kierz7
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Post by kierz7 on May 1, 2019 8:04:53 GMT -5
WHEW! LMAO. The stans...
Anyhow @drakeisskinny... Has "In My Feelings" been certified yet? Should it be around 6-8x platinum?
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Post by jenglisbe on May 1, 2019 8:17:57 GMT -5
I don't understand why people here are so quick to judge/criticize an artist or a record company going out of their way to get a #1 hit. Who wouldn't want a #1 hit? How is that desperate or shady? Those are two different concepts/questions. |
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Post by moonlite on May 1, 2019 8:21:26 GMT -5
Me falls to #7 on Apple Music....
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Post by mzumii on May 1, 2019 8:24:24 GMT -5
Republic would benefit by focusing more on Post Malone, imagine if he had as much promo as Ariana or Taylor for his new releases.
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Post by Sambalada on May 1, 2019 8:26:19 GMT -5
NOT radio deals being counted as part of the "shady tactics" lol!  |
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Post by Caviar on May 1, 2019 8:34:32 GMT -5
I wonder if this thread will exceed 40 pages by Monday.
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Post by fhas on May 1, 2019 8:50:17 GMT -5
Kworb's updated sales prediction:
ME! 133k (-15k)
Old Town Road 71.6k (-8.2k)
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Post by mackattack on May 1, 2019 8:54:12 GMT -5
Republic would benefit by focusing more on Post Malone, imagine if he had as much promo as Ariana or Taylor for his new releases. Pop stars (in general I've found) tend to do more promo than hip hop artists for some reason. |
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Post by fhas on May 1, 2019 8:57:08 GMT -5
● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes ● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) ●Instructing fans how to gift properly to count as a sale (X) ●Retweeting and posting fans who gift the song ●10 digital single downloads with CD/Vinyl purchase (X) ●Limited edition 24 hour merch bundles everyday this week (X) ●Hosting daily streaming parties with #ListenToMe (X) ●Spotify vertical video with sneak peak of BBMAs performance (X) ●Spotify vertical loop on her entire discography promoting the song (X) ●Autographing select merch bundles (X) ●Instagram/Facebook ads (X) ●TikTok ads (X) ●Spotify pop-up ad (X) ●YouTube ads abuot merch bundles (X) ●YouTube ads with the entire MV (counts as views) (X) ●Every single banner on iTunes (5 banners) (X) ●Every single banner on Apple Music (5 banners) (X) ●Spotify banner + 100M playlist audience reach ●Billboards worldwide ●Billboard Music Awards opening performance ●YouTube notifying non-subscribers about the MV ●Announced the song at NFL Draft 1st round to 11M+ live viewers ●Good Morning America interview ●ABC/NFL/ESPN commercial with the song (X) ●Daily updating of the Spotify vertical loop (X) ●MV behind the scenes (counts as streams) ●Radio interviews ●Radio deal on Pop format ●Radio deal on HAC format ●Four Vinyl singles ●CD single with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) And more. Even if this somehow goes #1, just to see what she needed to do to beat a song that her fanbase thought was a just "meme, trap/country bs... that Taylor would destroy" is great. Also, the ~40% drop in points from LWYMMD to ME! is a tremenduous decline. |
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Post by ddlz on May 1, 2019 8:59:39 GMT -5
People are ridiculous and hypocritical re: "tactics". When your fave does it, it's amazing/incredible/"omg their MIND"/etc. but when someone they don't like does the same f**king thing then how desperate/sad/pathetic/cheaters/cancel them. Like... f**k off maybe? No, they only care when a big female pop star does it. I said the same thing in Travis Scott's HDD thread, when I was pretty much alone having meltdowns about Billboard's loopholes. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on May 1, 2019 8:59:56 GMT -5
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Post by owenlovesmusic on May 1, 2019 9:06:56 GMT -5
Republic would benefit by focusing more on Post Malone, imagine if he had as much promo as Ariana or Taylor for his new releases. Pop stars (in general I've found) tend to do more promo than hip hop artists for some reason. Except Post Malone is both... a pop star and a hip hop artist. Every single that he has released in the past year has gone straight to the top 3 with little to no promo. |
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Post by kierz7 on May 1, 2019 9:11:29 GMT -5
● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes ● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) ●Instructing fans how to gift properly to count as a sale (X) ●Retweeting and posting fans who gift the song ●10 digital single downloads with CD/Vinyl purchase (X) ●Limited edition 24 hour merch bundles everyday this week (X) ●Hosting daily streaming parties with #ListenToMe (X) ●Spotify vertical video with sneak peak of BBMAs performance (X) ●Spotify vertical loop on her entire discography promoting the song (X) ●Autographing select merch bundles (X) ●Instagram/Facebook ads (X) ●TikTok ads (X) ●Spotify pop-up ad (X) ●YouTube ads abuot merch bundles (X) ●YouTube ads with the entire MV (counts as views) (X) ●Every single banner on iTunes (5 banners) (X) ●Every single banner on Apple Music (5 banners) (X) ●Spotify banner + 100M playlist audience reach ●Billboards worldwide ●Billboard Music Awards opening performance ●YouTube notifying non-subscribers about the MV ●Announced the song at NFL Draft 1st round to 11M+ live viewers ●Good Morning America interview ●ABC/NFL/ESPN commercial with the song (X) ●Daily updating of the Spotify vertical loop (X) ●MV behind the scenes (counts as streams) ●Radio interviews ●Radio deal on Pop format ●Radio deal on HAC format ●Four Vinyl singles ●CD single with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) And more. Even if this somehow goes #1, just to see what she needed to do to beat a song that her fanbase thought was a just "meme, trap/country bs... that Taylor would destroy" is great. Also, the ~40% drop in points from LWYMMD to ME! is a tremenduous decline. Exactly. To witness how many of her stans have been moving the goal posts this past week is hilarious. At first it was: "Finally! I can't wait for Taylor to kick that awful meme out of the top spot. Talent will win! True talent will prevail". Now that "ME!" isn't going #1: "Why are people dragging Taylor? No other Female would be able to surpass "OTR" if they released now. "OTR" is on of the biggest songs of the decade; it's huge. Let's see your faves debut at #2". LMFAO! Lil Nas X even replied to someone on Twitter last night saying that some Swifties were in his DM's sending him threats! The decline from "LWYMMD" to "ME!" is tremendous and they can't stand it. Even if we REMOVE sales from the equation... The streams are a mess too. |
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Post by Az Paynter on May 1, 2019 9:12:52 GMT -5
People are ridiculous and hypocritical re: "tactics". When your fave does it, it's amazing/incredible/"omg their MIND"/etc. but when someone they don't like does the same f**king thing then how desperate/sad/pathetic/cheaters/cancel them. Like... f**k off maybe? No, they only care when a big female pop star does it. I said the same thing in Travis Scott's HDD thread, when I was pretty much alone having meltdowns about Billboard's loopholes. I believe that falls under the category of 'someone they don't like'. Nothing I said was incorrect. :sip2: In these threads it only seems to be okay when it's done by hip-hop artists (sans Nicki). And Ariana Grande. |
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Post by tallen2001 on May 1, 2019 9:18:31 GMT -5
This Hot 100 thread has basically become the Taylor Swift thread.
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Post by ddlz on May 1, 2019 9:25:31 GMT -5
LMFAO! ● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes ● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) ●Instructing fans how to gift properly to count as a sale (X) ●Retweeting and posting fans who gift the song ●10 digital single downloads with CD/Vinyl purchase (X) ●Limited edition 24 hour merch bundles everyday this week (X) ●Hosting daily streaming parties with #ListenToMe (X) ●Spotify vertical video with sneak peak of BBMAs performance (X) ●Spotify vertical loop on her entire discography promoting the song (X) ●Autographing select merch bundles (X) ●Instagram/Facebook ads (X) ●TikTok ads (X) ●Spotify pop-up ad (X) ●YouTube ads abuot merch bundles (X) ●YouTube ads with the entire MV (counts as views) (X) ●Every single banner on iTunes (5 banners) (X) ●Every single banner on Apple Music (5 banners) (X) ●Spotify banner + 100M playlist audience reach ●Billboards worldwide ●Billboard Music Awards opening performance ●YouTube notifying non-subscribers about the MV ●Announced the song at NFL Draft 1st round to 11M+ live viewers ●Good Morning America interview ●ABC/NFL/ESPN commercial with the song (X) ●Daily updating of the Spotify vertical loop (X) ●MV behind the scenes (counts as streams) ●Radio interviews ●Radio deal on Pop format ●Radio deal on HAC format ●Four Vinyl singles ●CD single with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) And more. Wait, is this Taylor's promo? Lmao! Wtf is this? This one is news to me and it sounds incredibly shady. |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on May 1, 2019 9:25:42 GMT -5
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Post by ddlz on May 1, 2019 9:46:00 GMT -5
The fact that Billboard isn't even attempting to strengthen the rules and close at least some of the many loopholes is beyond baffling to me. The scam tactics are now approaching unimaginable levels of insanity. We had remixes and discounts before, but this what labels are doing right now is something else entirely.
The UK charts, as ridiculous as they are, have more credibility than Billboard at this point. That's how bad things have gotten.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 1, 2019 9:51:27 GMT -5
Come on, Sweet but Psycho! |
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Post by Verisimilitude on May 1, 2019 9:53:39 GMT -5
The fact that Billboard isn't even attempting to strengthen the rules and close at least some of the many loopholes is beyond baffling to me. The scam tactics are now approaching unimaginable levels of insanity. We had remixes and discounts before, but this what labels are doing right now is something else entirely. The UK charts, as ridiculous as they are, have more credibility than Billboard at this point. That's how bad things have gotten. No, they don't. Their Accelerated Chart Ratio is the dumbest rule on any of the global charts at the moment. |
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Post by kierz7 on May 1, 2019 9:57:46 GMT -5
LMFAO! ● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes ● Asking fans to gift the song on iTunes with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) ●Instructing fans how to gift properly to count as a sale (X) ●Retweeting and posting fans who gift the song ●10 digital single downloads with CD/Vinyl purchase (X) ●Limited edition 24 hour merch bundles everyday this week (X) ●Hosting daily streaming parties with #ListenToMe (X) ●Spotify vertical video with sneak peak of BBMAs performance (X) ●Spotify vertical loop on her entire discography promoting the song (X) ●Autographing select merch bundles (X) ●Instagram/Facebook ads (X) ●TikTok ads (X) ●Spotify pop-up ad (X) ●YouTube ads abuot merch bundles (X) ●YouTube ads with the entire MV (counts as views) (X) ●Every single banner on iTunes (5 banners) (X) ●Every single banner on Apple Music (5 banners) (X) ●Spotify banner + 100M playlist audience reach ●Billboards worldwide ●Billboard Music Awards opening performance ●YouTube notifying non-subscribers about the MV ●Announced the song at NFL Draft 1st round to 11M+ live viewers ●Good Morning America interview ●ABC/NFL/ESPN commercial with the song (X) ●Daily updating of the Spotify vertical loop (X) ●MV behind the scenes (counts as streams) ●Radio interviews ●Radio deal on Pop format ●Radio deal on HAC format ●Four Vinyl singles ●CD single with #FromMeToYou, trending #1 WW (X) And more. Wait, is this Taylor's promo? Lmao! Wtf is this? This one is news to me and it sounds incredibly shady. Yes. It is, thus far. There's also several more points I've missed. I- |
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Post by reputainbow on May 1, 2019 10:03:50 GMT -5
all this promo that republic is doing 💀 i don’t understand why they’re doing soo much if OTR has such a comfortable lead over it... unless they know something that we don’t. but i doubt it
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on May 1, 2019 10:03:56 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/05/01
1(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 136.37(+0.32)
2(=) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 127.07(+0.79) 3(=) Halsey - Without Me 105.96(-0.27)
4(=) Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho 103.90(+1.45)
5(=) Post Malone - Wow. 102.22(+0.72)
6(=) Ariana Grande - 7 rings 99.62(-1.34)
7(=) benny blanco, Halsey & Khalid - Eastside 97.04(-0.75)
8(=) Ariana Grande - break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored 94.15(-0.45)
9(=) Panic! At the Disco - High Hopes 88.28(-1.21)
10(=) Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow 86.86(-1.15)
11(+1) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix] 82.65(+3.19) 13(+7) Taylor Swift - ME! (feat. Brendon Urie of Panic! At The Disco) 72.21(+10.54) 22(=) Khalid - Talk 60.62(+2.11) - - Chris Brown - Wobble Up (feat. Nicki Minaj & G-Eazy) 5.62(+1.94)
- - SZA & The Weeknd & Travis Scott - Power is Power 5.50(+2.44)
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Post by chartslovergermany on May 1, 2019 10:28:56 GMT -5
TayTay😍😍^
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Post by mackattack on May 1, 2019 10:46:21 GMT -5
Pop stars (in general I've found) tend to do more promo than hip hop artists for some reason. Except Post Malone is both... a pop star and a hip hop artist. Every single that he has released in the past year has gone straight to the top 3 with little to no promo. He really doesn't need that much promo tbh |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on May 1, 2019 10:51:20 GMT -5
99% of this discussion wouldn't be happening if OLR weren't unusually strong. In most 'normal' weeks, ME would be a shoe-in for #1 by a wide margin and no talk of 'desperate,' 'tactics,' etc.
I do find the 'tactics' discussion a bit odd because this is a business and the fact that so many people don't understand that concept is a strange. Unless it is an illegal activity, it's legitimate marketing and promotion, which every label and artist can do. And, just like every other product/business, not everyone has a huge budget or the right product to promote like crazy.
I like the fact that labels/artists are finding different ways to make buying music relevant and tangible. As a former massive purchaser of music, when I moved to premium streaming 4 years ago, I now only buy 'collectibles' on secondary market. However, if a new fav came out with these various vinyl, physical bonuses, I'd be down.
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Post by renaboss on May 1, 2019 10:51:27 GMT -5
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mackattack
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Post by mackattack on May 1, 2019 10:52:46 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/05/01
1(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 136.37(+0.32)
2(=) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 127.07(+0.79) 3(=) Halsey - Without Me 105.96(-0.27)
4(=) Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho 103.90(+1.45)
5(=) Post Malone - Wow. 102.22(+0.72)
6(=) Ariana Grande - 7 rings 99.62(-1.34)
7(=) benny blanco, Halsey & Khalid - Eastside 97.04(-0.75)
8(=) Ariana Grande - break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored 94.15(-0.45)
9(=) Panic! At the Disco - High Hopes 88.28(-1.21)
10(=) Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - Shallow 86.86(-1.15)
11(+1) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix] 82.65(+3.19) 13(+7) Taylor Swift - ME! (feat. Brendon Urie of Panic! At The Disco) 72.21(+10.54) 22(=) Khalid - Talk 60.62(+2.11) - - Chris Brown - Wobble Up (feat. Nicki Minaj & G-Eazy) 5.62(+1.94)
- - SZA & The Weeknd & Travis Scott - Power is Power 5.50(+2.44)
The drop is going to be insane. |
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Post by iHype. on May 1, 2019 11:29:30 GMT -5
99% of this discussion wouldn't be happening if OLR weren't unusually strong. In most 'normal' weeks, ME would be a shoe-in for #1 by a wide margin and no talk of 'desperate,' 'tactics,' etc. Honestly the discussion would still be happening. This song is declining hard and not sticking which is the issue for her lead single —not whether it reaches #1 or #2. It’s down to #3 on Spotify, #6 on Apple Music, is almost #2 on iTunes, and it’s barely been half a week. LWYMMD was a 3 week #1 but still invoked tons of discussion because it dropped hard and had a weak run overall. The tactics being pulled just makes the #2 & declining numbers look worse ofcourse. |
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Post by Caviar on May 1, 2019 11:29:40 GMT -5
Taylor is killing the game and folks are mad as hell. Love it.
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