Billboard Hot 100: 8/10/19

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

How is the mention of skin colour even offensive? Was it derogatory?

[whales10268]

Jul 29, 2019 7:33:23 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

How is the mention of skin colour even offensive? Was it derogatory?

The poster was trying to invalidate the other persons post based on the fact they’re white. It can be quite irksome.

[jenglisbe]

Jul 29, 2019 7:33:23 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

How is the mention of skin colour even offensive? Was it derogatory?

In this context, yes; here is the post. I don't know enough about the general conversation and what they know of one another to make a real judgment, but if that comment was made out of ignorance then it could be problematic.

[kierz7]

Jul 29, 2019 0:18:12 GMT -5 kimberly said:

Jul 28, 2019 23:49:38 GMT -5 85la said:

Same applies here, especially because white gays keep appropriating African-American vernacular and black gay culture everyday, but would rather see Taylor Swift's gay-baiting single on top than an actual black gay person.

I see NOTHING but absolute, undisputed FACTS!

Whew, Chile.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

In the case of a rap song by a black gay man, I think it being diminished by white people can be attributed to cultural background that are based on skin colour. To a white person who rarely has to face repercussions on the basis of their skin, it can be a shock to find out that most things in culture and society are directly impacted by skin colour.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

God there is so much blissful ignorance in this thread

[weaver]

Good God this thread is a mess...how can a discussion about whether or not OTR is a gay anthem devolve into white privilege, cultural appropriation, etc? The song is way too...basic to even warrant such a discussion. Welcome to Pulse.

[kingvavis]

Old Town Road is a song...

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 29, 2019 8:14:44 GMT -5 kingvavis said:

Old Town Road is a song...

...and?

[jenglisbe]

Jul 29, 2019 8:09:33 GMT -5 weaver said:

Good God this thread is a mess...how can a discussion about whether or not OTR is a gay anthem devolve into white privilege, cultural appropriation, etc? The song is way too...basic to even warrant such a discussion. Welcome to Pulse.

Yes the thread is a mess, but I still think it's easy to see how this discussion could happen. The Hot 100 record is being broken by an openly gay black male. Sad it has to be this way, but in and of itself that's actually a pretty big cultural moment and some conversation extending from it seems natural enough to me.

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[weaver]

Jul 29, 2019 8:21:02 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jul 29, 2019 8:09:33 GMT -5 weaver said:

Good God this thread is a mess...how can a discussion about whether or not OTR is a gay anthem devolve into white privilege, cultural appropriation, etc? The song is way too...basic to even warrant such a discussion. Welcome to Pulse.

Yes the thread is a mess, but I still think it's easy to see how this discussion could happen. The Hot 100 record is being broken by an openly gay black male. Sad it has to be this way, but in and of itself that's actually a pretty big cultural moment and some conversation extending from it seems natural enough to me.

Hey I think it's awesome that if the record was going to be broken it is by a gay black man. I just think we are getting a little ridiculous regarding the direction of the discussion. I'm willing to bet a large swath of the general public has not actively read anything about Lil Nas X and has no clue he's gay. That's just my gut though, I have no real evidence of that. I guess where this thread went is a bit reflective of where we are as a nation, sadly.

[Gary]

So Lil Nas X is a black gay man - OK I get it but...

A few weeks back Lil Nas X responded to comments about this song being tied to  his sexual orientation, his response:


“old town road is literally about horses.”

[Kris]

Remember when this forum was about music lol

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 29, 2019 9:18:47 GMT -5 Kris said:

Remember when this forum was about music lol

Sucks when there are people behind the music huh

[jenglisbe]

Jul 29, 2019 9:17:49 GMT -5 Gary said:

So Lil Nas X is a black gay man - OK I get it but...

A few weeks back Lil Nas X responded to comments about this song being tied to  his sexual orientation, his response:


“old town road is literally about horses.”

I don't think anyone has said the song itself is about being gay? Hell, Cher's "Believe" is known as a 'gay anthem' but it's not about being gay so I don't even get your point. The real point is that for many people who aren't used to seeing people like them represented in popular culture (and a gay black male would qualify here) this is a big deal. Why can't we just be happy with that and leave it at that?

[Deleted]

Anybody out here to clean up this mess...?

[cassiuscasanova]

*stares in being in Lil Nas X's corner*

[wavey.]

Can we just not overthink shit, and enjoy that there is a new record being broken. Yes, he's black, and gay, but that's NOT the focus here.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

I think the fact he is gay and black absolutely should be a point of focus and conversation here. It is a monumental achievement and historic moment for the LGBTQ community. I don't think he gets the respect he deserves, all things considered. This is a man who, unlike nearly every other openly LGBTQ artist, came out at the height of his career/popularity, while he was still #1 and he most certainly didn't have to. He climbed one rung of respect with me for that. Add to that he is a black gay male whose music caters heavily to urban/rhythmic audiences and he climbs yet another rung of respect. He literally put his entire career and future on the line to live his truth and THAT is beyond commendable. For a community that doesn't have a ton of mainstream representation, whether or not the song is LGBTQ-centric, him and this record does nothing but help the cause. Frank Ocean and Lil Nas X are going to inspire god knows how many young, black (and other), gay males to live and speak their truth in their music and artistry and if they remain successful may inspire labels and the like to sign more LGBTQ artists going forward. All the articles written on breaking the record and the fact that he is the first LGBTQ person to do so will be written, read, and eventually lives will be changed as a result. Like it or not, this is a moment. No matter how you feel about the song.

[aznsinger]

Yup he is going to go down in history as a monumental LGBTQ+ Black artist that bent music genres and will pave the way for young black men to live their truths. It would be great if we left this topic on that positive note and move on from ‘debating’ on this issue when in reality it’s honestly just the truth. Lil Nas X, one hit wonder or not (panini is already doing amazing) will break the record and will go down in history as an important artist.

[Deleted]

i know this is gonna affect 8/17 but

[Deleted]

Ariana Grande - boyfriend (August 2nd)

[Deleted]

Billy deserves some credit too because people sought the version with him way more than the original. I'm happy to see an old liberal country artist achieving this record along with LNX.

[chartfreak]

Streaming Sunflower now to help it break the record!

[kcdawg13]

Jul 29, 2019 14:59:14 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Streaming Sunflower now to help it break the record!

I rewatched Spider-Verse last week and I've been streaming the track non-stop since then. I cannot get enough of this damn song.

[85la]

Jul 29, 2019 7:32:43 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jul 28, 2019 23:49:38 GMT -5 85la said:

And here is the thing about the article not saying it was a gay anthem: first of all I will admit that I didn't read the article but THAT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL, and you know why? Because the title says it was a gay anthem! (not in those exact words, but the phrase "gay-pride-celebrating" is pretty much synonymous with "gay anthem"). So if those of you who have read the article are saying it didn't say OTR is a gay anthem, why would the title say so? It's inconsistent and sounds like very poor editing on the part of the author/newspaper editor! And as someone said earlier, I would also have to question how involved the author is with the gay/LGBTQ community and how qualified he would be to gauge something like this.

Surely you are aware of 'clickbait' and the like. I don't like the trend, but it's definitely a thing for headlines to be misrepresentative as ultimately they just want people to click on the article for advertising sake.

Yep, I definitely am aware of clickbait. That's a good point you bring up that I didn't think of right away. But whether it's clickbait, poor editing or whatnot... it's still misleading and not justified.

[85la]

Hey the mods or kierz7 need to help me with something, because in one of Kierz7's posts (Reply #124 on Page 5), in which he was quoting a previous conversation between me and other posters, it appears to show that I said something that I did not, it was one of the other posters who said it (the comment that begins "Same applies here, especially because..."). I'm not sure if this was done intentionally or was some glitch where it mixed the quotes up, but it needs to be edited because something is attributed to me which I did not say. I tried to quote the post itself but it didn't work, because in the preview it did the same thing where it mixed up my comment with the other posters (which is what leads me to believe it might be just a glitch).

[Kris]

Jul 29, 2019 16:35:35 GMT -5 85la said:

Hey the mods or kierz7 need to help me with something, because in one of Kierz7's posts (Reply #124 on Page 5), in which he was quoting a previous conversation between me and other posters, it appears to show that I said something that I did not, it was one of the other posters who said it (the comment that begins "Same applies here, especially because..."). I'm not sure if this was done intentionally or was some glitch where it mixed the quotes up, but it needs to be edited because something is attributed to me which I did not say. I tried to quote the post itself but it didn't work, because in the preview it did the same thing where it mixed up my comment with the other posters (which is what leads me to believe it might be just a glitch).

It's just a mistake that happens when you try to edit quoted posts sometimes, if you edit the words but don't remove the quote header from first quote in the string. 

Even if someone did think you said something you didn't all they would have to do is check your original post. Nothing to worry about really. 

[85la]

Jul 29, 2019 18:45:00 GMT -5 Kris said:

Jul 29, 2019 16:35:35 GMT -5 85la said:

Hey the mods or kierz7 need to help me with something, because in one of Kierz7's posts (Reply #124 on Page 5), in which he was quoting a previous conversation between me and other posters, it appears to show that I said something that I did not, it was one of the other posters who said it (the comment that begins "Same applies here, especially because..."). I'm not sure if this was done intentionally or was some glitch where it mixed the quotes up, but it needs to be edited because something is attributed to me which I did not say. I tried to quote the post itself but it didn't work, because in the preview it did the same thing where it mixed up my comment with the other posters (which is what leads me to believe it might be just a glitch).

It's just a mistake that happens when you try to edit quoted posts sometimes, if you edit the words but don't remove the quote header from first quote in the string. 

Even if someone did think you said something you didn't all they would have to do is check your original post. Nothing to worry about really. 

Well, thanks for the encouragement, but I'm still not quite sure... Some people might not bother to check the original posts.