Billboard Hot 100: 05/11/2019

[kierz7]

May 6, 2019 16:36:42 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

May 6, 2019 16:31:57 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

The fact that “ME” isn’t number one in any major/prominent music market and will completely freefall on most charts next week when “LWYMMD” was number one in more than half of them is just...

• US: #2
• Australia: #4
• UK: #3
• Norway: #9
• Sweden: #11
• Switzerland: #12
• Germany: #12
• Italy: #19
• Netherlands: #29
• Japan: #30
• France: #66 (LMFAO!)

It’s even failed to enter the top ten in several.

Perhaps it’ll be number one in Canada or South Korea.

Stay tuned!

Stick to randomly bringing up Rihanna 

LMAO. Whew, Chile...

[wayneashleymusic]

May 6, 2019 16:15:49 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

May 6, 2019 12:48:08 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

A #2 debut would otherwise be fantastic...

But after she exhausted every option known to Man for the sake of a #1, the universal social media lashings are deserved.

Hopefully her team will now take the •L• and move onto the next single.

Well good thing she didn't debut at #2!

[Au$tin]

May 6, 2019 16:41:45 GMT -5 itsatravesty said:

May 6, 2019 15:51:20 GMT -5 Naos said:

You can't say "consumed more". What if I bought "ME!" and listened to it all day on my phone rather than Spotify? It wouldn't be counted.

50,000,000 more streams vs 100,000 more downloads
That's an unreasonable stretch

Taylor's "Surplus" downloaders would have to play her song around 500 times last week to match the massive gap in streaming. 1.) That's probably not happening, esp when a chunk of digital sales were due to late merchandise purchases 2.) Not sure they'd want to count that even if they could.

Again ignoring that not everyone who streams a song is actively or voluntarily seeking it out and we have literally no way of determining who is doing what when they stream.

[kierz7]

Does anybody think that (with the continual decline...) sales will be moved from the Hot 100 formula completely?

Is it possible that we’ll have a strictly Streaming vs Airplay Hot 100 chart in the future?

I actually think that will help those Pop songs that only seem to do well on Pop/HAC/AC perform even better and possibly hit #1.

[Gary]

No. It will just be weighted less

[Deleted]

May 6, 2019 15:28:37 GMT -5 Naos said:

May 6, 2019 15:25:31 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Bieber's "Boyfriend" had huge numbers behind fun.'s "We Are Young". I remember Bieber sold over half a million copies his first week and was still number 2, so fun.'s numbers must have been massive.

'"Boyfriend" was a commercial failure, debuting at number two on the Billboard Hot 100 after selling a total of 521,000 digital units of the single." - Wikipedia.

Lol.

Oh, goodness, I still remember this. Everyone assumed Bieber's sales would take the top spot and we were discussing his #1 like it was a foregone conclusion...then out of nowhere, Billboard's new (and newly hidden) Hot 100 formula claimed its first victim.

IIRC, BB reduced the sales weight that week (but didn't reveal what exactly any component's weight was), and Boyfriend lost out on that #1 because the label didn't make it available for streaming in order to maximize the sales. Fun sold 387k that week, was #2 in airplay (compared to a #24 debut for Boyfriend), and had some streaming.

[Au$tin]

May 6, 2019 16:51:23 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Does anybody think that (with the continual decline...) sales will be moved from the Hot 100 formula completely?

Is it possible that we’ll have a strictly Streaming vs Airplay Hot 100 chart in the future?

I actually think that will help those Pop songs that only seem to do well on Pop/HAC/AC perform even better and possibly hit #1.

Only if sales die completely, which may or may not happen. The levels of digital downloads right now is in line with where they were when they were first introduced to the Hot 100. I'd imagine they'd have to dip far below that to be removed from the chart. I mean physical single sales technically still count for the Hot 100 it's just that a physical single is virtually non-existent these days (the last one I saw in a store was California Gurls believe it or not) so they have next to 0 impact on the chart. I imagine eventually digital sales will be that way, but that's still at least 7-10 years off.

I'm not sure sure the removal of sales would benefit pop songs on the chart since they perform better there than on streaming and as a whole perform better there than any other genre. Though by the time digital sales are completely dead, that fact would probably no longer be true. Who knows, maybe heavy death metal will be the big genre by then.

[jenglisbe]

May 6, 2019 16:51:23 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Does anybody think that (with the continual decline...) sales will be moved from the Hot 100 formula completely?

Physical singles haven't existed for 99% of songs in a decade or more, yet they still count. There'd be no reason for Billboard to fully do away with them as part of the chart, but as digital sales decrease more and more, they will obviously be less of a factor on the Hot 100.

[Au$tin]

May 6, 2019 16:54:28 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

May 6, 2019 15:28:37 GMT -5 Naos said:

'"Boyfriend" was a commercial failure, debuting at number two on the Billboard Hot 100 after selling a total of 521,000 digital units of the single." - Wikipedia.

Lol.

Oh, goodness, I still remember this. Everyone assumed Bieber's sales would take the top spot and we were discussing his #1 like it was a foregone conclusion...then out of nowhere, Billboard's new (and newly hidden) Hot 100 formula claimed its first victim.

IIRC, BB reduced the sales weight that week (but didn't reveal what exactly any component's weight was), and Boyfriend lost out on that #1 because the label didn't make it available for streaming in order to maximize the sales. Fun sold 387k that week, was # in airplay, and had some streaming.

It just occured to me that this means "We Are Young" is the first ever song to be #1 thanks to streaming because of this instance. What a bizarre technicality to realize.

[itsatravesty]

May 6, 2019 16:51:11 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 6, 2019 16:41:45 GMT -5 itsatravesty said:

50,000,000 more streams vs 100,000 more downloads
That's an unreasonable stretch

Taylor's "Surplus" downloaders would have to play her song around 500 times last week to match the massive gap in streaming. 1.) That's probably not happening, esp when a chunk of digital sales were due to late merchandise purchases 2.) Not sure they'd want to count that even if they could.

Again ignoring that not everyone who streams a song is actively or voluntarily seeking it out and we have literally no way of determining who is doing what when they stream.

Taylor Swift's full length music video played as an ad over other music videos on YouTube, Me was number one on the biggest Spotify playlist and the YouTube hotlist; merch bundles counted towards digital sales. To the extent that she received just as much promo as an established artist as Nas X, there's barely a case for the contrary.

Billboard #1 this week went to the most popular song as measured by a set standard. That song was not Me.

We can say for sure that not enough people voluntarily listened to Taylor's lead single to beat the number one song at the moment, OTR. C'est tout. There is no injustice. She was not at a disadvantage on any platform as Taylor Swift. OTR overcame the biggest hurdle at radio as a no-name country rapper with a new deal compared to a decades long pop radio darling. Taylor came as close as anyone could without having a truly more popular, more liked song.

After first week's buzz, OTR has returned to no. 1 on iTunes without the aid of a televised performance, multiple iTunes banners, or bigger name recognition. Three OTR versions are in the top 20 of ITunes. It's heading into its sixth week at number one and he hasn't even released a legitimate music video yet. What more can be said about which song is likely more liked and of course consumed?

[Deleted]

May 6, 2019 16:58:38 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 6, 2019 16:54:28 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Oh, goodness, I still remember this. Everyone assumed Bieber's sales would take the top spot and we were discussing his #1 like it was a foregone conclusion...then out of nowhere, Billboard's new (and newly hidden) Hot 100 formula claimed its first victim.

IIRC, BB reduced the sales weight that week (but didn't reveal what exactly any component's weight was), and Boyfriend lost out on that #1 because the label didn't make it available for streaming in order to maximize the sales. Fun sold 387k that week, was # in airplay, and had some streaming.

It just occured to me that this means "We Are Young" is the first ever song to be #1 thanks to streaming because of this instance. What a bizarre technicality to realize.

And with a whopping 1.18 million streams. SO bizarre.

I found the thread for that week, and another thing to note is that Boyfriend was an iTunes exclusive the first week. BB suggested that this limited retail availability was a secondary factor in the #2 debut, as WAY was available at all digital retailers.

[wjr15]

May 6, 2019 16:58:38 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 6, 2019 16:54:28 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Oh, goodness, I still remember this. Everyone assumed Bieber's sales would take the top spot and we were discussing his #1 like it was a foregone conclusion...then out of nowhere, Billboard's new (and newly hidden) Hot 100 formula claimed its first victim.

IIRC, BB reduced the sales weight that week (but didn't reveal what exactly any component's weight was), and Boyfriend lost out on that #1 because the label didn't make it available for streaming in order to maximize the sales. Fun sold 387k that week, was # in airplay, and had some streaming.

It just occured to me that this means "We Are Young" is the first ever song to be #1 thanks to streaming because of this instance. What a bizarre technicality to realize.

When you say streaming during that week in 2012, was it just counting Spotify? I don't remember which streaming platforms first counted in the beginning. I do remember Youtube not counting until early 2013 when Harlem Shake blew up out of nowhere and people being annoyed that Gangnam Style got stuck at #2 in 2012 despite record breaking YT views.

[jenglisbe]

May 6, 2019 16:58:38 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 6, 2019 16:54:28 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Oh, goodness, I still remember this. Everyone assumed Bieber's sales would take the top spot and we were discussing his #1 like it was a foregone conclusion...then out of nowhere, Billboard's new (and newly hidden) Hot 100 formula claimed its first victim.

IIRC, BB reduced the sales weight that week (but didn't reveal what exactly any component's weight was), and Boyfriend lost out on that #1 because the label didn't make it available for streaming in order to maximize the sales. Fun sold 387k that week, was # in airplay, and had some streaming.

It just occured to me that this means "We Are Young" is the first ever song to be #1 thanks to streaming because of this instance. What a bizarre technicality to realize.

What about airplay? Presumably it had a big lead there.

[jenglisbe]

May 6, 2019 17:04:21 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

May 6, 2019 16:58:38 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

It just occured to me that this means "We Are Young" is the first ever song to be #1 thanks to streaming because of this instance. What a bizarre technicality to realize.

And with a whopping 1.18 million streams. SO bizarre.

I found the thread for that week, and another thing to note is that Boyfriend was an iTunes exclusive the first week. BB suggested that this limited retail availability was a secondary factor in the #2 debut, as WAY was available at all digital retailers.

"Boyfriend"
521k sold
40 million impressions
almost no streaming as unavailable

"We Are Young"
363k sold
104 million impressions
1.18 million On Demand streams

I don't see what's so bizarre. "WAY" was ahead in 2 of the 3 metrics, and it had a solid total in the other metric.

[Au$tin]

May 6, 2019 17:05:57 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

May 6, 2019 16:58:38 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

It just occured to me that this means "We Are Young" is the first ever song to be #1 thanks to streaming because of this instance. What a bizarre technicality to realize.

When you say streaming during that week in 2012, was it just counting Spotify? I don't remember which streaming platforms first counted in the beginning. I do remember Youtube not counting until early 2013 when Harlem Shake blew up out of nowhere and people being annoyed that Gangnam Style got stuck at #2 in 2012 despite record breaking YT views.

Spotify was the biggest contributor to streaming numbers at the time, yes, but it wasn't the sole contributor. Five other services were tracked at the time: Rhapsody, MOG, Rdio, Slacker, and Muve.

[Au$tin]

May 6, 2019 17:09:16 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

May 6, 2019 17:04:21 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

And with a whopping 1.18 million streams. SO bizarre.

I found the thread for that week, and another thing to note is that Boyfriend was an iTunes exclusive the first week. BB suggested that this limited retail availability was a secondary factor in the #2 debut, as WAY was available at all digital retailers.

"Boyfriend"
521k sold
40 million impressions
almost no streaming as unavailable

"We Are Young"
363k sold
104 million impressions
1.18 million On Demand streams

I don't see what's so bizarre. "WAY" was ahead in 2 of the 3 metrics, and it had a solid total in the other metric.

It's bizarre because at the time, Boyfriend's opening was the fourth biggest in history, digital sales ruled the Hot 100, streaming was essentially a non-factor on the Hot 100, and by today's standards, We Are Young is not the type of song to rule on streaming. It was literally the beginning of a whole new era that most people did not see coming that exact week. It was monumental and bizarre in context.

[gabe]

May 6, 2019 16:31:57 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

The fact that “ME” isn’t number one in any major/prominent music market and will completely freefall on most charts next week when “LWYMMD” was number one in more than half of them is just...

• US: #2
• Australia: #4
• UK: #3
• Norway: #9
• Sweden: #11
• Switzerland: #12
• Germany: #12
• Italy: #19
• Netherlands: #29
• Japan: #30
• France: #66 (LMFAO!)

It’s even failed to enter the top ten in several.

Perhaps it’ll be number one in Canada or South Korea.

Stay tuned!

old town road exists everywhere, not just the US..

[Deleted]

May 6, 2019 16:56:31 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 6, 2019 16:51:23 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Does anybody think that (with the continual decline...) sales will be moved from the Hot 100 formula completely?

Is it possible that we’ll have a strictly Streaming vs Airplay Hot 100 chart in the future?

I actually think that will help those Pop songs that only seem to do well on Pop/HAC/AC perform even better and possibly hit #1.

Only if sales die completely, which may or may not happen. The levels of digital downloads right now is in line with where they were when they were first introduced to the Hot 100. I'd imagine they'd have to dip far below that to be removed from the chart. I mean physical single sales technically still count for the Hot 100 it's just that a physical single is virtually non-existent these days (the last one I saw in a store was California Gurls believe it or not) so they have next to 0 impact on the chart. I imagine eventually digital sales will be that way, but that's still at least 7-10 years off.

I'm not sure sure the removal of sales would benefit pop songs on the chart since they perform better there than on streaming and as a whole perform better there than any other genre. Though by the time digital sales are completely dead, that fact would probably no longer be true. Who knows, maybe heavy death metal will be the big genre by then.

I'm still trying to figure out what it will take to get the average non-urban music listener to get into streaming.

Someone kind of touched on this when explaining several pages ago why Apple Music skews so heavily urban. Streaming in general still skews in urban's favor, but Spotify makes a point to curate playlists that cater to pop fans, so a well-promoted pop song can fare well there. But it's going to take more than a banner ad and a spot on TTH to fully make up for the decline in sales...hip-hop/urban leaning music is doing that in spades, but every other genre continues to lag. What else would it take to get someone to stream?

[jenglisbe]

May 6, 2019 17:15:16 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 6, 2019 17:09:16 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

"Boyfriend"
521k sold
40 million impressions
almost no streaming as unavailable

"We Are Young"
363k sold
104 million impressions
1.18 million On Demand streams

I don't see what's so bizarre. "WAY" was ahead in 2 of the 3 metrics, and it had a solid total in the other metric.

It's bizarre because at the time, Boyfriend's opening was the fourth biggest in history, digital sales ruled the Hot 100, streaming was essentially a non-factor on the Hot 100, and by today's standards, We Are Young is not the type of song to rule on streaming. It was literally the beginning of a whole new era that most people did not see coming that exact week. It was monumental and bizarre in context.

Eh, but "WAY" still had a large sales total and was #2 in sales, and it had a huge lead in airplay. And as minimal as its streaming may have been, it led "Boyfriend" there, too.

[jenglisbe]

May 6, 2019 17:17:43 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

May 6, 2019 16:56:31 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Only if sales die completely, which may or may not happen. The levels of digital downloads right now is in line with where they were when they were first introduced to the Hot 100. I'd imagine they'd have to dip far below that to be removed from the chart. I mean physical single sales technically still count for the Hot 100 it's just that a physical single is virtually non-existent these days (the last one I saw in a store was California Gurls believe it or not) so they have next to 0 impact on the chart. I imagine eventually digital sales will be that way, but that's still at least 7-10 years off.

I'm not sure sure the removal of sales would benefit pop songs on the chart since they perform better there than on streaming and as a whole perform better there than any other genre. Though by the time digital sales are completely dead, that fact would probably no longer be true. Who knows, maybe heavy death metal will be the big genre by then.

I'm still trying to figure out what it will take to get the average non-urban music listener to get into streaming.

Someone kind of touched on this when explaining several pages ago why Apple Music skews so heavily urban. Streaming in general still skews in urban's favor, but Spotify makes a point to curate playlists that cater to pop fans, so a well-promoted pop song can fare well there. But it's going to take more than a banner ad and a spot on TTH to fully make up for the decline in sales...hip-hop/urban leaning music is doing that in spades, but every other genre continues to lag. What else would it take to get someone to stream?

That question may be too broad. I think we need to get a lot more specific. You have to look at the demographics of who is streaming, what they stream, and how often they stream it. As in, are people who like urban music streaming more as a group, or is it that they stream the same songs more often? Do they stream newer songs as opposed to older songs? Do they create their own playlists as opposed to replying on passive streaming? My point is that there are a lot of nuances within streaming.

[Deleted]

May 6, 2019 17:12:12 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

May 6, 2019 17:05:57 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

When you say streaming during that week in 2012, was it just counting Spotify? I don't remember which streaming platforms first counted in the beginning. I do remember Youtube not counting until early 2013 when Harlem Shake blew up out of nowhere and people being annoyed that Gangnam Style got stuck at #2 in 2012 despite record breaking YT views.

Spotify was the biggest contributor to streaming numbers at the time, yes, but it wasn't the sole contributor. Five other services were tracked at the time: Rhapsody, MOG, Rdio, Slacker, and Muve.

And Pandora 

[fernando4]

Hey Look Ma, I Made It is #66 (+14)

[Au$tin]

May 6, 2019 17:17:43 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

May 6, 2019 16:56:31 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Only if sales die completely, which may or may not happen. The levels of digital downloads right now is in line with where they were when they were first introduced to the Hot 100. I'd imagine they'd have to dip far below that to be removed from the chart. I mean physical single sales technically still count for the Hot 100 it's just that a physical single is virtually non-existent these days (the last one I saw in a store was California Gurls believe it or not) so they have next to 0 impact on the chart. I imagine eventually digital sales will be that way, but that's still at least 7-10 years off.

I'm not sure sure the removal of sales would benefit pop songs on the chart since they perform better there than on streaming and as a whole perform better there than any other genre. Though by the time digital sales are completely dead, that fact would probably no longer be true. Who knows, maybe heavy death metal will be the big genre by then.

I'm still trying to figure out what it will take to get the average non-urban music listener to get into streaming.

Someone kind of touched on this when explaining several pages ago why Apple Music skews so heavily urban. Streaming in general still skews in urban's favor, but Spotify makes a point to curate playlists that cater to pop fans, so a well-promoted pop song can fare well there. But it's going to take more than a banner ad and a spot on TTH to fully make up for the decline in sales...hip-hop/urban leaning music is doing that in spades, but every other genre continues to lag. What else would it take to get someone to stream?

My guess is just time. Pop actually was the dominant genre on Spotify at first, but then urban fans switched to streaming in literal droves whereas other genres are moving at a slower pace. Perhaps urban fans are just more in tune with technology or always looking for the cheapest/efficient way to consume music while fans of other genres adapt more slowly to changing technology and are more content with other ways to consume music and need more motivation to switch? I know urban music was commonly pirated more often than other genres and streaming came along and nearly put an end to that. It's always interesting to hypothesize what started these trends and I've always kind of believed those that pirated music more often made the switch to streaming first. But that's just one theory and perhaps only just one slice of the pie.

[Naos]

If sales were removed, that would be an absolute tragedy for country music. All it would really have is airplay, and rock songs would never ever chart.

[Au$tin]

May 6, 2019 17:18:42 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

May 6, 2019 17:15:16 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

It's bizarre because at the time, Boyfriend's opening was the fourth biggest in history, digital sales ruled the Hot 100, streaming was essentially a non-factor on the Hot 100, and by today's standards, We Are Young is not the type of song to rule on streaming. It was literally the beginning of a whole new era that most people did not see coming that exact week. It was monumental and bizarre in context.

Eh, but "WAY" still had a large sales total and was #2 in sales, and it had a huge lead in airplay. And as minimal as its streaming may have been, it led "Boyfriend" there, too.

The sales gap covered the airplay gap, though. It was WAY's streaming lead to kept it at #1 that week. Again, the numbers weren't what were surprising, it was the significance of the small streaming points.

[jenglisbe]

Did only on-demand streams count at that time? The article mentions the 1+ million on-demand streams, but "WAY" might have had other streams too, or no?

[Naos]

New arrivals this week:
#96 - "Love Me Anyway" by P!nk ft. Chris Stapleton
#94 - "Knockin' Boots" by Luke Bryan
#92 - "Power is Power" by SZA, The Weeknd, and Travis Scott
#90 - "Light It Up" by Marshmello, Tyga, and Chris Brown
#85 - "CHopstix" by ScHoolboy Q & Travis Scott
#69 - "Baila Baila Baila" by Ozuna, Daddy Yankee, J Balvin, Farruko, and Anuel AA
#67 - "Floating" by ScHoolboy Q ft. 21 Savage

[Naos]

Chris Brown now has 92 Hot 100 entries, the 8th most out of any artist, beating his tie with James Brown.

[kierz7]

May 6, 2019 17:35:09 GMT -5 Naos said:

Chris Brown now has 92 Hot 100 entries, the 8th most out of any artist, beating his tie with James Brown.

• 2 #1’s

• 13 Top Ten’s

• 92 Overall Entries.

Nicki Minaj teas...(but with the #1’s).

[king_billboard_100]

May 5, 2019 18:09:25 GMT -5 fhas said:

May 5, 2019 17:52:15 GMT -5 king_billboard_100 said:

how bad guy is below sweet but psycho while they have the same points?

I use rounded points. Actually, it's 20,113 vs. 20,056.

and it didnt make it.. I guess it no. 11 again