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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 4, 2019 6:23:10 GMT -5
The whole certifications thing is just a technicality anyway. The songs are eligible for those levels, which is what matters. If an artist sells X amount, they qualify for whatever level theyβre at but whether they pay the fee or not, regardless of how much areyoureadytorun reminds them, they still reached that level. It hardly matters in the end. A million selling album is at the same level as a platinum certified million selling album. They're just a technicality, but they matter, lol. If not for chartdata, who go out of their way to notify when certain songs/albums love a certain amount of units, I think a bunch of artists don't even know. There SHOULD be a system where a song/album automatically gets certified gold, Platinum, multiplatinum as soon as it moves the needed amount of units. Makes it easier, keeps every artist's career totals updated, etc. |
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Jul 4, 2019 6:42:23 GMT -5
I think it depends if Lil Nas X will release the remix with Young Thug this week or not
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Jul 4, 2019 6:45:02 GMT -5
You mean race for #2, right? I don't know why people are STILL playing themselves and setting themselves up for disappointment by still saying X song by X artist will debut at #1. Post Malone has never scored a #1 debut and he's had two songs in circulation since the year started. His new song will more than likely spend a long time in the top 10 (as his singles tend to do), though. At this point, I fully expect OTR to break the record for longest-running #1 Hot 100 song, barring any surprise massive hit release.Β I know post didnt debut at #1 yet but now he is bigger than before so he could easily do that. |
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Post by groovetheory on Jul 4, 2019 7:00:11 GMT -5
^I think it solely depends on the song at this point. If it's instantly good and meme-able, it has a shot. If it isn't on that level, then it's a race for #2.
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Post by rfucom on Jul 4, 2019 7:10:21 GMT -5
I hope Post can break atleast 3M on spotify on the 1st day and 2M on succeding days. Video will be out and seems good on the twitter clip. I expect no.1 on itunes and a good positioning on AM because Youngthug was ob it. And with radio deal i think all is possible. Just thinking positive tho.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Jul 4, 2019 7:16:36 GMT -5
You mean race for #2, right? I don't know why people are STILL playing themselves and setting themselves up for disappointment by still saying X song by X artist will debut at #1. Post Malone has never scored a #1 debut and he's had two songs in circulation since the year started. His new song will more than likely spend a long time in the top 10 (as his singles tend to do), though. At this point, I fully expect OTR to break the record for longest-running #1 Hot 100 song, barring any surprise massive hit release. Post debuted at #2 two times, with rockstar and Psycho (without a music video). If Post releases a video on Friday, who knows. |
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Post by rfucom on Jul 4, 2019 7:45:32 GMT -5
Lets just stream Goodbyes on AM and Spotify. Really hope Post can do it.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 4, 2019 7:47:18 GMT -5
The whole certifications thing is just a technicality anyway. The songs are eligible for those levels, which is what matters. If an artist sells X amount, they qualify for whatever level theyβre at but whether they pay the fee or not, regardless of how much areyoureadytorun reminds them, they still reached that level. It hardly matters in the end. A million selling album is at the same level as a platinum certified million selling album. They're just a technicality, but they matter, lol. If not for chartdata, who go out of their way to notify when certain songs/albums love a certain amount of units, I think a bunch of artists don't even know. There SHOULD be a system where a song/album automatically gets certified gold, Platinum, multiplatinum as soon as it moves the needed amount of units. Makes it easier, keeps every artist's career totals updated, etc. Iβm sure the artists who care about units sold/streamed can get that info from their labels through their own management. The certification is literally just an award but one you have to pay for. It would be no different than a student who gets a 3.5 GPA or 4.0 GPA applying for an official award recognition of that fact. |
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Post by kingvavis on Jul 4, 2019 7:53:45 GMT -5
You mean race for #2, right? I don't know why people are STILL playing themselves and setting themselves up for disappointment by still saying X song by X artist will debut at #1. Post Malone has never scored a #1 debut and he's had two songs in circulation since the year started. His new song will more than likely spend a long time in the top 10 (as his singles tend to do), though. At this point, I fully expect OTR to break the record for longest-running #1 Hot 100 song, barring any surprise massive hit release.Β Post has managed in the past to have strong debut on the hot 100 with Psycho and Rockstar. Remember that Drake never had a number one debut before God's Plan or Ariana Grande before Thank U Next and with Ariana's case, this was quickly after her last album. Post has built enough momentum to strike number one though nothing is ever guaranteed. |
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Post by ddlz on Jul 4, 2019 8:00:28 GMT -5
Post's song is not meme-able. I would compare it to ''All My Friends''. And it has a lengthy Young Thug verse that is going to be make it polarizing.  You guys need to accept and make peace with the fact that Old Town Road is going to break the record.  |
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Post by rfucom on Jul 4, 2019 8:17:15 GMT -5
Post's song is not meme-able. I would compare it to ''All My Friends''. And it has a lengthy Young Thug verse that is going to be make it polarizing. Β You guys need to accept and make peace with the fact that Old Town Road is going to break the record.Β It's the last hope we've seen since no big name will be dropping on 15 to 16th week except eds album droppong. Well i hope the badguy megaremix will do a close battle on the 17th week. |
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Post by ddlz on Jul 4, 2019 8:33:20 GMT -5
Neither Ed nor Post are going to make it, you can bet on that. Even Bad Guy with remix is going to be an uphill battle because Old Tow Road still has like 300 point advantage. I just can't see it happening, especially if Lil Nas releases more remixes.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 4, 2019 8:33:54 GMT -5
I don't know why people are STILL playing themselves and setting themselves up for disappointment by still saying X song by X artist will debut at #1. Post Malone has never scored a #1 debut and he's had two songs in circulation since the year started. His new song will more than likely spend a long time in the top 10 (as his singles tend to do), though. At this point, I fully expect OTR to break the record for longest-running #1 Hot 100 song, barring any surprise massive hit release. Post has managed in the past to have strong debut on the hot 100 with Psycho and Rockstar. Remember that Drake never had a number one debut before God's Plan or Ariana Grande before Thank U Next and with Ariana's case, this was quickly after her last album. Post has built enough momentum to strike number one though nothing is ever guaranteed. Yes, but Post has been releasing a steady stream of singles since 2015. From White Iverson, Too Young, Go Flex, Deja Vu, Congratulations, Rockstar, Candy Paint, I Fall Apart, Psycho, Ball for Me, Better Now, Sunflower, Wow. and now Goodbyes. He's never had a break period and has always had a single in circulation and he drops another before the one in circulation dies out. I'm not saying his new single can't reach #1. OTR will EVENTUALLY die out and will be replaced by another song and it might as well be Post Malone's. I'm just saying having hope for a #1 debut shouldn't be a thing since Post Malone's singles don't usually have strong debuts in points and OTR is still pulling 60+k points weekly. If the #1 song was pulling 35k points, I could see a #1 debut for Post Malone, but not with how strong OTR still is. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 4, 2019 8:35:16 GMT -5
Neither Ed nor Post are going to make it, you can bet on that. Even Bad Guy with remix is going to be an uphill battle because Old Tow Road still has like 300 point advantage. I just can't see it happening, especially if Lil Nas releases more remixes. Even without on-demand streams, radio airplay and pure sales, it's still pulling in a massive amount of it's streams from user-generated videos and that's more than enough to give it an edge over other songs that don't have the same kind of engagement. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 4, 2019 8:40:11 GMT -5
They're just a technicality, but they matter, lol. If not for chartdata, who go out of their way to notify when certain songs/albums love a certain amount of units, I think a bunch of artists don't even know. There SHOULD be a system where a song/album automatically gets certified gold, Platinum, multiplatinum as soon as it moves the needed amount of units. Makes it easier, keeps every artist's career totals updated, etc. Iβm sure the artists who care about units sold/streamed can get that info from their labels through their own management. The certification is literally just an award but one you have to pay for. It would be no different than a student who gets a 3.5 GPA or 4.0 GPA applying for an official award recognition of that fact. I wouldn't make that comparison because while most students don't care to broadcast their academic performance to the entire world, MOST artists care that their stats are out there. It's one thing for an artist to know their album has moved 5 million units in the US. It's another thing to be able to post proof that it's done that and share that info with fans and the rest of the world. That's the whole idea behind plaques. To have something official and rock solid you can point to as proof of your success. Certifications also matter to artists because their total count of records sold remains inaccurate until those certifications are made. Artists/labels care about broadcasting their success and achievements and that's why bodies like the RIAA exist in the first place. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 4, 2019 8:46:35 GMT -5
I don't know why people are STILL playing themselves and setting themselves up for disappointment by still saying X song by X artist will debut at #1. Post Malone has never scored a #1 debut and he's had two songs in circulation since the year started. His new song will more than likely spend a long time in the top 10 (as his singles tend to do), though. At this point, I fully expect OTR to break the record for longest-running #1 Hot 100 song, barring any surprise massive hit release. Post debuted at #2 two times, with rockstar and Psycho (without a music video). If Post releases a video on Friday, who knows. While a strong streaming artist, Post has never been that strong on YouTube. If the video debuts on Friday (which I expect since he's teased a clip off of it), it'll pull views, yes, but it won't be doing 60-80 million views in a week. That just isn't his strong suit. Post's true power is in his longevity. He outlasts a lot of people, but he doesn't necessarily out-peak a lot of people (go to the list of most streamed Spotify songs in a day and Post isn't in the top 20). I also expect the song to get a very strong push on radio in the first week. All that good stuff. I'm not saying the song won't have a huge amount of points in the first week, I'm just saying I'm fairly confident those points won't be enough to topple OTR. Also, what if Lil Nas X drops whatever new remix he has up his sleeve tomorrow to further secure his #1 spot just in case? |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 4, 2019 8:52:23 GMT -5
I also think that we've all of a sudden made such a huge deal about #1 debuts since last year when Drake scored back to back #1 debuts and all the #1 debuts we've gotten since then. People also want OTR to be replaced so bad and since there isn't any song out yet that can grow to topple it before it breaks the record, everyone is on edge, but it's really not that big a deal. I doubt Post Malone ever aims to debut at #1. He seems comfortable having a song build a house in the top 10 and stay there for months on end. He already has 3 #1's to his name and I'm sure he has no doubt he'll eventually score more.
We all just need to stop with this ''I bet this new song by this artist will topple OTR.'' That's overplayed at this point.
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Post by David on Jul 4, 2019 9:34:59 GMT -5
I think the best time for the "Bad Guy" remix to come out is in a couple weeks.... it will be ahead of "OTR" in airplay at that point, and if the remix truly has a "megastar" on it then I think it can pass "OTR" in both sales and streams, too. It will be interesting!
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 4, 2019 9:50:01 GMT -5
This whole thing got people in they feelings huh lol
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Post by ddlz on Jul 4, 2019 10:03:21 GMT -5
thegreatdivine is right. Some people are really on the edge because of OTR. Let's relax and have some fun learning the lyrics to Post Godlone's single so we can worship him together tonight! ----- [Verse 1: Post Malone] Me and Kurt feel the same, too much pleasure is pain My girl spites me in vain, all I do is complain She needs something to change, need to take off the e-e-edge So f*ck it all tonight And don't tell me to shut up When you know you talk too much But you don't got sh*t to say-ay-ay (Say) [Chorus: Post Malone] I want you out of my head I want you out of my bedroom tonight (Bedroom) There's no way I could save you (Save you) 'Cause I need to be saved too I'm no good at goodbyes [Verse 2: Post Malone] We're both actin' insane, but too stubborn to change Now I'm drinkin' again, 80 proof in my veins And my fingertips stained, looking over the e-e-edge Don't f*ck with me tonight Say you needed this heart, then you got it (Got it) Turns out that it wasn't what you wanted (Wanted) And we wouldn't let go and we lost it Now I'm a goner [Chorus: Post Malone] I want you out of my head (Head) I want you out of my bedroom tonight (Bedroom) There's no way I could save you (Save you) 'Cause I need to be saved too (Saved too) I'm no good at goodbyes [Verse 3: Young Thug] I want you right in my life I want you back here tonight I'm tryna cut you, no knife I wanna slice ya and dice ya My argue possessive, ain't got you precise Can you not turn off the TV? I'm watchin' a fight My flight a garage, blue diamond, no shock You poppin' like dove, this n*gga bein' honest You don't need a key to drive, your car on a charger I just wanna see the side, the one that's unbothered, yeah And I just wanna hit it one more time, yeah I wanna damage your love, I ain't tryna damage your love, ooh And I don't watch ya never to go outside ('Side) I promise if they play, my n*ggas slidin' (Slidin') I'm f*ckin' in her too but still ridin' (Ride in) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah [Chorus: Post Malone] I want you out of my head (Head) I want you out of my bedroom tonight (Bedroom) There's no way I could save you (Save you) 'Cause I need to be saved too (Saved too) I'm no good at goodbyes [Outro: Post Malone] Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye I'm no good at goodbyes Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye I'm no good at goodbyes
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Jul 4, 2019 10:09:09 GMT -5
i am praying that Post Malone releases this song w a (NOT LAZY) music video so it can get #1
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Post by spicymapping on Jul 4, 2019 10:11:32 GMT -5
I Don't Care might run at it at the albums release but if that fails it'll get 16
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 4, 2019 10:28:21 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/07/04
1(=) Khalid - Talk 166.48(+1.25)
2(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 147.75(+0.31)
3(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 137.11(+0.77)
4(=) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger108.96 -1.20 5 148.02 35 77 141 34
5(=) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix] 106.43(-1.89)
6(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 102.68(-0.50)
7(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 98.47(+1.31)
8(=) Panic! At the Disco - Hey Look Ma, I Made It 94.30(+1.61)
9(=) Post Malone - Wow. 90.39(-0.84)
10(=) Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho 73.43(-0.26)
20(+2) Eric Church - Some of It 53.55(+1.04) 22(+3) Taylor Swift - You Need To Calm Down 52.37(+1.04)
23(+5) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 52.03(+1.85) 42(+8) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - SeΓ±orita 38.29(+2.07)
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 4, 2019 10:30:31 GMT -5
Neither Ed nor Post are going to make it, you can bet on that. Even Bad Guy with remix is going to be an uphill battle because Old Tow Road still has like 300 point advantage. I just can't see it happening, especially if Lil Nas releases more remixes. Even without on-demand streams, radio airplay and pure sales, it's still pulling in a massive amount of it's streams from user-generated videos and that's more than enough to give it an edge over other songs that don't have the same kind of engagement. Agreed. Some people seem to be in denial that it has been getting a fair share of weekly streams from memes. |
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Post by L.Kennedy on Jul 4, 2019 10:41:42 GMT -5
Hey Look Ma biggest update in the TOP 20 on radio.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 4, 2019 10:48:29 GMT -5
Personally, I'm excited about the new music releases we'll be getting in the month of July. Last week saw a couple of artists drop songs/albums and I enjoyed most of them. MGK and Dreamville release albums tomorrow, along with Post Malone's new single.
On Friday, the 12th of July, Ed Sheeran, BANKS and Yuna all release new albums.
On Friday, the 19th of July, Freya Ridings, Iggy Azealea and Sabrina Carpenter all release new albums.
We might also get new singles in any of the upcoming weeks from notable artists who just haven't made those announcements yet. I really do hope the second half of the year sees a steady stream of better albums and music period being released. The first half of 2019 was a tough one to get through.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 4, 2019 11:10:26 GMT -5
^Also, it seems Rihanna could be releasing sometime in the future, but there's nothing clear yet after so many rumors the last few months ...
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Post by ddlz on Jul 4, 2019 11:33:00 GMT -5
I think Gaga will release something in Q3. Rihanna in Q4.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 4, 2019 11:34:11 GMT -5
Iβm sure the artists who care about units sold/streamed can get that info from their labels through their own management. The certification is literally just an award but one you have to pay for. It would be no different than a student who gets a 3.5 GPA or 4.0 GPA applying for an official award recognition of that fact. I wouldn't make that comparison because while most students don't care to broadcast their academic performance to the entire world, MOST artists care that their stats are out there. It's one thing for an artist to know their album has moved 5 million units in the US. It's another thing to be able to post proof that it's done that and share that info with fans and the rest of the world. That's the whole idea behind plaques. To have something official and rock solid you can point to as proof of your success. Certifications also matter to artists because their total count of records sold remains inaccurate until those certifications are made. Artists/labels care about broadcasting their success and achievements and that's why bodies like the RIAA exist in the first place. Can you speak for the artists though? Iβd be curious to know if they really care about that stuff and how much they care about the distinction between label/retail confirmation and recording industry certification. I suppose if they truly cared, they could pony up the cost of the plaque. |
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Post by divasummer on Jul 4, 2019 11:49:11 GMT -5
Iβm sure the artists who care about units sold/streamed can get that info from their labels through their own management. The certification is literally just an award but one you have to pay for. It would be no different than a student who gets a 3.5 GPA or 4.0 GPA applying for an official award recognition of that fact. I wouldn't make that comparison because while most students don't care to broadcast their academic performance to the entire world, MOST artists care that their stats are out there. It's one thing for an artist to know their album has moved 5 million units in the US. It's another thing to be able to post proof that it's done that and share that info with fans and the rest of the world. That's the whole idea behind plaques. To have something official and rock solid you can point to as proof of your success. Certifications also matter to artists because their total count of records sold remains inaccurate until those certifications are made. Artists/labels care about broadcasting their success and achievements and that's why bodies like the RIAA exist in the first place. I don't remember for sure but I think the reason the RIAA was a big deal back in the day is because it forced labels to share their sales figures. It was like an audit for the artist and management to see if they were getting what they were owed. Your correct that labels use certifications as bragging rights now but an artist can probably Tweet out how much a record has sold on their own and just can't use RIAA's name. Now that we all have sales figures available some labels stopped certifying. I think their only certifying again because of the streaming stuff. "Look My song is 15X's platinum". Yes it's good for marketing I guess but they seem to be becoming more irrelevant by the year... |
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You guys need to accept and make peace with the fact that Old Town Road is going to break the record. 
