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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 30, 2019 20:36:15 GMT -5
Jesus. This has just over a million views in 8 hrs. That seems super low from someone of her calliber (racking up huge view counts). And yet it’s better than all 3 of Taylor’s videos? The video is a slam dunk. It’s just she isn’t on the Pop throne anymore, so she gets overlooked. Low views doesn’t mean it isn’t quality.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 30, 2019 21:10:27 GMT -5
Jesus. This has just over a million views in 8 hrs. That seems super low from someone of her calliber (racking up huge view counts). And yet it’s better than all 3 of Taylor’s videos? Lol. I love when people come for Taylor as a retort to my opinions, as if I mind. Go awf sis. Just was shocked to see that figure when it was a suggested video. Even Katy's flop singles typically had huge views.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 30, 2019 21:48:17 GMT -5
The video is really cute. I still can't get really into the song though.
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Post by dhill92 on Aug 30, 2019 22:42:10 GMT -5
The video is really cute. I still can't get really into the song though. Same here.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 31, 2019 0:35:20 GMT -5
Jesus. This has just over a million views in 8 hrs. That seems super low from someone of her calliber (racking up huge view counts). Sis you were just talking about readjusting expectations for Taylor, why can't you apply it here? Katy is not that popular, doesn't have a crazy core fanbase, and the song isn't new—it's been out and has not really done anything even with a cute, well produced lyric video. She's pulling in similar numbers to Ava Max, who just had a global smash (multi-week #1 across the pond and #10 here) so I feel like Katy's rebranding has been successful to an extent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 6:10:41 GMT -5
yeah, the dog theme shows why this is just a phase between smashes
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 31, 2019 6:18:16 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 31, 2019 7:37:00 GMT -5
Jesus. This has just over a million views in 8 hrs. That seems super low from someone of her calliber (racking up huge view counts). Sis you were just talking about readjusting expectations for Taylor, why can't you apply it here? I have in many ways, but even her last era had huge views comparatively for even the flop singles. I am not expecting top 5 or #1 on the Hot 100/pop radio etc, but I thought she still had interest in her videos. I have now readjusted my expectations for that as well.
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Post by yuh yuh on Aug 31, 2019 7:50:37 GMT -5
Sis you were just talking about readjusting expectations for Taylor, why can't you apply it here? I have in many ways, but even her last era had huge views comparatively for even the flop singles. I am not expecting top 5 or #1 on the Hot 100/pop radio etc, but I thought she still had interest in her videos. I have now readjusted my expectations for that as well. I'd say it's not only Katy but overall the views for non-Latin songs have declined drastically. For example Ariana also had kinda terrible overall views during Sweetener and tu,n eras (excluding ntltc, 7 rings and tu,n(song) debuts).
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Post by Choco on Aug 31, 2019 8:00:17 GMT -5
All the Katy videos this ear have done comparatively poorly vs Witness.
And this one probably has the least hype out of the three so I think 8m is respectable.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 31, 2019 8:04:50 GMT -5
All the Katy videos this ear have done comparatively poorly vs Witness. And this one probably has the least hype out of the three so I think 8m is respectable. Where is the 8 million figure coming from, just curious? And maybe the above poster is right as well. Views for music videos in general do seem to be down for YouTube. Peaked?
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Post by Choco on Aug 31, 2019 8:09:05 GMT -5
All the Katy videos this ear have done comparatively poorly vs Witness. And this one probably has the least hype out of the three so I think 8m is respectable. Where is the 8 million figure coming from, just curious? And maybe the above poster is right as well. Views for music videos in general do seem to be down for YouTube. Peaked? Oops, misread your previous post as 8 million when it was 8 hours... It's at 2.8M after 21 hours, which is tragic, tbh. But we all said scrap this and release something else weeks ago 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Post by Dammn Baby on Aug 31, 2019 8:42:56 GMT -5
Another expensive video. Not sure what they were thinking with the aesthetic and styling, however, as it just looks like Jerri Blank came into a lot of money.
The song is still one of her worst singles.
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Post by kimberly on Aug 31, 2019 9:42:20 GMT -5
Sis you were just talking about readjusting expectations for Taylor, why can't you apply it here? I have in many ways, but even her last era had huge views comparatively for even the flop singles. I am not expecting top 5 or #1 on the Hot 100/pop radio etc, but I thought she still had interest in her videos. I have now readjusted my expectations for that as well. "Never Really Over" was one of the biggest songs of the summer (#18) on Spotify but it still hasn't cracked 100M views on YouTube. Back in the old days where Vevo used to award videos with 100M views, Katy had a lot of them, more than most of her peers. It's safe to say she's not bringing in those views these days. Regarding Witness, I believe the polarizing videos + youtube algorithm randomly promoting "Bon Appetit" to everyone etc helped drive them up, especially when you consider the chart performances of "Appetit" and "Swish" their videos performed surprisingly well. yuh yuh I agree with your point too. People don't really watch music videos in this day and age, hence why some artists like Posty, Drake and Rihanna don't even have them for some of their big hits.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Aug 31, 2019 10:32:00 GMT -5
Yeah video views have really dropped lately across the board. I don't think the video views themselves are a sign of doom and gloom (though I wouldn't call them a success for even her either) but overall the signs for this are not looking great even if they are imagining a slow build rather than instant success. Like, the radio updates already seem sluggish.
I may be secretly rooting for this to fail though, being honest. Everything else she has been releasing has been gold and this feels like an average blip. I want more from these recording sessions already lol.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Aug 31, 2019 10:36:14 GMT -5
Oh Katy. You somehow managed to turn a song about going from strangers to lovers to strangers and having nothing to say now into a video about a...dog show? Easily my least favorite video of hers, hands down. Has NOTHING to do with the song. You know, I have defended her insistence on being goofy/campy/corny in the past, but I'm done. The GP has proven to be over it, but yet, Katy the Korny Komedienne just keeps on trucking. Sigh.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Aug 31, 2019 10:43:16 GMT -5
If shes sticking to the singles only thing, then she most likely has another single(if not the Harleys one), ready to go. Maybe she's just not on the album rollout wave, and that's ok.
Am I upset with what she released so far? Nope. It's cool to try different things/sounds. Also, radio seems to be giving it some type of love if it made Top 40 so far with minimal promotion, so someone is loving it out there🤷🏽♂️
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Post by Caviar on Aug 31, 2019 10:54:58 GMT -5
If shes sticking to the singles only thing, then she most likely has another single(if not the Harleys one), ready to go. Maybe she's just not on the album rollout wave, and that's ok. Am I upset with what she released so far? Nope. It's cool to try different things/sounds. Also, radio seems to be giving it some type of love if it made Top 40 so far with minimal promotion, so someone is loving it out there🤷🏽♂️ Yeah I agree with this. Typical of the pulse to bully a song over and over again and to blame YouTube algorithms for Witness’s high view count?! This is literally the most inoffensive song she's released since TD.
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 31, 2019 10:56:20 GMT -5
I’m pretty happy with both Never Really Over and Small Talk. Katy has returned to the relatable bops. I’m still loving the Small Talk video. It’s easily one of the cutest music videos of 2019.
I’m not too worried about chart performance this era. She’s back in the good graces of the GP/critics and releasing quality bops, even if the charts don’t reflect it. I just want an album!! I’m not a fan of random singles every few months with nothing attaching them together.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Aug 31, 2019 11:09:44 GMT -5
Honestly I love the idea of just singles, recording albums seems really tiring and it's the streaming era anyways. Might as well just release one off singles here and there and send them to radio. Katy's output this year has been pretty great; I loved 365, Con Calma Remix, Never Really Over and Small Talk. This is coming from someone who really only liked two songs from Katy during her peak, Dark Horse and Teenage Dream. Her recent sound is pop, but it isn't super immature. Like both Never Really Over and Small Talk are really relatable, this is something I expect from an older pop star. Growing your sound and lyrics and respectability while also retaining some real pop appeal. She's still doing pop like she was 10 years ago, but it just feels more mature in a way. Despite the whole "blah blah blah" stuff.
Whether this song actually starts blowing up or ends up completely flopping into the void, it doesn't matter. I'm still perched for whatever Katy has next.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 31, 2019 12:52:07 GMT -5
Oh Katy. You somehow managed to turn a song about going from strangers to lovers to strangers and having nothing to say now into a video about a...dog show? Easily my least favorite video of hers, hands down. Has NOTHING to do with the song. You know, I have defended her insistence on being goofy/campy/corny in the past, but I'm done. The GP has proven to be over it, but yet, Katy the Korny Komedienne just keeps on trucking. Sigh. see i disagree. There is no part of this video that screams cringeworthy the way the Swish Swish video did (or Birthday). The dogs may have nothing to do with the song, but so what? There are 1000's of videos that have themes not relating to the lyrics. Bad Romance? Hung Up? Any of Mariah's videos. Even Hey Hey Hey! lol It's a great video, better than what I was expecting even. I'm on the fence whether i want an album or not. Cuz with an album you get filler, and we haven't gotten filler, imo, since Witness. So I'm happy with strong output every so often as well. I can make an album by myself out of the post-Witness singles later on.
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 31, 2019 14:48:31 GMT -5
I am just trying to figure out the end game here... Katy and Co. are spending a lot of money (and energy) pushing these songs. No album? Thats fine and all... but then give me a tour announcement. These new songs aren't for the fans... there is still a business behind Katy Perry that needs to make money. Does anybody know how many more albums she owes her label contractually?
In regards to the end game here, I see two scenarios:
1) Album release which goes into a world tour. In this scenario, I can see why her label is trying to push ST so hard. They need something on radio to push through Fall, so they can drop Harleys (third single) near the holidays and have a song on the radio through American Idol. Then her team uses American Idol + a (hopefully) well received song on the radio to announce a tour and drop a full album, at the height of her exposure to the GP. I think ST bombing wasn't in the plans, but pulling it now means rushing another song which the label might want to avoid. I mentioned this before, the label and the KP brand can push ST into an artificial hit, if they wanted to spend enough money.
2) Skip the album, drop some singles, announce a tour that starts after AI wraps up. I think this is a riskier move, personally. To sell seats (which I think KP will have no problem doing), fans want new content. They don't really want to a refreshed Witness tour with a couple new songs. I could be wrong here, but it just seems like wasted energy.
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Post by Choco on Aug 31, 2019 15:04:39 GMT -5
I don't think most of us are coming from a place of hate. I think this bombing soon is better for her in the long run than it keeping the +30s for another month and then flopping anyways, which is what all the signs point to.
And let's not act like the overall indifference to it is a Pulse thing when the song already departed the Hot 100 (even "Never Really Over" is still charting in spite of radio dropping it...) If Pulse actually had influence over the charts I think we would have used it to prevent that "I Don't Care" mess from reaching #2 and having longevity.
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Post by wjr15 on Aug 31, 2019 15:23:09 GMT -5
I don’t see Katy going on a world tour anytime soon. It seems like once Katy gets married, she’ll take some time to start a family. I remember Katy saying near the end of the Witness Tour that the constant traveling really takes a toll on her, so I could see Katy possibly doing a residency instead.
Also, I’m sure the label wants an album since singles don’t make much money these days. With a definitive album era comes all the merchandise attached to that album.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 31, 2019 22:32:16 GMT -5
Is this anywhere on iTunes or Spotify? They need to discount this badly and give it some exposure again. I’m not sure why don’t do this anymore. Does it cost that much money to discount?
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 1, 2019 6:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2019 9:05:42 GMT -5
keeping the +30s for another month and then flopping anyways 👀👀👀
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 1, 2019 9:31:41 GMT -5
Is this anywhere on iTunes or Spotify? They need to discount this badly and give it some exposure again. I’m not sure why don’t do this anymore. Does it cost that much money to discount? Its #239 on iTunes, it's not on the Spotify top 200 chart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 10:14:45 GMT -5
Please cancel this small talk and give us some roar!
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Sept 1, 2019 10:35:59 GMT -5
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