Billboard Hot 100: 07/06/2019

[fhas]

Anyways... HDD updated the streaming chart and they have Panini at #3 with 24.4M.

[Crimsonio]

I just want everyone to truly know that OTR is an awful meme song by an awful rapper who should've stayed on stan Twitter with asking Nicki to pee on him. Know that.

[ddlz]

Jun 28, 2019 18:07:24 GMT -5 fhas said:

Anyways... HDD updated the streaming chart and they have Panini at #3 with 24.4M.

Enough for Top 10 debut?

[Abbaschand]

Jun 28, 2019 18:08:22 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

I just want everyone to truly know that OTR is a masterpiece of a song by an up-and-coming rapper who should've stayed shitposting on Twitter. Know that.

[Mylo13 💜]

Hopefully Hey Look Ma, I Made It can continue to rise up the charts!

[#LisaRinna]

Jun 28, 2019 18:08:22 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

I just want everyone to truly know that OTR is an awful meme song by an awful rapper who should've stayed on stan Twitter with asking Nicki to pee on him. Know that.

Crine.

[TakeMe]

When is the OTR Young Thug remix dropping?

[fhas]

Jun 28, 2019 18:09:34 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Jun 28, 2019 18:07:24 GMT -5 fhas said:

Anyways... HDD updated the streaming chart and they have Panini at #3 with 24.4M.

Enough for Top 10 debut?

I didn't calculte its points, but I don't it's gonna be enough.

It's #3 on-demand and #13 on YouTube but radio isn't playing the song. Sometimes, the charts are frustrating.

[mzumii]

Jun 28, 2019 17:02:07 GMT -5 ddlz said:

My excitement for new Post Godlone single lasted about 10 seconds before I realized I had it in my inbox for like half a year.

On one hand, I'm really annoyed. On the other hand, I can't blame King of universe for releasing leftovers because pretty much all of his leaked/unreleased tracks sound like hits, so why not cash in on them? 

Anyhow, the song is fire, so I won't complain too much. But he's definitely getting greedy. The collabo with French & Cardi is also an old song that leaked in 2016.

The collab with French and Cardi song is an old song yes, but I think they re-did it completely. I think the hook will stay the same though.

[thegreatdivine]

The new Post Malone single will more than likely debut in the top 10 and remain there for the rest of the year.

[kimberly]

Jun 28, 2019 19:17:03 GMT -5 fhas said:

Jun 28, 2019 18:09:34 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Enough for Top 10 debut?

I didn't calculte its points, but I don't it's gonna be enough.

It's #3 on-demand and #13 on YouTube but radio isn't playing the song. Sometimes, the charts are frustrating.

Can't blame radio for not playing it because his EP was a big disappointment, and I did not have high expectations to start with. I don't see Panini or Rodeo sticking around longer than OTR. (Meaning once OTR is dead, all these will be.) But if OTR breaks the record or at least matches it, they might get a real shot, just like how the Billboard Country Charts drama fueled OTR. The remaining songs really don't work, and Rodeo only works because people are intrigued. Y'all know I was supporting this kid and OTR way back, but 7 ain't it. 

[rfucom]

Jun 28, 2019 22:39:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

The new Post Malone single will more than likely debut in the top 10 and remain there for the rest of the year.

Is this confirmed?

[owenlovesmusic]

Jun 28, 2019 23:44:13 GMT -5 rfucom said:

Jun 28, 2019 22:39:16 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

The new Post Malone single will more than likely debut in the top 10 and remain there for the rest of the year.

Is this confirmed?

Yes

[Gary]

The single is confirmed but the top 10 debut and its longevity is not quite yet

[Gary]

Lil Nas X Is Not 'Blocking' Taylor Swift From a Number One Hit

Hazel Cills
Tuesday 4:30pmFiled to: taylor swift


“Old Town Road” is still the number one hit on the Billboard Top 100 chart and it has been for 12 straight weeks. Right below it is Taylor Swift’s song “You Need to Calm Down,” and when she previously debuted her song “ME!” it also landed in the number two spot on the chart.

Much has been written about the massive success of “Old Town Road,” with a repeated emphasis on how the song is keeping other artists (Ed Sheeran, Post Malone, and Justin Bieber among them) but especially Swift’s songs from the top. The song has “prevented” Swift’s singles from reaching the number one spot and it’s “kept Taylor Swift out of the number one spot.” “If Taylor Swift can’t have a number one pop hit in 2019, can anyone?” Vanity Fair asks, which makes little sense. Someone already has the number one pop hit of 2019: Lil Nas X. The framing continually is that such a spot is not just home for Taylor Swift, but one she deserves even if her new songs aren’t great.

It is okay to feel incredulous about the success of “Old Town Road.” Critics and reporters have pointed out that Lil Nas X’s internet savvy for memes, creating high-engagement tweets, and navigating the murky waters of Soundcloud rap by tagging a song #country was in part responsible for the song’s virality; he told the New York Times he even created an SEO-friendly Reddit post pretending to be someone asking “what’s that song that goes ‘old town road’?”

The repeated implication is that the deliberate memeification of “Old Town Road” is sort of dirty, unworthy of a number one chart spot. But am I supposed to understand that Taylor Swift’s “You Need to Calm Down,” a deeply unfortunate turn in her pop catalog, with a video that essentially compares Internet haters snarking on her to the right-wing harassment and violence queer people face, is more worthy of the spot because she’s simply gotten there, time and time again?

Not that the charts reward great music anyway. They’re ripe for gamification, as we’ve seen with Post Malone’s label hacking Youtube streaming counts by uploading loops of a song’s chorus, as well as elaborate fan programs and merchandise bundles that boost sale numbers. We saw with “Hotline Bling” that a great video can solidify the success of a song (and given how streams work, solidify the success of an entire album even if people only ever stream that one song.) And yet many artists obsess over chart placement and fans are supposed to understand that it means something.

At the heart of the duel between “Old Town Road” and Swift’s songs is an anxiety over playing by the rules, one which Swift follows diligently but don’t work for her anymore. Hyping up premieres for videos bloated with Queer Eye members and an inexplicable Ryan Reynolds cameo is a strategy that might not work anymore when it comes to something as technical as chart-topping. To suggest that “Old Town Road” is blocking some other popular artist on the chart is to suggest that chart success is certain, especially for artists like Taylor, but nothing could be farther from the truth.

[85la]

Jun 28, 2019 18:08:22 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

I just want everyone to truly know that OTR is an awful meme song by an awful rapper who should've stayed on stan Twitter with asking Nicki to pee on him. Know that.

He does have a point in the sense that, I mean, do you guys really think OTR is a masterpiece worthy of breaking the record? I know quality of song doesn't and shouldn't always indicate long-term success, but I would think that the majority of people would agree that One Sweet Day and Despacito are at least significantly better songs with more serious craftsmanship. OTR is a parody song, a joke, with highly questionable vocals. Even if you think it's a fun little bop, it's fun-ness isn't even that great or innovative, the meme aspect of people prancing around in cowboy gear - very original and captivating! It really is pretty sad if this is what captivates America.

[Enigma.]

Interesting OTR didn't get much boost from the album release on on-demand streaming, up only 10% according to HDD. But in the battle on Hot 100 it's irrelevant.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

oh my god i didnt need a thinkpiece concerning the usage of the word "block" in reference to OTR, im losing brain cells

[thegreatdivine]

Re: OTR potentially breaking the record for the longest running #1 song on the Hot 100, we have to remind ourselves that these records are just that: records. They're meant to be broken. Would it feel better if an artist with a legit career behind them who you knew would end up with a much stronger legacy when their career was over broke the record instead of a kid who we probably won't be talking about after this year, yes, but that isn't the case. I said earlier that OTR is one of those anomaly records that come every once in a while and just DOMINATE. Not because the artist is bigger than the biggest artists in the world but because they stumbled onto a song that just does a lot for them. The story of most rookie artists who score hits that huge that early in their careers is that they often can never match that hit and eventually fade back into oblivion. Whether that will be the case for Lil Nas X or not remains to be seen, but we all need to just let this kid live. The song WILL remain at #1 until a bigger song overtakes it.

This all takes me back to when Desiigner smashed with Panda and Fetty Wap did the same with Trap Queen. Massive singles + a lot of fame/recognition that year, but they both could never match that success and pretty soon, people moved on from them. Let Lil Nas X have his moment. If he breaks the record then great, his name is etched somewhere in history, if he doesn't, still great because he still has one of the most dominant #1's in history.

[gabe]

Old Town Road blocked Me!, If I Can't Have You, etc.
Despacito blocked Wild Thoughts
Lose Yourself blocked Work It

It's not saying that the #1 songs don't deserve it.. it's saying that they kept another song from the top spot. People are really doing the most these days

[Au$tin]

Jun 29, 2019 6:41:06 GMT -5 gabe said:

Old Town Road blocked Me!

That's unfortunate. I didn't even know you have a new single out!

[fhas]

"Deserves to break the record" is subjective.

Looking at the numbers, OTR is bigger than Despacito during its peak, but 16 weeks is a lot of time and a song with 16 weeks of ~60k points has more chances to tie that record than a song with 12 weeks of 80k points and 4 four weeks of 30k although we can all agree the latter song is stronger during that 16-week frame (960k points vs. 1.08M points).

I can't really compare OTR/Despacito to OSD (20+ years difference) but when I was younger I was always intrigued to know why that is the 90s song (and not Macarena, IWALY, Black or White, etc.) that held the #1 record. In my country, it's "only" known as the song with the most weeks at #1 in Hot 100's history, but I never heard that song on radio and it's not a sales/streaming hit.

I know both artists were huge in the USA, but was it a sales/radio monster and how competitive were the charts at the time?

[moonlite]

^Not saying OSD wasn't big, but it was "helped" taken to 16 weeks because of some label manipulation with heavy discounting.

[fhas]

Just remembered that ry4n posted a Google document with the component position from 1991 to 2012 for every Hot 100 number one hit.

1990s

End Of The Road (1992)
Hot 100: 13 weeks at #1
Sales (Physical): 12 weeks at #1
Radio: 12 weeks at #1
--> 12 weeks being #1 in all metrics simultaneously.

I Will Always Love You (1992/93)
Hot 100: 14 weeks at #1
Sales (Physical): 14 weeks at #1
Radio: 11 weeks at #1
--> 11 weeks being #1 in all metrics simultaneously.

I'll Make Love To You (1994)
Hot 100: 14 weeks at #1
Sales (Physical): 11 weeks at #1
Radio: 12 weeks at #1
--> 9 weeks being #1 in all metrics simultaneously.

One Sweet Day (1995/96)
Hot 100: 16 weeks at #1
Sales (Physical): 11 weeks at #1
Radio: 13 weeks at #1
--> 10 weeks being #1 in all metrics simultaneously.

[jenglisbe]

Jun 29, 2019 9:01:18 GMT -5 fhas said:

"Deserves to break the record" is subjective.

Looking at the numbers, OTR is bigger than Despacito during its peak, but 16 weeks is a lot of time and a song with 16 weeks of ~60k points has more chances to tie that record than a song with 12 weeks of 80k points and 4 four weeks of 30k although we can all agree the latter song is stronger during that 16-week frame (960k points vs. 1.08M points).

I can't really compare OTR/Despacito to OSD (20+ years difference) but when I was younger I was always intrigued to know why that is the 90s song (and not Macarena, IWALY, Black or White, etc.) that held the #1 record. In my country, it's "only" known as the song with the most weeks at #1 in Hot 100's history, but I never heard that song on radio and it's not a sales/streaming hit.

I know both artists were huge in the USA, but was it a sales/radio monster and how competitive were the charts at the time?

"One Sweet Day" was huge. It sold over 2 million copies, which was a very large total at that time (especially since it was a 2nd single and the album was also selling really well). It was also #1 at radio for over 10 weeks. No other song at that time had the combination of sales and airplay that "OSD" did, which is why it was #1 for so long.

During its 16th week at #1, Billboard actually predicted it might get another week at #1. It fell to #5 and actually fell fairly quickly. I always wondered if the commercial single was deleted, which was common for Sony at that time as they sought to maximize album sales (the "Fantasy" commercial single was deleted, as was Celine's "Because You Loved Me").

Jun 29, 2019 9:23:33 GMT -5 moonlite said:

^Not saying OSD wasn't big, but it was "helped" taken to 16 weeks because of some label manipulation with heavy discounting.

Nope, try again.

[thegreatdivine]

I might be getting ahead of myself again here, but I think it's safe to say that this will be Señorita's peak in streams. It's increased from 6.5 million streams to 9.6 million streams in a week. That's a 3 million increase. My bet is that is reduces in streams over the weekend, increases again on Monday, ends up with more streams in week 2 than in week 1, but never surpasses 9.6 million streams and never reaches 10 million streams. Might be wrong, but I don't think I'll be.

Song has performed impressively so far.

[ddlz]

Old Town Road is a much better song than One Sweet Day... but it's not better than Despacito. I still want it to break the record because it would be so much fun.

[thegreatdivine]

Jun 29, 2019 9:53:18 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Old Town Road is a much better song than One Sweet Day... but it's not better than Despacito. I still want it to break the record because it would be so much fun.

I like old, long-standing records being broken. I'm always here for it. Mostly because I think every record is meant to be broken. It just keeps things exciting.

[kierz7]

There was no “manipulation” behind OSD’s success. It was simply the combination of having two Hot 100 powerhouses unexpectedly collaborate on a song together of which brought it so much heavy chart traction. Even if it’s airplay was “manipulated” that doesn’t explain the fact that it ranked number one in sales for well over double-digit weeks.

•••

These are the biggest respective sales weeks that each of the aforementioned songs had.

• End of the Road: 345K+ sales - Week 7

(3 weeks of 300K+ sales)

• I Will Always Love You: 636K sales - Week 6

(2 weeks of 600K+ sales & 5 weeks of 400K+ sales)

• I’ll Make Love To You: 319K sales - Weeks 5

(4 weeks of 300K+ sales)

• One Sweet Day: 290K sales: Week 10

(9 weeks of 200K+ sales)

• The Boy Is Mine: 336K sales - Week 3

(3 weeks of 300K+ sales)

• Candle in The Wind: 3.5M+ sales - Week 1

(3weeks of 1M+ sales & 5 weeks of 500K+ sales)

•••

“I Will Always Love You” and “Candle in the Wind” had the biggest respective Physical sales weeks of any song in the soundscan era.

“I Will...” finished the 90’s with 4.5+ sales in the U.S and “Candle In...” finished the 90’s with 9.5M+ sales and is the only song to be certified ‘Diamond’ with sales the closest to 10M+ units since (“I Gotta Feeling” ranks second).

[fhas]

Jun 29, 2019 9:54:53 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Jun 29, 2019 9:53:18 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Old Town Road is a much better song than One Sweet Day... but it's not better than Despacito. I still want it to break the record because it would be so much fun.

I like old, long-standing records being broken. I'm always here for it. Mostly because I think every record is meant to be broken. It just keeps things exciting.

It sucks that every position record (#1, top 3, top 5, top 10) is a tie between two songs. The "OSD/Despacito record", "UpTown Funk!/Closer" record, "SOY/GLY" record... that's not good, imo.