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Post by livelikedying111 on Jul 30, 2023 6:17:57 GMT -5
What is her plan with this? it'd be a shame to let this peak at #8 on the Hot 100.. Honestly was expecting more from her. Don't fail this song twice.. sheesh.
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Post by deepston on Jul 30, 2023 7:54:51 GMT -5
What is her plan with this? it'd be a shame to let this peak at #8 on the Hot 100.. Honestly was expecting more from her. Don't fail this song twice.. sheesh. Iβm 99% positive she has a MV planned (even if itβs a tour video) and some gimmicks for when this is peaking on radio.
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Post by theflying on Jul 30, 2023 8:19:24 GMT -5
Isnβt Loverβs X-year anniversary in like a week or so? Maybe then.
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Post by jja2389 on Jul 30, 2023 8:34:49 GMT -5
Lovers 4 year anniversary is 08/23, donβt think cruel summer will last long enough for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 8:37:52 GMT -5
Lovers 4 year anniversary is 08/23, donβt think cruel summer will last long enough for that. Where is it going?
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2023 8:44:45 GMT -5
Am I seriously the only person who'd rather this song do everything it can on its own and be a proven smash hit with an entire run that reflects that rather than have it peak at #1 on the Hot 100 for one week with ridiculous chart gaming tactics? I mean, the majority of #1s now are all like that anyway, so the title is incredibly diluted these days that a peak of #8 seems more impressive to me. Especially considering the song is 4 years old. Lovers 4 year anniversary is 08/23, donβt think cruel summer will last long enough for that. Where is it going? Obviously it's going to be off the charts entirely in *checks notes* 3 and a half weeks. Can't you tell with how it's *checks notes again* pulling in consistently high streaming numbers week to week and still gaining on radio? No way this song will make it another *does math* 25 days! Edit: On a personal note, I'm mad that this bit made me calculate how close I am to turning 29. BRB gonna go cry.
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Post by Future Captain on Jul 30, 2023 8:58:09 GMT -5
Lovers 4 year anniversary is 08/23, donβt think cruel summer will last long enough for that. yeah no. its literally the only thing in the top 5 that isnt losing spins and Vampire, the only thing that might threaten it in the near future is still 6000 spins away. This is probably gonna be #1 in Pop until September and still a few weeks away from coming anywhere close to peaking in HAC. If anything, giving the big push during Lover's anniversary will probably be the perfect time since that should be the time when Cruel Summer will be at its absolute peak in radio.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 30, 2023 9:20:24 GMT -5
I feel like the last 4 weeks in this thread has been wondering what the plan is. nobody knows. We'll find out if something happens, or nothing happens. Until then, we know the song is #1 on pop radio and has made top 10 on the Hot 100.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jul 30, 2023 11:25:29 GMT -5
Am I seriously the only person who'd rather this song do everything it can on its own and be a proven smash hit with an entire run that reflects that rather than have it peak at #1 on the Hot 100 for one week with ridiculous chart gaming tactics? I mean, the majority of #1s now are all like that anyway, so the title is incredibly diluted these days that a peak of #8 seems more impressive to me. Especially considering the song is 4 years old. 100% agreed. Just let this song be the hit that it is. I'm so tired of lame, quickie chart-grabbing remixes. I'd be happier with a #7 peak than a cheap #1 with an unneeded Post Malone remix.
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Post by Choco on Jul 30, 2023 11:38:26 GMT -5
I feel like the last 4 weeks in this thread has been wondering what the plan is. nobody knows. We'll find out if something happens, or nothing happens. Until then, we know the song is #1 on pop radio and has made top 10 on the Hot 100. I just think there was never any plan lol but at this point they can't pretend they have had no time to push this somehow. At least Lover has a CHR #1 now. Title track should've been the first :(
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2023 11:40:09 GMT -5
I feel like the last 4 weeks in this thread has been wondering what the plan is. nobody knows. We'll find out if something happens, or nothing happens. Until then, we know the song is #1 on pop radio and has made top 10 on the Hot 100. I just think there was never any plan lol but at this point they can't pretend they have had no time to push this somehow. At least Lover has a CHR #1 now. Title track should've been the first :( ME! and YNTCD reaching the top ten but Lover stalling in the teens is an American tragedy. The Man got what she deserved.
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Post by Choco on Jul 30, 2023 11:42:23 GMT -5
I was the fool thinking "Lover" was gonna be another "Thinking Out Loud" classic.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 30, 2023 11:59:57 GMT -5
It deserved it.
Multi-month #1 for me tho! π
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Post by livelikedying111 on Jul 30, 2023 13:31:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this song is too good to let it peak at #8. Do you guys know how many times I've heard it? 5 times tops! I want it to remain special for me, so I've allowed myself to listen to it about once a year. This and Afterglow. Pop perfection!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 13:33:57 GMT -5
I was the fool thinking "Lover" was gonna be another "Thinking Out Loud" classic. No shade to Taylor but Lover isn't half as good as "Thinking Out Loud"
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 30, 2023 14:18:02 GMT -5
I was the fool thinking "Lover" was gonna be another "Thinking Out Loud" classic. No shade to Taylor but Lover isn't half as good as "Thinking Out Loud" Thatβs a take. As in, you can take it and keep it. π€
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 15:02:03 GMT -5
No shade to Taylor but Lover isn't half as good as "Thinking Out Loud" Thatβs a take. As in, you can take it and keep it. π€ I mean, it's not like it's an unpopular take statistically and even critically speaking. TOL won SOTY and became a classic
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2023 15:14:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this song is too good to let it peak at #8. Do you guys know how many times I've heard it? 5 times tops! I want it to remain special for me, so I've allowed myself to listen to it about once a year. This and Afterglow. Pop perfection!!! I'm sorry, but this is just really, really weird to me. So you intentionally listen to songs you like less more often than songs you like more? That just seems like you're punishing yourself lol. Thatβs a take. As in, you can take it and keep it. π€ I mean, it's not like it's an unpopular take statistically and even critically speaking. TOL won SOTY and became a classic If you have to defend you opinion by using Grammy results and chart statistics, you have failed at forming at an actual opinion for yourself, because neither of those things actually equate to a song being better than another song. Feel free to like TOL more than Lover all you want, but at least have a real reason for thinking so!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 30, 2023 15:16:42 GMT -5
So many people worried about it hitting #1 on the Hot 100 when it literally *just* got to #1 on CHR and will probably be sitting there pretty for at least a month. There's plenty of time to push this to a #1 peak and it'll only get easier in a few weeks time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 15:22:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this song is too good to let it peak at #8. Do you guys know how many times I've heard it? 5 times tops! I want it to remain special for me, so I've allowed myself to listen to it about once a year. This and Afterglow. Pop perfection!!! I'm sorry, but this is just really, really weird to me. So you intentionally listen to songs you like less more often than songs you like more? That just seems like you're punishing yourself lol. I mean, it's not like it's an unpopular take statistically and even critically speaking. TOL won SOTY and became a classic If you have to defend you opinion by using Grammy results and chart statistics, you have failed at forming at an actual opinion for yourself, because neither of those things actually equate to a song being better than another song. Feel free to like TOL more than Lover all you want, but at least have a real reason for thinking so! I wasn't defending my opinion. I was making it clear that it wasn't an unpopular one. Like you said i'm free to like TOL more! Something that the industry AND the GP seem to agree with. Either way, the entire conversation was about the chart performance of the song so like... Go bother someone else
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Post by 85la on Jul 30, 2023 15:49:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this song is too good to let it peak at #8. Do you guys know how many times I've heard it? 5 times tops! I want it to remain special for me, so I've allowed myself to listen to it about once a year. This and Afterglow. Pop perfection!!! Your unfamiliarity with the song and its trajectory shows. It's peaked at #7 lol. Anyway, I don't think her Instragram post the other day ("Summer Forecast: Cruel") meant nothing. Clearly, some type of a push is being planned very soon, might be delayed a bit due to various factors, but I definitely think it will happen sometime before Labor Day.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 30, 2023 16:06:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this song is too good to let it peak at #8. Do you guys know how many times I've heard it? 5 times tops! I want it to remain special for me, so I've allowed myself to listen to it about once a year. This and Afterglow. Pop perfection!!! I'm sorry, but this is just really, really weird to me. So you intentionally listen to songs you like less more often than songs you like more? That just seems like you're punishing yourself lol. I do it too. Not to that extreme but if certain songs or albums give me a specific sense of nostalgia or a specific feeling that I want to maintain, I try not to listen to them too frequently or listen to them only in specific settings or times of the year to help keep those feelings somewhat intact. If I hear them too often, it becomes diluted over time.
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Post by theflying on Jul 30, 2023 16:58:05 GMT -5
Itβs really okay to love the song βLoverβ, but understand that Ed Sheeran does that kind of thing better. Literally even Taylor has said that about Ed. βLoverβ is not on the level of Thinking Out Loud, in any way you measure it, and thatβs okay. Lover is still great.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2023 17:18:45 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but this is just really, really weird to me. So you intentionally listen to songs you like less more often than songs you like more? That just seems like you're punishing yourself lol. I do it too. Not to that extreme but if certain songs or albums give me a specific sense of nostalgia or a specific feeling that I want to maintain, I try not to listen to them too frequently or listen to them only in specific settings or times of the year to help keep those feelings somewhat intact. If I hear them too often, it becomes diluted over time. That I can understand a bit better, but still strange to me as I never lose a sense of nostalgia or memories associated with songs despite how often I hear them. 220+ plays of Royals later and it still gives me the sense of wonder and change that comes with becoming an adult that it did in 2013. But that could also be because I don't play songs on rotational repeat as much as others in the first place. Y'all do you, though! Itβs really okay to love the song βLoverβ, but understand that Ed Sheeran does that kind of thing better. Literally even Taylor has said that about Ed. βLoverβ is not on the level of Thinking Out Loud, in any way you measure it, and thatβs okay. Lover is still great. It's also okay to not agree with that, as I'm sure you would know since you're oh so eager to defend one user's opinion. But, when people don't agree, be prepared to back up your opinion with something other than "but X agrees," because you shouldn't EVER be basing your opinion on someone else's (or an entity, like the Grammys) because at that point, you don't have an opinion, you're just regurgitating someone else's thoughts like a brainwashed sheep. Some people prefer Lover, some people prefer TOL. Both are fine opinions, they're just songs, but when you post that on the internet, on a thread of the opposing artist no less, you're inviting yourself to people questioning that opinion. That's how conversations work. Clapping back with "well the one I like was the bigger hit and won Grammys so clearly I'm right," it just makes you look like you can't form your own thoughts. Point blank. It's just inviting arguments. Now if Forever Winter had said they prefer the melody or songwriting or literally anything along that matter, no one would have batted an eye. Sure, more people would have chimed in to disagree, but it would at least be a relevant discussion revolving around the music itself and not whatever this has turned into. At the worst it would have been nothing but little jabs at each other and everyone would forget an hour later. No harm, no foul, so long as everyone could actually comprehend it was all light play that didn't mean anything. (Many people here have a hard time grasping that and assume everybody hates them or something despite that most of us actually don't even know each other. There's a discussion to be had there about that, but this is not the time or place.) Tl;Dr - it's not what was said, it's how it was said (or, in this case, it's not the opinion that ruffled feathers, it's how it was presented and "argued" for)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2023 17:20:13 GMT -5
I think if it ruffled your feathers, please go outside and touch some grass
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Post by NeRD on Jul 30, 2023 19:59:54 GMT -5
I don't think a Post remix would move the needle much. He's lost a ton of popularity over the past few years.
I say release a video, discount it and see what happens.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 30, 2023 20:18:52 GMT -5
Officially #1 on pop radio! It's her 13th MB pop #1 and the first pop #1 from Lover. "Karma" is #2 on pop radio this week (and spends a second week at #1 on HAC), so Taylor occupies the top 2 on pop radio this week. Top 20 on AC as well. SUNDAY PUBLISHED UPDATE (7/30)POP:4 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 15517 13945 1572 48.083 Chart run: 43-31-23-18-11-7-4- 1{Taylor Swift's Top 40/M peaks to date}#1: "I Knew You Were Trouble." (x6) #1: "Bad Blood" (x6) (Taylor Swift feat. Kendrick Lamar) #1: "Blank Space" (x5) #1: "Style" (x3) #1: "Anti-Hero" (x3) #1: "Shake It Off" (x2) #1: "Wildest Dreams" (x2) #1: "Karma" (x2) #1: "Love Story" (x1) #1: "You Belong With Me" (x1) #1: "Look What You Made Me Do" (x1) #1: "Delicate" (x1) #1: "Cruel Summer" (x1) #2: "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" #2: "I Don't Wanna Live Forever" (ZAYN & Taylor Swift) #5: "Lavender Haze" #6: "ME!" (Taylor Swift feat. Brendon Urie of Panic! at the Disco) #7: "Teardrops On My Guitar" #7: "Two Is Better Than One" (Boys Like Girls feat. Taylor Swift) #9: "You Need to Calm Down" #10: "22" #10: "End Game" (Taylor Swift feat. Ed Sheeran & Future) #11: "Mine" #11: "...Ready for It?" #12: "Fifteen" #12: "Back to December" #13: "Everything Has Changed" (Taylor Swift feat. Ed Sheeran) #13: "Out of the Woods" #14: "Lover" #15: "Message in a Bottle (Taylor's Version) (From the Vault)" #16: "New Romantics" #16: "willow" #17: "cardigan" #19: "Our Song" #19: "Today Was a Fairytale" #20: "Eyes Open" #20: "The Man" #21: "The Story of Us" #22: "Both of Us" (B.o.B feat. Taylor Swift) #29: "The Joker and the Queen" (Ed Sheeran feat. Taylor Swift) #34: "All of the Girls You Loved Before" *not an official radio single #41: "All Too Well (Taylor's Version)" *not an official radio single #42: "Bejeweled" *not an official radio single #44: "I Can See You (Taylor's Version) (From the Vault)" *not an official radio single #45: "Gorgeous" *not an official radio single #46: "I Knew You Were Trouble (Taylor's Version)" *not an official radio single #49: "Christmas Tree Farm" #50: "Renegade" (Big Red Machine feat. Taylor Swift)
HOT AC:10 8 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 3448 2858 590 13.169 Chart run: 47-30-23-21-16-10- 8
AC:24 17 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 143 67 76 1.102 Chart run: 48-x-40-26- 17 POP:2 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 14536 15051 -515 44.691 Chart run: 50-(25 weeks in between)-41-29-17-13-11-9-7-6-4-3-3-1-1-2-2 HOT AC:1 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 5731 6025 -294 21.171 Chart run: 45-19-15-14-11-10-7-7-5-4-3-2- 1-1
AC:13 13 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 192 170 22 1.184 Chart run: 38-41-39-34-24-21-19-18-19-16- 13-13DANCE:48 46 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 86 82 4 0.008 Chart run: 46-49-48- 46 POP:46 44 TAYLOR SWIFT I Can See You (Taylor's Version) 680 454 226 1.503 Chart run: 46- 44
HOT AC:63 50 TAYLOR SWIFT I Can See You (Taylor's Version) 80 34 46 0.100 Chart run: 50 AC:2 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Anti-Hero 2534 2601 -67 13.213 Chart run: 15-13-10-9-9-10-10-6-6-5-9-9-6-4-3-2-2-2-2-2-2- 1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 HOT AC:47 48 TAYLOR SWIFT I Knew You Were Trouble (Taylor's Version) 99 90 9 0.790 AAA:7 11 THE NATIONAL The Alcott f/Taylor Swift 432 490 -58 0.549 Chart run: 42-29-19-13-13-12-11-10- 6-7-7-11
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 30, 2023 22:28:23 GMT -5
Itβs really okay to love the song βLoverβ, but understand that Ed Sheeran does that kind of thing better. Literally even Taylor has said that about Ed. βLoverβ is not on the level of Thinking Out Loud, in any way you measure it, and thatβs okay. Lover is still great. I always liked βLoverβ because it felt more personal and specific to the relationship - as in I assumed it was written about Taylorβs relationship at the time. Whereas I never loved βThinking Out Loudβ because it felt generic and cliche. (It was always my least favourite track from that album, which is my fav of Edβs albums). With that said, I acknowledge that TOL wins because itβs more relatable since itβs more universal. I just always felt that βLoverβ was more personal.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 31, 2023 0:20:29 GMT -5
Lol 24 weeks at #2 for Anti-Hero on AC⦠is that common?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Jul 31, 2023 1:03:48 GMT -5
as a casual fan, "Lover" has always been my favorite. It was released at the wrong time cuz it had a Xmas vibe. Who knows, maybe it can come back this Xmas. Anything can happen at this point, lol.
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