Billboard Hot 100: 10/5/19

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Sept 26, 2019 16:54:27 GMT -5 inverse said:

Is Taylor Swift Lover still getting any radio support or is it done there? I love the song but it doesn't seem like a great choice of single that would get a lot of airplay

It's top 20 on Pop right now. It still got some adds this week.

[kierz7]

Does anyone know where Lauryn Hill/The Fugees “Killing Me Softly” would have peaked on the Hot 100 had non-commercial singles been allowed to chart?

It peaked at #2 on overall Radio for 8 weeks.

(I’m so mad a CD single wasn’t released. It was a number one smash hit in the U.K, AUS, France, NZ, Germany etc. and surely would’ve been a number one hit in the U.S, possibly right before “Macarena” began to dominate).

Also, where would Will Smith’s “Men In Black” have peaked on the Hot 100 also? It peaked atop overall Radio for 4 weeks.

[nathanalbright]

Sept 26, 2019 17:26:46 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Does anyone know where Lauryn Hill/The Fugees “Killing Me Softly” would have peaked on the Hot 100 had non-commercial singles been allowed to chart?

It peaked at #2 on overall Radio for 8 weeks.

(I’m so mad a CD single wasn’t released. It was a number one smash hit in the U.K, AUS, France, NZ, Germany etc. and surely would’ve been a number one hit in the U.S, possibly right before “Macarena” began to dominate).

Also, where would Will Smith’s “Men In Black” have peaked on the Hot 100 also? It peaked atop overall Radio for 4 weeks.

Is there a chart history thread for questions like this?

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Guessing this will be the week that “Good Things Fall Apart” debuts

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Sept 26, 2019 8:15:21 GMT -5 Abbaschand said:

Sept 26, 2019 2:11:12 GMT -5 Naos said:

As a lead:
#36 - Pop That (ft. Rick Ross, Drake & Lil Wayne)
#77 - Freaks (ft. Nicki Minaj)
#63 - Ain't Worried About Nothin'
#95 - Bad Bitch (ft. Jeremih)
#73 - Lockjaw (ft. Kodak Black)
#36 - No Shopping (ft. Drake)
#3 - Unforgettable (ft. Swae Lee)
#75 - A Lie (ft. The Weeknd & Max B)
#84 - Welcome to the Party (with Diplo, Lil Pump & Zhavia Ward)
#47 - No Stylist (ft. Drake)
#90 - Slide (ft. Blueface & Lil Tjay)

What a tragic discography.

I wanted to be kind and shoot him a little bail by pointing out that of course his peaks will be better on his 'home' format....but then I looked up his r&b/hip-hop peaks and that shit's tragic too. Such a mess.

At least he'll always have Unforgettable.

[aussie1]

Sept 26, 2019 2:22:42 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Sept 26, 2019 1:51:22 GMT -5 aussie1 said:

Really excited for the new Post, Cardi song! What does French Montana actually do? Surely he isn't considered a rapper and more of a Dj Khaled type of artist(?).


Also I think No Guidance definitely has the potential to break Needed Me's record. I find it quite impressive for any song that didn't go top 5 to stay over 10 weeks in the top ten. Also what I find impressive about Needed me's chart run is that it never got to #6. And perhaps even more impressive it was #13 on the year end chart for 2016 for a song that "only" peaked at #7. 

Personally, I'm just surprised that I didn't notice how big of an era Anti was for Rihanna. Probably because Drake dropped Views and One Dance happened, but I saw that Love on the Brain just surpassed 500 million Spotify streams. It also peaked in the top 5 and is certified 3x Platinum. Needed Me spent 16 weeks in the top 10 and is certified 5x Platinum. Work spent 9 weeks at #1 and is certified 6x Platinum. Even Kiss It Better, which didn't peak as high as any of those other songs, was a moderate success and had a Platinum certification.

Her next era should do really well. I just hope she picks and pushes the right singles.

Even some non singles are certified platinum. And I'm pretty sure Needed me and Work are both eligible for 7x Plat and LOTB 5X plat. Huge era but sadly was overshadowed by even bigger eras. Though it has stood the test of time! Anti is #140 this week on the Billboard 200 this week. For comparisons sake, Lemonade and 25 aren't charting and it is also charting above Reputation. 

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I honestly really enjoy Someone You Love

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/09/27

1(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 158.33(-0.10)
2(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 151.01(+0.21)
3(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 123.91(-0.97)
4(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 119.14(+0.48)
5(=) Khalid - Talk 111.89(-0.66)
6(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 103.14(-0.60)
7(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 90.21(-0.25)
8(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 86.34(-0.07)
9(=) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 85.83(-0.29)
10(=) Ed Sheeran - Beautiful People (feat. Khalid) 74.42(+0.41)

14(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 63.98(+1.28)

17(=) Chris Lane - I Don't Know About You 57.67(+1.61)

19(=) Post Malone - Circles 50.96(+0.79)

24(+3) Matt Stell - Prayed for You 46.72(+0.91)

47(+6) Maroon 5 - Memories 34.06(+3.72)

89(+1) Jon Pardi - Heartache Medication 18.14(+0.73)

90(+3) Lizzo - Good as Hell 17.92(+1.12)

92(+2) Halsey - Graveyard 17.64(+0.84)

[iHype.]

Well "Pop That" w/ Drake actually was a huge Urban hit in 2012.

It peaked at #2 for 5 weeks at the R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart... blocked by "Adorn", which was in the process of having the longest reign at #1 ever on the chart.

Keep in mind 2012 was back during the height of Pop/HAC dominance on Hot 100. There was only 5 true R&B/Hip-Hop songs in the entire top 40 when "Pop That" was at its peak.

[85la]

Sept 26, 2019 18:03:32 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

Sept 26, 2019 17:26:46 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Does anyone know where Lauryn Hill/The Fugees “Killing Me Softly” would have peaked on the Hot 100 had non-commercial singles been allowed to chart?

It peaked at #2 on overall Radio for 8 weeks.

(I’m so mad a CD single wasn’t released. It was a number one smash hit in the U.K, AUS, France, NZ, Germany etc. and surely would’ve been a number one hit in the U.S, possibly right before “Macarena” began to dominate).

Also, where would Will Smith’s “Men In Black” have peaked on the Hot 100 also? It peaked atop overall Radio for 4 weeks.

Is there a chart history thread for questions like this?

Yes, iHype. created one a little while ago:

pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/186852/charts-airplay-tracks-charted-90s

It starts in 1997, before Killing Me Softly charted, however according to the calculations, Men in Black would've peaked at #9.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/09/28

1(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 158.05(-0.28)
2(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 151.87(+0.86)

3(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 123.35(-0.56)
4(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 120.38(+1.24)
5(=) Khalid - Talk 111.63(-0.26)
6(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 102.61(-0.53)
7(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 89.29(-0.91)

8(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 86.05(-0.29)
9(=) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 85.83(-0.01)
10(=) Ed Sheeran - Beautiful People (feat. Khalid) 75.69(+1.26)

13(+1) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 65.53(+1.54)

15(=) SHAED & ZAYN - Trampoline 62.75(+0.71)

17(=) Chris Lane - I Don't Know About You 59.08(+1.41)

19(=) Post Malone - Circles 52.1(+1.18)

22(+2) Matt Stell - Prayed for You 47.61(+0.89)

39(+3) Lil Nas X - Panini 37.17(+1.23)

86(+4) Lizzo - Good as Hell 19.24(+1.31)

87(+2) Jon Pardi - Heartache Medication 19.09(+0.94)

89(+3) Halsey - Graveyard 18.61(+0.97)

[dann]

76 (-29) Maroon 5 - Memories 21.66 (-12.39)

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Truth Hurts will be #1 for 6 weeks, and then, Senorita will be #1 again.

[Dadude#0839]

I hope good things fall apart debuts

[dann]

Lil Nas X continues to reign in YT for 26 weeks. I hope he stays at #1 until the release of the rodeo music video to replace Panini.

[13]

At this point, what could end Lizzo's run at #1 in the near future, now that it looks like it's peaked on radio? SYL? Panini? Señorita? Rihanna/Adele new debuts?

Am I missing anything?

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Sept 28, 2019 19:38:27 GMT -5 13 said:

At this point, what could end Lizzo's run at #1 in the near future, now that it looks like it's peaked on radio? SYL? Panini? Señorita? Rihanna/Adele new debuts?

Am I missing anything?

Drake is supposedly dropping a new album at the end of the year so his lead

[kierz7]

Sept 28, 2019 15:21:38 GMT -5 @benson said:

A few things I learned while doing the above chart:

1. In 1989, they had a COMPACT DISKS album chart. With a K, no less. I totally forgot this chart ever existed, but it makes sense as CDs were still new.

2. While debuting high on the album chart was still relatively uncommon, Janet's album would have debuted higher than #28. Turns out the Black charts' reporting week wasn't in sync with the rest, so it only had a few days of urban market sales that counted toward its debut. Foul.

3. On this chart, and most in the 80s, there's a common phenomenon:  Prior to a song's descent, it would lose its bullet but gain several positions, and THEN plummet the following week. Most songs on this chart that move up without a bullet are examples of this - most plummeted the following week. This is partially because of how suddenly, swiftly, and unnaturally, songs fell off the chart, making it more possible for a song to move upward despite losing sales/airplay.  I've seen some songs move upwards of 10 spots without a bullet, though, and then crash the next week.  So it's still a little suspect despite my rationale. Get that peak! haha.

Why is it that their were no number one/top ten single debuts during the pre-Soundscan era?

I’m still stunned that artists ala. Michael Jackson never scored such during the PHENOMENALLY-anticipated “BAD” era, or Madonna during the “True Blue” era, Janet Jackson during the “Rhythm Nation” era or Whitney Houston during the “Whitney” era etc.

Even though it was very rare, albums were debuting at number one during that time ie. “Whitney”, Elton John even had several albums debut at number one during the 1970’s as did Stevie Wonder and a few other acts. Why didn’t the same take place with physical singles?

For example, yes, you had songs ala. “Like A Prayer” and “Miss You Much” climb to number one during a 3-5 weeks span (which was great) but what is it that were hindering them from entering the Hot 100 somewhere in the 20’s at least?

[violentdreams]

Sept 28, 2019 19:50:44 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Sept 28, 2019 19:38:27 GMT -5 13 said:

At this point, what could end Lizzo's run at #1 in the near future, now that it looks like it's peaked on radio? SYL? Panini? Señorita? Rihanna/Adele new debuts?

Am I missing anything?

Drake is supposedly dropping a new album at the end of the year so his lead

I very much doubt we get a new Drake album in the next few months. All of his albums have had huge, extended rollouts with multiple singles and promotion. That whole Universal leak sounds like wishful thinking (except maybe Adele and The Weeknd).

[sirskimask]

Sept 28, 2019 19:38:27 GMT -5 13 said:

At this point, what could end Lizzo's run at #1 in the near future, now that it looks like it's peaked on radio? SYL? Panini? Señorita? Rihanna/Adele new debuts?

Am I missing anything?

The Weeknd if he drops a single soon

[Gary]

Sept 28, 2019 20:41:44 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Sept 28, 2019 15:21:38 GMT -5 @benson said:

A few things I learned while doing the above chart:

1. In 1989, they had a COMPACT DISKS album chart. With a K, no less. I totally forgot this chart ever existed, but it makes sense as CDs were still new.

2. While debuting high on the album chart was still relatively uncommon, Janet's album would have debuted higher than #28. Turns out the Black charts' reporting week wasn't in sync with the rest, so it only had a few days of urban market sales that counted toward its debut. Foul.

3. On this chart, and most in the 80s, there's a common phenomenon:  Prior to a song's descent, it would lose its bullet but gain several positions, and THEN plummet the following week. Most songs on this chart that move up without a bullet are examples of this - most plummeted the following week. This is partially because of how suddenly, swiftly, and unnaturally, songs fell off the chart, making it more possible for a song to move upward despite losing sales/airplay.  I've seen some songs move upwards of 10 spots without a bullet, though, and then crash the next week.  So it's still a little suspect despite my rationale. Get that peak! haha.

Why is it that their were no number one/top ten single debuts during the pre-Soundscan era?

There were three top 10 debuts actually - all from the Beatles.

Manual reporting vs point of sale reporting mainly
radio playlists were faster

etc

[daysintheeast]

Sept 28, 2019 20:46:53 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

Sept 28, 2019 19:50:44 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Drake is supposedly dropping a new album at the end of the year so his lead

I very much doubt we get a new Drake album in the next few months. All of his albums have had huge, extended rollouts with multiple singles and promotion. That whole Universal leak sounds like wishful thinking (except maybe Adele and The Weeknd).

I doubt Drake is releasing this year but Drake has dropped surprise releases (IYRTITL, WATTBA) so not all of his albums have multiple singles rollouts etc.

[violentdreams]

Sept 28, 2019 21:21:45 GMT -5 daysintheeast said:

Sept 28, 2019 20:46:53 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

I very much doubt we get a new Drake album in the next few months. All of his albums have had huge, extended rollouts with multiple singles and promotion. That whole Universal leak sounds like wishful thinking (except maybe Adele and The Weeknd).

I doubt Drake is releasing this year but Drake has dropped surprise releases (IYRTITL, WATTBA) so not all of his albums have multiple singles rollouts etc.

That's true, but I consider those unique since they're "mixtapes" and not formal albums. I have heard rumors of a WATTBA sequel recently though, so if anything, I think that could be Drake's November release.

[moonlite]

Sept 28, 2019 21:21:45 GMT -5 daysintheeast said:

Sept 28, 2019 20:46:53 GMT -5 violentdreams said:

I very much doubt we get a new Drake album in the next few months. All of his albums have had huge, extended rollouts with multiple singles and promotion. That whole Universal leak sounds like wishful thinking (except maybe Adele and The Weeknd).

I doubt Drake is releasing this year but Drake has dropped surprise releases (IYRTITL, WATTBA) so not all of his albums have multiple singles rollouts etc.

IYRTITL and WATTBA (and More Life) weren’t “albums”. Even tho that line is blurred in the streaming era

[kierz7]

Sept 28, 2019 21:06:18 GMT -5 Gary said:

Sept 28, 2019 20:41:44 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Why is it that their were no number one/top ten single debuts during the pre-Soundscan era?

There were three top 10 debuts actually - all from the Beatles.

Manual reporting vs point of sale reporting mainly
radio playlists were faster

etc

Which songs?

I never knew that! Thanks Gary!

[Gary]

Sept 28, 2019 21:39:09 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Sept 28, 2019 21:06:18 GMT -5 Gary said:

There were three top 10 debuts actually - all from the Beatles.

Manual reporting vs point of sale reporting mainly
radio playlists were faster

etc

Which songs?

I never knew that! Thanks Gary!

Hey Jude and Get Back both at #10

Let It Be in 1970 at #6

This was the record until 1995

when Scream from Michael and Janet debuted at #5

I have not updated it recently but I have a thread on this topic

pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/153987/songs-debut-top-hot-100?page=1

[85la]

Sept 28, 2019 20:41:44 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Sept 28, 2019 15:21:38 GMT -5 @benson said:

A few things I learned while doing the above chart:

1. In 1989, they had a COMPACT DISKS album chart. With a K, no less. I totally forgot this chart ever existed, but it makes sense as CDs were still new.

2. While debuting high on the album chart was still relatively uncommon, Janet's album would have debuted higher than #28. Turns out the Black charts' reporting week wasn't in sync with the rest, so it only had a few days of urban market sales that counted toward its debut. Foul.

3. On this chart, and most in the 80s, there's a common phenomenon:  Prior to a song's descent, it would lose its bullet but gain several positions, and THEN plummet the following week. Most songs on this chart that move up without a bullet are examples of this - most plummeted the following week. This is partially because of how suddenly, swiftly, and unnaturally, songs fell off the chart, making it more possible for a song to move upward despite losing sales/airplay.  I've seen some songs move upwards of 10 spots without a bullet, though, and then crash the next week.  So it's still a little suspect despite my rationale. Get that peak! haha.

Why is it that their were no number one/top ten single debuts during the pre-Soundscan era?

I’m still stunned that artists ala. Michael Jackson never scored such during the PHENOMENALLY-anticipated “BAD” era, or Madonna during the “True Blue” era, Janet Jackson during the “Rhythm Nation” era or Whitney Houston during the “Whitney” era etc.

Even though it was very rare, albums were debuting at number one during that time ie. “Whitney”, Elton John even had several albums debut at number one during the 1970’s as did Stevie Wonder and a few other acts. Why didn’t the same take place with physical singles?

For example, yes, you had songs ala. “Like A Prayer” and “Miss You Much” climb to number one during a 3-5 weeks span (which was great) but what is it that were hindering them from entering the Hot 100 somewhere in the 20’s at least?

I have wondered this for a long time and honestly it still boggles my mind. You would think if anyone, there would be gargantuan anticipation for someone like Michael Jackson after the Thriller era that would drive enough people to stores to buy a couple hundred thousand copies of his lead single from Bad, as well as a very hefty radio debut based on curiosity alone, which would surely lead to a #1 or at the very least a top-ten debut.

The only logical explanation for this is that THERE MUST have been limitations in the rules at the time such that it wasn't possible for singles to debut high, and that debut points and week to week jumps were heavily mitigated in the opening weeks of a song's run. I know market conditions were different back then and that singles tended to start up slowly and weren't given as front-loaded of a push, but still, for massive stars of the likes of Michael Jackson, Madonna, and Whitney Houston, it makes absolutely no sense that coming off of massive eras, their lead singles even after 3 or 4 weeks on the chart were only able to climb to the teens (in other words, if Nielsen-based methods had been in place at the time, the songs surely wouldn't have had such paltry debuts).

[badrobot]

This has been talked about before (re: so few high debuts). Many here can’t comprehend a pre-internet world where people simply did not know about a song until they heard it on the radio. Information traveled slower. If you were a big fan of someone you probably had to join a by-mail fan club if you wanted anything resembling the wealth of info about each artist’s music that you get instantly online today.

As recently as the mid-90s, even once email and the web was becoming common, we still often had to wait 1-2 weeks to get chart data that today y’all complain about being late if it’s 15 minutes past normal.

And, if you wanted to buy a song, you had to go to a store and spend $3-4, which is probably close to $10 today with inflation. Nothing was instant.

[HolidayGuy]

^True, br. Also, with the methodology of the time- stores rankings their top sellers and Billboard assigning a set number of points for the rankings on each report- some stores may well have had a single ranked high/near the top for the first week, while others didn't.

As wonderful as technology is, I do miss those days where everything wasn't so instant and at your fingertips (literally).

[forg]

I'm glad some of the posters are putting things into perspective. I was a kid in the 90s when I became a pop music/chart fan and while there was Internet already, in my country it was not accessible yet to regular folks so all our music information we solely rely on radio, music magazines and TV! I remember I have to wait for the local newspaper to find out the Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 or the weekly news bit on the radio about it lol