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Post by NeRD on Oct 5, 2019 19:04:30 GMT -5
She's in an interesting spot involving her music career. She'll clearly never reach the highs of TD or even Prism again but I don't think anyone expects that. Her playful pop niche was what made her a superstar, but that isn't going to work anymore. Honestly, if she comes out with another quality song like NRO, I think HAC will continue to show her love. I just think after Small Talk bombing and her now being in her mid 30s, pop radio won't be nearly as supportive as they once were.
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Post by Caviar on Oct 5, 2019 19:16:25 GMT -5
Katy is huge overseas. That’s why her YouTube views are so high. The constant discrediting of Katy is annoying.
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Post by canadadry on Oct 5, 2019 19:21:25 GMT -5
3) she seems happy, looks great and still absolutely projects « Katy Perry », that combination of loopy charm that swings from charm to cringe and then back again to charming within the same sentence. The numbers for 3 of the last four songs aren’t there, but she still pitches « pop star », big time. And her base is still huge, especially South America & Europe.I agree with everything said here, but i'm not really sure about her fanbase. I mean, she obviously has a fanbase, but compared to artists with similar levels of success in the same time as her (Rihanna, Taylor Swift, Beyoncé and Lady Gaga), her fanbase it's preety little, and this is shown by two things: the streaming numbers of her catalog and her engagement in social media. The streaming numbers her older hits pull were big on Youtube, but since Youtube seems to be decreasing in importance in music streaming each day i'm not really sure she can rely on that (who would have said during the Witness era that Katy's new songs in Spotify would get twice the streams they got in Youtube). Also, her catalog streams in Spoty are not great, and don't even come close to older hits by Beyoncé, Rihanna or even Taylor (who put back her catalog on 2017). And her engagement on social media... I have already brought up this topic on some forum, but it's really horrible. She has more followers on Youtube than people who watched ST music video. Someone should take control of all her social media. And stop promoting strange s**t on instagram because it's a mess. I really can not understand how she doesn't see the potential of social media, even if it's for selling her shoes. I think that if we want to see another Katy song on the top (or even top10) we'll have to wait for a miracle or some strange feature with an artist that's hot right now (like Xtina dd with MLJ).
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Post by canadadry on Oct 5, 2019 19:25:25 GMT -5
Oh she has a large (enough) fan base, especially in Latin America and Europe, and she is also GP friendly, and can mobilize the casuals with the right combination of song & promo.
She actually had her comeback song with NRO, but she wasted it by releasing it and immediately going away on vacation.
No matter how good the song, record co. support and artist promo is what gets it out there. She used to be so hard working: radio, TV, SNL, strong-fun social media, she had the full playbook. For NRO, aside from a bathroom performance and a staggered, messy release schedule for the videos, dust. She just bailed on geffen’s yacht and various weddings. Lazy? Fear? A little of both?
Sure Capitol seems to have deserted her, but can you blame them if their artist goes MIA upon release? Can you blame them if your artist goes on radio programs and defiantly states that she has no plans, music as she feels like it and will only release an album if there is « demand ». Who says that? Is she still interested? No wonder Capitol are standing back and watching and waiting.
And as for her social media, I agree with you that it is so poor as to be embarrassing. At least 70% of it is selling shoes, apple cider vinegar, over-posting about her dog and promoting Syn. With the exception of some American Idol posts, fun insights and interactions with her peers are few and far between and the loony/fun energy & humor that she used to have seem to have completely vanished. And her dog, while cute, maybe needs a bit of a rest. No wonder her social media engagement levels have plummeted. Easily the worst SM media game of any major pop girl.
BUT the music is there, the vocals, the showmanship, the looks, etc. .. so yes, I agree with the other poster higher up that said something is weird.
Just for fun, and to generate conversation I will speculate: I think the influence of her new agey boyfriend may play a part. He is a B level movie actor who through laziness has now found a safety net as a C level TV actor. Even Peter Jackson during the LOTR days said that his promo skills were weak and that he didn’t project when not on set (yes, he said it jokingly but still). Crashed after the big pushes that were LOTR and Pirates of the Caribbean.. His SM media is also weak, mostly scenery and repetitive motivational sayings. Nothing wrong with that, but you need richer content for engagement.
He seems as if he’s just flouncing around, taking smaller and smaller projects, just to keep busy when there are bills to pay. Ok, that’s a bit harsh (I actually found something to like in Carnaval Row ..), but there is truth to it. Maybe it’s rubbing off on his wife to-be?
Her biggest asset is herself, and if her current state of mind (IMO an combo of laziness and fear) is one of haphazard releases, with no committed support plan, then no matter how good Harley’s In Hawaii or whatever is next actually is, it will go nowhere.
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Post by NeRD on Oct 5, 2019 19:41:25 GMT -5
Katy is huge overseas. That’s why her YouTube views are so high. The constant discrediting of Katy is annoying. What are those album sales and single stats looking like there? Also, looking at her Witness Tour numbers, the attendance was pretty mediocre which was only kinda covered in her overall gross because she had so many dates
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Post by Caviar on Oct 5, 2019 19:50:00 GMT -5
Katy is huge overseas. That’s why her YouTube views are so high. The constant discrediting of Katy is annoying. What are those album sales and single stats looking like there? Also, looking at her Witness Tour numbers, the attendance was pretty mediocre which was only kinda covered in her overall gross because she had so many dates The tour must have been a success considering she hit every continent besides Antarctica. Katy’s tours are always long and drawn out but they always gross over $125M. Katy’s fan base are mostly young girls and gays and of course the GP. She will always have the highest viewed Super Bowl half time show ever! Pulse is still completely delusional about how Katy views get career right now. She has said MULTIPLE TIMES that she’s has no plan to release an album unless there’s demand. She’s focusing on her mental health and her marriage. When her career was at its highest she was miserable. The constant promo, touring, and public scrutiny took a toll on her. She is at peace with her career right now and calling her lazy is misguided.
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Post by tempo on Oct 8, 2019 5:13:15 GMT -5
There is definitely no "album". At best she has an album's worth of material that may or may not ever see the light of day. Until she is in a better place than she was with her last release, the occasional song will drop to "test the waters".
What should have happened pre-Witness and what still should happen is a feature circuit; a Major Lazer song here, a Marshmello song there. Soundtrack placements too. "365" and "Con Calma" did what they had to do and set up "Never Really Over" nicely. They weren't massive hits, but got Katy's name back out there. I feel like this is what Capitol have been attempting to do since November 2018 but their choices have largely been misfires; a bonus track on a broadway soundtrack and a song for a mobile app are not suitable forms of collaboration to reintroduce an artist to the current generation.
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Post by Juanca on Oct 8, 2019 11:27:36 GMT -5
Actually, I think they were doing a good job. Cozy little Christmas was successful considering its very limited outreach. 365 was cool and a good reintroduction with a different type of song for her. With some promo it could’ve been bigger -video was great but not enough promo to give it some extra time to grow in audiences. Con Calma was a great opportunity and showed another angle for her as well. The live performance helped but there was no video(?!) And then it was prematurely killed by NRO while it was climbing up the charts. It was positioning well for the summer!! SMH NRO could’ve also benefitted from more promo or if there was no promo maybe a lyric video and song release first, and the video several days later. It was still her biggest hit since Feels. Even Bon Appetite’s YouTube resurgence was good buzz. Small Talk was just not what needed to happen after NRO
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Oct 12, 2019 14:30:13 GMT -5
3 remixes by Sofi Tukker, White Panda, and Lost Kings were made available this week.
Sofi Tukker remix
White Panda remix
Lost Kings remix
I like the Sofi Tukker remix.
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Post by Choco on Oct 12, 2019 16:12:18 GMT -5
RE: "Con calma", the remix was not a priority for Daddy Yankee, so there was no need to do a new video when the original was smashing on Youtube and most countries already.
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Post by It's me, bitch. on Oct 17, 2019 8:18:24 GMT -5
What did this peak at on pop?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 13:04:54 GMT -5
34 or 36 I think.
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Post by Ty on Oct 17, 2019 13:14:12 GMT -5
The Sofi Tukker remix is lit.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Oct 17, 2019 14:49:44 GMT -5
I overheard two 19 year olds discussing Katy Perry at my college. One girl said that “she had her time in the sun, when I was in middle school.” And it just struck me that college students, young adults, view Katy as a relic of their yester-Years. As far as they are concerned, Katy Perry is starting to go through menopause.
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Post by MissAmericana on Oct 17, 2019 14:53:57 GMT -5
I overheard two 19 year olds discussing Katy Perry at my college. One girl said that “she had her time in the sun, when I was in middle school.” And it just struck me that college students, young adults, view Katy as a relic of their yester-Years. As far as they are concerned, Katy Perry is starting to go through menopause. Or they're just tasteless rats who would rather listen to people like Lil Shark Fingers or Lil Bean Microwave while drinking their mint lattes.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Oct 17, 2019 15:10:18 GMT -5
I overheard two 19 year olds discussing Katy Perry at my college. One girl said that “she had her time in the sun, when I was in middle school.” And it just struck me that college students, young adults, view Katy as a relic of their yester-Years. As far as they are concerned, Katy Perry is starting to go through menopause. Or they're just tasteless rats who would rather listen to people like Lil Shark Fingers or Lil Bean Microwave while drinking their mint lattes. Woah! Mint latte slam outta nowhere! Did a shamrock shake hurt you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 23:47:40 GMT -5
I overheard two 19 year olds discussing Katy Perry at my college. One girl said that “she had her time in the sun, when I was in middle school.” And it just struck me that college students, young adults, view Katy as a relic of their yester-Years. As far as they are concerned, Katy Perry is starting to go through menopause. Or they're just tasteless rats who would rather listen to people like Lil Shark Fingers or Lil Bean Microwave while drinking their mint lattes. It's funny because I said the same thing in 2012 but for my generation it was Katy Perry,Miley Cyrus etc. Why the oldies always gotta hate on the yutes😔
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Post by B****BetterGetNOSL333P on Oct 18, 2019 0:30:19 GMT -5
Can radio just switch & play "Harleys In Hawaii" instead?
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Post by MissAmericana on Oct 18, 2019 0:39:01 GMT -5
Can radio just switch & play "Harleys In Hawaii" instead? What do you mean "switch"? They barely played this.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Oct 18, 2019 0:45:23 GMT -5
I overheard two 19 year olds discussing Katy Perry at my college. One girl said that “she had her time in the sun, when I was in middle school.” And it just struck me that college students, young adults, view Katy as a relic of their yester-Years. As far as they are concerned, Katy Perry is starting to go through menopause. Katie took a HUUUUGE misstep with Witness. She went from “my best friends hot older sister” to Kate Plus 8 aesthetically and the music was just a flop all around. I loved her first three albums but couldn’t sit through that album if someone paid me. I hope she could rebound in the pop realm but she might have to take the Kelly Clarkson route and start catering to HAC/making roots in American Idol.
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Post by Choco on Oct 18, 2019 1:54:46 GMT -5
NRO did well enough. They need the right track and promo schedule.
Mariah had a comeback with the Mimi era after Glitter almost killed her career. Britney rebounded with Circus to score her biggest radio hits yet. P!nk recovered from Try This... she can do it.
But not promoting HIH to radio asap is a rookie mistake.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on Oct 18, 2019 14:05:27 GMT -5
NRO did well enough. They need the right track and promo schedule. Mariah had a comeback with the Mimi era after Glitter almost killed her career. Britney rebounded with Circus to score her biggest radio hits yet. P!nk recovered from Try This... she can do it. But not promoting HIH to radio asap is a rookie mistake. Look, anything’s possible and no disrespect...but... Mariah Carey and P!NK can actually sing well...and Britney’s Blackout was a lot more successful than Witness. It had two decent sized hit records. Witness only had one. While Spears has a myriad of vocal issues, she was 25 years old when Blackout was released. (I would argue Spears’ most difficult era was Britney which contained two failed singles, “I’m Not A Girl” and “Overprotected.” “I’m A Slave 4 U” failed to even crack the top twenty of the Hot 100.) P!NK was 24 when “Try This” was released, but two of the singles (flops they were) we’re critically acclaimed and she received Grammy nominations for “Trouble” and “Feel Good Time.” P!NK was 26 when “I’m Not Dead” began. Perry is in a much worse situation than all of these other women were. She is close in age to Carey when MIMI came out...but MIMI was Carey in her multi-octave vocal prime and was a singer huge in both black and white audiences. Perry will be 35 years old in a few days. Will “Harleys In Hawaii” help her?
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Post by Choco on Oct 18, 2019 15:06:38 GMT -5
All those eras featured changes in marketing that were key to making them so huge. I think Katy could do it too. 🤷♂️
Could. I don't think it will actually happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 22:44:22 GMT -5
I overheard two 19 year olds discussing Katy Perry at my college. One girl said that “she had her time in the sun, when I was in middle school.” And it just struck me that college students, young adults, view Katy as a relic of their yester-Years. As far as they are concerned, Katy Perry is starting to go through menopause. Or they're just tasteless rats who would rather listen to people like Lil Shark Fingers or Lil Bean Microwave while drinking their mint lattes. I am a freshman college student and can confirm, this is basically the truth It hurts having taste these days when everyone else my age is tasteless, smh :'(
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