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Post by ddlz on Jul 23, 2019 12:54:40 GMT -5
And why is that posted here? What is the relevance? Being off topic/trolling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>staying on topic and having the same Old Town Road discussion for the millionth time.  |
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Post by 85la on Jul 23, 2019 13:30:11 GMT -5
Thanks, that works even better! That's funny, other than Nowhere Man I would have guessed In My Life would have received the most airplay, it seems the most familiar from that album. That makes me wonder how other album tracks of theirs fared on these Cashbox airplay charts? Do they have archives anywhere? Go to www.americanradiohistory.com/Billboard-Magazine.htmHalf way down the page on the left are thumbnails of various Radio based magazine archives (Radio & Records, Gavin, etc). Cashbox is one of them - just click and go to the year you want. Rubber Soul was late 1965 through 1966 - Michelle listed Jan 8 (I think). Back then they had a sales based Top 100, but also airplay lists showing which songs were played by radio stations based on percentages - so not the cut & dried airplay numbered rankings we are used to these days. Great, thanks! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 13:40:46 GMT -5
So who's gonna dethrone OTR???? Lizzo |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 23, 2019 14:00:22 GMT -5
I have a question. Hypothetically... If a song were to debut at #1 the first week of August and remain there until the last tracking week of the year in November, where would that song potentially rank on the Y/E charts. Could it possibly be the #1 song of the year and surpass “OTR” or would it rank in the top three? Would it even rank in the top ten Y/E songs at all? I don’t know much about the Y/E charts formula. fhas Gary |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 23, 2019 14:04:36 GMT -5
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Post by tanooki on Jul 23, 2019 14:08:31 GMT -5
Well, that is 18 weeks at #1. If it dethrones OTR at say, 60k points and keeps that amount of points for its entire 2019 run, it'll have 1,080,000 points, which last year would've put it at #4
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Post by jebsib on Jul 23, 2019 14:10:07 GMT -5
That all depends on how strong the song is - Elton John had the #1 song of 1997 with a song that debuted in October, so depends.
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 23, 2019 14:20:18 GMT -5
That all depends on how strong the song is - Elton John had the #1 song of 1997 with a song that debuted in October, so depends. Can you explain to me how that was even possible? By the last week of the 1997 tracking year, “CITW” had only spent 8 weeks at #1. How did it surpass Braxton’s “Unbreak My Heart” which had an entire 11 weeks at #1 with 25 weeks in the top ten? Or Diddy’s “I’ll Be Missing You” which had 11 weeks at #1 with 18 weeks in the top ten? Did “CITW’s” 3M+ sales in the first weeks and 1M+ sales in the 2nd week really OBLITERATE everything else that year, points wise? |
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Post by tanooki on Jul 23, 2019 14:21:04 GMT -5
That all depends on how strong the song is - Elton John had the #1 song of 1997 with a song that debuted in October, so depends. Can you explain to me how that was even possible? By the last week of the 1997 tracking year, “CITW” had only spent 8 weeks at #1. How did it surpass Braxton’s “Unbreak My Heart” which had an entire 11 weeks at #1 with 25 weeks in the top ten? Or Diddy’s “I’ll Be Missing You” which had 11 weeks at #1 with 18 weeks in the top ten? Did “CITW’s” 3M+ sales in the first really OBLITERATE everything else that year, points wise? yes |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 23, 2019 14:26:57 GMT -5
Can you explain to me how that was even possible? By the last week of the 1997 tracking year, “CITW” had only spent 8 weeks at #1. How did it surpass Braxton’s “Unbreak My Heart” which had an entire 11 weeks at #1 with 25 weeks in the top ten? Or Diddy’s “I’ll Be Missing You” which had 11 weeks at #1 with 18 weeks in the top ten? Did “CITW’s” 3M+ sales in the first really OBLITERATE everything else that year, points wise? yes Okay... Would you mind adding some insight? Did “CITW’s” 3M+ sales equal 3M points that week or something? I just assumed that songs with longer weeks at number one and in the top ten would have weighed more, or did Billboard formulate their Y/E charts by sales points as opposed to the aforementioned? That would explain why Coolio’s “Gangsta’s Paradise” was the Y/E number one song of 1995, beating others ala. “Creep”, “Waterfalls”, “This is How We Do It” etc. even with less weeks at number one/in the top ten I presume? |
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Post by Gary on Jul 23, 2019 14:27:39 GMT -5
Huge first week points - it is theoretically possible to be the #1 song of the year with just one chart week
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 23, 2019 14:31:49 GMT -5
Huge first week points - it is theoretically possible to be the #1 song of the year with just one chart week So, why wasn’t Adele’s “Hello” the number one song of 2015?(or 2016?) Surely it’s first three weeks at number one were bigger than “Uptown Funk’s” chart run, especially with it debuting with 1M+ digital sales. No? I thought “Hello” had over 3K points in its debut week? |
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Post by fhas on Jul 23, 2019 14:32:44 GMT -5
Can you explain to me how that was even possible? By the last week of the 1997 tracking year, “CITW” had only spent 8 weeks at #1. How did it surpass Braxton’s “Unbreak My Heart” which had an entire 11 weeks at #1 with 25 weeks in the top ten? Or Diddy’s “I’ll Be Missing You” which had 11 weeks at #1 with 18 weeks in the top ten? Did “CITW’s” 3M+ sales in the first really OBLITERATE everything else that year, points wise? yes 17:1 points lead over the #2 song... This week that would've been 790,500 Hot 100 points (bad guy's ~46,500 points * 17) 790,500 Hot 100 points = 4,743,000 digital sales or 1.78 billion YouTube streams or ~1.26 billion on-demand streams or 5.53 billion audience impressions. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:39:22 GMT -5
Huge first week points - it is theoretically possible to be the #1 song of the year with just one chart week So, why wasn’t Adele’s “Hello” the number one song of 2015?(or 2016?) Surely it’s first three weeks at number one were bigger than “Uptown Funk’s” chart run, especially with it debuting with 1M+ digital sales. No? I thought “Hello” had over 3K points in its debut week? It wasn't |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 23, 2019 14:58:03 GMT -5
So, why wasn’t Adele’s “Hello” the number one song of 2015?(or 2016?) Surely it’s first three weeks at number one were bigger than “Uptown Funk’s” chart run, especially with it debuting with 1M+ digital sales. No? I thought “Hello” had over 3K points in its debut week? It wasn't No. It managed to be #35 in the Year-End with only 3 weeks charted in the 2015 Year-End Hot 100. |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 23, 2019 15:09:48 GMT -5
Gary tanooki @drakeisskinny I wish R&B airplay was included on the Hot 100 (radio) panel in 1998. What’s ironic is that “Candle in the Wind” would’ve never lasted 14 weeks at number one. Usher’s “You Make Me Wanna” would have taken over the number one spot sometime between week 8-10 and stayed there for several weeks on the strength of its airplay. Week 8. •Something About The Way You Look Tonight/Candle in the Wind: Overall Sales: 391K Overall Airplay: 33M •You Make Me Wanna: Overall Sales: 132K Overall Airplay 74M + R&B airplay at 44M = 118M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 15:14:09 GMT -5
Gary tanooki @drakeisskinny @jebsib I wish R&B airplay was included on the Hot 100 (radio) panel in 1998. What’s ironic is that “Candle in the Wind” would’ve never lasted 14 weeks at number one. Usher’s “You Make Me Wanna” would have taken over the number one spot sometime between week 8-10 and stayed there for several weeks on the strength of its airplay. Week 8. •Something About The Way You Look Tonight/Candle in the Wind: Overall Sales: 391K Overall Airplay: 33M •You Make Me Wanna: Overall Sales: 132K Overall Airplay 74M + R&B airplay at 44M = 118M Great point maybe with the rnb airplay points On break my heart could of been year end number one |
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Post by dajross6 on Jul 23, 2019 15:44:30 GMT -5
I remember an article in Billboard in 1997 from Fred Bronson (I think the year-end edition) that said CITW '97 would have been the #1 song of the year based on first week performance alone, that's how many points it tallied up front. The rest of the run was just gravy in placing it in the overall tally of songs.
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Post by chartslovergermany on Jul 23, 2019 16:27:22 GMT -5
OMG TayTay released a new song called Archer.
She's trying to save MC's Record again^^
But idk if she can,but I hope for the best :)But shouldn't she have released it on Friday instead of now because of tracking week?
And is it a promotional or a normal single ?
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 23, 2019 16:33:19 GMT -5
OMG TayTay released a new song called Archer. She's trying to save MC's Record again^^ But idk if she can,but I hope for the best :)But shouldn't she have released it on Friday instead of now because of tracking week? And is it a promotional or a normal single ? not with a mid week release promo single especially with no video |
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Post by chartslovergermany on Jul 23, 2019 16:36:27 GMT -5
OMG TayTay released a new song called Archer. She's trying to save MC's Record again^^ But idk if she can,but I hope for the best :)But shouldn't she have released it on Friday instead of now because of tracking week? And is it a promotional or a normal single ? The record is being broken this week, not next. Meaning, we're already in the 17th tracking week. exactly that's what I said but she should have released the song last Friday to block OTR potentially from making it into the 17th week🤷♂️ |
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Post by chartslovergermany on Jul 23, 2019 16:38:58 GMT -5
exactly that's what I said but she should have released the song last Friday to block OTR potentially from making it into the 17th week🤷♂️ No. haha. Doesn't matter if she releases tomorrow or Friday, the tracking period for week 17 ends on Thursday. In 2 days. not this friday,jesus😂🙈I'm talking about last Friday,because artist normally release their songs on Fridays 😂🤷♂️ |
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Post by fernando4 on Jul 23, 2019 17:23:30 GMT -5
"The Archer" wouldn't be anywhere number one, honestly. It doesn't sound like a hit.
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Post by iHype. on Jul 23, 2019 17:42:48 GMT -5
Gary tanooki @drakeisskinny I wish R&B airplay was included on the Hot 100 (radio) panel in 1998. What’s ironic is that “Candle in the Wind” would’ve never lasted 14 weeks at number one. Usher’s “You Make Me Wanna” would have taken over the number one spot sometime between week 8-10 and stayed there for several weeks on the strength of its airplay. Week 8. •Something About The Way You Look Tonight/Candle in the Wind: Overall Sales: 391K Overall Airplay: 33M •You Make Me Wanna: Overall Sales: 132K Overall Airplay 74M + R&B airplay at 44M = 118M That still wouldn't have been enough. If I'm not mistaken, it was 1K sales = 1M airplay for the formula then. That would've been 424 points for CITW, and 250 points for YMMW. One day I'll end up posting a thread on what the top 10 would've looked like throughout the 90s, had airplay-only been included earlier & R&B Airplay. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 23, 2019 18:16:56 GMT -5
The Taylor track won't even touch top 10.
OTR didn't even need the new video to take the record.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 23, 2019 18:23:27 GMT -5
"The Archer" isn't a single, just a promo release. No, it isn't going to debut high with only 2 days of tracking.
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Post by Kris on Jul 23, 2019 18:23:47 GMT -5
First day of airplay tracking: Billie Eilish - bad guy - 117.70M (+1.49) Lizzo - Truth Hurts - 87.56M (+2.78) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Senorita - 72.06M (+2.58) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road - 69.85M (-2.49) 47.85M away from Billie 17.71M away from Lizzo 2.21M away from Shawn/Camila I don't mean to be that guy but is comparing OTR's airplay relevant now? It's streams are still high enough where airplay is essentially a non issue now that bad guy's remix is tumbling. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 23, 2019 18:39:39 GMT -5
First day of airplay tracking: Billie Eilish - bad guy - 117.70M (+1.49) Lizzo - Truth Hurts - 87.56M (+2.78) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Senorita - 72.06M (+2.58) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road - 69.85M (-2.49) 47.85M away from Billie 17.71M away from Lizzo 2.21M away from Shawn/Camila I don't mean to be that guy but is comparing OTR's airplay relevant now? It's streams are still high enough where airplay is essentially a non issue now that bad guy's remix is tumbling. Not really relevant, IMO. "bad guy" is not gonna overtake OTR right now. Billie's best chance would be when both tracks start dropping if BG holds much better than OTR, but at that point something else might blast off into the top spot (Taylor's third single? Señorita? Something we haven't heard?) |
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Post by garrettlen on Jul 23, 2019 20:55:47 GMT -5
So who's gonna dethrone OTR???? Nobody next week. OTR is getting 17th weeks at #1. |
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Post by garrettlen on Jul 23, 2019 21:06:31 GMT -5
17:1 points lead over the #2 song... This week that would've been 790,500 Hot 100 points (bad guy's ~46,500 points * 17) 790,500 Hot 100 points = 4,743,000 digital sales or 1.78 billion YouTube streams or ~1.26 billion on-demand streams or 5.53 billion audience impressions. I remember that week. That was an incredible week. |
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