jenglisbe
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 9, 2019 23:43:52 GMT -5
I still don't understand why people are only comparing those two songs. The post that started the discussion also suggested "Shallow" is bigger than songs like "Shape of You," "God's Plan," and "Despacito."
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jtd Thee Stallion
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Mar 10, 2019 0:02:50 GMT -5
Y’all still going son? It’s like a bunch of kids arguing at the playground about who gets to go down the slide first.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 10, 2019 0:13:09 GMT -5
LOL - why? Of course Can't Stop The feeling sold more than Shallow, Digital Sales were still a thing back then Also, Shallow doesn't have the 62 week longevity because it hasn't been out that long
The dangers of comparing success of songs in two different time periods. These stats don't work
Except not really. It isn't a "different time period". That'd be like saying you can only compare songs released within the same year. It's longevity won't last that long. And as I already said, its streaming does not make up for the sales loss, therefore you can't use that as an excuse. Even looking at Hot 100 performance, Timberlake's song is far better performing than Gaga's, which was hovering around the 20s prior to the Oscars. And it seems like it'll have a quick descent down back to that area. Some of your minds must be boggled over the non hit that is Stairway to Heaven tbh
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 10, 2019 0:20:48 GMT -5
So last week (03/09) thank u, next posted its 17th week in the Top 10, becoming Ariana's longest-running song in the Top 10, surpassing the 16 week reign of Problem. Little interesting fact.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 0:42:38 GMT -5
So last week (03/09) thank u, next posted its 17th week in the Top 10, becoming Ariana's longest-running song in the Top 10, surpassing the 16 week reign of Problem. Little interesting fact. How long did Bang Bang spend? :))
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Post by chartslovergermany on Mar 10, 2019 2:29:34 GMT -5
anyway simon tweeted that he calculated the yt streams for sucker wrong because it’s freefalling and he think it won’t be #1,yaaaaaaaaaaaas. Thank god 😍😍 Let's go Ariana&Cardi
Edit:read it too fast,sorry my mistake 😂😂😂
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Post by Naos on Mar 10, 2019 2:44:44 GMT -5
anyway simon tweeted that he calculated the yt streams for sucker wrong because it’s freefalling and he think it won’t be #1,yaaaaaaaaaaaas. Thank god 😍😍 Let's go Ariana&Cardi I don't see that... where? Closest I saw was this
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Mar 10, 2019 3:22:08 GMT -5
Reading comprehension is essential.
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Post by Crimsonio on Mar 10, 2019 3:39:11 GMT -5
So last week (03/09) thank u, next posted its 17th week in the Top 10, becoming Ariana's longest-running song in the Top 10, surpassing the 16 week reign of Problem. Little interesting fact. How long did Bang Bang spend? Bang Bang spent 16 weeks in the Top 10, so another close one!
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Post by chartslovergermany on Mar 10, 2019 4:21:47 GMT -5
anyway simon tweeted that he calculated the yt streams for sucker wrong because it’s freefalling and he think it won’t be #1,yaaaaaaaaaaaas. Thank god 😍😍 Let's go Ariana&Cardi I don't see that... where? Closest I saw was this ooops,read to fast😂😂😂sh*t😂😂😂😂 I was too exited _(._.)_
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Post by chartslovergermany on Mar 10, 2019 4:22:15 GMT -5
Reading comprehension is essential. true😂😂my bad
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Mar 10, 2019 4:54:48 GMT -5
Anyone knows if Eastside is No. 1 on radio right now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 7:47:55 GMT -5
Anyone knows if Eastside is No. 1 on radio right now? I do and it's not #1 as of today.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 7:49:54 GMT -5
Final prediction:
Position. Song: Sales + Radio AI + Streams = Total points 1. Sucker: 80K + 25M + 50M = 440 2. 7 rings: 20K + 86.5M + 37M = 360 3. Sunflower: 20K + 63M + 35M = 305 4-5. Please Me: 25K + 48M + 36.5M = 300 4-5. Without Me: 15K + 104M + 26.5M = 300 6. Shallow: 55K + 42M + 23.5M = 275 7. Thotiana: 10K + 20M + 36.5M = 245 8-12. Happier: 10K + 72.5M + 22M = 230 8-12. MIDDLE CHILD: 5K + 24.5M + 34M = 230 8-12. Murder on My Mind: 5K + 41M + 0M = 230 8-12. SICKO MODE: 5K + 48.5M + 29M = 230 8-12. Wow.: 20K + 63.5M + 21.5M = 230 13. thank u, next: 5K + 76M + 19.5M = 210
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jenglisbe
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 10, 2019 9:12:16 GMT -5
Regardless of whether it gets a second week at #1, "Sucker" has held up well in downloads and on Spotify.
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Post by gabe on Mar 10, 2019 9:39:04 GMT -5
pulse trying to argue opinions as facts? can't say i'm surprised
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 10, 2019 9:41:32 GMT -5
8-12. Murder on My Mind: 5K + 41M + 0M = 230 8-12. SICKO MODE: 5K + 48.5M + 29M = 230 8-12. Wow.: 20K + 63.5M + 21.5M = 230 I don't understand this math.
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Post by fhas on Mar 10, 2019 10:13:17 GMT -5
Regardless of whether it gets a second week at #1, "Sucker" has held up well in downloads and on Spotify. Sucker had a huge lead on iTunes and Spotify and that's the reason it's still #1 on both metrics, but it's not holding well. It's predicted to sell 79k this week and looking at Kworb's pop bars I don't think it's going to sell more than 45k next week. That's at least a 43% loss in downloads. On Spotify, it lost 43% on Friday (vs. last week's Friday) and 32% on Saturday (vs. last week's Saturday).
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 10, 2019 10:33:33 GMT -5
^Another place, I'd expect it to not hold up as well is YouTube weekly views. It managed 16.6M in the US last week in the US but it seems it would be getting clisr to that worldwide next week, which works out to more than a 70% drop.
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Post by Xander on Mar 10, 2019 10:37:53 GMT -5
I think next week will be a battle for #1 between Ariana and Cardi:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 10:39:29 GMT -5
8-12. Murder on My Mind: 5K + 41M + 0M = 230 8-12. SICKO MODE: 5K + 48.5M + 29M = 230 8-12. Wow.: 20K + 63.5M + 21.5M = 230 I don't understand this math. I did sales/6, AI/8, streaming/18 then I rounded out the total to 0 or 5.
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 10, 2019 11:03:06 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
March 9, 1959 (For the week ending March 14)
01 07 Venus - Frankie Avalon (1st of 5 weeks at #1) 02 03 Charlie Brown - The Coasters 03 01 Stagger Lee - Lloyd Price 04 02 Donna - Ritchie Valens 05 10 Alvin's Harmonica - David Seville & The Chipmunks 06 13 I've Had It - The Bell Notes 07 15 It's Just a Matter Of Time - Brook Benton 08 05 Petite Fleur - Chris Barber's Jazz Band 09 06 I Cried a Tear - LaVern Baker 10 04 16 Candles - The Crests
19 41 There'll Never Be Anyone Else But You - Ricky Nelson
March 14, 1964
01 01 I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles (7th and final week at #1) 02 02 She Loves You - The Beatles 03 04 Please Please Me - The Beatles 04 03 Dawn - The Four Seasons 05 05 Java - Al Hirt 06 07 Navy Blue - Diane Renay 07 09 Fun Fun Fun - The Beach Boys 08 06 California Sun - The Rivieras 09 10 See The Funny Little Clown - Bobby Goldsboro 10 11 I Love You More And More Every Day - Al Martino
March 15, 1969
01 04 Dizzy - Tommy Roe (1st of 4 weeks at #1) 02 02 Proud Mary - Creedence Clearwater Revival 03 01 Everyday People - Sly & The Family Stone 04 03 Build Me Up Buttercup - The Foundations 05 17 Traces - The Classics IV 06 05 Crimson And Clover - Tommy James & The Shondells 07 07 This Girl's In Love With You - Dionne Warwick 08 10 Indian Giver - 1910 Fruitgum Co. 09 20 Time Of The Season - The Zombies 10 06 This Magic Moment - Jay & The Americans
18 47 Galveston - Glen Campbell
March 16, 1974
01 01 Seasons In The Sun - Terry Jacks (3rd and final week at #1) 02 02 Boogie Down - Eddie Kendricks 03 06 Dark Lady - Cher 04 10 Sunshine On My Shoulders - John Denver 05 03 The Way We Were - Barbra Streisand 06 08 Mockingbird - Carly Simon & James Taylor 07 04 Jungle Boogie - Kool & The Gang 08 05 Rock On - David Essex 09 07 Spiders And Snakes - Jim Stafford 10 14 Jet - Wings
March 17, 1979
01 01 I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor (2nd of 3 weeks at #1) 02 03 Tragedy - The Bee Gees 03 02 Da Ya Think I'm Sexy? - Rod Stewart 04 05 Heaven Knows - Donna Summer w/Brooklyn Dreams 05 07 Shake Your Groove Thing - Peaches & Herb 06 08 What a Fool Believes - The Doobie Brothers 07 04 Fire - The Pointer Sisters 08 10 Sultans Of Swing - Dire Straits 09 06 A Little More Love - Olivia Newton-John 10 15 What You Won't Do For Love - Bobby Caldwell
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 10, 2019 11:26:25 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
March 17, 1984
01 01 Jump - Van Halen (4th of 5 weeks at #1) 02 02 Girls Just Want To Have Fun - Cyndi Lauper 03 05 Somebody's Watching Me - Rockwell 04 03 99 Luftballons - Nena 05 09 Footloose - Kenny Loggins 06 04 Thriller - Michael Jackson 07 07 I Want a New Drug - Huey Lewis & The News 08 08 Here Comes The Rain - The Eurythmics 09 06 Nobody Told Me - John Lennon 10 12 New Moon On Monday - Duran Duran
March 18, 1989
01 01 Lost In Your Eyes - Debbie Gibson (3rd and final week at #1) 02 02 The Living Years - Mike & The Mechanics 03 04 Roni - Bobby Brown 04 07 Girl You Know It's True - Milli Vanilli 05 05 Paradise City - Guns N' Roses 06 11 Eternal Flame - The Bangles 07 09 My Heart Can't Tell You No - Rod Stewart 08 13 The Look - Roxette 09 03 You Got It (The Right Stuff) - New Kids On The Block 10 12 Don't Tell Me Lies - Breathe
March 19, 1994
01 01 The Sign - Ace Of Base (2nd of 6 weeks at #1) 02 02 The Power Of Love - Celine Dion 03 04 Without You / Never Forget You - Mariah Carey 04 03 Whatta Man - Salt-N-Pepa feat. En Vogue 05 06 Bump N' Grind - R. Kelly 06 05 So Much In Love - All-4-One 07 08 Now And Forever - Richard Marx 08 07 Breathe Again - Toni Braxton 09 12 Gin And Juice - Snoop Doggy Dogg 10 11 Because Of Love - Janet Jackson
March 13, 1999
01 02 Believe - Cher (1st of 4 weeks at #1) 02 01 Angel Of Mine - Monica 03 03 Heartbreak Hotel - Whitney Houston feat. Faith Evans & Kelly Price 04 04 Angel - Sarah McLachlan 05 06 All I Have To Give - The Backstreet Boys 06 21 I Still Believe - Mariah Carey 07 07 Nobody's Supposed To Be Here - Deborah Cox 08 05 ...Baby One More Time - Britney Spears 09 12 Every Morning - Sugar Ray 10 15 No Scrubs - TLC
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 10, 2019 11:58:44 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback:
March 13, 2004
01 01 Yeah! - Usher feat. Ludacris & Lil Jon (3rd of 12 weeks at #1) 02 04 One Call Away - Chingy feat. J. Weav 03 02 Slow Jamz - Twista feat. Kanye West & Jamie Foxx 04 03 The Way You Move - Outkast feat. Sleepy Brown 05 08 Tipsy - J-Kwon 06 07 Hotel - Cassidy feat. R. Kelly 07 05 Me, Myself And I - Beyonce 08 09 Splash Waterfalls - Ludacris 09 10 Sorry 2004 - Ruben Studdard 10 06 Hey Ya! - Outkast
March 14, 2009
01 01 Right Round - Flo Rida (3rd of 6 weeks at #1) 02 02 Dead And Gone - T.I. feat. Justin Timberlake 03 06 Poker Face - Lady Gaga 04 09 Kiss Me Thru The Phone - Soulja Boy Tell 'Em feat. Sammie 05 04 Gives You Hell - The All-American Rejects 06 03 Heartless - Kanye West 07 07 Just Dance - Lady Gaga feat. Colby O'Donis 08 05 Crack a Bottle - Eminem feat. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent 09 08 Love Story - Taylor Swift 10 10 My Life Would Suck Without You - Kelly Clarkson
15 100 Jai Ho! (You Are My Destiny) - A.R. Rahman & The Pussycat Dolls feat. Nicole Scherzinger
March 15, 2014
01 01 Happy - Pharrell (2nd of 10 weeks at #1) 02 02 Dark Horse - Katy Perry feat. Juicy J 03 03 Talk Dirty - Jason Derulo feat. 2 Chainz 04 04 All Of Me - John Legend 05 06 Pompeii - Bastille 06 07 Team - Lorde 07 05 Drunk In Love - Beyonce feat. Jay-Z 08 09 Counting Stars - OneRepublic 09 08 Say Something - A Great Big World feat. Christina Aguilera 10 10 Timber - Pitbull feat. Ke$ha
23 97 Partition - Beyonce
March 17, 2018
01 01 God's Plan - Drake (7th of 11 weeks at #1) 02 03 Perfect - Ed Sheeran 03 04 Finesse - Bruno Mars & Cardi B 04 02 Psycho - Post Malone feat. Ty Dolla $ign 05 07 Meant To Be - Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line 06 05 Havana - Camila Cabello feat. Young Thug 07 06 Look Alive - Blocboy JB feat. Drake 08 11 The Middle - Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey 09 09 Pray For Me - The Weeknd & Kendrick Lamar 10 12 Stir Fry - Migos
17 NE Sad! - XXXTentacion 22 NE Top Off - DJ Khaled feat. Jay-Z, Future & Beyonce
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 10, 2019 11:59:03 GMT -5
The sales arguments between can’t stop the feeling and shallow are silly. Digital sales collapsed and are only becoming more obsolete as the months (not years go by) Can’t stop the feeling was the only song from that Time frame to sell 3 million (closer is super close if not already there) showing it’s a leader Shallow will be one of three songs released in 2018 to pass 1 million in sales. Gods plan has sold 1.05 million and girls like you is around ~975k. In a few months time shallow could be the best selling song from 2018 and showing it’s a leader. Both songs are sales monsters and neither was bigger than the other in the sales department when adjudsted for the decline in digital sales Why are only sales being compared? My post was In response to several posts on the previous page (which is why I didn’t quote just one person). I don’t have the info nor the opinion to speak on other metric comparisons but there were several previous sales arguments which felt silly to me Bc basically they are both leaders in the year they were released
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Mar 10, 2019 13:45:13 GMT -5
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Post by dynamac on Mar 10, 2019 13:49:50 GMT -5
Looks like 2 Chainz will have little to no impact. I also expected sucker to have a bigger lead @ #1 then it has rn
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Post by Naos on Mar 10, 2019 13:58:30 GMT -5
That's an underwhelming start for the Thomas Rhett single, considering "Craving You" debuted at #53.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 10, 2019 14:15:48 GMT -5
Regardless of whether it gets a second week at #1, "Sucker" has held up well in downloads and on Spotify. Sucker had a huge lead on iTunes and Spotify and that's the reason it's still #1 on both metrics, but it's not holding well. It's predicted to sell 79k this week and looking at Kworb's pop bars I don't think it's going to sell more than 45k next week. That's at least a 43% loss in downloads. On Spotify, it lost 43% on Friday (vs. last week's Friday) and 32% on Saturday (vs. last week's Saturday). What are normal drops for big songs, though? Also, let's be real; who would have predicted it would still be #1 on iTunes and Spotify a full week after its debut? That's my point.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 10, 2019 14:56:34 GMT -5
^Positional drops generally tell less than actual numbers. That said Sucker still being #1 in Spotify is unexpected at this point.
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