Billboard Hot 100: 10/5/19

[HolidayGuy]

^Yes. I didn't have instant access to Billboard magazine at that time (often, I would have a relative pick it up every now and then for me in NYC)- so for a couple of years or so, I looked forward to seeing the top 10 rundown on CNN's Showbiz Today each week. :) Sometimes, I would go to the record store at the mall, which posted the Hot 100 on the wall or I would ask to look at the one issue it had behind the desk, and jot down some rankings.

Also, New York Newsday used to print the top 25 national and NYC singles each Sunday (I relied on this in the mid-to-late '90s or so for an early preview). So, I got the top 25 national, and some other positions, as the NYC singles chart would list the national rankings off to the right. Later on, I would find outlets that sold Billboard. For a while, I didn't have a subscription. Eventually, I did get one, which lasted for several years.

When I was even younger, I, like some others, would sit at the radio Sunday mornings and listen to American Top 40 and write down each song as it came on.

Those were the days...

[forg]

^ here in the Philippines, American Top 40 was syndicated for several years and I had a thrill listening to it! I'm not sure if we get the freshest episode back then but I feel like we were weeks or months late because it just how it was back in the day, we get anything foreign (movies, products etc!) later!

I definitely had notebooks jotting down various radio music charts, MTV Asia Hitlist etc! No one understood in my family or friends why I'm into music charts because it was such a peculiar interest for a kid and I even thought it was weird too until I finally had Internet access in the early 2000s and discovered I was not alone and there are so many chart geeks out there lol

[kierz7]

Sept 29, 2019 6:31:30 GMT -5 badrobot said:

This has been talked about before (re: so few high debuts). Many here can’t comprehend a pre-internet world where people simply did not know about a song until they heard it on the radio. Information traveled slower. If you were a big fan of someone you probably had to join a by-mail fan club if you wanted anything resembling the wealth of info about each artist’s music that you get instantly online today.

As recently as the mid-90s, even once email and the web was becoming common, we still often had to wait 1-2 weeks to get chart data that today y’all complain about being late if it’s 15 minutes past normal.

And, if you wanted to buy a song, you had to go to a store and spend $3-4, which is probably close to $10 today with inflation. Nothing was instant.

Thank you for your response.

Now, I didn’t start following the Billboard charts until I was 11, in 2000 (I was HUGE fans of Destiny’s Child/Christina Aguilera at the time) so I’m not well educated on the charts throughout the early-to-mid ‘90’s/Pre-Soundscan. Of course, I understand that the charts moved much slower then, methodologies were rather inaccurate etc.

Nevertheless, I just find it extremely interesting that artists ala. Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson etc. weren’t able to score (•at the very least•) top ten or twenty debuts on the Hot 100 during their peak ‘80’s eras when you had The Beatles scoring top ten debuts in the 1960’s and the early 1970’s as pointed out by another poster.

Surely you’d think that Michael Jackson, of all artists at the time, would have scored high debuts on the Hot 100 during the “BAD” era. It still amazes me that “I Just Can’t Stop Lovin’ You” took 7 weeks to hit number one, “BAD” took six weeks etc.

It’s fascinating! Especially when you had albums debuting at number one, in the top ten, but not physical singles.

[kierz7]

HolidayGuy

Again, I didn’t start following the charts until 2000 when I was 11. I was huge fans of Destiny’s Child/Christina Aguilera/J.Lo. I’m from the U.K too so, unfortunately, I/we never had access to Billboard magazine then and I don’t quite recall us having internet in my house that was free for use - I believe there was dial-up but only my parents could use that for work etc. - so I had to wait until I was in school or at the library to enter Destiny’s Child/Christina Aguilera chat rooms/forums every week to get information on the U.S charts.

I remember myself and many Xtina fans trolling Britney Spears forums because her singles were flopping on the Hot 100 (even though her albums were slaying), arguing with fans over who was bigger and better: Destiny’s Child or J.Lo etc.

Now... THOSE were the days! 😂

[forg]

I have never seen an actual Billboard magazine. I don't think it was ever sold here. But I did purchase Joel Whitburn Hot 100 book before when I discovered it was being sold on a high end bookstore and it was so way beyond my college student budget lol

[Gary]

The primary source of the Hot 100 pre internet

[shaz196]

Does anyone know why Billboard stopped publishing their top 10 weekly songs videos on YouTube?

[Choco]

Sept 29, 2019 9:06:45 GMT -5 shaz196 said:

Does anyone know why Billboard stopped publishing their top 10 weekly songs videos on YouTube?

Budget cuts most likely.

[forg]

Yeah probably the team who handled that are no longer with Billboard. And maybe it's trickier (financially) now to upload a video now with song snippets

[Gary]

Top 25 debuts - 1958-1994

24 Surrender, Elvis Presley
21 A Hard Day's Night, The Beatles
22 I Feel Fine, The Beatles
12 Mrs. Brown You've Got A Lovely Daughter, Herman's Hermits
25 Nowhere Man, The Beatles
24 Valleri, The Monkees
23 Lady Madonna, The Beatles
10 Hey Jude, The Beatles
10 Get Back, The Beatles
20 Something/Come Together, The Beatles
23 Come Together, Beatles
6 Let It Be, The Beatles
24 Have You Ever Seen The Rain, Creedence Clearwater Revival
20 Imagine, John Lennon
20 Thriller, Michael Jackson
21 We Are The World, USA For Africa
15 Rescue Me, Madonna
13 I ll Be There, Mariah Carey
24 The Best Things In Life Are Free, Luther Vandross And Janet Jackson
24 Forever Love (From "Mo Money"), Color Me Badd
13 Erotica, Madonna
15 In The Still Of The Nite (From "The Jacksons"), Boyz II Men
14 That's The Way Love Goes, Janet Jackson
15 Again, Janet Jackson
14 On Bended Knee, Boyz II Men

[Golden Bluebird]

[king_billboard_100]

Sept 29, 2019 10:20:45 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

crazy longevity in the top 10 for No Guidance!!

[king_billboard_100]

We need to make a meeting of all of us !! Seems like we can talk for hours on the billboard 100😂

[Mayman]

Hopefully Panini can get a new peak with Bad Guy and Señorita on their way out.

[Choco]

Next week, Bad Guy is getting a boost thanks to SNL and Señorita is maybe looking at a return to #1 on Pop radio... so we will see.

[Mayman]

Sept 29, 2019 10:37:35 GMT -5 Choco said:

Next week, Bad Guy is getting a boost thanks to SNL and Señorita is maybe looking at a return to #1 on Pop radio... so we will see.

Omg I forgot to watch her last night. :(

[Choco]

Btw at Sunflower predicted to go up, the track just won't die... but tbh I still play it constantly. Such an enjoyable song.

Can it rival "rockstar" as his biggest hit yet? I know that one probably peaked higher in points and had crazy longevity, but it was probably lower at this point of it's run.

[kierz7]

Gary

Didn’t Biggie Smalls’ “One More Chance” debut at #5, and Brandy’s “Baby” debut at #4?

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

September 28, 1959 (For the week ending October 3)

01 01 Sleep Walk - Santo & Johnny (2nd and final week at #1)
02 07 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin
03 02 The Three Bells - The Browns
04 04 'Til I Kissed You - The Everly Brothers
05 03 I'm Gonna Get Married - Lloyd Price
06 05 Sea Of Love - Phil Phillips
07 10 Put Your Head On My Shoulder - Paul Anka
08 06 Red River Rock - Johnny & The Hurricanes
09 15 Teen Beat - Sandy Nelson
10 08 Broken-Hearted Melody - Sarah Vaughan

19 41 Lonely Street - Andy Williams


October 3, 1964

01 01 Oh, Pretty Woman - Roy Orbison (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 06 Do Wah Diddy Diddy - Manfred Mann
03 02 Bread & Butter - The Newbeats
04 08 Dancing In The Street - Martha & The Vandellas
05 05 Remember (Walkin' In The Sand) - The Shangri-Las
06 04 G.T.O. - Ronny & The Daytonas
07 09 It Hurts To Be In Love - Gene Pitney
08 03 The House Of The Rising Sun - The Animals
09 14 We'll Sing In The Sunshine - Gale Garnett
10 10 Save It For Me - The Four Seasons


October 4, 1969

01 01 Sugar, Sugar - The Archies (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 07 Jean - Oliver
03 05 Little Woman - Bobby Sherman
04 04 Easy To Be Hard - Three Dog Night
05 06 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations
06 03 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones
07 02 Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival
08 17 Everybody's Talkin' - Nilsson
09 09 Hot Fun In The Summertime - Sly & The Family Stone
10 10 Oh What a Night - The Dells

24 50 Baby It's You - Smith


October 5, 1974

01 02 I Honestly Love You - Olivia Newton-John (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 03 Nothing From Nothing - Billy Preston
03 04 Then Came You - Dionne Warwick & The Spinners
04 05 Beach Baby - First Class
05 06 You Haven't Done Nothin' - Stevie Wonder
06 07 Clap For The Wolfman - The Guess Who
07 08 Another Saturday Night - Cat Stevens
08 09 Hang On In There Baby - Johnny Bristol
09 10 Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
10 11 Earache My Eye - Cheech & Chong


October 6, 1979

01 02 Sad Eyes - Robert John (1st and only week at #1)
02 04 Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough - Michael Jackson
03 03 Rise - Herb Alpert
04 01 My Sharona - The Knack
05 08 Sail On - The Commodores
06 06 Lonesome Loser - The Little River Band
07 07 I'll Never Love This Way Again - Dionne Warwick
08 11 Pop Muzik - M
09 05 After The Love Has Gone - Earth, Wind & Fire
10 19 Dim All The Lights - Donna Summer

[Gary]

Sept 29, 2019 10:46:10 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Gary

Didn’t Biggie Smalls’ “One More Chance” debut at #5, and Brandy’s “Baby” debut at #4?

Yes - for One More Chance debuted at #5 - a week after Michael Jackson did the same thing

No on the Brandy song - it debuted at #60

[tanooki]

Sept 29, 2019 10:44:14 GMT -5 Choco said:

Btw at Sunflower predicted to go up, the track just won't die... but tbh I still play it constantly. Such an enjoyable song.

Can it rival "rockstar" as his biggest hit yet? I know that one probably peaked higher in points and had crazy longevity, but it was probably lower at this point of it's run.

Sunflower is already Posts biggest hit

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

October 6, 1984

01 01 Let's Go Crazy - Prince & The Revolution (2nd and final week at #1)
02 05 I Just Called To Say I Love You - Stevie Wonder
03 03 Drive - The Cars
04 02 Missing You - John Waite
05 04 She Bop - Cyndi Lauper
06 12 Hard Habit To Break - Chicago
07 08 The Glamorous Life - Sheila E.
08 13 Lucky Star - Madonna
09 07 The Warrior - Scandal feat. Patty Smyth
10 10 Cover Me - Bruce Springsteen


October 7, 1989

01 05 Miss You Much - Janet Jackson (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 04 Cherish - Madonna
03 01 Girl I'm Gonna Miss You - Milli Vanilli
04 02 Heaven - Warrant
05 03 If I Could Turn Back Time - Cher
06 12 Mixed Emotions - The Rolling Stones
07 10 Love Song - The Cure
08 06 18 & Life - Skid Row
09 11 Bust a Move - Young MC
10 14 It's No Crime - Babyface


October 8, 1994

01 01 I'll Make Love To You - Boyz II Men (7th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 03 All I Wanna Do - Sheryl Crow
03 02 Endless Love - Luther Vandross & Mariah Carey
04 05 When Can I See You - Babyface
05 06 Wild Night - John Mellencamp w/Me'Shell NdegeOcello
06 07 Stroke You Up - Changing Faces
07 04 Stay (I Missed You) - Lisa Loeb & Nine Stories
08 08 At Your Best (You Are Love) - Aaliyah
09 09 Never Lie - Immature
10 16 Another Night - Real McCoy


October 2, 1999

01 01 Unpretty - TLC (3rd and final week at #1)
02 02 She's All I Ever Had - Ricky Martin
03 07 Smooth - Santana feat. Rob Thomas
04 06 Mambo No. 5 (A Little Bit Of...) - Lou Bega
05 03 Bailamos - Enrique Iglesias
06 04 Genie In a Bottle - Christina Aguilera
07 09 Someday - Sugar Ray
08 08 All Star - Smash Mouth
09 12 Scar Tissue - The Red Hot Chili Peppers
10 56 I Need To Know - Marc Anthony

15 62 We Can't Be Friends - Deborah Cox w/R.L. of Next

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

October 2, 2004

01 01 Goodies - Ciara feat. Petey deleted (4th of 7 weeks at #1)
02 02 Lean Back - Terror Squad
03 03 Sunshine - Lil Flip
04 04 My Place - Nelly (feat. Jaheim)
05 07 My Boo - Usher & Alicia Keys
06 05 She Will Be Loved - Maroon 5
07 06 Pieces Of Me - Ashlee Simpson
08 09 Diary - Alicia Keys (feat. Tony! Toni! Tone!)
09 13 My Happy Ending - Avril Lavigne
10 10 Locked Up - Akon


October 3, 2009

01 01 I Gotta Feeling - The Black Eyed Peas (13th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 04 Run This Town - Jay-Z, Rihanna & Kanye West
03 02 Down - Jay Sean feat. Lil Wayne
04 06 You Belong With Me - Taylor Swift
05 50 Empire State Of Mind - Jay-Z & Alicia Keys
06 03 Party In The U.S.A. - Miley Cyrus
07 18 Paparazzi - Lady Gaga
08 NE Forever - Drake feat. Kanye West, Lil Wayne & Eminem
09 05 Use Somebody - Kings Of Leon
10 07 Whatcha Say - Jason Derulo

17 48 Successful - Drake feat. Trey Songz


October 4, 2014

01 01 All About That Bass - Meghan Trainor (3rd of 8 weeks at #1)
02 02 Shake It Off - Taylor Swift
03 05 Bang Bang - Jessie J, Ariana Grande & Nicki Minaj
04 03 Anaconda - Nicki Minaj
05 04 Black Widow - Iggy Azalea feat. Rita Ora
06 06 Stay With Me - Sam Smith
07 07 Break Free - Ariana Grande feat. Zedd
08 10 Boom Clap - Charli XCX
09 11 Chandelier - Sia
10 12 Don't Tell 'Em - Jeremih feat. YG

18 NE Booty - Jennifer Lopez feat. Iggy Azalea or Pitbull


October 6, 2018

01 01 Girls Like You - Maroon 5 feat. Cardi B (2nd of 7 weeks at #1)
02 04 Lucid Dreams - Juice WRLD
03 05 Better Now - Post Malone
04 02 In My Feelings - Drake
05 03 Killshot - Eminem
06 09 Sicko Mode - Travis Scott
07 06 I Like It - Cardi B, Bad Bunny & J Balvin
08 08 FEFE - 6xi9ine feat. Nicki Minaj & Murda Beatz
09 07 I Love It - Kanye West & Lil Pump
10 10 Youngblood - 5 Seconds Of Summer

13 47 Falling Down - Lil Peep & XXXTentacion

[FindingC7osure]

Sept 25, 2019 10:19:04 GMT -5 FindingC7osure said:

10/5/19 Early Predictions:

Song	Points
1. Truth Hurts (=)	37,200
2. Señorita (=)	32,800
3. Someone You Loved (+1)	30,200
4. Ran$om (+2)	28,500
5. No Guidance (+2)	27,400
6. Bad Guy (-3)	26,100
7. Panini (-2)	24,600
8. Circles (+1)	24,100
9. Goodbyes (-1)	23,100
10. I Don't Care (+1)	20,700
11. Talk (+1)	20,200
12. Old Town Road (-2)	20,000

10/5/19 Final Predictions:

	Song	Points
1.	Truth Hurts (=)	37,700
2.	Señorita (=)	33,100
3.	Someone You Loved (+1)	29,800
4.	Ran$om (+2)	29,400
5.	No Guidance (+2)	27,600
6.	Bad Guy (-3)	26,300
7.	Panini (-2)	24,100
8.	Circles (+1)	23,600
9.	Goodbyes (-1)	23,300
10.	I Don't Care (+1)	21,500
11.	Old Town Road (-1)	21,100
12.	Talk (=)	20,000

[crazyb]

Sept 29, 2019 9:06:45 GMT -5 shaz196 said:

Does anyone know why Billboard stopped publishing their top 10 weekly songs videos on YouTube?

My guess is Youtube copyright system made it hard to continue doing them.

[jebsib]

Sept 28, 2019 15:21:38 GMT -5 @benson said:

On this chart, and most in the 80s, there's a common phenomenon: Prior to a song's descent, it would lose its bullet but gain several positions, and THEN plummet the following week. Most songs on this chart that move up without a bullet are examples of this - most plummeted the following week. This is partially because of how suddenly, swiftly, and unnaturally, songs fell off the chart, making it more possible for a song to move upward despite losing sales/airplay. I've seen some songs move upwards of 10 spots without a bullet, though, and then crash the next week. So it's still a little suspect despite my rationale. Get that peak! haha.

I was following the charts closely in the mid / late 80s and know this phenomenon well… it really reached its crescendo in the '87/88/88 time period. The chart manager would explain it away with quotes like "A handful of records move up the charts without bullets this week because of insufficient total point gains even though they are having success in certain markets."  

Important to remember that during this period the Hot 100 was primarily an airplay chart.  People had given up on 45rpm records singles, there were almost no CD singles, and cassingles were just beginning their foothold (virtually non existent before Bryan Adams' Heat of the Night).  So sales totals did not stabilize or influence the chart that much … and airplay was regulated by unstable radio playlist reports usually phoned in by young interns.  Once a song peaked at a station, it would be removed on that stations' playlist immediately.  

Thus, even if it was being played as a recurrent for a few weeks after, it was officially 'gone'.  This was standard, and when enough stations did this in tandem, it lead to these big plummets.  So those songs you see climbing and peaking without bullets were nationally on their last legs, also affected by all the crazy activity around them.  (A variation of this practice still happens on the Country Airplay chart).  By the following week, having been universally dropped, they would plummet.  By the way, this was not as inaccurate as it seems:  Songs really DID only last 2 months on the radio, to pretty much vanish, clearing the way for the followups)

[tanooki]

Sept 29, 2019 12:00:15 GMT -5 crazyb said:

Sept 29, 2019 9:06:45 GMT -5 shaz196 said:

Does anyone know why Billboard stopped publishing their top 10 weekly songs videos on YouTube?

My guess is Youtube copyright system made it hard to continue doing them.

Specifically, Eminem put a copyright claim on them and they had to remove Killshots audio

[jebsib]

Sept 29, 2019 8:39:51 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Surely you’d think that Michael Jackson, of all artists at the time, would have scored high debuts on the Hot 100 during the “BAD” era. It still amazes me that “I Just Can’t Stop Lovin’ You” took 7 weeks to hit number one, “BAD” took six weeks etc.

The week MJ debuted at #37 was stellar - debuting at #37 was absolutely amazing and rare.
Once the stores got fully stocked with the singles, it blasted up to #16.
Again, an almost unprecedented move back then.

[brady47]

This might be off topic: But I just heard this amazing mashup of "bad guy" and Britney Spears' "Toxic"

sowndhaus.audio/track/13284/bad-toxic

[kierz7]

Sept 29, 2019 12:40:28 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Sept 29, 2019 8:39:51 GMT -5 kierz7 said:

Surely you’d think that Michael Jackson, of all artists at the time, would have scored high debuts on the Hot 100 during the “BAD” era. It still amazes me that “I Just Can’t Stop Lovin’ You” took 7 weeks to hit number one, “BAD” took six weeks etc.

The week MJ debuted at #37 was stellar - debuting at #37 was absolutely amazing and rare.
Once the stores got fully stocked with the singles, it blasted up to #16.
Again, an almost unprecedented move back then.

How the hell did The Beatles have two songs debut at #10 in the 1960’s and another debut at #6 in 1970? LOL. I didn’t find that out until today. That’s incredible. I thought MJ would’ve scored the same feat. during his ‘80’s peak.

Different chart era and buying methods presumably in the ‘60’s compared to the ‘80’s.