - she knew what she was doing. I wouldn’t says she’s exactly a victim in all this. But on the other hand, why wouldn’t Scooter / Scott want her to perform those songs, making them more money. Seems super petty and not smart business. But that’s just my opinion. Lol

[Crimsonio]

I stand with Taylor and anyone who doesn't is not a true lover of music.

[collegedropout]

Nov 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:25:59 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

AMA's need to take back Ariana's 2019 awards and vow to never reward Bieber or Grande ever again. They need to side with Taylor.

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

Also, didn't Ariana already fire Scooter in 2016 (only to rehire him later that year)?

[Au$tin]

Nov 14, 2019 21:47:46 GMT -5 collegedropout said:

Nov 14, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

That's totally unfair to punish artists signed under him, especially when they signed with him long before any of this and have nothing to do with it now other than being artists associated with him.

Also, didn't Ariana already fire Scooter in 2016 (only to rehire him later that year)?

Yes? Which is still all before this happened and an entirely new contract.