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Post by nickd on Jan 9, 2020 13:43:59 GMT -5
I agree there's non-musical aspects associated with Look and Bad Blood but I think a lot of people still remember Wildest Dreams as just a good song. I also don't think people remember that Look What You Made Me Do is remembered for dethroning Despacito outside of a few thousand chart following pop stans. Out of the songs from the mid-2010s, I'd agree Just Like Fire, Locked Away and Lips Are Movin are fairly forgotten, and I'd also add Honey I'm Good, Post To Be, Somebody, and maybe also Ex's and Oh's and Jealous. Its actually sad just how many 2015 songs got forgotte. To me its one of the best years for music in this decade, but yet it also had a lot of forgotten stuff. 2010 also had a lot of forgotten stuff, but to me modt music ftom that year hasnt aged well anyways, so ij can see why its forgotten Just checked the Spotify streams gained overnight on some of the songs mentioned/songs that were similarly big in 2015. Compared to other big-ish hits that peaked in 2015, Wildest Dreams did better than average, while Bad Blood and Style did worse than average, although they were still not too far outside the norm. The songs that did best Photograph: +683,677 (arguably a much bigger hit when you account for international success though) Riptide: +553,453 Fight Song: +335,819 Centuries: +314,693 FourFiveSeconds: +305,114 Taylor Swift songs Wildest Dreams: +195,319 Style: +143,099 Bad Blood: +135,579 (+approx 35k from the remix) The songs that did worst Hey Mama: +125,057 (especially weak given how big it was internationally) Honey, I'm Good: +108,716 Post To be: +101,308 GDFR: +93,638 Somebody: +38,111
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Post by nickd on Jan 9, 2020 14:43:53 GMT -5
I met a middle-aged woman who had Anna Kendrick’s “Cups” as her ringback time just a few months ago. Too many people are far too harsh/liberal when defining “forgotten”. Cups was a huge viral thing - people would know it if you brought it up. —— It’s very hard for hit songs to be forgotten if the artist’s personal brand is really strong. That’s why no Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, Rihanna, Adele, Ed Sheeran, Shawn Mendes, etc. song, I think, fits. If you HAVE to pick one, I think that Bad Meets Evil ft. Bruno Mars song “Lighters” is a good example. Why? - Very far in the past, 2011 - Main artist (Bad Meets Evil) isn’t around anymore and hasn’t been heard from in years - I can’t imagine Bruno Mars has touched the song in years (someone can correct me if I’m wrong) - No current fan base remembers it really (correct me if I’m wrong Bruno stans!) - Didn’t make some crazy statement or have some insane chart peak when it was active. Those are probably the only ways that a well performing song on the radio where a big artist with a big brand was involved could be seen as forgotten. ——- If a song helped launch a career (or were “second hits”) and the artist is still around with a fan base, it’s not gonna be forgotten: Habits (Stay High), Cake by the Ocean, Lips are Movin, Never Be The Same (??? this just appeared on one of the magazine’s best songs of the 00s and was a recent huge pop radio #1, why would it be forgotten?) An example I can think of where a second hit by an established artist WOULD make sense is something like One Direction’s “One Thing” - Didn’t do that well - Far outshined by previous single - Probably not touched on subsequent tours - The GP probably does not strongly associate the song with the artist. —— ——- If a song got covered on singing shows it was used in shows, that’s a sign that it wasn’t forgotten. Yeah, I think there's very very few (if any) songs from this decade that are truly forgotten, at least if we're talking about legit big hits from the top half of the Year End charts. If you compare to how forgotten some major hits from the 60s-80s are, there's a big difference. Here are the most to least streamed songs (on Spotify) that topped the Year End Hot 100 charts 561.082m: Every Breath You Take - The Police (1983) 261.589m: Careless Whisper - George Michael (1985) 232.163m: Hey Jude - The Beatles (1968) 210.597m: California Dreamin' - The Mamas & The Papas (1966) 187.847m: Faith - George Michael (1988) 175.075m: Bette Davis Eyes - Kim Carnes (1981) 151.170m: I Want To Hold Your Hand - The Beatles (1964) 143.005m: My Sharona - The Knack (1979) 124.152m: Call Me - Blondie (1980) 127.817m: Sugar, Sugar - The Archies (1969) 102.721m: Surfin' USA - The Beach Boys (1963) 101.898m: Walk Like An Egyptian - The Bangles (1987) 101.100m: Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel (1970) 79.906m: When Doves Cry - Prince (1984) 45.620m: That's What Friends Are For - Dionne & Friends (1986) 39.162m: Joy To The World - Three Dog Night (1971) 30.358m: The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face - Roberta Flack (1972) 25.868m: Love Will Keep Us Together - Captain & Tennille (1975) 25.086m: Physical - Olivia Newton-John (1982) 22.111m: Silly Love Songs - Wings (1976) 17.161m: The Way We Were - Barbra Streisand (1974) 14.378m: Wooly Bully - Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs (1965) 13.234m: Tonight's The Night - Rod Stewart (1977) 12.841m: Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round The Ole Oak Tree - Tony Orlando & Dawn (1973) 11.445m: Theme from A Summer Place - Percy Faith (1960) 10.272m: Look Away - Chicago (1989) 9.962m: To Sir With Love - Lulu (1967) 7.166m: Stranger On The Shore - Acker Bilk (1962) 4.185m: Shadow Dancing - Andy Gibb (1978) 2.386m: Tossin' and Turnin' - Bobby Lewis (1961) The contrast between the most and least remembered songs is pretty striking, especially when you consider that every year has had at least one (usually several) 100m+ streamed song. The difference would probably be even more extreme if you looked at songs from the lower reaches of the year end charts, since most years would have several with less than 1 million streams, maybe even some below 100,000 or even below 10,000, meanwhile, you'd still have songs from the bottom of the year end charts with 300m+ streams. The gap between the least and most remembered hits from the start of the decade is much much smaller, but I suppose you can still try to predict which songs are headed in the direction of being forgotten (even if it might take a couple more decades). I think it's possible for that to happen with songs from semi-big artists like Meghan Trainor. Maybe not all her hits, but some of them. Like Paula Abdul has six #1 and several more moderate hits, and isn't even that old, but her #1 hit The Promise Is A New Day has barely 1 million Spotify streams. My impression is that the more mature/safe artists, and the teen idols that have a brief few years of intense success are the ones that are most likely to have their music forgotten. The ones that are able to have a more long lasting impact on a generation in their formative years should have pretty good longevity, that's something that the most remembered of the legacy acts have going from them, and pretty much all of those artists hits have 10m+ streams with a large number over 100m. I think artists like Eminem, Beyonce and will all have a similar thing going for them. Ariana might be heading that way too, her fanbase seems pretty loyal, she still has a lot of young fans, and her success has been pretty steady since 2013, peaking on her 5th album.
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Post by anorable on Jan 9, 2020 15:13:23 GMT -5
How the hell is Tossin' and Turnin' the lowest one there.
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Post by HeyHeyHey on Jan 9, 2020 16:03:31 GMT -5
I feel as though so many of us here are such big music fans that we don't really forget any of the hits but I am sure there are quite a few for the general public that may be surprises to us.
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Post by theflying on Jan 9, 2020 21:08:06 GMT -5
It just hit me.
The real, best answer to this thread is that James Newton Howard ft. Jennifer Lawrence song “The Hanging Tree”.
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Post by weirdo on Jan 9, 2020 22:52:43 GMT -5
It just hit me. The real, best answer to this thread is that James Newton Howard ft. Jennifer Lawrence song “The Hanging Tree”. Tbh i dont even know if i've heard rhat song. If i did, then OH MY GOSH that musr be foegotten
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Post by leoapp on Jan 10, 2020 4:25:46 GMT -5
2 huge early 2010s pop female artists :
Katy Perry - Last Friday Night --> the weakest single on Teenage Dream - The One That Got Away --> her best song on Teenage Dream imo, overshadowed by her bigger hits. - Part Of Me, quick easy no. 1, forgotten in a few months, a tryingtohard video - Wide Awake, felt bigger than Part Of Me imo, average video - Uncondiotionally, sandwiched between 2 huge hits, poor unwanted 2nd single. Dark Horse outsold it even when it wasnt released yet as a 3rd single. - Birthday, a Maroon 5's Sugar twin, killed by a nightmare horrible video.
Britney Spears Sadly, maybe almost (or All) her 2010s hits are forgotten.... - Hold It Against Me, a quick no. 1, forgotten in a month. But still my fave song on Femme Fatale. A cool dubstep thing. - I Wanna Go, a big US airplay for Britney standard, but Till The World Ends always overshadows it forever. - I think people even may consider TTWE forgotten as well? Im not sure. But it was her most popular hit since Womanizer. As well her last popular solo hit. (Dont count Nicki Kesha remix) - Scream & Shout, huuuge hit in 2013. Britney biggest worldwide hit actually since Pre Blackout era. But it felt like a 2013 hit, not a timeless hit. - Work Bitch, maybe a favorite as a gay club anthem? But forgotten overall, the end of her late 00s/early 10s rising popularity with Circus/3/FemmeFatale
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 15:01:15 GMT -5
I feel as though so many of us here are such big music fans that we don't really forget any of the hits but I am sure there are quite a few for the general public that may be surprises to us. Exactly! That's why I have been trying to base my answers on the general public's perspective. Sure, we might know and remember all of Meghan Trainor's charting hits, and music critics online tore the likes of "Marvin Gaye" and "Dear Future Husband" to shreds, but to the regular Karen, she's probably known as the "All About That Bass" girl who also has that song with John Legend that plays often on AC radio. "NO" and "Me Too" didn't have much of a lasting impact either on that regard, despite being rather successful chart-wise. It would be interesting if someone conducted an experiment on this, measuring to what extent a select group of 'locals' remember the Billboard Year-End for any given year, and how that varies with each person's background and region.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 15:05:10 GMT -5
Rumour has it this artist(can't even remember his name so forgettable) is now homeless living in a turtle sanctuary
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 16:06:31 GMT -5
Rumour has it this artist(can't even remember his name so forgettable) is now homeless living in a turtle sanctuary Charlie Puth's "Voicenotes" era has definitely not been forgotten by me, at least. "Attention" in particular plays quite often on my favorite AC radio. You could make a case for "How Long", though, despite being an absolute favorite of mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 16:24:55 GMT -5
Rumour has it this artist(can't even remember his name so forgettable) is now homeless living in a turtle sanctuary Charlie Puth's "Voicenotes" era has definitely not been forgotten by me, at least. "Attention" in particular plays quite often on my favorite AC radio. You could make a case for "How Long", though, despite being an absolute favorite of mine. no
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Post by born on Jan 10, 2020 16:31:23 GMT -5
"forgettable" (as songs) =/= "forgotten"
"Girls Like You" is going to be one of the most remembered #1s of the decade. Now, most of Pulse hates this song and everything attached to it but it was a moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 17:12:11 GMT -5
"forgettable" (as songs) =/= "forgotten" "Girls Like You" is going to be one of the most remembered #1s of the decade. Now, most of Pulse hates this song and everything attached to it but it was a moment. Please, don't remind me of that. To see it at #5 on the Decade-End above the likes of "Somebody That I Used To Know", "Rolling In The Deep", and "Old Town Road" was depressing enough already.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 1:33:22 GMT -5
90% of the 2010s hits will be forgotten by 2025 - no shade to the 2010s, that's just how it goes in the hitmaking world. It would have been easier to ask what will be most remembered. Agreed, the vast majority of pop music, even stuff that was massively successful at the time is going to be lost to the ages. I mean, who here knows I Miss You by Klymaxx? I sure as heck don't, but apparently it was the third biggest hit of 1986. Ditto the third biggest hit of the following year, Shake You Down by Gregory Abbot, which I only know because of Todd In The Shadows' Worst of 1987 list.
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Post by insen_13 on Jan 12, 2020 12:09:56 GMT -5
2 huge early 2010s pop female artists : Katy Perry - Last Friday Night --> the weakest single on Teenage Dream - The One That Got Away --> her best song on Teenage Dream imo, overshadowed by her bigger hits. - Part Of Me, quick easy no. 1, forgotten in a few months, a tryingtohard video - Wide Awake, felt bigger than Part Of Me imo, average video - Uncondiotionally, sandwiched between 2 huge hits, poor unwanted 2nd single. Dark Horse outsold it even when it wasnt released yet as a 3rd single. - Birthday, a Maroon 5's Sugar twin, killed by a nightmare horrible video. Very well said. 😊
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Post by Lukas on Jan 12, 2020 17:23:50 GMT -5
"forgettable" (as songs) =/= "forgotten" "Girls Like You" is going to be one of the most remembered #1s of the decade. Now, most of Pulse hates this song and everything attached to it but it was a moment. Please, don't remind me of that. To see it at #5 on the Decade-End above the likes of "Closer", "Rolling In The Deep", and "Old Town Road" was depressing enough already. Closer was at #4 ahead of Girls Like You.
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Post by rainie on Jan 16, 2020 2:57:11 GMT -5
omg wait has anyone mentioned I Don't Wanna Live Forever yet? if Pillowtalk was his Ice Ice Baby, then IDWF was his Play That Funky Music -- nobody remembers that Vanilla Ice technically had another hit, and in 30 years Zayn is 100% gonna be remembered as a (solo) one hit wonder, if that.
funnily enough, its Taylor Swift's most streamed song on Spotify (though iirc it was available before the rest of her catalogue was).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 7:20:11 GMT -5
Lukas you're right 😄 rainie That's unfortunately true. IDWLF has been surprisingly forgotten for a song that peaked at #2, even if I still love it and listen to it regularly. Now "PILLOWTALK" had its success completely built from the hype of a Zayn solo song, and it's definitely one of the most forgotten #1 hits of the 2010s.
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Post by BB🌕 on Jan 16, 2020 18:26:54 GMT -5
Rocketeer by Far East Movement peaked at 7 on the hot 100
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Post by theflying on Jan 16, 2020 19:11:30 GMT -5
IDWLF is literally almost at a BILLION streams on Spotify.
Please do some basic checking before you arbitrarily deem fairly recent big hits “forgotten”.
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Post by tuna on Jan 16, 2020 20:31:28 GMT -5
either Team by Lorde or Good Life by OneRepublic, as they sound so similar that the collective memory of them will lump together. Whenever I listen to Team I expect the whistling from Good Life to come in
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Post by Dielawn on Jan 16, 2020 22:29:54 GMT -5
Woops! Yes your right. Low came out in 2007. "Good Feeling" and "Wild Ones" are not forgotten. "GDFR" is pretty well-remembered for a song that peaked at #8 on CHR. "I Cry" is the forgotten one.
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Post by weirdo on Jan 16, 2020 23:30:13 GMT -5
either Team by Lorde or Good Life by OneRepublic, as they sound so similar that the collective memory of them will lump together. Whenever I listen to Team I expect the whistling from Good Life to come in Ooh, good one. I dont even remember what Team sounded like (i just remember it being on rhe 2014 charts), but i hate Good Life so i probably wouldnt likr it (Good Life sounds pretty depressing for a song about living a GOOD life)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 9:41:41 GMT -5
As much as I actually quite enjoy this song (unlike general consensus), I have a feeling Panic! At The Disco's "Hey Look Ma, I Made It" will end up being forgotten, especially given that "High Hopes" was the much bigger hit. Still, it is to be expected for a song that peaked at #16 and landed at #61 on the Year-End.
On another similar note, Mariah Carey's "#Beautiful" peaked at #15 at landed at #81 on the 2013 Year-End, but people barely talk about it nowadays, with some folks even agreeing that "Obsessed" was Mariah's last proper chart hit.
I'm not sure if either of those count as proper hits though. 🤔
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Post by degen on Jan 18, 2020 15:52:12 GMT -5
All of Britney’s singles off “Femme Fatale” are forgotten
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Post by degen on Jan 18, 2020 15:53:47 GMT -5
2 huge early 2010s pop female artists : Katy Perry - Last Friday Night --> the weakest single on Teenage Dream - The One That Got Away --> her best song on Teenage Dream imo, overshadowed by her bigger hits. - Part Of Me, quick easy no. 1, forgotten in a few months, a tryingtohard video - Wide Awake, felt bigger than Part Of Me imo, average video - Uncondiotionally, sandwiched between 2 huge hits, poor unwanted 2nd single. Dark Horse outsold it even when it wasnt released yet as a 3rd single. - Birthday, a Maroon 5's Sugar twin, killed by a nightmare horrible video. Britney Spears Sadly, maybe almost (or All) her 2010s hits are forgotten.... - Hold It Against Me, a quick no. 1, forgotten in a month. But still my fave song on Femme Fatale. A cool dubstep thing. - I Wanna Go, a big US airplay for Britney standard, but Till The World Ends always overshadows it forever. - I think people even may consider TTWE forgotten as well? Im not sure. But it was her most popular hit since Womanizer. As well her last popular solo hit. (Dont count Nicki Kesha remix) - Scream & Shout, huuuge hit in 2013. Britney biggest worldwide hit actually since Pre Blackout era. But it felt like a 2013 hit, not a timeless hit. - Work Bitch, maybe a favorite as a gay club anthem? But forgotten overall, the end of her late 00s/early 10s rising popularity with Circus/3/FemmeFatale Didn’t see this before I responded. Ironically I think “Work Bitch” is the most remembered now since it’s pretty niche. You definitely hear that a gay bar over any of the Femme Fatale singles.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Jan 18, 2020 22:08:16 GMT -5
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Jan 18, 2020 22:26:33 GMT -5
IDWLF is literally almost at a BILLION streams on Spotify. Please do some basic checking before you arbitrarily deem fairly recent big hits “forgotten”. A billion streams and still forgotten. Sad!
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Post by theflying on Jan 18, 2020 22:56:55 GMT -5
OK that made me smile
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 16:12:37 GMT -5
Forgotten by the general public, but a staple on music critics' Worst Songs of 2010 lists 😉
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