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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 30, 2019 6:05:00 GMT -5
I think the fact he is gay and black absolutely should be a point of focus and conversation here. It is a monumental achievement and historic moment for the LGBTQ community. Well the record was previously set and held by black people of which one is a gay icon, so it fits. |
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Post by weaver on Jul 30, 2019 7:11:50 GMT -5
I think the fact he is gay and black absolutely should be a point of focus and conversation here. It is a monumental achievement and historic moment for the LGBTQ community. Well the record was previously set and held by black people of which one is a gay icon, so it fits. It's funny you say that. And I don't disagree. Mariah is obviously a gay icon at this point, but back then, in the pre-Butterfly days, I don't remember thinking of her as a gay icon. I'm not sure when the transition occurred. I guess when she released an album called Rainbow, with a rainbow spray painted on her ass, that pretty much sealed the deal. I was so deep in the closet in 1999 when that album came out that I had to buy the Rage Against the Machine album in the same transaction to cancel it out. |
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Post by kierz7 on Jul 30, 2019 8:09:15 GMT -5
Well the record was previously set and held by black people of which one is a gay icon, so it fits. It's funny you say that. And I don't disagree. Mariah is obviously a gay icon at this point, but back then, in the pre-Butterfly days, I don't remember thinking of her as a gay icon. I'm not sure when the transition occurred. I guess when she released an album called Rainbow, with a rainbow spray painted on her ass, that pretty much sealed the deal. I was so deep in the closet in 1999 when that album came out that I had to buy the Rage Against the Machine album in the same transaction to cancel it out. You’re right. I would say Mariah Carey began transitioning into a Gay icon during the ‘Butterfly’ & ‘Rainbow’ eras; the ‘Glitter’ era also propelled that. Her image slowly transformed into that of a sensuous, hyper-glamorous, sex-kitten which, of course, did wonders for her popularity; her music was still ‘urban-oriented’ enough to keep straight men interested (especially when she began collaborating with rappers ala. Jay-Z; Da Brat; Ludacris etc.) but she was still extremely ‘campy’ in personality to keep Gay men infatuated also. I remember frequenting several Gay forums around that time and Carey was extremely popular, especially with the Gay youth. I remember a lot of them stating that songs ala. ‘Butterfly’, ‘Can’t Take That Away’ helped them in their “coming-out” process around that time (and of course ‘Hero’ had been adopted as a Gay anthem of sorts too). It was beautiful. I was a young teen myself and she definitely inspired me. Also, the 90’s were a time when Gay men were obsessed with other vocal divas ala. Whitney Houston and Celine Dion. Neither adopted the image that Carey did, but they were still adored by the Gay community. I went to Celine Dion’s “Let’s Talk About Love” tour in the summer of 1999, it was during the same time when President Bill Clinton declares June to be “Pride month” and the audience was literally comprised of just women and Gay men. Dion even more a a rainbow flag as a cape during segments of her show. Whitney Houston had Gay fans everywhere also, starting from as far back as the 1980’s and so did Janet Jackson, especially Black Gay fans. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 30, 2019 8:19:26 GMT -5
kierz7 Mariah was a vocal diva even before the Butterfly album, so she would already have that following. Her popularity peak was definitely 1995-96 during the 90s decade as well.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 30, 2019 9:59:17 GMT -5
First day of airplay tracking:
Billie Eilish - bad guy - 121.76M (+0.47)
Lizzo - Truth Hurts - 102.20M (+1.87)
Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Senorita - 92.15 (+3.10)
Lil Nas X - Old Town Road - 62.15M (-0.84)
59.61M away from Billie
40.05M away from Lizzo
30M away from Shawn/Camila
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Post by spicymapping on Jul 30, 2019 10:02:28 GMT -5
Hot Shower is pulling pretty comparable stats to Wish Wish/Higher (though slightly worse). Anyone else see it debuting top 25?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 30, 2019 11:45:11 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/07/3
1(=) Khalid - Talk 177.90(+0.89)
2(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 156.89(-0.20)
3(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 137.93(-0.74)
4(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 121.76(+0.47)
5(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 120.34(+0.28)
6(=) Panic! At the Disco - Hey Look Ma, I Made It 115.39(+0.15)
7(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 102.20(+1.87)
8(+1) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 92.15(+3.10)
9(-1) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 91.20(-0.49)
10(=) Dan + Shay - Speechless 69.40(+0.92)
12(+2) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 63.82(+1.19)
17(=) Luke Combs - Beer Never Broke My Heart 59.24(+0.92) 22(=) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 54.71(+1.36)
23(+1) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 53.07(+0.83)
24(+1) Jason Aldean - Rearview Town 52.92(+0.86)
27(+2) Justin Moore - The Ones That Didn’t Make It Back Home 51.10(+1.07) 30(+1) DJ Khaled - Just Us (feat. SZA) 49.77(+2.19)
41(=) Ed Sheeran - Beautiful People (feat. Khalid) 35.86(+0.86)
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Post by nekotuo on Jul 30, 2019 12:13:27 GMT -5
damn i didnt realize "talk" had this much audience on radio!
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Post by moonlite on Jul 30, 2019 13:19:53 GMT -5
Hot Shower is pulling pretty comparable stats to Wish Wish/Higher (though slightly worse). Anyone else see it debuting top 25? I don't see it debuting top 30. It's on demand is great, but its sales are weak and it's doing nothing on YouTube. Wish Wish and Higher both had music vids and sold a lot first week. |
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Post by dynamac on Jul 30, 2019 14:55:08 GMT -5
With Chance now crediting the features on Spotify, there’s a chance that Death Cab for Cutie could notch their first Hot 100 hit since 2008 if Do You Remember holds up
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Post by Kris on Jul 30, 2019 16:56:45 GMT -5
OTR got a massive sales boost from week 17, I wonder how it's streaming is doing?
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Post by fhas on Jul 30, 2019 17:19:07 GMT -5
OTR got a massive sales boost from week 17, I wonder how it's streaming is doing? The official video is gaining 30-40% compared to last Tuesday. I don't know what happened on Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon, but it's like the original version was removed. It was #78 on Spotify last week, but since Friday it disappeared from the Spotify Charts. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 31, 2019 8:06:02 GMT -5
Second day of airplay tracking:
Billie Eilish - bad guy - 122.27M (+0.51)
Lizzo - Truth Hurts - 103.22M (+1.03)
Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Senorita - 95.60M (+3.10)
Lil Nas X - Old Town Road - 62.07M (-0.08)
60.20M away from Billie
41.15M away from Lizzo
33.53M away from Shawn/Camila
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 31, 2019 8:51:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Senorita will be #1 after the VMAs.
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Post by spicymapping on Jul 31, 2019 9:01:55 GMT -5
Both of of our recurrency dodgers are losing radio, can we get an f in the chat for our bois.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 31, 2019 9:02:58 GMT -5
"No Guidance" is going to have some nice streaming numbers this week. The video's been doing great.
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Jul 31, 2019 10:04:48 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/07/3
1(=) Khalid - Talk 177.90(+0.89)
2(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 156.89(-0.20)
3(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 137.93(-0.74)
4(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 121.76(+0.47)
5(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 120.34(+0.28)
6(=) Panic! At the Disco - Hey Look Ma, I Made It 115.39(+0.15)
7(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 102.20(+1.87)
8(+1) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 92.15(+3.10)
9(-1) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 91.20(-0.49)
10(=) Dan + Shay - Speechless 69.40(+0.92)
12(+2) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 63.82(+1.19)
17(=) Luke Combs - Beer Never Broke My Heart 59.24(+0.92) 22(=) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 54.71(+1.36)
23(+1) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 53.07(+0.83)
24(+1) Jason Aldean - Rearview Town 52.92(+0.86)
27(+2) Justin Moore - The Ones That Didn’t Make It Back Home 51.10(+1.07) 30(+1) DJ Khaled - Just Us (feat. SZA) 49.77(+2.19)
41(=) Ed Sheeran - Beautiful People (feat. Khalid) 35.86(+0.86)
Dan + Shay could get a new peak on Hot 100? |
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Jul 31, 2019 10:07:00 GMT -5
i know this is gonna affect 8/17 but Is she going to have a third number one single after 18 weeks of OTR? |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 31, 2019 10:27:41 GMT -5
"No Guidance" is going to have some nice streaming numbers this week. The video's been doing great. Yeah, I think top 5 is guaranteed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 10:40:00 GMT -5
Why is bad guy still gaining on radio? Stop playing that trash.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jul 31, 2019 10:48:41 GMT -5
Looks like the news coverage of OTR17 has given it a boost on streaming, sales and significantly slowed the erosion at radio (-0.08) compared to the 1MM-2MM daily losses during past two weeks.
So will OTR actually increase its 1.2 lead over #2 in its 18th week???
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 31, 2019 10:57:20 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/07/31
1(=) Khalid - Talk 178.14(+0.24)
2(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 157.17(+0.28)
3(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 137.56( -0.37)
4(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 122.27(+0.51)
5(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 120.09(-0.25)
6(=) Panic! At the Disco - Hey Look Ma, I Made It 115.49(+0.10)
7(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 103.22(+1.03)
8(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 95.60(+3.45)
9(=) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 91.29(+0.09)
10(=) Dan + Shay - Speechless 69.71(+0.31)
12(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 64.69(+0.87)
16(+1) Luke Combs - Beer Never Broke My Heart 60.37(+1.13) 20(+2) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 55.86(+1.15) 22(+2) Jason Aldean - Rearview Town 53.89( +0.96) 25(+2) Justin Moore - The Ones That Didn’t Make It Back Home 51.90(+0.80)
39(+1) Drake - Money In The Grave (feat. Rick Ross) 38.25(+1.22)
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jul 31, 2019 11:04:31 GMT -5
denverd- it very well may. The streaming performance alone probably makes up for the airplay differences, and then throw in sales, where the four versions are currently ranked 1, 11, 50 and 67 on iTunes.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 31, 2019 11:09:41 GMT -5
Dan + Shay could get a new peak on Hot 100? Probably not, even with the new peak in Radio Songs. Earlier in its chart run it probably had better digital sales and streaming. |
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Post by chartfreak on Jul 31, 2019 11:41:23 GMT -5
Crazy to think OTR may be stronger in its 18th week than 17!!
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Post by weaver on Jul 31, 2019 12:10:10 GMT -5
Crazy to think OTR may be stronger in its 18th week than 17!! I don't get how people are not tired of this song! I mean... |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 31, 2019 12:38:40 GMT -5
^It's getting a boost from the news it set the record at 17 weeks at #1 in Hot 100.
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Jul 31, 2019 13:17:21 GMT -5
So 20 weeks might actually be in the cards lol
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Post by deepston on Jul 31, 2019 13:25:18 GMT -5
Can Ariana debut at #1? OTR has about 500 points for this week.
With how many points did tu,n and 7 rings debut?
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Just did the homework:
7 rings - around 580 points
TUN - 443 without a full week, around 400 after one full tracking week
BUWYGIM - around 420
I'd say debuting at #1 is achievable if the song is good.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 31, 2019 13:37:41 GMT -5
The sales boost is winding down already, so will streaming.
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