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Post by musiclife on Sept 3, 2023 12:03:33 GMT -5
It's bitter sweet. It was a hit, but could have been a bigger hit. Regardless being #1 for 5 weeks is nothing to be sore about.
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Post by Mayman on Sept 3, 2023 13:06:27 GMT -5
This is still going to end up as one of her biggest songs and I could see this sticking around for a while. Streams are still solid and I think radio will keep this in rotation like they have for Anti-Hero. I wonder if this and AH could end up being her top 2 Hot 100 hits ever? Anti-Hero should be #1 by the time it leaves the chart and I can see this chart into 2024.
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Post by Choco on Sept 3, 2023 13:33:11 GMT -5
Yesterday was actually it's biggest day yet on Spotify worldwide.
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Post by aldo01 on Sept 3, 2023 13:54:35 GMT -5
I have a friend who works on one of the main stations of Italy, and he told me Cruel Summer was not serviced to Italian radio: he said it was weird as UMG always sends them any Taylor single that gets promoted on Pop in the US. Therefore, Italian radio did not touch the song. He believes the same thing has likely happened in other European countries (such as France, Spain, Germany to name a few), where the song could have charted much higher than it has with streaming alone. According to wikipedia, CS barely hit the top 100 in Italy (#98) and the top 200 in France (#188). It's a shame this song received such little promotion from UMG.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Sept 3, 2023 14:12:55 GMT -5
This is still going to end up as one of her biggest songs and I could see this sticking around for a while. Streams are still solid and I think radio will keep this in rotation like they have for Anti-Hero. I wonder if this and AH could end up being her top 2 Hot 100 hits ever? Anti-Hero should be #1 by the time it leaves the chart and I can see this chart into 2024. based on tanooki's prediction list, her current top 10 songs: #1 Shake It Off 915k #2 Anti-Hero 861k #3 You Belong With Me 768k #4 Blank Space 762k #5 Love Story 704k #6 I Knew You Were Trouble 582k #7 We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together 543k #8 Bad Blood 474k #9 I Don't Wanna Live Forever 402k #10 Wildest Dreams 331k ----- #16 Cruel Summer 214k For AH at #1 it needs like 10 weeks more around #20 (AH is at 44 weeks now), but I think it'd be hard since it's bleeding on radio and predicted to be at #32 this week, plus we'll have Drake's and Olivia's albums - BUT there's a chance it'll re-enter after Xmas, so I guess everything will be clear in January. Cruel Summer needs to spend like 25-30 weeks more in the #4-#10 area to overtake SIO, but I honestly don't see that happening, especially with Xmas songs and the fact that a lot of people associate the song with summer. Everything can change with a high-profile remix or something, but my prediction so far is #6, bigger than IKYWT and right behind Love Story, and that kinda makes sense. Even in the worst scenario, it'll surpass Wildest Dreams for the #10 spot, which is still a big win for her.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 3, 2023 14:26:35 GMT -5
I don't remember "IDWLF" doing that well, wow. I do like that one, but for some reason thought it peaked quickly and fell fast.
I also would have thought "Blank Space" was closer to #1 than that.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Sept 3, 2023 15:00:29 GMT -5
I don't remember "IDWLF" doing that well, wow. I do like that one, but for some reason thought it peaked quickly and fell fast. I also would have thought "Blank Space" was closer to #1 than that. Yeah, people often forget IDWLF was a big hit, six weeks in the top 3, nine in the top 5 and twelve in the top 10 - which was really respectable for 2017. Those six weeks in the top 3 are important since they bring much more points, and IDWLF is actually tied with Bad Blood as her 4th song with most weeks in the top 3 after SIO (13), BS and AH (10).
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 3, 2023 15:06:16 GMT -5
I don't remember "IDWLF" doing that well, wow. I do like that one, but for some reason thought it peaked quickly and fell fast. I also would have thought "Blank Space" was closer to #1 than that. It was her only song on Spotify for a few years, so had a headstart
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Post by pcg4 on Sept 3, 2023 15:46:08 GMT -5
Maybe one day we'll know what happened (Taylor is actually known for pushing hard for her singles to hit the top spot so it's kinda weird how she didn't even release a lyric video) but my opinion (a little reach maybe) is that she didn't want/plan for this to become a hit. She is really a planner and prob has her career somehow planned for the near future. This becoming a hit probably caught her off guard and definitely overshadowed SN (TV) and ICSY as a single, and seeing how much promotion is beeing done for 1989 TV I bet she actually would like CS to be done by then and with time to avoid overexposure in the radio.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 3, 2023 18:31:19 GMT -5
Maybe one day we'll know what happened (Taylor is actually known for pushing hard for her singles to hit the top spot so it's kinda weird how she didn't even release a lyric video) but my opinion (a little reach maybe) is that she didn't want/plan for this to become a hit. She is really a planner and prob has her career somehow planned for the near future. This becoming a hit probably caught her off guard and definitely overshadowed SN (TV) and ICSY as a single, and seeing how much promotion is beeing done for 1989 TV I bet she actually would like CS to be done by then and with time to avoid overexposure in the radio. But she could have released the CS remixes and video a month ago and it still would have died down by now. I’m annoyed that so many fans pushed and supported it and her team did NOTHING. Could have easily been her 10th Hot 100 #1
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 3, 2023 19:30:45 GMT -5
All the coulda shoulda woulda discussion will be what ruins any legacy this song could have had, which is too bad since it’s literally been the most successful instance of a song coming from years later to smash among the current batch of songs to have done it in recent years.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 3, 2023 20:15:38 GMT -5
All the coulda shoulda woulda discussion will be what ruins any legacy this song could have had, which is too bad since it’s literally been the most successful instance of a song coming from years later to smash among the current batch of songs to have done it in recent years. Die For You (Remix) begs to differ!
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 3, 2023 21:58:32 GMT -5
All the coulda shoulda woulda discussion will be what ruins any legacy this song could have had, which is too bad since it’s literally been the most successful instance of a song coming from years later to smash among the current batch of songs to have done it in recent years. Die For You (Remix) begs to differ! What about Die For You (original)?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2023 2:36:42 GMT -5
All the coulda shoulda woulda discussion will be what ruins any legacy this song could have had, which is too bad since it’s literally been the most successful instance of a song coming from years later to smash among the current batch of songs to have done it in recent years. That's quite a drastic statement imo. Do you mean on pulse?
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Post by fearlessarrow on Sept 4, 2023 5:15:27 GMT -5
Olivia Rodrigo's "Vampire" takes over at #1 on Pop but "Cruel Summer" is #1 for a third week on HAC. With "Karma" moving into the top 10 on AC, she has 3 songs in the top 10 there. SUNDAY PUBLISHED UPDATE (9/3)POP:1 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 15886 16426 -540 49.087 Chart run: 43-31-23-18-11-7-4- 1-1-1-1-1-2 {Taylor Swift's Top 40/M peaks to date}#1: "I Knew You Were Trouble." (x6) #1: "Bad Blood" (x6) (Taylor Swift feat. Kendrick Lamar) #1: "Blank Space" (x5) #1: "Cruel Summer" (x5) #1: "Style" (x3) #1: "Anti-Hero" (x3) #1: "Shake It Off" (x2) #1: "Wildest Dreams" (x2) #1: "Karma" (x2) #1: "Love Story" (x1) #1: "You Belong With Me" (x1) #1: "Look What You Made Me Do" (x1) #1: "Delicate" (x1) #2: "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" #2: "I Don't Wanna Live Forever" (ZAYN & Taylor Swift) #5: "Lavender Haze" #6: "ME!" (Taylor Swift feat. Brendon Urie of Panic! at the Disco) #7: "Teardrops On My Guitar" #7: "Two Is Better Than One" (Boys Like Girls feat. Taylor Swift) #9: "You Need to Calm Down" #10: "22" #10: "End Game" (Taylor Swift feat. Ed Sheeran & Future) #11: "Mine" #11: "...Ready for It?" #12: "Fifteen" #12: "Back to December" #13: "Everything Has Changed" (Taylor Swift feat. Ed Sheeran) #13: "Out of the Woods" #14: "Lover" #15: "Message in a Bottle (Taylor's Version) (From the Vault)" #16: "New Romantics" #16: "willow" #17: "cardigan" #19: "Our Song" #19: "Today Was a Fairytale" #20: "Eyes Open" #20: "The Man" #21: "The Story of Us" #22: "Both of Us" (B.o.B feat. Taylor Swift) #29: "The Joker and the Queen" (Ed Sheeran feat. Taylor Swift) #34: "All of the Girls You Loved Before" *not an official radio single #41: "All Too Well (Taylor's Version)" *not an official radio single #42: "Bejeweled" *not an official radio single #44: "I Can See You (Taylor's Version) (From the Vault)" *not an official radio single #45: "Gorgeous" *not an official radio single #46: "I Knew You Were Trouble (Taylor's Version)" *not an official radio single #49: "Christmas Tree Farm" #50: "Renegade" (Big Red Machine feat. Taylor Swift)
HOT AC:1 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 5919 6000 -81 22.198 Chart run: 47-30-23-21-16-10-8-6-3- 1-1-1
AC:8 8 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 1018 865 153 7.418 Chart run: 48-126-40-26-17-12-9- 8-8-8 POP:10 10 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 7537 9155 -1618 25.509 Chart run: 50-(25 weeks in between)-41-29-17-13-11-9-7-6-4-3-3-1-1-2-2-3-5-9-10-10 HOT AC:7 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 3535 3990 -455 11.747 Chart run: 45-19-15-14-11-10-7-7-5-4-3-2- 1-1-3-6-7-7-7 AC:11 10 TAYLOR SWIFT Karma 415 398 17 3.694 Chart run: 38-41-39-34-24-21-19-18-19-16-13-13-11-11-11-11- 10 AC:2 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Anti-Hero 2215 2435 -220 10.241 Chart run: 15-13-10-9-9-10-10-6-6-5-9-9-6-4-3-2-2-2-2-2-2- 1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 AC:56 41 TAYLOR SWIFT Mine (Taylor's Version) 12 5 7 0.134 AC:51 42 TAYLOR SWIFT We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together (Taylor's Version) 10 6 4 0.132 HOT AC:50 43 THE NATIONAL The Alcott f/Taylor Swift 198 85 113 0.785 Chart run: 50- 43
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Post by fearlessarrow on Sept 4, 2023 5:21:08 GMT -5
POP: 1 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 15873 16399 -526 49.037
-12 Spins +15 Bullet -0.049 Audience
HOT AC: 1 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 5888 5993 -105 22.311
-29 Spins -22 Bullet +0.115 Audience
AC: 8 8 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 1012 890 122 7.496
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Post by sheerio on Sept 4, 2023 6:42:20 GMT -5
So on Billboard, this this spend 6 weeks on top?
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Post by avamaxstan on Sept 4, 2023 8:01:58 GMT -5
All the coulda shoulda woulda discussion will be what ruins any legacy this song could have had, which is too bad since it’s literally been the most successful instance of a song coming from years later to smash among the current batch of songs to have done it in recent years. Die For You (Remix) begs to differ! That is a new recording released in 2023, so no it doesn’t beg to differ.
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Post by 85la on Sept 4, 2023 12:48:54 GMT -5
Maybe one day we'll know what happened (Taylor is actually known for pushing hard for her singles to hit the top spot so it's kinda weird how she didn't even release a lyric video) but my opinion (a little reach maybe) is that she didn't want/plan for this to become a hit. She is really a planner and prob has her career somehow planned for the near future. This becoming a hit probably caught her off guard and definitely overshadowed SN (TV) and ICSY as a single, and seeing how much promotion is beeing done for 1989 TV I bet she actually would like CS to be done by then and with time to avoid overexposure in the radio. Yes, I really would like to know the full story one day. At first, I was chalking it up to logistical delays or them waiting for exactly the right time, but that seems to be mostly long gone. They've had every opportunity, and it seems that she (and/or her label) is just very resistant to this going #1 and becoming a hit in general. What's interesting is that, with the right orchestration and if they were to have really pushed it hard from the get-go, this could've been elevated to potentially be a multi-week #1 that could've ruled most of the summer. Starting as soon as mid/late July, they could've easily started with a tour video and alternate versions, then a killer remix with a hot current artist, and then when she had time off from her tour in early August, she could have filmed an actual music video which there would've been time to edit and have been released by now. I can kind of see this being used against her, if in the future she ever has any failed attempts at #1, they'll go, "oh, but she had every opportunity with Cruel Summer," which will be true, she'll have no one to blame but herself for letting this opportunity slip by. But I'm sure there's a good reason, and I don't think it's legacy is necessarily "ruined" completely. It's just a moment that could've been bigger if they had pushed it more.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Sept 4, 2023 13:11:28 GMT -5
A lot of these narratives are strange to me because this was a multi-week #1 smash that was everywhere.
It didn’t reach #1 on the Hot 100. It would have been amazing but like…it’s fine lol
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 4, 2023 14:01:36 GMT -5
A lot of these narratives are strange to me because this was a multi-week #1 smash that was everywhere. It didn’t reach #1 on the Hot 100. It would have been amazing but like…it’s fine lol Apparently not though because the conversation is soon going to return how something could have been done to make it do more.
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Post by Grün on Sept 4, 2023 14:34:26 GMT -5
Honestly, I wanted a music video (not concert footage), but I have a strong inclination that she wasn't prepared for this to be a hit. Ms Easter Egg wasn't ready for it.
I think she wanted to pay attention to Speak Now, but Cruel Summer eclipsed all of that. Now I know the focus is going to be on that movie, and 1989.
Nonetheless, I am happy it did as well as it did. I think the outpouring of love and streams show that this was a smash. Without a push, this is easily the biggest song off of Lover.
As many have pointed out, this could be in her top 10 biggest songs. It did more than enough.
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Post by pcg4 on Sept 4, 2023 15:12:43 GMT -5
Obviously this is a massive hit, but I don't see harm in discussing why it didn't get the extra push to go #1 in the Hot100, especially since it's a weird case both for Taylor and in the music industry in general. Its hit status is never questioned for not having reached 1. It will probabably be more remembered than other Taylor singles that peaked higher, similarly to Love Story, and also probably more than the two songs over it when it peaked.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Sept 4, 2023 17:25:41 GMT -5
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 4, 2023 17:30:20 GMT -5
Lol this has the slightest chance of going back to #1 next Sunday if trends continue, and Dance the Night slows down a bit… can it pull an AH?!
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Post by 85la on Sept 4, 2023 17:57:19 GMT -5
A lot of these narratives are strange to me because this was a multi-week #1 smash that was everywhere. It didn’t reach #1 on the Hot 100. It would have been amazing but like…it’s fine lol Strange? I wouldn't think so. No one is saying it isn't big and isn't a hit, and yes it was #1 for multiple weeks on pop, but we all know that the Hot 100 is what matters and what's talked about the most (she certainly put a high priority on the position with many of her past songs), so because it got so close this time and could've easily gotten to #1 with little effort, yes, it is a little surprising as well as disappointing that she didn't take advantage of it, and I think it's reasonable to point that out.
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 4, 2023 17:58:43 GMT -5
I can see why she didn’t drop tour footage for this, especially if she was negotiating an active deal to sell this with the rest of the tour footage to AMC / theaters. We don’t know an ounce of the legal footwork that goes on behind the scenes here. Obviously, they will make more money this way too.
But yeah, even though I’m happy this had its moment, and sure, more could have been done…. What a moment in time to see this come alive!
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Post by 85la on Sept 4, 2023 18:29:54 GMT -5
I can see why she didn’t drop tour footage for this, especially if she was negotiating an active deal to sell this with the rest of the tour footage to AMC / theaters. We don’t know an ounce of the legal footwork that goes on behind the scenes here. Obviously, they will make more money this way too.
Yes, this was brought up before, and could've likely been the case.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 4, 2023 19:18:36 GMT -5
A lot of these narratives are strange to me because this was a multi-week #1 smash that was everywhere. It didn’t reach #1 on the Hot 100. It would have been amazing but like…it’s fine lol Strange? I wouldn't think so. No one is saying it isn't big and isn't a hit, and yes it was #1 for multiple weeks on pop, but we all know that the Hot 100 is what matters and what's talked about the most (she certainly put a high priority on the position with many of her past songs), so because it got so close this time and could've easily gotten to #1 with little effort, yes, it is a little surprising as well as disappointing that she didn't take advantage of it, and I think it's reasonable to point that out. This! Especially when songs like me! and willow got several remixes and the hardest pushes ever.
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Post by Choco on Sept 4, 2023 20:05:23 GMT -5
I still think there were probably some behind the scenes facts we don't know about (timing, scheduling, and yes, even budgetary issues from a label that might not really want to shell out money to promote a four year old album when they have to promote a new album and two re-releases in that same time frame - you can't expect Taylor to pay for everything out of her own pocket, and she already spent 10 to 20 milli creating a tour film).
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