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Post by garrettlen on Jul 24, 2019 21:58:20 GMT -5
So I guess it’s safe to assume The Twist, Smooth, and Mack The Knife will remain the top 3 for a while then... Chubby Checker will continue to have reason to gloat. |
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Post by narp on Jul 24, 2019 22:02:00 GMT -5
So I guess it’s safe to assume The Twist, Smooth, and Mack The Knife will remain the top 3 for a while then... Chubby Checker will continue to have reason to gloat. I haven’t ever seen the points for the top 3, I’m wondering how big the gap is between them. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 24, 2019 22:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by fhas on Jul 24, 2019 22:09:52 GMT -5
So I guess it’s safe to assume The Twist, Smooth, and Mack The Knife will remain the top 3 for a while then... For a song released in 2019 to beat Smooth it would need at least: 15 weeks at #1, 24 weeks in the top 3 (all-time record is 21 weeks), 38 weeks in the top 10 (all-time record is 33 weeks) and more than 52 weeks on the Hot 100. |
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Post by Mayman on Jul 24, 2019 22:11:56 GMT -5
If this were to get enough points to chart, wouldn't this count as a separate entry? The title change and change in lyrics should make it as a separate entry from the original, correct? |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 24, 2019 22:14:25 GMT -5
If this were to get enough points to chart, wouldn't this count as a separate entry? The title change and change in lyrics should make it as a separate entry from the original, correct? I think this will count, because Ed's "Perfect" had "Perfect Duet" and "Perfect Symphony" - and Billboard counted that as a one song. |
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Post by Lukas on Jul 24, 2019 22:14:49 GMT -5
Chubby Checker will continue to have reason to gloat. I haven’t ever seen the points for the top 3, I’m wondering how big the gap is between them Here are the points for the top 3: #1: 65,000 #2: 43,333 #3: 41,667 Keep in mind that these are for the 91-12 era. For the current era the points are weighted by x0.80. |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 24, 2019 22:19:21 GMT -5
So I guess it’s safe to assume The Twist, Smooth, and Mack The Knife will remain the top 3 for a while then... For a song released in 2019 to beat Smooth it would need at least: 15 weeks at #1, 24 weeks in the top 3 (all-time record is 21 weeks), 38 weeks in the top 10 (all-time record is 33 weeks) and more than 52 weeks on the Hot 100. So, for “Old Town Road” to surpass “Smooth” it would need to spend the next 7 weeks between positions #1 & #3 and the following 21 weeks in the top ten (starting from the next tracking week)? It definitely isn’t accomplishing either of those feats. I believe especially with its airplay collapsing. Why do I get the feeling that it may spend less weeks at in the top ten than “Despacito” did once it falls from #1? |
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Post by Lukas on Jul 24, 2019 22:19:33 GMT -5
So... Is it safe to say that “Old Town Road” will be an automatic top 20 or 10 on the all-time Hot 100 now that it has become the longest running number one single ever? (Or doesn’t it work like that). No. Longevity is pretty much important. According to Tanooki's update, for the #20 on the all-time list, OTR needs like 415,000 points more - that's about 50% of OTR current points (848,000). At this moment, OTR is somewhere in the top 350. On the last year's ALL-TIME LIST, Despacito was #33 and One Sweet Day #38. You should change it to longevity in the top 10. That's what's important. There's a huge dropoff between the points for #10 and #11: #10: 28,167 #11: 12,567 |
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Post by Lukas on Jul 24, 2019 22:20:20 GMT -5
For a song released in 2019 to beat Smooth it would need at least: 15 weeks at #1, 24 weeks in the top 3 (all-time record is 21 weeks), 38 weeks in the top 10 (all-time record is 33 weeks) and more than 52 weeks on the Hot 100. So, for “Old Town Road” to surpass “Smooth” it would need to spend the next 7 weeks between positions #1 & #3 and the following 21 weeks in the top ten (starting from the next tracking week)? It definitely isn’t accomplishing either of those feats. I believe especially with its airplay collapsing. Why do I get the feeling that it may spend less weeks at number one than “Despacito” did once it falls from #1? More weeks at #1 are important though. 7 more weeks at #1 could compensate for less weeks inside the top 10 overall. |
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Post by jeiboy on Jul 24, 2019 22:33:34 GMT -5
BTS remix of Old Town Road released.
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Post by tanooki on Jul 24, 2019 23:06:51 GMT -5
So... Is it safe to say that “Old Town Road” will be an automatic top 20 or 10 on the all-time Hot 100 now that it has become the longest running number one single ever? (Or doesn’t it work like that). Someone on Discord (i forget who i apologize) made a hypothetical chart run for OTR and it was #11 all time. Its not an automatic lock for the all time list yet, it has about 200k points to go before it can crack the list proper. It will have to get another 350k points after that to crack the top 10. |
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Post by Lukas on Jul 24, 2019 23:11:25 GMT -5
So... Is it safe to say that “Old Town Road” will be an automatic top 20 or 10 on the all-time Hot 100 now that it has become the longest running number one single ever? (Or doesn’t it work like that). Someone on Discord (i forget who i apologize) made a hypothetical chart run for OTR and it was #11 all time. Its not an automatic lock for the all time list yet, it has about 200k points to go before it can crack the list proper. It will have to get another 350k points after that to crack the top 10. It was me. |
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Post by jdanton2 on Jul 24, 2019 23:20:22 GMT -5
older songs being removed after falling below #25 are going to prevent alot of songs getting high on the all time list. Uptown Funk,Shape Of You and others would be higher.
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Post by Gary on Jul 24, 2019 23:23:07 GMT -5
Songs with > 16 weeks at #1 other charts
Digital Songs
17 weeks - Despacito
Streaming Songs
None
On Demand
17 weeks Rockstar, Post Malone Featuring 21 Savage
Airplay
18 Iris, Goo Goo Dolls
Hot 100 Singles Sales
28 - What Time Is It, High School Musical 2 Cast
23 - Survivor Tree, Men In My Head
23 - Century Love, Men In My Head Featuring 50 Cent
17 - (Everything I Do) I Do It For You, Bryan Adams
Pre Hot 100
Most plays by Jockeys
17 - "Near You" by Francis Craig & His Orchestra
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Post by Lukas on Jul 24, 2019 23:23:53 GMT -5
older songs being removed after falling below #25 are going to prevent alot of songs getting high on the all time list. Uptown Funk,Shape Of You and others would be higher. Technically those songs wouldn't be that much higher on the all-time list, only about 1 or 2 spots higher. Songs only get around 5K a week at #25 and half of that at #50. Keep in mind that the 52/25 rule is the reason why Uptown Funk! is that high on the all-time list; if that rule didn't exist, the 2015-2016 tracking period would only be weighted x0.80 like 2017 and 2018. Instead, 2015/2016 got a x0.85 weight. |
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Post by Lukas on Jul 24, 2019 23:24:48 GMT -5
Songs with > 16 weeks at #1 other chartsStreaming SongsNone Streaming's about to get one next week. |
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Jul 25, 2019 1:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 25, 2019 1:32:55 GMT -5
Taylor’s third single syndrome strikes again - where do y’all see it debuting? "The Archer" is not a single. It's just a pre-release buzz track. The real third single likely isn't coming until the album drops. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 25, 2019 2:52:56 GMT -5
Honestly I cannot believe how strong Old Town Road still is, 17 weeks at #1 and still being 150 points above the #2 song. With this new K-Pop remix, it seems the song continues to be feed every week. I have no clue what is gonna topple it. It's just an absolute unit, I've never seen something like this in my time of chart watching.
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Post by Naos on Jul 25, 2019 3:29:31 GMT -5
I'm somewhat hoping this ridiculousness leads to a chart rule on the Hot 100 regarding remixes. I thought a song could just have a million remixes to help it, and here we are.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 25, 2019 4:09:56 GMT -5
It's the third-party content that needs to go. I've said before - let the YT meme compilations or whatever drive consumers toward the actual product (official YT channel uploads + streaming services). Don't let the memes be the product. Never mind that it's mind-boggling how people weren't utterly done with this s**t months ago, even more so that it's not stopping.
As for the remixes themselves, there's gaming the system and then there's this bulls**t. With every new one this clown releases he's showing more and more of his self-absorbed ass. This is not playing the chart game in good faith, it's pure ego.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 25, 2019 4:36:11 GMT -5
I'm just bored at this point lol. If y'all thought YouTube and free streaming took a hit when BB made paid streaming more important, just wait, they're gonna absolutely neuter it agree how hard OTR gamed the system.
Also there will certainly be a rule update about remixes after this lol.
Welp congrats on number 1 til Lover releases 🤷🏾♂️ or Adele/Rihanna drops a single or idek at this point.
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Post by jeiboy on Jul 25, 2019 4:36:59 GMT -5
He's just exploiting the Billboard chart algorithm and people are sucking up to it when the song found the success
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 7:44:52 GMT -5
Seoul Town Road is top 10 on iTunes
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Post by kacpi on Jul 25, 2019 8:09:48 GMT -5
As for the remixes themselves, there's gaming the system and then there's this bulls**t. With every new one this clown releases he's showing more and more of his self-absorbed ass. This is not playing the chart game in good faith, it's pure ego. Call him what you want but he's definitely not a clown when it comes to the charts. |
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Post by rfucom on Jul 25, 2019 8:12:02 GMT -5
As for the remixes themselves, there's gaming the system and then there's this bulls**t. With every new one this clown releases he's showing more and more of his self-absorbed ass. This is not playing the chart game in good faith, it's pure ego. Call him what you want but he's definitely not a clown when it comes to the charts. He's clowning the charts. Billboard better make a rule. Im agree with user memes not be counted on YT official numbers. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 25, 2019 8:16:33 GMT -5
older songs being removed after falling below #25 are going to prevent alot of songs getting high on the all time list. Uptown Funk,Shape Of You and others would be higher. Eh, but if they were allowed to continue to chart, the general chart runs of songs would be longer so the weighting would change anyway. That's the point of the weighted formula; it helps account for chart runs being longer in certain eras. |
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Post by Choco on Jul 25, 2019 9:27:45 GMT -5
I'm OK with them weighing down non-official videos whenever they adjust the formula (likely not until early 2020). It's getting ridiculous.
As for the remixes, I'm surprised he's the first to really milk them in a while. The rules give way too much freedom for artists to game the charts.
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Post by Gary on Jul 25, 2019 9:29:04 GMT -5
I see a trend being started with big hits
I think we have just seen the start of weekly remixes to juice big hits
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