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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jul 20, 2023 6:48:01 GMT -5
Also let's not act like Youtube is suddenly gonna give this 150M views. Anti Hero is at 148m after 8 months lol. It's a declining platform for music, people have moved on to Spotify and Apple. I'd love a video but unless it ignites social media, like, say LWYMMD did, it won't help that much aside from a one week boost (and youtube plays help way less than paid streams) AH video definitely hampered by the cringeworthy *comedy* break. I always play the official lyric video, which has 20MM+ views. They really should cut the skit out at this point. I’m torn about a CS video. I think after 4 years, many of us have our own visual of the song. At the same time, I can’t think of a single Taylor promoted single that doesn’t have a video. I’m pretty sure all her Top 20 H100 official releases - excl. promos or album bomb tracks - have had videos, so this would be an outlier. Just please no concert video!
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Post by Philippe on Jul 20, 2023 7:54:08 GMT -5
Even comparing her right now to the heights of recent pop stars like Adele, Gaga and Katy Perry, I genuinely feel that Taylor, in this precise moment, in an overall sense, has surpassed them as far as career peaks are concerned. Taylor outpeaked all three of them long long long ago. The only time Gaga was bigger than Taylor was for a few months in 2009. Adele was never a superstar public figure, her main notoriety was selling a gazillion albums. Katy was a big star and her Teenage Dream peak was major, but in the end she was a radio hit girl and the public dropped like a hot potato as soon as the hits stopped coming. She never commanded an ounce of Taylor’s impact or power. I disagree. No one will ever reach the level of success Adele had during 21/25. The facts speak for themselves. That being said, I agree that Taylor’s success in different and what is really impressive is her longevity and the amount/quantity of music she releases and the success she has with each release.
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Post by divasummer on Jul 20, 2023 8:53:58 GMT -5
It’s to hard now a days to compare chart achievements that many here have said. I always wished as a kid that something could have been tracked with how many times an album/cd etc was actually played as well as sold. There were plenty of albums I purchased that I only played one or two songs and there were others that I played 5-10 of them. Taylor however is selling out stadiums which not all pop stars can do. I’m not dissing Mimi or Whitney they are two of my favorites, but they probably couldn’t have done stadium tours during their peaks. Well maybe Whitney. She toured a lot during her peaks and did multiple dates. When Taylor puts out a new song etc it makes National news that says a lot that she’s interesting to the general public even if they don’t buy or stream her music all the time. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I do think she’ll be up there with the Madonna, Whitney, Michael’s of the industry. She’s not my favorite. I like her though. Everything has changed now a days. You can basically listen to whatever you want for 9.99 a month so who knows what people would actually buy if they had to spend 10 bucks or more for one album?? However Taylor sells massive amounts of tickets and still sells a decent amount of albums and I’m not talking about the different versions etc. Some of her older albums are still selling 10 thousand plus albums a week. About Cher she had one hit off of “Believe”. Perhaps if streaming was a thing she would of had more, but unfortunately radio had most of the power back then…
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Post by MissAmericana on Jul 20, 2023 10:57:32 GMT -5
This’ll be #1 on Pop in a week. I wonder if she has a push for #1 on the Hot 100 in store?
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Post by Choco on Jul 20, 2023 11:16:26 GMT -5
I'd say Gaga and Adele had bigger peaks but Taylor has sustained her huge numbers for far longer than either of them, which is why overall she'll end up outselling both.
Katy had a huge era with TD but I would rank that below 1989 in terms of how crazy the media was for Taylor vs the overall more chill behaviour they had towards Katy.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 20, 2023 11:19:28 GMT -5
I'd say Gaga and Adele had bigger peaks but Taylor has sustained her huge numbers for far longer than either of them, which is why overall she'll end up outselling both. She's already outsold both domestically, no? Unsure about WW, but it wouldn't surprise me there either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 11:23:46 GMT -5
Did Gaga or Adele ever sell over 50m albums SPS across two years? I don't think so.
Anyways, i'd say Red + 1989 was already on par with TF+TFM. This is just a whole other level
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 11:26:19 GMT -5
I'd say Gaga and Adele had bigger peaks but Taylor has sustained her huge numbers for far longer than either of them, which is why overall she'll end up outselling both. She's already outsold both domestically, no? Unsure about WW, but it wouldn't surprise me there either. That happened a long time ago
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Post by bat1990 on Jul 20, 2023 11:36:43 GMT -5
Damn!! This could be less than 1,000 spins behind "Sure Thing" by the published update!
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Post by musiclife on Jul 20, 2023 11:46:43 GMT -5
This’ll be #1 on Pop in a week. I wonder if she has a push for #1 on the Hot 100 in store? I don't think so. If they didn't give a full push to Karma I don't see a full push for this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 11:54:09 GMT -5
This’ll be #1 on Pop in a week. I wonder if she has a push for #1 on the Hot 100 in store? I don't think so. If they didn't give a full push to Karma I don't see a full push for this one. Karma Remix got a full push. The GP just said no!
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 20, 2023 12:10:25 GMT -5
I don't think so. If they didn't give a full push to Karma I don't see a full push for this one. Karma Remix got a full push. The GP just said no! Lol Karma got a remix and a MV. They could have done vinyl singles and dance remixes if they really wanted to “go for it” but they didn’t seem fully invested. It very much felt half-assed and just thrown out there. Hopefully they don’t make the mistake with Cruel Summer, it deserves to be the sole #1 single from Lover
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Post by avamaxstan on Jul 20, 2023 12:39:09 GMT -5
The people in here saying Taylor hasn’t outpeaked Lady GaGa ☠️☠️☠️ It’s too early in the day for that kind of humor.
Adele’s sales peak will probably never be topped, but her stature in pop culture never matched her commercial success.
IMO Britney’s cultural peak is the only one that rivals or surpasses Taylor’s.
Back OT: so Cruel Summer could replace Karma at #1 next week??
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Post by divasummer on Jul 20, 2023 12:39:44 GMT -5
Karma Remix got a full push. The GP just said no! Lol Karma got a remix and a MV. They could have done vinyl singles and dance remixes if they really wanted to “go for it” but they didn’t seem fully invested. It very much felt half-assed and just thrown out there. Hopefully they don’t make the mistake with Cruel Summer, it deserves to be the sole #1 single from Lover I would say a full push to num.1 on Billboard and a full push for the unknowing population to buy an album/stream/ purchase a single as kind of two different things in a way. The general public that may not of really heard “Karma” aren’t caring about a vinyl or cassette or autographed single. I would say full out promo would be performances on tv shows or online, dance mixes, hopeful song placement and interviews on news/entertainment shows etc along with sucking money out of the fans with vinyls/cassette and cd singles as a FULL push. “Karma” got a push for sure, but it wasn’t a huge push.
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Post by MissAmericana on Jul 20, 2023 12:56:04 GMT -5
Karma Remix got a full push. The GP just said no! Lol Karma got a remix and a MV. They could have done vinyl singles and dance remixes if they really wanted to “go for it” but they didn’t seem fully invested. I do think the remix rollout was botched, but her team likely believed the remix would be enough to get it to #1. It’s not easy to get dance remixes and a vinyl prepared in two/three days once those initial numbers come in. Plus, the remix was bleeding streams so heavily throughout the week that some predictors had it at #4, the fact that it even got that #2 peak was a blessing in it of itself.
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Post by Maximillian on Jul 20, 2023 13:41:09 GMT -5
The people in here saying Taylor hasn’t outpeaked Lady GaGa ☠️☠️☠️ It’s too early in the day for that kind of humor. Adele’s sales peak will probably never be topped, but her stature in pop culture never matched her commercial success. IMO Britney’s cultural peak is the only one that rivals or surpasses Taylor’s. Back OT: so Cruel Summer could replace Karma at #1 next week?? Success can be measured in numbers, but success is also measured with cultural impact and that’s just harder to measure sometimes. We can all agree though, all these ladies have cemented their legacies. RiRi, Beyoncé, Katy, GaGa, Britney, Madonna, Cher, etc. Uniquely, I’ll throw in Stevie Nicks for good measure too! Taylor will be huge now, and while her success will change over the next decade (just like it has the last 15 years), she will never truly fall from grace with the career she’s had. She will always exist on a level that will inspire generations to come, and we love to see it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 14:52:06 GMT -5
Taylor has one of the most culturally significant peaks for any artist ever and she has the insane numbers to back it up
No smokes and mirrors here
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Post by Ace on Jul 20, 2023 15:05:54 GMT -5
Uniquely, I’ll throw in Stevie Nicks for good measure too! Only because she performed with Taylor on the 2010 Grammys.
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Post by Maximillian on Jul 20, 2023 16:27:11 GMT -5
Uniquely, I’ll throw in Stevie Nicks for good measure too! Only because she performed with Taylor on the 2010 Grammys. Haha, or because her discography (mostly made almost 50 years ago) still sells millions of albums annually.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 20, 2023 16:35:31 GMT -5
Only because she performed with Taylor on the 2010 Grammys. Haha, or because her discography (mostly made almost 50 years ago) still sells millions of albums annually. No, I'm pretty sure it's solely because she performed with Taylor once. That's how this works, you perform with Taylor Swift you become certified iconic. Just ask B.o.B.
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Post by Maximillian on Jul 20, 2023 16:42:07 GMT -5
Haha, or because her discography (mostly made almost 50 years ago) still sells millions of albums annually. No, I'm pretty sure it's solely because she performed with Taylor once. That's how this works, you perform with Taylor Swift you become certified iconic. Just ask B.o.B. Great news then for Ice Spice!
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 20, 2023 20:40:43 GMT -5
The people in here saying Taylor hasn’t outpeaked Lady GaGa ☠️☠️☠️ It’s too early in the day for that kind of humor. Adele’s sales peak will probably never be topped, but her stature in pop culture never matched her commercial success. IMO Britney’s cultural peak is the only one that rivals or surpasses Taylor’s. Back OT: so Cruel Summer could replace Karma at #1 next week?? Success can be measured in numbers, but success is also measured with cultural impact and that’s just harder to measure sometimes. We can all agree though, all these ladies have cemented their legacies. RiRi, Beyoncé, Katy, GaGa, Britney, Madonna, Cher, etc. Uniquely, I’ll throw in Stevie Nicks for good measure too! Taylor will be huge now, and while her success will change over the next decade (just like it has the last 15 years), she will never truly fall from grace with the career she’s had. She will always exist on a level that will inspire generations to come, and we love to see it! I feel like Katy sticks out like a sore thumb in that list.
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Post by musiclife on Jul 20, 2023 20:54:58 GMT -5
Karma Remix got a full push. The GP just said no! Lol Karma got a remix and a MV. They could have done vinyl singles and dance remixes if they really wanted to “go for it” but they didn’t seem fully invested. It very much felt half-assed and just thrown out there. Hopefully they don’t make the mistake with Cruel Summer, it deserves to be the sole #1 single from Lover That's the point I was trying to make. Karma was very close to #1 and they just didn't give it the extra push.
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Post by Choco on Jul 21, 2023 1:16:33 GMT -5
Karma wasn't that close, and unless they had a few dance remixes on the vault there was nothing else to do, especially after streaming collapsed for the remix.
I don't see why Karma is thought of as some sort of miss though? She got a long lasting top 10 hit, #2 peak and #1 on Pop with a third single in 2023 from an album that has moved 5M units... where's the failure?
Not to mention one of her worst songs being able to do that is impressive.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 21, 2023 1:36:23 GMT -5
Karma wasn't that close, and unless they had a few dance remixes on the vault there was nothing else to do, especially after streaming collapsed for the remix. I don't see why Karma is thought of as some sort of miss though? She got a long lasting top 10 hit, #2 peak and #1 on Pop with a third single in 2023 from an album that has moved 5M units... where's the failure? Not to mention one of her worst songs being able to do that is impressive. If you ain’t first you’re last 😎 Expectations for Taylor are always going to be higher because… she’s Taylor, the “Music Industry”.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 21, 2023 5:44:31 GMT -5
Far as I can tell, there's only one person that thinks 'Karma' has been a miss, and that person comes off as an idiot with the beating of their particular dead horse.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 21, 2023 5:53:21 GMT -5
Top 30 on AC.
POP: 9 4 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 13277 9543 3734 42.904
+506 Spins -1 Bullet +1.249 Audience
HOT AC: 17 11 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 2679 1916 763 10.974
+97 Spins -19 Bullet +0.238 Audience
AC: 125 28 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 56 2 54 0.305
+10 Spins +10 Bullet +0.050 Audience
Road to #1: 2274 spins from #1, "Calm Down" (+517) 1997 spins from #2, "Karma" (+642) 1549 spins from #3, "Sure Thing" (+640)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 8:02:24 GMT -5
Karma wasn't that close, and unless they had a few dance remixes on the vault there was nothing else to do, especially after streaming collapsed for the remix. I don't see why Karma is thought of as some sort of miss though? She got a long lasting top 10 hit, #2 peak and #1 on Pop with a third single in 2023 from an album that has moved 5M units... where's the failure? Not to mention one of her worst songs being able to do that is impressive. If you ain’t first you’re last 😎 Expectations for Taylor are always going to be higher because… she’s Taylor, the “Music Industry”. Expectations you personally placed on her. Anyways, it's funny how that user posted here that Karma was a long lasting top 10 hit and in another one posted that it came and went
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Post by sheerio on Jul 21, 2023 13:59:01 GMT -5
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 21, 2023 14:06:12 GMT -5
Honestly, a tour video for this would be great for those of us that don't have the resources to see the tour. A regular music video would obviously have the potential to be epic as her video catalog is one of the best, but I'll take that over nothing.
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